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Alright, enough religious debate. If you want to talk about Pope Benedict and what he specifically did or didn't do, go ahead. But no more general discussion on the merits or ills of the Catholic church or their history.
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On February 11 2013 21:00 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 20:31 McBengt wrote:On February 11 2013 20:09 Zandar wrote:
Just hope a more modern pope with less anti gay and anti condom ideas will replace him, but I don't have high hopes. If such and individual is to be produced, it certainly wont be found within the Vatican, the most corrupt nest of hypocrites, liars, pedophiles and smirking lickspittles on the face of the planet. Personally I vote for Ted Haggard, in the name of epic lulz. You know there's a higher ratio of pedophiles among sport teachers than among catholic priests, you hateful bigot. All jobs involving interactions with children attract pedophiles and are susceptible of initiating pedophile tendancies among disturbed individuals. Back on the main subject, I hope the main instances of Catholicity wouldn't betray their core teachings, but if they do, it wouldn't matter, because this will only accelerate its ongoing death. Indeed, if nothing changes, Catholicity will be swamped out by religions which are not afraid of holding similar principles and values but with pride, even though their principles are radically different than the ones being promoted by the mass media (evangelism, sunni islam) which therefore demonize them. Besides, I wonder why we never hear similar wishes for mufti and particulary chief rabbi. A mixture of self-hatred and cowardice ?
What core teachings have the Vatican betrayed? As far as I know, they are as staunchly opposed to gays, contraception, abortion, women in the clergy, etc as ever. I don't think you need to fear, the Vatican remains firmly rooted in its morally bankrupt ways for some time to come I'd wager.
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Time for another clown to raise to power and bring a new wave of hatred on the world.
I just wish they moved the cancer of vatican outside of my country. Let the poor embrace the middle age.
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Bisutopia19257 Posts
This is just a rumor, but I heard he retired so he could make time for "Heart of the Swarm" in hopes to be competitive by next GSL code A qualifier.
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Austria24417 Posts
On February 11 2013 21:24 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 21:17 Zandar wrote:On February 11 2013 21:14 Golden Ghost wrote:On February 11 2013 21:09 Eufouria wrote:On February 11 2013 20:59 Mafe wrote:
My guess is he's got a diagnosis of something like Alzeheimer's disease. And he wants a conscious leader for the catholic church. Yeah I'd say this makes the most sense. The chances that he grew a concience are lower than the chances of the next Pope being in favour of gay marriage. Why you are even contemplating he doesn´t have a concience is beyong me. Sure he has his flaws just as any human being and I don´t agree with a lot of the current policies of the Catholic church although I still consider myself a Catholic but I also believe he acts out of his fervent believes of doing good and not an intent to do evil as you seem to be suggesting. If hope not for his own sake. If he has a concience then every aids baby in Africa is on his concience. No. It would be on the church. He's not only Pope Benedict, but also Ratzinger, a human being, filling a role he actually never really wanted to fill. Don't blame Benedict for the shortcomings of something so incredibly outdated as the catholic (or any other) religion.
If he didn't wanna do it, he should've told his cardinal buddies not to elect him...
I'm glad he's gone. However, there might be someone even worse just waiting for us. Only time will tell. The church can make a pretty big statement now but I'd bet that they'll fail.
Still wishing him the best for his health issues though. I just didn't like his view of the world and how he used his power.
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On February 11 2013 21:00 SiroKO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 20:31 McBengt wrote:On February 11 2013 20:09 Zandar wrote:
Just hope a more modern pope with less anti gay and anti condom ideas will replace him, but I don't have high hopes. If such and individual is to be produced, it certainly wont be found within the Vatican, the most corrupt nest of hypocrites, liars, pedophiles and smirking lickspittles on the face of the planet. Personally I vote for Ted Haggard, in the name of epic lulz. You know there's a higher ratio of pedophiles among sport teachers than among catholic priests, you hateful bigot. All jobs involving interactions with children attract pedophiles and are susceptible of initiating pedophile tendancies among disturbed individuals.
How is he a bigot for pointing out the evident reality? If anything, you are the delusional one. Sports teachers are generally people with quite poor education and/or intellect, people who otherwise would've not become much. Meanwhile, priests are supposed to be the servants of God, they're supposed to be purer, kinder and wiser than the average bloke, and yet it is the church that is one of the most corrupt and despicable systems currently operating.
And to reference what KwarK said, how can you compare a sports teacher with barely any education to the man that is supposed to be the highest exponent of God's power, God's presence on this Earth? Which makes it all the more outrageous that the latter, not the former, would be personally involved in covering up the wrong-doings and child molestation of the catholic church.
You're being irrationally butthurt, my dear poster.
