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On February 18 2013 10:07 SamsungStar wrote:
On the old runaway woman, I really think there were better ways she could have gone about it rather than to suddenly dump her family without any warning after 30 years to run off with a childhood lover. Do I think she absolutely should not have left? No. I can't say that because Micro didn't provide enough background details. But I can say she should not have left like THAT. See what I'm getting at? It's the manner in which she did it that's fucked up.
Oh it's bad, we agree on that.
On February 18 2013 10:07 SamsungStar wrote:
On love and hope in human societies, you seem to have missed quite a number of lessons on how human civilization began. I'll give you a hint: it had more to do with agriculture than attraction.
And honestly, did you just try to claim pacts of mutual defense are based on love? ....
We're talking about something that precedes civilization, we're talking about life as pluricellular beings. There is no civilization to begin with without instincts of preservation and reproduction.
But are you implying that ants or monkeys have made rational pacts of mutual defense?
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On February 18 2013 10:30 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:07 SamsungStar wrote:
On the old runaway woman, I really think there were better ways she could have gone about it rather than to suddenly dump her family without any warning after 30 years to run off with a childhood lover. Do I think she absolutely should not have left? No. I can't say that because Micro didn't provide enough background details. But I can say she should not have left like THAT. See what I'm getting at? It's the manner in which she did it that's fucked up. Oh it's bad, we agree on that. Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:07 SamsungStar wrote:
On love and hope in human societies, you seem to have missed quite a number of lessons on how human civilization began. I'll give you a hint: it had more to do with agriculture than attraction.
And honestly, did you just try to claim pacts of mutual defense are based on love? .... We're talking about something that precedes civilization, we're talking about life as pluricellular beings. There is no civilization to begin with without instincts of preservation and reproduction. But are you implying that ants or monkeys have made rational pacts of mutual defense?
What are you trying to argue? Ants operate based on hope and love? And no, you never established anyone was talking about something as silly as all multi-cellular beings operate based on hope and love. And if you are, you really should open a new thread as that has nothing to do with anything.
To Maggle: Thanks for the words of support! Just trying to tell it like I see it.
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On February 18 2013 10:36 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:30 Kukaracha wrote:On February 18 2013 10:07 SamsungStar wrote:
On the old runaway woman, I really think there were better ways she could have gone about it rather than to suddenly dump her family without any warning after 30 years to run off with a childhood lover. Do I think she absolutely should not have left? No. I can't say that because Micro didn't provide enough background details. But I can say she should not have left like THAT. See what I'm getting at? It's the manner in which she did it that's fucked up. Oh it's bad, we agree on that. On February 18 2013 10:07 SamsungStar wrote:
On love and hope in human societies, you seem to have missed quite a number of lessons on how human civilization began. I'll give you a hint: it had more to do with agriculture than attraction.
And honestly, did you just try to claim pacts of mutual defense are based on love? .... We're talking about something that precedes civilization, we're talking about life as pluricellular beings. There is no civilization to begin with without instincts of preservation and reproduction. But are you implying that ants or monkeys have made rational pacts of mutual defense? What are you trying to argue? Ants operate based on hope and love?
Hope and love are just sophistications of our most essential instincts. Ants have a natural tendency to always live on, and to always protect their own and reproduce their species. It's as simple as that. We simply function on a complexified version of these basic feelings, and there lies the beauty of love.
To claim that love is vain is to claim that life is vain (but it is an interesting path nonetheless, if anyone would enjoy the depressive writings of Schopenhauer or "Schopy").
On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:
Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ?
Let me put it this way : if Terran were overpowered, and Protoss underpowered, then today the game is somewhat balanced in the western sphere. You're ranting because suddenly Protoss are able to harass too. It seems okay to me, as long as both races have the ability to do so!
But seriously, I've travelled quite a bit (and to the US too), and the only country where I've found males complaining to be "victimized" by females is... on the internet. On geeky websites. Anywhere else - among my friends, at work, at university, in France, in Chile, in Spain - people don't seem to have that problem.
Don't know, I guess it just doesn't lead me to the same conclusions...?
