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On February 18 2013 07:59 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 07:53 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 07:49 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 07:38 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 07:35 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 07:02 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 06:54 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 05:46 Djzapz wrote:
Mine, mine!
December 23rd 2012, I got dumped by my gf, with whom I was (technically) engaged. We had been together for over 7 years. I was never given the impression that things were as bad as they were for her, she never displayed it. The night before, we went out and had a good time and then some. And suddenly, Dec 23rd, she coldly announces to me that we're done. Empty chair at the xmas party, family hadn't heard about it so they were cracking jokes and I didn't have to heart to tell them what had happened.
At no point did I feel like things were going downhill in any relevant way, so when she announced it to me I was still pretty convinced that I was marrying this girl and that I was going to live my whole life with her, and that she'd have my kids. I had our honeymoon planned. Needless to say, I didn't see that coming.
She wants to be friends and I can't handle that. She calls me and says she misses me, which plants seeds of hope in my tiny brain, but I know that I shouldn't count on that. You're better off cutting all ties with her if she's giving you hope (either intentionally or not). Talking from experience. I was in a similar situation. We weren't together for that long, but were equally serious. I've spent almost three years longing her, hopelessly, helping her deal with various problems. She's often given me hope, only to say we can't be together. She couldn't decide what she wanted to do with her life. Most times, girls feel this way if they're unsure of your "career prospects." Those sort of things make it really difficult for them to sort out their "feelings." Or, sometimes, they'll call you and tell you that when their current man fucked up and made reservations for a restaurant she didn't like or got her a present on V-Day that wasn't in her acceptable price range. Sometimes, booking a trip to Bali and not flying first class is reason enough. Once, me and a gf broke up and she found some really rich guy to "take care" of her afterwards. But two weeks into that, she came crawling back for the sex. Later, I found out she was still seeing this rich guy. She was just carrying on with me for the sex coz I had the "perfect penis size" for her. Her apartment-mate at the time told me all about it, including my ex's reasoning, because she was pissed off that my ex-gf was late paying the rent that month and never washed the dishes. When I asked said ex-gf about it, she broke down crying and said she loved both of us and couldn't decide, blah blah. Her heart was so torn, etc. I told her me and my perfect penis were going to find a new home. One we didn't have to share with an old, rich one. But, sometimes, late at night, I still wake up with a raging boner and a vivid image in my mind of her riding me reverse cowboy with that sweet, sweet ass. Those are the times when I wonder if I was a fool, and sharing with old, rich weewees might not have been so bad after all. That's probably what your ex is feeling right now. All the same, it's a cold situation to be put in by your fiancee. Sorry to hear it. I honestly doubt that was the case. I'm pretty sure the main reason why she left me was because my older brother, who did his best to destroy our relationship. That was his revenge for my telling our mother about his problems with drugs (who then told our father, who in turn made a huge mess out of the situation for a couple of weeks only to get into denial and pretend nothing had happened...). He blamed my fiancee for this for some reason. He started to spread some horrible rumours about us, mostly her, in our neighbourhood and my family, caused huge arguments about her on a daily basis, and such. Do you live at home with your family? I do, why? Coz if you had money and were living on your own, then the problem you just described would not have happened. I'm not sure how old you are, but at my age (27), it's pretty much mandatory for you to have your own place, or at least share it with other flat-mates. If you're still at home with your fam, chances of a proper relationship = 0. Girls want a guy with at least enough money to move out of the house. The girl might not consciously think it's about money. She might think it's family complications, etc etc. But if you were a billionaire and had your own mansion, all of her doubts would disappear in an instant. Was 20 at the time, first semester at the university. Over here, university is like a full-time job if you're taking it seriously. There's no time for a job, and I'm living in the city where my university is situated, so moving out was out of the question (unless I'd wanted to give up on higher education, but that would've been completely unreasonable) - my parents straight up told me they're not going to support me financially if I move out (why would they pay for my rent if I can live at home?). I also think you are entirely wrong as regards the money issue. You're just bitter, no offence. I've moved on, but I still consider her a wonderful person. She's definitely not after money and she can take care of herself in that regard (actually a bit obsessed with being financially independent).