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On February 11 2013 21:24 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 21:17 Zandar wrote:On February 11 2013 21:14 Golden Ghost wrote:On February 11 2013 21:09 Eufouria wrote:On February 11 2013 20:59 Mafe wrote:
My guess is he's got a diagnosis of something like Alzeheimer's disease. And he wants a conscious leader for the catholic church. Yeah I'd say this makes the most sense. The chances that he grew a concience are lower than the chances of the next Pope being in favour of gay marriage. Why you are even contemplating he doesn´t have a concience is beyong me. Sure he has his flaws just as any human being and I don´t agree with a lot of the current policies of the Catholic church although I still consider myself a Catholic but I also believe he acts out of his fervent believes of doing good and not an intent to do evil as you seem to be suggesting. If hope not for his own sake. If he has a concience then every aids baby in Africa is on his concience. No. It would be on the church. He's not only Pope Benedict, but also Ratzinger, a human being, filling a role he actually never really wanted to fill. Don't blame Benedict for the shortcomings of something so incredibly outdated as the catholic (or any other) religion.
That's not true.
Him being the leader of the church made him the only person who could change that.
And he didn't.
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United States42957 Posts
On February 11 2013 21:24 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 21:17 Zandar wrote:On February 11 2013 21:14 Golden Ghost wrote:On February 11 2013 21:09 Eufouria wrote:On February 11 2013 20:59 Mafe wrote:
My guess is he's got a diagnosis of something like Alzeheimer's disease. And he wants a conscious leader for the catholic church. Yeah I'd say this makes the most sense. The chances that he grew a concience are lower than the chances of the next Pope being in favour of gay marriage. Why you are even contemplating he doesn´t have a concience is beyong me. Sure he has his flaws just as any human being and I don´t agree with a lot of the current policies of the Catholic church although I still consider myself a Catholic but I also believe he acts out of his fervent believes of doing good and not an intent to do evil as you seem to be suggesting. If hope not for his own sake. If he has a concience then every aids baby in Africa is on his concience. No. It would be on the church. He's not only Pope Benedict, but also Ratzinger, a human being, filling a role he actually never really wanted to fill. Don't blame Benedict for the shortcomings of something so incredibly outdated as the catholic (or any other) religion.
Everyone knows that the Vatican will eventually add condoms and AIDS to the very long list of things where their divinely inspired solution turned out to be a force for evil in the world. More and more Catholics are using birth control in their daily lives as family planning becomes increasingly important, the alternatives of abstinence, huge families and infanticide all being unpalatable. Furthermore as they become increasingly educated the idea of applauding a policy that causes unimaginable suffering simply because it's their religion loses support, rather than be disillusioned they will change it.
It's just nobody wants to be the Pope who says "sorry about causing hundreds of millions of AIDS deaths by telling everyone condoms will send you to hell and probably cause AIDS anyway", they'd rather have the guy a few Pope's down the line do that job, only when he says it it'll be billions. It's criminal to be honest.
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This guy ran the Catholic church during some of its most damaging scandals and he said some pretty divisive things. I wonder if all the controversy had an impact on his health or something?
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Austria24417 Posts
He apparently had a stroke sometime before he became pope, fell and hit his head against something.
Now that explains a few things.
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On February 11 2013 21:32 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 21:24 m4inbrain wrote:On February 11 2013 21:17 Zandar wrote:On February 11 2013 21:14 Golden Ghost wrote:On February 11 2013 21:09 Eufouria wrote:On February 11 2013 20:59 Mafe wrote:
My guess is he's got a diagnosis of something like Alzeheimer's disease. And he wants a conscious leader for the catholic church. Yeah I'd say this makes the most sense. The chances that he grew a concience are lower than the chances of the next Pope being in favour of gay marriage. Why you are even contemplating he doesn´t have a concience is beyong me. Sure he has his flaws just as any human being and I don´t agree with a lot of the current policies of the Catholic church although I still consider myself a Catholic but I also believe he acts out of his fervent believes of doing good and not an intent to do evil as you seem to be suggesting. If hope not for his own sake. If he has a concience then every aids baby in Africa is on his concience. No. It would be on the church. He's not only Pope Benedict, but also Ratzinger, a human being, filling a role he actually never really wanted to fill. Don't blame Benedict for the shortcomings of something so incredibly outdated as the catholic (or any other) religion. Everyone knows that the Vatican will eventually add condoms and AIDS to the very long list of things where their divinely inspired solution turned out to be a force for evil in the world. More and more Catholics are using birth control in their daily lives as family planning becomes increasingly important, the alternatives of abstinence, huge families and infanticide all being unpalatable. Furthermore as they become increasingly educated the idea of applauding a policy that causes unimaginable suffering simply because it's their religion loses support, rather than be disillusioned they will change it. It's just nobody wants to be the Pope who says "sorry about causing hundreds of millions of AIDS deaths by telling everyone condoms will send you to hell and probably cause AIDS anyway", they'd rather have the guy a few Pope's down the line do that job, only when he says it it'll be billions. It's criminal to be honest.
Every pope would've said that, i'm not even defending that (why would i, to me personally many if not all views of the church are borderline stupid). I said, it's not on his concience alone. It's the church that is incredibly outdated, not the pope itself (which may also be, but that does not change anything). I actually like the concept of "church" in general, the problem is that their views on so many things are warped to oblivion - destroying so many lives based on a book that may or may not be just fiction.