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gf of 2 years cheated on me with my best friend while i was in training for a year with the Army... needless to say, 2ruff of a breakup
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On February 18 2013 10:43 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:36 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:30 Kukaracha wrote:On February 18 2013 10:07 SamsungStar wrote:
On the old runaway woman, I really think there were better ways she could have gone about it rather than to suddenly dump her family without any warning after 30 years to run off with a childhood lover. Do I think she absolutely should not have left? No. I can't say that because Micro didn't provide enough background details. But I can say she should not have left like THAT. See what I'm getting at? It's the manner in which she did it that's fucked up. Oh it's bad, we agree on that. On February 18 2013 10:07 SamsungStar wrote:
On love and hope in human societies, you seem to have missed quite a number of lessons on how human civilization began. I'll give you a hint: it had more to do with agriculture than attraction.
And honestly, did you just try to claim pacts of mutual defense are based on love? .... We're talking about something that precedes civilization, we're talking about life as pluricellular beings. There is no civilization to begin with without instincts of preservation and reproduction. But are you implying that ants or monkeys have made rational pacts of mutual defense? What are you trying to argue? Ants operate based on hope and love? Hope and love are just sophistications of our most essential instincts. Ants have a natural tendency to always live on, and to always protect their own and reproduce their species. It's as simple as that. We simply function on a complexified version of these basic feelings, and there lies the beauty of love. To claim that love is vain is to claim that life is vain (but it is an interesting path nonetheless, if anyone would enjoy the depressive writings of Schopenhauer or "Schopy"). Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:
Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ?
Let me put it this way : if Terran were overpowered, and Protoss underpowered, then today the game is somewhat balanced in the western sphere. You're ranting because suddenly Protoss are able to harass too. It seems okay to me, as long as both races have the ability to do so! But seriously, I've travelled quite a bit (and to the US too), and the only country where I've found males complaining to be "victimized" by females is... on the internet. On geeky websites. Anywhere else - among my friends, at work, at university, in France, in Chile, in Spain - people don't seem to have that problem. Don't know, I guess it just doesn't lead me to the same conclusions...?
You're espousing a theory, and a rather radical one at that. It's far from a proven fact. I can't believe you're seriously trying to claim love is a proven evolutionary mechanism. There are some pretty solid theories in biology concerning sexual attraction and emotional attachment, but LOVE? Just no.
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On February 18 2013 10:28 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:25 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 08:01 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 04:21 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. It extends its belly because it wants to be rubbed but once you do it bites you. When you're alone with it, it shows great affection purring contently and kneading its head against your chest but as soon as somebody else walks in its best friends with him. And when you want to play with it it runs away but when you're fucking busy it shows up out of nowhere and starts rubbing against your legs and purring.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I truly believe that most girls (especially of the 25 and under variety) are like cats. The only real solution that I've found is trying to build a great life with girls being only a tiny part of the equation. Girls come and go and maybe a real special one will pop up two or three times in a lifetime. What I'm trying to say is, I think I want a dog. Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her. /facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process. Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story. Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc. Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system. This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men. You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again. Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments. And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up. I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part. Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you. I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle. So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages? Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ? And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance. I don't understand your terran comment. But my point is that women are just doing to men what men have done to women for ages. Yay equality! His terran comment makes sense. He's saying you can't justify favoritism towards one group today by saying the opposing group had it good in the past. AKA Terran was good in patch 1, now it's patch 10 but we don't need to buff T coz they used to be strong. That's not equality. That's revenge.
I'm not saying that women have the right to treat men like shit, I'm saying that men also treat women like shit, and have done so for ages. There is no favouritism to either group, only acknowledgement that both groups are in the wrong.
In the same way that women of my parents' generation had to learn how to find out early in a relationship if the guy was a dick, guys now need to find out early in a relationship if a girl is a bitch.
If you want to engage in gender wars, go ahead. I'd rather find a like minded woman to settle down with.
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On February 18 2013 10:52 ControlMonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:28 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:25 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 08:01 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 04:21 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 03:38 lannisport wrote:
This is the most depressing thread on TL. I think that men are like dogs-- they're kind of stupid sometimes, very predictable but fiercely loyal. You know what to expect from them and you understand why they go about humping this or that because they do it for obvious clear cut reasons. Girls on the other hand are more like cats-- At times aloof, not very loyal and very unpredictable. It extends its belly because it wants to be rubbed but once you do it bites you. When you're alone with it, it shows great affection purring contently and kneading its head against your chest but as soon as somebody else walks in its best friends with him. And when you want to play with it it runs away but when you're fucking busy it shows up out of nowhere and starts rubbing against your legs and purring.