Wait.... so you were in a relationship with her from 13-20? Ok, it is starting to make sense. The changes in a person from that age is crazy and she is probably one of those girls that is wanting to try other men.
EDIT: No need to attack him because you were missing out on so many important details on the story.
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On February 18 2013 08:05 Shelke14 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 07:59 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 07:53 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 07:49 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 07:38 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 07:35 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 07:02 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 06:54 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 05:46 Djzapz wrote:
Mine, mine!
December 23rd 2012, I got dumped by my gf, with whom I was (technically) engaged. We had been together for over 7 years. I was never given the impression that things were as bad as they were for her, she never displayed it. The night before, we went out and had a good time and then some. And suddenly, Dec 23rd, she coldly announces to me that we're done. Empty chair at the xmas party, family hadn't heard about it so they were cracking jokes and I didn't have to heart to tell them what had happened.
At no point did I feel like things were going downhill in any relevant way, so when she announced it to me I was still pretty convinced that I was marrying this girl and that I was going to live my whole life with her, and that she'd have my kids. I had our honeymoon planned. Needless to say, I didn't see that coming.
She wants to be friends and I can't handle that. She calls me and says she misses me, which plants seeds of hope in my tiny brain, but I know that I shouldn't count on that. You're better off cutting all ties with her if she's giving you hope (either intentionally or not). Talking from experience. I was in a similar situation. We weren't together for that long, but were equally serious. I've spent almost three years longing her, hopelessly, helping her deal with various problems. She's often given me hope, only to say we can't be together. She couldn't decide what she wanted to do with her life. Most times, girls feel this way if they're unsure of your "career prospects." Those sort of things make it really difficult for them to sort out their "feelings." Or, sometimes, they'll call you and tell you that when their current man fucked up and made reservations for a restaurant she didn't like or got her a present on V-Day that wasn't in her acceptable price range. Sometimes, booking a trip to Bali and not flying first class is reason enough. Once, me and a gf broke up and she found some really rich guy to "take care" of her afterwards. But two weeks into that, she came crawling back for the sex. Later, I found out she was still seeing this rich guy. She was just carrying on with me for the sex coz I had the "perfect penis size" for her. Her apartment-mate at the time told me all about it, including my ex's reasoning, because she was pissed off that my ex-gf was late paying the rent that month and never washed the dishes. When I asked said ex-gf about it, she broke down crying and said she loved both of us and couldn't decide, blah blah. Her heart was so torn, etc. I told her me and my perfect penis were going to find a new home. One we didn't have to share with an old, rich one. But, sometimes, late at night, I still wake up with a raging boner and a vivid image in my mind of her riding me reverse cowboy with that sweet, sweet ass. Those are the times when I wonder if I was a fool, and sharing with old, rich weewees might not have been so bad after all. That's probably what your ex is feeling right now. All the same, it's a cold situation to be put in by your fiancee. Sorry to hear it. I honestly doubt that was the case. I'm pretty sure the main reason why she left me was because my older brother, who did his best to destroy our relationship. That was his revenge for my telling our mother about his problems with drugs (who then told our father, who in turn made a huge mess out of the situation for a couple of weeks only to get into denial and pretend nothing had happened...). He blamed my fiancee for this for some reason. He started to spread some horrible rumours about us, mostly her, in our neighbourhood and my family, caused huge arguments about her on a daily basis, and such. Do you live at home with your family? I do, why? Coz if you had money and were living on your own, then the problem you just described would not have happened. I'm not sure how old you are, but at my age (27), it's pretty much mandatory for you to have your own place, or at least share it with other flat-mates. If you're still at home with your fam, chances of a proper relationship = 0. Girls want a guy with at least enough money to move out of the house. The girl might not consciously think it's about money. She might think it's family complications, etc etc. But if you were a billionaire and had your own mansion, all of her doubts would disappear in an instant. Was 20 at the time, first semester at the university. Over here, university is like a full-time job if you're taking it seriously. There's no time for a job, and I'm living in the city where my university is situated, so moving out was out of the question (unless I'd wanted to give up on higher education, but that would've been completely unreasonable) - my parents straight up told me they're not going to support me financially if I move out (why would they pay for my rent if I can live at home?). I also think you are entirely wrong as regards the money issue. You're just bitter, no offence. I've moved on, but I still consider her a wonderful person. She's definitely not after money and she can take care of herself in that regard (actually a bit obsessed with being financially independent). Wait.... so you were in a relationship with her from 13-20? Ok, it is starting to make sense. The changes in a person from that age is crazy and she is probably one of those girls that is wanting to try other men. EDIT: No need to attack him because you were missing out on so many important details on the story.
