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yOngKIN
Profile Joined May 2012
Korea (North)656 Posts
February 16 2013 17:10 GMT
#1
A recent Reuters report detailed how the North Korean government, despite being under a US and UN embargo and despite not having any external economic relations with other countries, is surviving and continues to get money flowing in to fund the dictatorship government and its nuclear program.

The report details some mindboggling operation involving
1. shady insurance transactions
2. illicit drugs
3. financial scams

Most of the times, the NK government uses its diplomats to conduct its operations, avoiding the blacklist and outwitting international sanctions for decades.

There seems to be a big security and intelligence problem on the part of the US and the UN. This might be one of the reason why the north Korean government is emboldened to do its nuclear programs, since its been literally outfoxing the international police at something that it is supposed to be good at.



North Korea uses cash couriers, false names to outwit sanctions

(Reuters) - Kim Kwang-jin says that when he worked for North Korea's state insurance company in Singapore in 2003, he stuffed $20 million into two suitcases one day and sent it to Pyongyang as a special gift for then leader Kim Jong-il.

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He received a medal for that, Kim Kwang-jin said.

North Korea, sanctioned by the United States since the 1950s and later by the United Nations after its nuclear tests, has been shuffling money for decades from illicit drugs, arms and financial scams and is now more expert at hiding it to fund its weapons programs and its leaders' opulent lifestyles.

"There is tremendous difficulty identifying bank accounts," said a South Korean government source who is directly involved in yet another sanctions push in the U.N. Security Council after the North conducted a third nuclear test this week.

A source who has access to the top levels of government in both North Korea and China, its only major ally, told Reuters that Pyongyang was not afraid of sanctions and was considering two more nuclear tests and a rocket launch this year.

"It is confident agricultural and economic reforms will boost grain harvests this year, reducing its food reliance on China," said the source.

With limited trade and natural resources, Pyongyang's revenues are heavily reliant on money-making scams ranging from fake $100 bills to arms sales and drugs money, according to reports by the U.S. government. Some diplomats and officials call it "The Soprano State" after the U.S. television series.

In 2005, $25 million of the regime's cash was frozen at Macau-based Banco Delta Asia, which was designated a "primary money laundering concern" by the U.S. Treasury.

That case stands as practically the only public success in seizing funds from the isolated country that is now led by 30-year-old Kim Jong-un, the third of the Kim dynasty to rule.

The $25 million was released after protracted negotiations led by Kim Kye-gwan, the North's long-standing negotiator with the United States, and U.S. envoy Christopher Hill, officials present at the talks said.

Pyongyang has learned from that episode and buried its funds even deeper, said the South Korean official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

"The bank accounts are split up a lot," the official said, meaning the money is divided into small amounts so that a freeze on one account would not greatly affect the total.

The official has tried to identify North Korean funds for years and was involved in previous sanctions pushes, although he said that identifying accounts and transactions was near impossible because of the use of fake names.

THE INSURANCE SCAM

Kim Kwang-jin, now living as a defector in South Korea, said the $20 million sent to Kim Jong-il in 2003 came from insurance scams by Pyongyang's Korea National Insurance Corp (KNIC), which exaggerated claims from re-insurers and underwriters for events such as weather damage, ship and aircraft losses.

When contacted by Reuters by telephone and email, KNIC was not immediately available for comment.

Kim Kwang-jin said the money from the scams he participated in was funneled into what he termed North Korea's "royal court fund" - money for Kim Jong-il and his inner circle.

"Kim Jong-il sent a letter of thanks to the people in my company (KNIC). And some of us received presents like DVD players and blankets. I later got a medal too," said the 46-year-old.

Unlike oil-exporting Iran, which is heavily sanctioned by the United States and United Nations as well as others, North Korea's puny $50 billion economy produces few goods other than minerals and seafood sold to China. Its trade with China was put by Beijing at $5.7 billion in 2011.

The U.S. Treasury Department's Financial Crimes Enforcement Center estimated in 2005 that North Korea may earn as much as $500 million annually from counterfeiting, and another $100 million to $200 million annually from narcotics trafficking.

In just one known example of its role as a "narco-state", a North Korean ship was raided by the Australian navy in 2003 and found to be carrying $50 million worth of heroin, according to the government in Canberra.