Maybe I'm a bit cynical but I truly believe that most girls (especially of the 25 and under variety) are like cats. The only real solution that I've found is trying to build a great life with girls being only a tiny part of the equation. Girls come and go and maybe a real special one will pop up two or three times in a lifetime. What I'm trying to say is, I think I want a dog. Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her. /facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process. Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story. Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc. Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system. This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men. You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again. Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments. And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up. I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part. Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you. I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle. So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages? Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ? And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance. I don't understand your terran comment. But my point is that women are just doing to men what men have done to women for ages. Yay equality! His terran comment makes sense. He's saying you can't justify favoritism towards one group today by saying the opposing group had it good in the past. AKA Terran was good in patch 1, now it's patch 10 but we don't need to buff T coz they used to be strong. That's not equality. That's revenge. I'm not saying that women have the right to treat men like shit, I'm saying that men also treat women like shit, and have done so for ages. There is no favouritism to either group, only acknowledgement that both groups are in the wrong. In the same way that women of my parents' generation had to learn how to find out early in a relationship if the guy was a dick, guys now need to find out early in a relationship if a girl is a bitch. If you want to engage in gender wars, go ahead. I'd rather find a like minded woman to settle down with.
I don't know about Australia's marriage laws, but in America it's not equal. One of my friends is in jail now because he lost his job and fell behind on child support. How many women do you know are in jail because a relationship didn't work out? (And I don't mean she shot him, ran him over, etc. As in they just simply broke up and went their separate ways and the woman is now in jail because of it.)
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On February 18 2013 10:55 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:52 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:28 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:25 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 08:01 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 04:21 Xiphos wrote:
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Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her. /facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process. Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story. Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc. Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system. This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men. You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again. Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments. And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up. I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part. Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you. I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle. So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages? Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ? And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance. I don't understand your terran comment. But my point is that women are just doing to men what men have done to women for ages. Yay equality! His terran comment makes sense. He's saying you can't justify favoritism towards one group today by saying the opposing group had it good in the past. AKA Terran was good in patch 1, now it's patch 10 but we don't need to buff T coz they used to be strong. That's not equality. That's revenge. I'm not saying that women have the right to treat men like shit, I'm saying that men also treat women like shit, and have done so for ages. There is no favouritism to either group, only acknowledgement that both groups are in the wrong. In the same way that women of my parents' generation had to learn how to find out early in a relationship if the guy was a dick, guys now need to find out early in a relationship if a girl is a bitch. If you want to engage in gender wars, go ahead. I'd rather find a like minded woman to settle down with. I don't know about Australia's marriage laws, but in America it's not equal. One of my friends is in jail now because he lost his job and fell behind on child support. How many women do you know are in jail because a relationship didn't work out?
How many men do you know who died while giving birth?
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On February 18 2013 10:50 SamsungStar wrote:
You're espousing a theory, and a rather radical one at that. It's far from a proven fact. I can't believe you're seriously trying to claim love is a proven evolutionary mechanism. There are some pretty solid theories in biology concerning sexual attraction and emotional attachment, but LOVE? Just no.
What is love, aside from sexual attraction and/or emotional attachment?
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On February 18 2013 10:56 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:55 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:52 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:28 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:25 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 08:01 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:
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/facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process.
Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story.
Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc.
Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system.
This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men. You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again. Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments. And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up. I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part. Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you. I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle. So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages? Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ? And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance. I don't understand your terran comment. But my point is that women are just doing to men what men have done to women for ages. Yay equality! His terran comment makes sense. He's saying you can't justify favoritism towards one group today by saying the opposing group had it good in the past. AKA Terran was good in patch 1, now it's patch 10 but we don't need to buff T coz they used to be strong. That's not equality. That's revenge. I'm not saying that women have the right to treat men like shit, I'm saying that men also treat women like shit, and have done so for ages. There is no favouritism to either group, only acknowledgement that both groups are in the wrong. In the same way that women of my parents' generation had to learn how to find out early in a relationship if the guy was a dick, guys now need to find out early in a relationship if a girl is a bitch. If you want to engage in gender wars, go ahead. I'd rather find a like minded woman to settle down with. I don't know about Australia's marriage laws, but in America it's not equal. One of my friends is in jail now because he lost his job and fell behind on child support. How many women do you know are in jail because a relationship didn't work out? How many men do you know who died while giving birth?
LOL. Seriously? SERIOUSLY?