No, I was not. It wasn't me who was talking about 7 years long relationship. I said I was in a similar situation, not in the exact same situation (I think you just confused me with the guy whose post I replied to). I only tried to give my honest advise (that maintaining that hope, when she's giving you glimpses of it, is not worth it), didn't really want to share my story because it's complicated and too personal.
It was also not my intention to attack anyone. It's just that SamsungStar's attitude and view on women is too cynical due to the fact he was hurt and used by a bad person. I think he needs to realize that not all women are like what he describes. I know plenty of women who are not like that, who have stable, healthy relationships with guys who aren't exactly CEO's. Maybe it's because the second wave of feminism hasn't really gotten to Poland yet.
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On February 18 2013 08:01 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 04:21 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. It extends its belly because it wants to be rubbed but once you do it bites you. When you're alone with it, it shows great affection purring contently and kneading its head against your chest but as soon as somebody else walks in its best friends with him. And when you want to play with it it runs away but when you're fucking busy it shows up out of nowhere and starts rubbing against your legs and purring.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I truly believe that most girls (especially of the 25 and under variety) are like cats. The only real solution that I've found is trying to build a great life with girls being only a tiny part of the equation. Girls come and go and maybe a real special one will pop up two or three times in a lifetime. What I'm trying to say is, I think I want a dog. Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her. /facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process. Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story. Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc. Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system. This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men. You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again. Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments. And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up.
I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It's always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part.
Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you.
I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle.
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On February 18 2013 08:18 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 08:05 Shelke14 wrote:On February 18 2013 07:59 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 07:53 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 07:49 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 07:38 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 07:35 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 07:02 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 06:54 maybenexttime wrote:On February 18 2013 05:46 Djzapz wrote:
Mine, mine!
December 23rd 2012, I got dumped by my gf, with whom I was (technically) engaged. We had been together for over 7 years. I was never given the impression that things were as bad as they were for her, she never displayed it. The night before, we went out and had a good time and then some. And suddenly, Dec 23rd, she coldly announces to me that we're done. Empty chair at the xmas party, family hadn't heard about it so they were cracking jokes and I didn't have to heart to tell them what had happened.
At no point did I feel like things were going downhill in any relevant way, so when she announced it to me I was still pretty convinced that I was marrying this girl and that I was going to live my whole life with her, and that she'd have my kids. I had our honeymoon planned. Needless to say, I didn't see that coming.