Kim Kwang-jin, who defected in 2003 with his family in Singapore, estimated the Pyongyang "royal court" fund at $4.5 billion, of which $2 billion was inside North Korea, $2 billion overseas and a further $500 million in the underground economy of various countries. He said he derived the estimates from his experience as a senior officer handling funds for North Korea.

It was not possible to verify Kim's estimate, although other estimates made by defectors and academics are roughly similar.

The South Korean government source said that part of the new sanctions regime would include trying to intercept shipments of suitcases stuffed with cash to Pyongyang which enable North Korea to evade sanctions on banks.

'BULK CASH' METHOD

North Korea often uses its diplomats and other officials to ferry cash, according to Kim and other defectors and diplomats. This method, called "bulk cash", is largely untraceable.

U.S. diplomats said new sanctions against North Korea that the Security Council might consider could be to add more names to a U.N. blacklist and measures similar to those in place for Iran, which include a U.N. arms embargo, a variety of asset freezes and a ban on some banking relations.

In addition, "you can strengthen the provisions to do with enforcing embargoes, inspecting ships", said a senior U.N. diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Ship inspections have been a feature of the North Korean sanctions regime for a long time. Under a Security Council resolution, U.N. member states can inspect North Korean sea, air and land cargo, and seize and destroy any goods transported in violation of sanctions imposed for its nuclear tests.

North Korean ships have been inspected in India, Thailand, and the United Arab Emirates as well as on the high seas.

Another area where U.N. sanctions could be strengthened is enforcement, especially in China, diplomats say. U.N. experts who monitor sanctions violations have said Pyongyang regularly flouts the sanctions, sometimes by shipping banned goods such as weapons via China.

"If the Chinese would be willing to inspect half of what goes through Dalian harbor, that would be big," said George Lopez, a former U.N. North Korea sanctions monitor, now at the University of Notre Dame.

China's central bank and foreign ministry did not respond to requests for comment as it was the Lunar New Year holiday.

But the source with access to top officials in both countries said China would again support U.N. sanctions, although he declined to comment on what level of sanctions it would be willing to endorse.

"There will be new sanctions which will be harsh. China is likely to agree to it," he said, without elaborating.

He said however that Beijing would not cut food and fuel supplies to North Korea, a measure that it reportedly took after a previous nuclear test.

THE HONG KONG LINK

In January, the Security Council added a raft of companies to a list of sanctioned entities in response to North Korea's long-range rocket launch late last year, which violated a ban on Pyongyang from developing missile or nuclear technology.

These included a company called Leader (Hong Kong) International, listed with a Hong Kong address that was named as a subsidiary of Korea Mining Development Corp., the country's main arms dealer and exporter of ballistic missile technology, according to the U.S. Treasury.

Checks by Reuters journalists at multiple addresses associated with the company in China and Hong Kong turned up no direct trace of the company or its managers.

Corporate records show the Hong Kong address for a similarly named company, Leader (Hong Kong) International Trading Ltd, as the same as that listed in the U.N. report, although the office moved in 2007.

A Chinese public security branch office is situated at an address listed for that company's director in Dalian, about 300 km (185 miles) from the North Korean border.

"Companies and individuals are using different names. China may know, but wink at it," Kim, the defector, said.

(Additional reporting by Ju-min Park and Narae Kim in SEOUL; James Pomfret in GUANGDONG; Grace Li and Anne Marie Roantree in HONG KONG; Michael Martina in DALIAN; Paul Eckert in WASHINGTON; Michelle Nichols at the UNITED NATIONS and Benjamin Kang Lim in BEIJING; Writing by David Chance; Editing by Raju Gopalakrishnan, Claudia Parsons and Mark Bendeich)
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
February 16 2013 18:15 GMT
#2
Everytime I saw north korea in the title. I will just read.

Something embed into my mind
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Seldentar
Profile Joined May 2011
United States888 Posts
February 16 2013 18:22 GMT
#3
On February 17 2013 03:15 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
Everytime I saw north korea in the title. I will just read.