Let me explain something simple. A man who falls behind on child support and defaults automatically goes to jail. It's pretty much 100%. You know why? Because if he can't pay child support, he can't hire a lawyer either. Those are the "stats" for men going to jail.
You know what the stats are for women who die while giving birth?
12 in 100,000 births for 2003. Otherwise known as 0.01% of all women who give birth in America.
You want me to look up the statistics for men who die in jail next? It'll be really funny to see how this numbers game plays out.
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On February 18 2013 10:55 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:52 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:28 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:25 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 08:01 Xiphos wrote:On February 18 2013 04:48 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 04:21 Xiphos wrote:
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Well you have to realize that it up to you to be that awesome dude that she was attracted to in the first place. My advice to you is that if you run of 'awesome' juice in you, the best decision would to be the first one to initiate the breakup so your feelings won't eventually get hurt by her. /facepalm. Basically, you're agreeing that women still operate off of the instinctive notion of finding the best quality sperm at any given moment, and intellectual concepts like loyalty, love, dedication, perseverance etc are completely ignored. Marriage vows used to be considered sacred and there were serious social repercussions for ALL parties involved when divorcing. Nowadays, it is a joke, and an invitation for women to take half your shit and write a lawyer's paycheck for the year in the process. Just look at what some of the people in this thread have said. Micronesia posted a story about a woman who fucking ran off and left her family of 30+ years in the lurch on a moment's notice. And some brilliant genius had the balls to say that sounded like a romantic story. Could you imagine if it was the father running off with some hot little 22 year old? Would you consider that a romantic story? I wonder what women would have said about a man like that. Oh wait, I already know what they would say. It's what they always say when a man does something like this. "Pig, animal, beast, pervert, asshole, jerk," etc. Yet, when women do it, none of these things are said. They're liberated, empowered, they should have a choice in who they want to be with, etc. Why? Because women do these things for subtler reasons? Because they "fell out of love" with their old partner? The "excitement" was gone? Have you ever heard a man say I left my wife because she wasn't "exciting" anymore? I left my kids because I had to follow my heart? Any man who did something like that would be crucified at the stake by society and the legal system. This is my problem with feminism. It has nothing to do with equality anymore, and everything to do with just outright favoritism. In 21st century America, in the Millenial generation, women have a ridiculous advantage. I, for one, am moving to another country where the culture isn't quite as poisonous towards men. You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again. Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments. And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up. I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part. Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you. I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle. So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages? Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ? And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance. I don't understand your terran comment. But my point is that women are just doing to men what men have done to women for ages. Yay equality! His terran comment makes sense. He's saying you can't justify favoritism towards one group today by saying the opposing group had it good in the past. AKA Terran was good in patch 1, now it's patch 10 but we don't need to buff T coz they used to be strong. That's not equality. That's revenge. I'm not saying that women have the right to treat men like shit, I'm saying that men also treat women like shit, and have done so for ages. There is no favouritism to either group, only acknowledgement that both groups are in the wrong. In the same way that women of my parents' generation had to learn how to find out early in a relationship if the guy was a dick, guys now need to find out early in a relationship if a girl is a bitch. If you want to engage in gender wars, go ahead. I'd rather find a like minded woman to settle down with. I don't know about Australia's marriage laws, but in America it's not equal. One of my friends is in jail now because he lost his job and fell behind on child support. How many women do you know are in jail because a relationship didn't work out? (And I don't mean she shot him, ran him over, etc. As in they just simply broke up and went their separate ways and the woman is now in jail because of it.)
Wait, we were talking about marriage and divorce laws? I thought were talking about cock embargoes.
Edit: Yeah, shitty child support laws and divorce courts suck. They should be changed to be fairer to men. But I don't want to reopen the giant shitfest that was the "Should men be able to get financial abortions?" thread.
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Meh, just remember some very simple rules on the modern dating market.
Women have to be good looking for men and men have to have charisma to bring in the girls.
S.Star, although all those are skewed in favor of women, as long as YOU don't commit those mistakes, all is fine and dandy. Yes I've personally witnessed a man's love life crumbling right in front of his eyes and I myself have been through hell and back and hell again as far as relationship goes but hey as long as I make sure a few of my closest friends don't fall into those traps, I wouldn't worry about anything else.
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Hey all,
First post but reading this thread got to me after my breakup and i would like to share.
We were together for 3.5 years, engaged for 1.5 years with a wedding planned, everything booked with deposits.