She wants to be friends and I can't handle that. She calls me and says she misses me, which plants seeds of hope in my tiny brain, but I know that I shouldn't count on that. You're better off cutting all ties with her if she's giving you hope (either intentionally or not). Talking from experience. I was in a similar situation. We weren't together for that long, but were equally serious. I've spent almost three years longing her, hopelessly, helping her deal with various problems. She's often given me hope, only to say we can't be together. She couldn't decide what she wanted to do with her life. Most times, girls feel this way if they're unsure of your "career prospects." Those sort of things make it really difficult for them to sort out their "feelings." Or, sometimes, they'll call you and tell you that when their current man fucked up and made reservations for a restaurant she didn't like or got her a present on V-Day that wasn't in her acceptable price range. Sometimes, booking a trip to Bali and not flying first class is reason enough. Once, me and a gf broke up and she found some really rich guy to "take care" of her afterwards. But two weeks into that, she came crawling back for the sex. Later, I found out she was still seeing this rich guy. She was just carrying on with me for the sex coz I had the "perfect penis size" for her. Her apartment-mate at the time told me all about it, including my ex's reasoning, because she was pissed off that my ex-gf was late paying the rent that month and never washed the dishes. When I asked said ex-gf about it, she broke down crying and said she loved both of us and couldn't decide, blah blah. Her heart was so torn, etc. I told her me and my perfect penis were going to find a new home. One we didn't have to share with an old, rich one. But, sometimes, late at night, I still wake up with a raging boner and a vivid image in my mind of her riding me reverse cowboy with that sweet, sweet ass. Those are the times when I wonder if I was a fool, and sharing with old, rich weewees might not have been so bad after all. That's probably what your ex is feeling right now. All the same, it's a cold situation to be put in by your fiancee. Sorry to hear it. I honestly doubt that was the case. I'm pretty sure the main reason why she left me was because my older brother, who did his best to destroy our relationship. That was his revenge for my telling our mother about his problems with drugs (who then told our father, who in turn made a huge mess out of the situation for a couple of weeks only to get into denial and pretend nothing had happened...). He blamed my fiancee for this for some reason. He started to spread some horrible rumours about us, mostly her, in our neighbourhood and my family, caused huge arguments about her on a daily basis, and such. Do you live at home with your family? I do, why? Coz if you had money and were living on your own, then the problem you just described would not have happened. I'm not sure how old you are, but at my age (27), it's pretty much mandatory for you to have your own place, or at least share it with other flat-mates. If you're still at home with your fam, chances of a proper relationship = 0. Girls want a guy with at least enough money to move out of the house. The girl might not consciously think it's about money. She might think it's family complications, etc etc. But if you were a billionaire and had your own mansion, all of her doubts would disappear in an instant. Was 20 at the time, first semester at the university. Over here, university is like a full-time job if you're taking it seriously. There's no time for a job, and I'm living in the city where my university is situated, so moving out was out of the question (unless I'd wanted to give up on higher education, but that would've been completely unreasonable) - my parents straight up told me they're not going to support me financially if I move out (why would they pay for my rent if I can live at home?). I also think you are entirely wrong as regards the money issue. You're just bitter, no offence. I've moved on, but I still consider her a wonderful person. She's definitely not after money and she can take care of herself in that regard (actually a bit obsessed with being financially independent). Wait.... so you were in a relationship with her from 13-20? Ok, it is starting to make sense. The changes in a person from that age is crazy and she is probably one of those girls that is wanting to try other men. EDIT: No need to attack him because you were missing out on so many important details on the story. No, I was not. It wasn't me who was talking about 7 years long relationship. I said I was in a similar situation, not in the exact same situation (I think you just confused me with the guy whose post I replied to). I only tried to give my honest advise (that maintaining that hope, when she's giving you glimpses of it, is not worth it), didn't really want to share my story because it's complicated and too personal. It was also not my intention to attack anyone. It's just that SamsungStar's attitude and view on women is too cynical due to the fact he was hurt and used by a bad person. I think he needs to realize that not all women are like what he describes. I know plenty of women who are not like that, who have stable, healthy relationships with guys who aren't exactly CEO's. Maybe it's because the second wave of feminism hasn't really gotten to Poland yet.
Hey, my bad man. I'm not trying to tell you what she was doing. I didn't mean to come off that way. Because I don't know her or you well enough to claim with any confidence what's going on. I'm just saying in general the types of problems you described boil down to money problems. Family approval becomes irrelevant when you've got money and your own house.
Honestly not claiming your ex was some massive gold-digger. But there is a baseline most any woman will demand when it comes to her man, and that baseline has to do with money. And yeah, I can't speak at all for Poland. Every country's dating scene is different.
My attitude isn't based on ONE person though, far from it LOL.
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It might be a matter of staying in the right/wrong environment, I dunno. I know there are sluts and gold-diggers out there, but I haven't really met many, probably a few, actually. Most women I know have stable, long lasting relationships. On top of that, three of my best friends are females.
Anyway, on topic: one of my friends from high school dumped his girlfriend on her birthday. He didn't think it was that big of a deal, he wasn't that attached to her. He later told me that now he thinks this was a horrible thing to do, and he didn't treat girls right because one girl he was really fond of played with him and hurt him badly.