Something embed into my mind


Lol same I don't think I've ever ignored a north korea thread.
Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
February 16 2013 18:23 GMT
#4
Its not realy suprising.
What governments say and what governments do is not the same.
There is this embargo against iran, but iran is still doing business with manny western oil companys.
Think the same goes for north korea, business does not let itself be stopped by trivial things like international law and agreements.
Didnt googles ceo recently not visit north korea on a combined business/private trip?
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
February 16 2013 18:25 GMT
#5
Those sneaky bastards. You mean the US doesnt know shit about this?
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SamsungStar
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States912 Posts
February 16 2013 18:31 GMT
#6
How exactly did Kim Kwan-jin fit TWENTY million dollars into two suitcases? I think breaking the laws of physics is a much more interesting tidbit of news than anything about N. Korea.
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
February 16 2013 18:34 GMT
#7
On February 17 2013 03:31 SamsungStar wrote:
How exactly did Kim Kwan-jin fit TWENTY million dollars into two suitcases? I think breaking the laws of physics is a much more interesting tidbit of news than anything about N. Korea.

Suitcases come in all sizes, I would imagine.
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-16 18:38:42
February 16 2013 18:37 GMT
#8
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emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-16 18:42:22
February 16 2013 18:38 GMT
#9
On February 17 2013 03:31 SamsungStar wrote:
How exactly did Kim Kwan-jin fit TWENTY million dollars into two suitcases? I think breaking the laws of physics is a much more interesting tidbit of news than anything about N. Korea.


20 million dollars isn't actually much in terms of size and weight. Whenever they show a million dollars in a briefcase in a film, it never looks like it would in reality.

[image loading]

you are looking at about $50,000 right there. 2 full sized suitcases could easily hold 20million

also it could be in bonds rather than in bank notes, or in another currency where they have large denominations and a good exchange rate with US dollar.
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
[Agony]x90
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States853 Posts
February 16 2013 18:42 GMT
#10
They ought to just lift every embargo and just allow free trade to N. Korea. I'm sure they have commodities they can sell and the second foreign goods become legal in N. Korea, they'll want more. It's like a cultural take over!
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Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
February 16 2013 18:44 GMT
#11
I'm honestly not surprised that they use illegitimate means to get money, it's not like they're really bound by any international laws or anything...
OniGami
Profile Joined December 2011
Japan140 Posts
February 16 2013 18:47 GMT
#12
Oh wow. Government-initiated/sanctioned financial scam and money shuffling. This is like international diplomacy-level fraud.
物の哀れ
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
February 16 2013 18:47 GMT
#13
Sorry to ask a question which may seem stupid to a lot of people, but why exactly are there so many embargos on North Korea? I mean, they are kind of pushing Korea to do a few illegal activities to build up a better economy.
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zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
February 16 2013 18:49 GMT
#14
UN sanctions are about as useful as tits on a nun
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
February 16 2013 18:50 GMT
#15
On February 17 2013 02:10 yOngKIN wrote:
...how the North Korean government, despite being under a US and UN embargo and despite not having any external economic relations with other countries....

Does china actually care about an UN embargo? I whought NK and had a lot of economic relations, and there's supposed to be a "special economic area" (ofc I don't know if this is just a shiny name) near the chinese border of NK to improve trading?
SamsungStar
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States912 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-16 18:51:24
February 16 2013 18:51 GMT
#16
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 17 2013 03:38 emythrel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 03:31 SamsungStar wrote:
How exactly did Kim Kwan-jin fit TWENTY million dollars into two suitcases? I think breaking the laws of physics is a much more interesting tidbit of news than anything about N. Korea.


20 million dollars isn't actually much in terms of size and weight. Whenever they show a million dollars in a briefcase in a film, it never looks like it would in reality.

[image loading]

you are looking at about $50,000 right there. 2 full sized suitcases could easily hold 20million

also it could be in bonds rather than in bank notes, or in another currency where they have large denominations and a good exchange rate with US dollar.


Nah, I've checked before. You can only fit about $1.5 - $2 million in a normal suitcase. There is a huge diff between 2 million and $50K. Just look at the dimensions of a dollar and briefcase and do the math.

And considering the article went on to specifically say N. Korea's making money by doing hard currency transactions, I find it unlikely he was stuffing bonds or bank notes into his suitcase. Just look at the construction of the sentence. I highly doubt he would need to "stuff" bank notes or bonds seeing as it'd be one or two slips of paper. It's strongly implied that he stuffed hard currency in benjamins. And that means I call bs on this whole story.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11517 Posts
February 16 2013 18:55 GMT
#17
On February 17 2013 03:42 [Agony]x90 wrote:
They ought to just lift every embargo and just allow free trade to N. Korea. I'm sure they have commodities they can sell and the second foreign goods become legal in N. Korea, they'll want more. It's like a cultural take over!