We were in love (or at least i was/ thought i was). We said I loved you every day, kissed and cuddled in bed every day, plus had sex regularly.
She started at a new job about 8 months ago, casual retail job. Full of alot of younger (shes 25) girls that were going out getting drunk and sleeping with different guys. she started going out with them where i wasnt invited (girls nights) its about then i felt her getting distant.
She told me about this guy that worked there that kept hitting on her but how disgusting he was and how she would only ever want me.
One night we had a fight and the next day she went to work, left early, went to his house to "watch dvds" and they had sex 3 times.
She confessed a week later after saying she loved me and was scared i would hate her.
I should have left then and there but was in a bit of shock and stuck around while we tried to get out of the hole we were now in.
She kept telling me she loved me and how sorry she was bla bla. I didnt know how to process it. One night at 10 pm she said she was going to a friends. Seemed suspicous. Followed her. Went to his house, they kissed at the door, i walked up and he saw me and slammed the door shut leaving her outside.
We spoke alot, it was pretty much over. The next day i "Hides faces in shame" broke into her FB and found all these messages going back to when she cheated on me the first time to him.
Massive sexting messages comparing my sexual performance to his, all these fantasies and things they want to do to each other. She was messaging him that whole month and then coming to bed to me.
That is one thing i will never understand, how a person can do that. Lie for a month to someone after that long together.
I wouldnt do it to my worst enemy.
It has been really tough, she has moved out and is now seeing a pyschologist every week as she is very suicidal. I had a massive blow up at her a month going calling her alot of stuff and demanding answers and she started telling me how she wants to kill herself and all that. I said its best we have 0 contact from now on for both of us.
Im terrified she will try to call me and i dont know whether to answer, while i hate her i dont want her to do anything stupid like that... If she really needs me to talk her down from a ledge or something and i dont, i would feel responsible.
But as everyone keeps saying, i shouldnt give a shit about her now... its hard. I love and hate her at the same time.
Hope this isnt to long for you guys to read! Tried to keep it factual 
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Enough with the gender wars. I want more sad/depressing breakup stories.
Now... if I could add a depressing story I saw on a PUA forum:
+ Show Spoiler +I remember one time in the club La Cita in Los Angeles I start making out with this girl right off the open, and her man comes up and is like "Jenny, WHAT THE FUCK?" She jumps off and they have words, then he comes back to me and says "Oh man I was thinking you kissed her, sorry I got mad at you, you seem like a good guy..."
I felt bad for him so said "Yeah man, I just saw her and she was cute so put my face up to her, but she's super loyal to you. You've got a great girl and really pretty too..." Then he BOUGHT ME A DRINK.
There is NO CHANCE that he didn't see us tonguing down, right blatantly in front of him, but his RAS chose to block out reality ......... WHY?
Because at that point he has 2 choices...
1) Move out of the apartment they share together, have to not have sex for months or over a year until his next girlfriend, while she goes out and gets fucked by guys like me whenever she wants.
2) Lie to himself (or blame ME for it like the guys often do -- really sad to see this) and continue living in the same apartment, having sex when he wants, have the emotional support and validation, and know that his life makes sense.
So like a lot of us, cause hey we're only human, he lies to himself.
Yea, it's not a breakup story... but the relationship between that guy and that girl isn't going anywhere good... and the poor fucker is gona stick in it until the bitter end... until he's wasted his time and his heart is broken.
So the moral of the story: don't get too attached to your partner. Have an interdependent relationship.
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On February 18 2013 11:01 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 10:56 Salazarz wrote:On February 18 2013 10:55 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:52 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:28 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:25 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 08:01 Xiphos wrote:
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You completely missed the whole point of the post because there was absolute no mention of getting yourself married. Read again.
Once upon a time, I liked your mentality but right now you are just being plain bitter and unable to accept the truth that the moment you start losing your attractiveness is the moment she'll start looking for another man, simple as that. It is best to accept it and weigh your investments.