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haha! you are right! It was the wrong person.. fuck, sorry. My bad!
Dumping on birthday..... thats is fucked up. My buddy just dumped his gf of 5 years on V-day.
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On February 16 2013 22:05 Gesamtkunstwerk wrote:
This is actually tame compared to what a friend did.
She was in a long distance relationship for 5 years with a French guy. On their fifth year, he told her he would fly in to the US and leave work for a month to be with her. But weeks before, she had been telling me and her close friends she wanted out, that there is no more excitement. We told her to tell him immediately, but she couldn't.
Next thing we know, the guy was here, a day before their anniversary. He came with an engagement ring and tickets for them to travel together and all for a month. Only to be dumped. My heart bled for the guy. But such is life. Love is never fair.
A long distance relationship for 5 years? That guy was crazy for thinking the girl actually cared about him :/
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SamsungStar's attitude doesn't strike me as helpful. One woman hurt him, but why should that experience matter?
Also: "there are sluts and gold diggers out there" -- women don't put up performances for years just to 'steal your gold' without you noticing. If you attract these women maybe that says something negative about your attitude towards them.
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On one wintery, cold, snowy Ohio night I was over at my good friend Brandon's house. Brandon had a girlfriend by the name of Stephani and ever since the beginning of this relationship I already knew it was going to end bad! On this cold Ohio night we were doing the usual and hanging out, playing video games, etc (what college students do) when all of a sudden Stephani burst into the front door telling Brandon that they needed to talk. Being good friends that we all were and wanting them to have privacy we went next door to another friend of mines house named Matt. When we got to Matt's house not but 2 minutes later all we hear is yelling and screaming coming from Brandon and Stephani so we are all peaking out of the windows trying to check out what is going on. All of a sudden we see the light's to the back door come on and Stephani getting escorted out of it. Once she was outside she literally sat down in the snow crying and screaming for an hour about how she will be a better girl friend, etc, etc. Brandon was a smart man for getting out of the relationship. But what a terrible way to go 
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This thread is sad as shit.
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On February 18 2013 09:14 Grumbels wrote:
SamsungStar's attitude doesn't strike me as helpful. One woman hurt him, but why should that experience matter?
Also: "there are sluts and gold diggers out there" -- women don't put up performances for years just to 'steal your gold' without you noticing. If you attract these women maybe that says something negative about your attitude towards them.
What gave you the impression that it was one Grumbels? It is LEGIONS of wimmenz who have made me this way.
To nexttime: Yeah, I think you are in a much better location for dating than I am. E. Europe is def a better place for finding girls who want stable secure relationships and settling down than America, especially in the big cities. And especially in the mid to late twenties... Most of the girls who want to get married already have. What's left are girls out of college, with jobs, and not much desire for relationships at all. Especially the good looking ones, because if they had wanted to get married they would have been long time ago.
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On February 18 2013 07:13 SamsungStar wrote:
Pining does not mean adultery. It means thinking of someone, longing for them, and NOT consummating your feelings, as in NOT cheating on your wife and just giving up your feelings for another person.
In general, your entire rebuttal was off-topic because you didn't understand what I was saying. I've already rebutted your 2nd point, so I might as well rebut your other two now.
Oh I looked it up on the dictionnary and learned a new word! I thought it was the same as "pinning" with two "n".
On February 18 2013 07:13 SamsungStar wrote:
1st point: You can't form an opinion until you've been in that situation.
False: It is quite easy for humans to form opinions without being placed in the exact same situation. For instance, I am not a father. I have never raised a child. But I do know leaving your kid in a car for 4 hours while you go in a hotel room to have an affair is wrong.
By your logic, I would be unable to judge a man who did such a thing because I have never been a father. Do you see how idiotic this rationale is?
No, my point here is that you shouldn't so harshly condemn someone who lives a situation you can't begin to understand. People judge all the time, but there's a whole world between saying that you disagree, and boast about your inexistant courage. How can you say what you would do in such a situation with such assurance if you're that far from getting there? : )
It's like giving somalians lessons on how to be successful at life.