You should take a look at some testimonies by people who escaped north korea from times where there were less embargoes. They had slave labor camps for political prisoners where they produced stuff for export in horrendous conditions (seriously, you can't imagine it if you don't read what those people have to say. Don't even dare to compare it to chinese factories, those are nothing in comparison). The money thus gained was usually invested in luxuries for the leading party elite. The general population never saw anything of that, of course.
FromShouri
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States862 Posts
February 16 2013 18:58 GMT
#18
On February 17 2013 03:51 SamsungStar wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 17 2013 03:38 emythrel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 03:31 SamsungStar wrote:
How exactly did Kim Kwan-jin fit TWENTY million dollars into two suitcases? I think breaking the laws of physics is a much more interesting tidbit of news than anything about N. Korea.


20 million dollars isn't actually much in terms of size and weight. Whenever they show a million dollars in a briefcase in a film, it never looks like it would in reality.

[image loading]

you are looking at about $50,000 right there. 2 full sized suitcases could easily hold 20million

also it could be in bonds rather than in bank notes, or in another currency where they have large denominations and a good exchange rate with US dollar.


Nah, I've checked before. You can only fit about $1.5 - $2 million in a normal suitcase. There is a huge diff between 2 million and $50K. Just look at the dimensions of a dollar and briefcase and do the math.

And considering the article went on to specifically say N. Korea's making money by doing hard currency transactions, I find it unlikely he was stuffing bonds or bank notes into his suitcase. Just look at the construction of the sentence. I highly doubt he would need to "stuff" bank notes or bonds seeing as it'd be one or two slips of paper. It's strongly implied that he stuffed hard currency in benjamins. And that means I call bs on this whole story.


Well it's a korean to english translation, it could be a type of big duffel bag because those are technically "suitcases" as well. You'll have to REALLY look at his sentence in korean...not english =D.
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SamsungStar
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States912 Posts
February 16 2013 19:02 GMT
#19
On February 17 2013 03:58 FromShouri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 03:51 SamsungStar wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 17 2013 03:38 emythrel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 03:31 SamsungStar wrote:
How exactly did Kim Kwan-jin fit TWENTY million dollars into two suitcases? I think breaking the laws of physics is a much more interesting tidbit of news than anything about N. Korea.


20 million dollars isn't actually much in terms of size and weight. Whenever they show a million dollars in a briefcase in a film, it never looks like it would in reality.

[image loading]

you are looking at about $50,000 right there. 2 full sized suitcases could easily hold 20million

also it could be in bonds rather than in bank notes, or in another currency where they have large denominations and a good exchange rate with US dollar.


Nah, I've checked before. You can only fit about $1.5 - $2 million in a normal suitcase. There is a huge diff between 2 million and $50K. Just look at the dimensions of a dollar and briefcase and do the math.

And considering the article went on to specifically say N. Korea's making money by doing hard currency transactions, I find it unlikely he was stuffing bonds or bank notes into his suitcase. Just look at the construction of the sentence. I highly doubt he would need to "stuff" bank notes or bonds seeing as it'd be one or two slips of paper. It's strongly implied that he stuffed hard currency in benjamins. And that means I call bs on this whole story.


Well it's a korean to english translation, it could be a type of big duffel bag because those are technically "suitcases" as well. You'll have to REALLY look at his sentence in korean...not english =D.


Ah okay, if it's a translation that makes more sense. He could get it done with duffel bags I'd imagine. Although how on earth would you hide that going through customs? o_0. LOL.
schimmetje
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands1104 Posts
February 16 2013 19:03 GMT
#20
On February 17 2013 03:50 Mafe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 02:10 yOngKIN wrote:
...how the North Korean government, despite being under a US and UN embargo and despite not having any external economic relations with other countries....

Does china actually care about an UN embargo? I whought NK and had a lot of economic relations, and there's supposed to be a "special economic area" (ofc I don't know if this is just a shiny name) near the chinese border of NK to improve trading?


The economic relations are somewhat one way though, NK's economy is tiny. And China has put down it's own sanctions at times, though it's hard to imagine NK really defying it's will on anything.

It's weird to me how, isolated as the country is, there's apparently another split in there with a ruling class savvy enough to apply such.. modern schemes. For those of you who hadn't read it yet, Sophie Schmidt's account of her trip touched on this as well, it's really quite fascinating.

But at the same time eh yeah, bad North Korea. Bad!
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