And of course that's how they think, it is called hypergamy, look that up. I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part. Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you. I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle. So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages? Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ? And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance. I don't understand your terran comment. But my point is that women are just doing to men what men have done to women for ages. Yay equality! His terran comment makes sense. He's saying you can't justify favoritism towards one group today by saying the opposing group had it good in the past. AKA Terran was good in patch 1, now it's patch 10 but we don't need to buff T coz they used to be strong. That's not equality. That's revenge. I'm not saying that women have the right to treat men like shit, I'm saying that men also treat women like shit, and have done so for ages. There is no favouritism to either group, only acknowledgement that both groups are in the wrong. In the same way that women of my parents' generation had to learn how to find out early in a relationship if the guy was a dick, guys now need to find out early in a relationship if a girl is a bitch. If you want to engage in gender wars, go ahead. I'd rather find a like minded woman to settle down with. I don't know about Australia's marriage laws, but in America it's not equal. One of my friends is in jail now because he lost his job and fell behind on child support. How many women do you know are in jail because a relationship didn't work out? How many men do you know who died while giving birth? LOL. Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Let me explain something simple. A man who falls behind on child support and defaults automatically goes to jail. It's pretty much 100%. You know why? Because if he can't pay child support, he can't hire a lawyer either. Those are the "stats" for men going to jail. You know what the stats are for women who die while giving birth? 12 in 100,000 births for 2003. Otherwise known as 0.01% of all women who give birth in America. You want me to look up the statistics for men who die in jail next? It'll be really funny to see how this numbers game plays out.
How does that answer my question?
The point is, no matter how you look at it, men and women are not, and will not be the same in regards to things related to procreation. Whether the laws you have in America (or anywhere else) are fair or not is certainly something you could discuss in length, but the fact is women sacrifice a lot more to produce a child than men do; actual childbirth aside (which by most accounts is basically the most agonizing experience ever), maternity leaves aren't very well received in many companies etc. It just isn't something you can point at and say, OMG UNFAIR
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On February 18 2013 11:06 Xiphos wrote:
Meh, just remember some very simple rules on the modern dating market.
Women have to be good looking for men and men have to have charisma to bring in the girls.
S.Star, although all those are skewed in favor of women, as long as YOU don't commit those mistakes, all is fine and dandy. Yes I've personally witnessed a man's love life crumbling right in front of his eyes and I myself have been through hell and back and hell again as far as relationship goes but hey as long as I make sure a few of my closest friends don't fall into those traps, I wouldn't worry about anything else.
Thanks Xiphos. That's good advice. Although it really is fun to discuss and vent a bit online XD.
I will say though, I don't think it's as simple as being charismatic. Notice that every single story in here is about a man who was already in a relationship. Had nothing to do with charisma. All of them were charismatic enough to get the girl. The problem is what comes AFTER charisma. Some guys think it's just finding the "right" girl. I think that helps a ton. But I also think being emotionally unavailable, focusing and investing only in yourself, and treating the relationship as an added bonus at ALL times helps a ton too.
For some reason, as soon as you let a girl know she's important in your life, she decides it's time to leave. Maybe its performance anxiety, maybe they think you're not good enough for them now that you need them, who the fuck knows. All I know is when you bring down the emotional walls and turn into a puddle of goo at your woman's feet, that is the exact moment when she stomps on your nuts and calls you trash.
To magicquaglor: Brutal, man. Sorry to hear it. And yes, this is the kind of emotional two-facedness I've come to expect from women. Also, whenever a woman you're dating mentions another man in specificity, no matter what she says, the fact she mentioned him is a giant red flag. I've heard similar stories time and time again. And every time the woman is talking about how much she dislikes the guy, mostly because she's trying to convince herself she's not interested. But she is. Very.
Also, notice what a class act the guy is. He saw you walking up so he slammed the door in her face. What a gallant. That lets you and her know that what they did was definitely for love.
The suicide card is so low, too. I've heard that one, I dno, like a million times? The minute you get aggressive and start asking the hard questions, she just folds up and cries about how she's going to end it all. I've gotten in arguments with ex-gfs, like years after dating, when there shouldn't be any emotional content or reason to get upset. I treat them like sisters more than anything and try to look out for them as a brother. Then when I give it to them on the real, like I tell them they're being a whore when they ask if it was whorish to fuck 4 guys in one week, 2 at the same time, they cry and say they are driving back from work and it's raining and they are going to drive off the rails because I'm being mean.
My mother used to do this too when I was a kid. ALL the time. We'd be coming home from school or some shit and she'd get mad at one of us and threaten to run us all off the edge of the highway. My response was to yank at the steering wheel to make good on her bluff. Then she'd smack me in the face and tell me I was fucking nuts. Me! Yes, I have a long and beautiful history of relationships with women. Don't get me wrong, there are nice things about them, but holy fuck. As a rule, I can't be around them for more than a few days at a time. I just get this massive throbbing in my head after the one in my pants has gone away that forces me to run screaming from the building while tearing my clothes off in the street.