On February 18 2013 07:13 SamsungStar wrote:
3rd point: Love and hope blah blah
Love is a subjective term. It means different things to everyone. Therefore, it is not something you can claim society is built on, seeing as its an abstract term. Also, it's just complete horse shit. Humans banded together to form civilizations for the purposes of resource sharing, economies of scale, mutual protection, and division of labor. They did not do so for the sake of singing Kumbayah and making kissy face.
Hope suffers due to the same fundamental issues as love. Gambling is an activity based on hope. Affairs are based on hope. Armed robberies are based on hope. Mass genocide of the Jews was based on hope. EVERYTHING is based on hope, because hope in the way you're using it is merely expectation or motivation based on future benefit. In essence, a completely nonsensical form of valuation.
Love is a subjective term... well, in that case this could be applied to any loosely defined concept like freedom, hope, or... righteousness. Besides, the possibility of exactitude has been shaken by Nietzsche questioning of the cogito, by the analytical anglo-saxon current (and the difficulty to define the term "art" for example, making it an open concept) or even by Caillois' definition of games, but before that I think that we can both agree that we're speaking on layman terms anyway.
But if we qualify love as the attachement and empathy we feel in varying degrees towards those we qualify as "our own", it does make sense. Why did humans band together? Why did they form societies? Why did they form groups? Why do we dislike seeing other entities being hurt, why do we protect each other? What urges us to regroup and reproduce? Love. You speak of mutual protection, which is direct consequence. If we had no such feelings, there would be no need to protect each other in the first place. Reason does not intervene until late in our history.
We reproduce, band together and look out for each other because we feel the urge to, not because we have thought about the outcome.
Also, yes, everything is based on hope, that was my point! In love and hope resides the driving mechanism of life itself, wether the outcome is "good" or "bad".
On February 18 2013 07:13 SamsungStar wrote:
4th point: Cake Icing
Pragmatism does not preclude the notion of a soul. Pragmatism is basing decisions on rational, definable, quantifiable benefits to a reasonable degree. And yes, your conscience, your mental health, your sense of moral rectitude, those are tangible, quantifiable benefits. Absolutely ludicrous you would try to claim pragmatism excludes any consideration for these aspects of health and well-being.
In summary, your argument was poorly conceived.
Ethics and metaphysics are quantifiable... whoah, that's a philosophical revolution right there.
But hey, my pragmatic friend, can you provide me with a provable and tangible definition of what a "soul" is?
On February 18 2013 09:57 SamsungStar wrote:
What gave you the impression that it was one Grumbels? It is LEGIONS of wimmenz who have made me this way.
Come on man, you're not kidding anyone. :p
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On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 08:01 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 04:21 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. It extends its belly because it wants to be rubbed but once you do it bites you. When you're alone with it, it shows great affection purring contently and kneading its head against your chest but as soon as somebody else walks in its best friends with him. And when you want to play with it it runs away but when you're fucking busy it shows up out of nowhere and starts rubbing against your legs and purring.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I truly believe that most girls (especially of the 25 and under variety) are like cats. The only real solution that I've found is trying to build a great life with girls being only a tiny part of the equation. Girls come and go and maybe a real special one will pop up two or three times in a lifetime. What I'm trying to say is, I think I want a dog. Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her. /facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process. Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story. Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc. Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system. This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men. You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again. Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments. And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up. I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part. Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you. I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle.
So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages?
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On February 18 2013 10:01 Kukaracha wrote:
But hey, my pragmatic friend, can you provide me with a provable and tangible definition of what a "soul" is?
Here you go:
+ Show Spoiler +
On the old runaway woman, I really think there were better ways she could have gone about it rather than to suddenly dump her family without any warning after 30 years to run off with a childhood lover. Do I think she absolutely should not have left? No. I can't say that because Micro didn't provide enough background details. But I can say she should not have left like THAT. See what I'm getting at? It's the manner in which she did it that's fucked up.
On love and hope in human societies, you seem to have missed quite a number of lessons on how human civilization began. I'll give you a hint: it had more to do with agriculture than attraction.
And honestly, did you just try to claim pacts of mutual defense are based on love? ....