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On February 18 2013 11:15 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 11:01 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:56 Salazarz wrote:On February 18 2013 10:55 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:52 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:28 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:25 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 08:26 SamsungStar wrote:
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I'm well aware of hypergamy. And I'm not bitter. This generation is just severely lacking in wisdom. Have you ever heard the saying "It always darkest before the dawn"? I am that type of person. Now, I think what maartendq said is rather reasonable. If a relationship has been stagnant for a long time and the other party obviously just does NOT give a shit, yes that is valid grounds for breaking up. I'm not saying everything is set in stone. But there is a world of difference between the man-juggling, serial dater, multiple-partner lifestyle that many women of my generation are buying into and serial monogamy till death do us part.
Millenials nowadays treat people like disposable objects. It's just another toxic influence of consumerist culture. I know girls who compartmentalize everything. They keep one guy around for emotional support. Another guy around for sex. Another guy for shopping. Another guy for trips overseas. It's like she's running a little harem through her iphone. Except it's like becoming a porn star. The good times only last so long. A lot of this generation is too idiotic to see past today so they don't see how that sort of behavior is problematic. They just want instant gratification 24/7. Soon as you find something "better" just kick the old model to the curb and bring in the new. Doesn't matter if the previous guy is in a temporary rut or had a bad turn of luck. Just drop and catch the next in line. Oh, and if that first guy gets it together, come back around later and try to play on the sap's old sentiments to score the gravy train again. If you can't see how that's sad, I don't know what to tell you.
I also don't get why you're being argumentative and trying to call me bitter. I'm not. I've long ago accepted that women are opportunistic, heartless sharks. That's what I've been trying to tell other people in this thread, while proposing (albeit tongue-in-cheek) counterstrategies like cock cartels. The problem with men is they seem to just accept the status quo and are resigned to it. Whereas women, as a group, are constantly pushing for more and more advantage for their gender. There is very much a gender war going on, and the men are basically just grabbing ankle and asking the women to be gentle. So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages? Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ? And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance. I don't understand your terran comment. But my point is that women are just doing to men what men have done to women for ages. Yay equality! His terran comment makes sense. He's saying you can't justify favoritism towards one group today by saying the opposing group had it good in the past. AKA Terran was good in patch 1, now it's patch 10 but we don't need to buff T coz they used to be strong. That's not equality. That's revenge. I'm not saying that women have the right to treat men like shit, I'm saying that men also treat women like shit, and have done so for ages. There is no favouritism to either group, only acknowledgement that both groups are in the wrong. In the same way that women of my parents' generation had to learn how to find out early in a relationship if the guy was a dick, guys now need to find out early in a relationship if a girl is a bitch. If you want to engage in gender wars, go ahead. I'd rather find a like minded woman to settle down with. I don't know about Australia's marriage laws, but in America it's not equal. One of my friends is in jail now because he lost his job and fell behind on child support. How many women do you know are in jail because a relationship didn't work out? How many men do you know who died while giving birth? LOL. Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Let me explain something simple. A man who falls behind on child support and defaults automatically goes to jail. It's pretty much 100%. You know why? Because if he can't pay child support, he can't hire a lawyer either. Those are the "stats" for men going to jail. You know what the stats are for women who die while giving birth? 12 in 100,000 births for 2003. Otherwise known as 0.01% of all women who give birth in America. You want me to look up the statistics for men who die in jail next? It'll be really funny to see how this numbers game plays out. How does that answer my question? The point is, no matter how you look at it, men and women are not, and will not be the same in regards to things related to procreation. Whether the laws you have in America (or anywhere else) are fair or not is certainly something you could discuss in length, but the fact is women sacrifice a lot more to produce a child than men do; actual childbirth aside (which by most accounts is basically the most agonizing experience ever), maternity leaves aren't very well received in many companies etc. It just isn't something you can point at and say, OMG UNFAIR
The risks of pregnancy are quite low. You have higher risks of dying while driving to work than you do having a baby. I'd argue going to jail for failing to pay child support and getting anal raped twice a week for 3 years and infected in your ass with STDs is a pretty good parallel to 9 months of pregnancy. I'm tired of brainwashed arguments trying to claim women have it way harder when it comes to birth and child-rearing. It's not a cogent argument. It's an emotional one without much validity. You can't just pull out the big belly card and expect everyone to bow down in shame. Getting pregnant is not some holy grail achievement that should entitle a woman to half her husband's shit and half his future earnings into eternity.