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On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 08:01 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 04:21 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. It extends its belly because it wants to be rubbed but once you do it bites you. When you're alone with it, it shows great affection purring contently and kneading its head against your chest but as soon as somebody else walks in its best friends with him. And when you want to play with it it runs away but when you're fucking busy it shows up out of nowhere and starts rubbing against your legs and purring.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I truly believe that most girls (especially of the 25 and under variety) are like cats. The only real solution that I've found is trying to build a great life with girls being only a tiny part of the equation. Girls come and go and maybe a real special one will pop up two or three times in a lifetime. What I'm trying to say is, I think I want a dog. Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her. /facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process. Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story. Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc. Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system. This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men. You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again. Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments. And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up. I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part. Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you. I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle. So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages?
Yes! Precisely! And we need to immediately counterattack before this epidemic spreads any further.
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On February 18 2013 09:49 haduken wrote:
This thread is sad as shit.
i Second this and add as bull.
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I've just finished reading through the entire thread and god damn it, it was demoralizing and depressing (entertaining nonetheless). I'm a long time TL lurker and I usually just get shits and giggles out of blogs and threads like this one but today I actually feel the need to voice my opinion:
SamsungStar is on the fucking money - I absolutely agree with everything he has said.
As tribute to his straight shooting wisdom, I have broken the golden rule of forum lurking to vouch for his advice. Would recommend his advice to anyone/10
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On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 08:01 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 04:21 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. It extends its belly because it wants to be rubbed but once you do it bites you. When you're alone with it, it shows great affection purring contently and kneading its head against your chest but as soon as somebody else walks in its best friends with him. And when you want to play with it it runs away but when you're fucking busy it shows up out of nowhere and starts rubbing against your legs and purring.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I truly believe that most girls (especially of the 25 and under variety) are like cats. The only real solution that I've found is trying to build a great life with girls being only a tiny part of the equation. Girls come and go and maybe a real special one will pop up two or three times in a lifetime. What I'm trying to say is, I think I want a dog. Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her. /facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process. Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story. Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc. Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system. This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men. You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again. Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments. And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up. I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part. Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you. I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle. So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages?
Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ?
And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance.
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On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 08:01 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 04:21 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. It extends its belly because it wants to be rubbed but once you do it bites you. When you're alone with it, it shows great affection purring contently and kneading its head against your chest but as soon as somebody else walks in its best friends with him. And when you want to play with it it runs away but when you're fucking busy it shows up out of nowhere and starts rubbing against your legs and purring.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I truly believe that most girls (especially of the 25 and under variety) are like cats. The only real solution that I've found is trying to build a great life with girls being only a tiny part of the equation. Girls come and go and maybe a real special one will pop up two or three times in a lifetime. What I'm trying to say is, I think I want a dog. Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her. /facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process. Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story. Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc. Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system. This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men. You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again. Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments. And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up. I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part. Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you. I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle. So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages? Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ? And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance.
I don't understand your terran comment.
But my point is that women are just doing to men what men have done to women for ages. Yay equality!
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On February 18 2013 10:25 ControlMonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 08:01 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 04:21 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. It extends its belly because it wants to be rubbed but once you do it bites you. When you're alone with it, it shows great affection purring contently and kneading its head against your chest but as soon as somebody else walks in its best friends with him. And when you want to play with it it runs away but when you're fucking busy it shows up out of nowhere and starts rubbing against your legs and purring.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I truly believe that most girls (especially of the 25 and under variety) are like cats. The only real solution that I've found is trying to build a great life with girls being only a tiny part of the equation. Girls come and go and maybe a real special one will pop up two or three times in a lifetime. What I'm trying to say is, I think I want a dog. Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her. /facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process. Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story. Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc. Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system. This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men. You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again. Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments. And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up. I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part. Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you. I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle. So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages? Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ? And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance. I don't understand your terran comment. But my point is that women are just doing to men what men have done to women for ages. Yay equality!
His terran comment makes sense. He's saying you can't justify favoritism towards one group today by saying the opposing group had it good in the past. AKA Terran was good in patch 1, now it's patch 10 but we don't need to buff T coz they used to be strong. That's not equality. That's revenge.
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