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My mother, after being with my father twice and another man for a very short time has been dating a man that my grandparents wouldn't approve of. She kept it a secret for a few years until she decided to move in with him after my sister (who lived with her, I lived with my father) got married and moved out. She my grandparents flipped when she finally told them and they and my mother didn't talk for a few months and it started to get to my mother so she up and left the guy without ever telling him. I can only imagine what it was like for him to come home from work and she and all her stuff was just up and gone. Needless to say he wasn't the first man she did this too, nor was he the first man to come back to her. It's no wonder why I don't trust women other than nice old grandmothers with lots of children and nice long marriages.
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On February 18 2013 11:33 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 11:15 Salazarz wrote:On February 18 2013 11:01 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:56 Salazarz wrote:On February 18 2013 10:55 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:52 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:28 SamsungStar wrote:On February 18 2013 10:25 ControlMonkey wrote:On February 18 2013 10:21 Godwrath wrote:On February 18 2013 10:03 ControlMonkey wrote:
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So (some) women are learning to treat men like (some) men have treated women for ages? Huh ? Terran doesn't deserves any buff because it was overpowered at release arguments at this ? And he kinda does have a point. I used to be one of those fuckers who jumped on many relationships with no parachute. Not a chance. I don't understand your terran comment. But my point is that women are just doing to men what men have done to women for ages. Yay equality! His terran comment makes sense. He's saying you can't justify favoritism towards one group today by saying the opposing group had it good in the past. AKA Terran was good in patch 1, now it's patch 10 but we don't need to buff T coz they used to be strong. That's not equality. That's revenge. I'm not saying that women have the right to treat men like shit, I'm saying that men also treat women like shit, and have done so for ages. There is no favouritism to either group, only acknowledgement that both groups are in the wrong. In the same way that women of my parents' generation had to learn how to find out early in a relationship if the guy was a dick, guys now need to find out early in a relationship if a girl is a bitch. If you want to engage in gender wars, go ahead. I'd rather find a like minded woman to settle down with. I don't know about Australia's marriage laws, but in America it's not equal. One of my friends is in jail now because he lost his job and fell behind on child support. How many women do you know are in jail because a relationship didn't work out? How many men do you know who died while giving birth? LOL. Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Let me explain something simple. A man who falls behind on child support and defaults automatically goes to jail. It's pretty much 100%. You know why? Because if he can't pay child support, he can't hire a lawyer either. Those are the "stats" for men going to jail. You know what the stats are for women who die while giving birth? 12 in 100,000 births for 2003. Otherwise known as 0.01% of all women who give birth in America. You want me to look up the statistics for men who die in jail next? It'll be really funny to see how this numbers game plays out. How does that answer my question? The point is, no matter how you look at it, men and women are not, and will not be the same in regards to things related to procreation. Whether the laws you have in America (or anywhere else) are fair or not is certainly something you could discuss in length, but the fact is women sacrifice a lot more to produce a child than men do; actual childbirth aside (which by most accounts is basically the most agonizing experience ever), maternity leaves aren't very well received in many companies etc. It just isn't something you can point at and say, OMG UNFAIR The risks of pregnancy are quite low. You have higher risks of dying while driving to work than you do having a baby. I'd argue going to jail for failing to pay child support and getting anal raped twice a week for 3 years and infected in your ass with STDs is a pretty good parallel to 9 months of pregnancy. I'm tired of brainwashed arguments trying to claim women have it way harder when it comes to birth and child-rearing. It's not a cogent argument. It's an emotional one without much validity. You can't just pull out the big belly card and expect everyone to bow down in shame. Getting pregnant is not some holy grail achievement that should entitle a woman to half her husband's shit and half his future earnings into eternity.
Well, it's just 9 months of vomiting, crying, hormonal hyperactivity, nausea, physical alteration, etc. Getting your belly ripped open or your vagina penetrated by someting the size of a football. Did you know that women bleed for a whole month afterwards? That they become incontinent? That their body remains scarred for life?
I mean, the gender war seems even more pointless when you point out the difficulties that both men and women go through. But you could at least recognized that giving birth - after spending roughly a quarter of your life bleeding - is a pretty rough thing.
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