That's not true.
Him being the leader of the church made him the only person who could change that.
And he didn't.
That's bullshit, utter bullshit. It's like saying "Obama being the leader of the US made him the only person who could change the way the US looks at weapons".
He can't, there's as much politics in the vatican (even more i'd say) involved as in every other "government".
Edit: not saying that he would want to or not, just saying that IF he would want to change something, he can't.
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On February 11 2013 21:27 aTnClouD wrote:
Time for another clown to raise to power and bring a new wave of hatred on the world.
I just wish they moved the cancer of vatican outside of my country. Let the poor embrace the middle age.
well techinally Vatican City is a seperate country from Italy.
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On February 11 2013 21:24 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 21:17 Zandar wrote:On February 11 2013 21:14 Golden Ghost wrote:On February 11 2013 21:09 Eufouria wrote:On February 11 2013 20:59 Mafe wrote:
My guess is he's got a diagnosis of something like Alzeheimer's disease. And he wants a conscious leader for the catholic church. Yeah I'd say this makes the most sense. The chances that he grew a concience are lower than the chances of the next Pope being in favour of gay marriage. Why you are even contemplating he doesn´t have a concience is beyong me. Sure he has his flaws just as any human being and I don´t agree with a lot of the current policies of the Catholic church although I still consider myself a Catholic but I also believe he acts out of his fervent believes of doing good and not an intent to do evil as you seem to be suggesting. If hope not for his own sake. If he has a concience then every aids baby in Africa is on his concience. No. It would be on the church. He's not only Pope Benedict, but also Ratzinger, a human being, filling a role he actually never really wanted to fill. Don't blame Benedict for the shortcomings of something so incredibly outdated as the catholic (or any other) religion.
A somewhat strange sentiment. If its supreme leader cannot be held responsible for the conduct of the Vatican, then who can? God?
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Austria24417 Posts
On February 11 2013 21:41 McBengt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 21:24 m4inbrain wrote:On February 11 2013 21:17 Zandar wrote:On February 11 2013 21:14 Golden Ghost wrote:On February 11 2013 21:09 Eufouria wrote:On February 11 2013 20:59 Mafe wrote:
My guess is he's got a diagnosis of something like Alzeheimer's disease. And he wants a conscious leader for the catholic church. Yeah I'd say this makes the most sense. The chances that he grew a concience are lower than the chances of the next Pope being in favour of gay marriage. Why you are even contemplating he doesn´t have a concience is beyong me. Sure he has his flaws just as any human being and I don´t agree with a lot of the current policies of the Catholic church although I still consider myself a Catholic but I also believe he acts out of his fervent believes of doing good and not an intent to do evil as you seem to be suggesting. If hope not for his own sake. If he has a concience then every aids baby in Africa is on his concience. No. It would be on the church. He's not only Pope Benedict, but also Ratzinger, a human being, filling a role he actually never really wanted to fill. Don't blame Benedict for the shortcomings of something so incredibly outdated as the catholic (or any other) religion. A somewhat strange sentiment. If its supreme leader cannot be held responsible for the conduct of the Vatican, then who can? God?
Everybody who supports the organisation but yes, the pope is a good target. Then again there's so many behind the scenes schemes and stuff, you'll probably never know the full list of people to blame.
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First DarKFoRcE now the Pope. Bad week for Germany.
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United States42957 Posts
On February 11 2013 21:43 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 21:41 McBengt wrote:On February 11 2013 21:24 m4inbrain wrote:On February 11 2013 21:17 Zandar wrote:On February 11 2013 21:14 Golden Ghost wrote:On February 11 2013 21:09 Eufouria wrote:On February 11 2013 20:59 Mafe wrote:
My guess is he's got a diagnosis of something like Alzeheimer's disease. And he wants a conscious leader for the catholic church. Yeah I'd say this makes the most sense. The chances that he grew a concience are lower than the chances of the next Pope being in favour of gay marriage. Why you are even contemplating he doesn´t have a concience is beyong me. Sure he has his flaws just as any human being and I don´t agree with a lot of the current policies of the Catholic church although I still consider myself a Catholic but I also believe he acts out of his fervent believes of doing good and not an intent to do evil as you seem to be suggesting. If hope not for his own sake. If he has a concience then every aids baby in Africa is on his concience. No. It would be on the church. He's not only Pope Benedict, but also Ratzinger, a human being, filling a role he actually never really wanted to fill. Don't blame Benedict for the shortcomings of something so incredibly outdated as the catholic (or any other) religion. A somewhat strange sentiment. If its supreme leader cannot be held responsible for the conduct of the Vatican, then who can? God? Everybody who supports the organisation but yes, the pope is a good target.
The Vatican is a lot less liberal than most Catholics who live in the real world. Having to deal with real life issues like being unable to afford to support another child don't come up much for priests with billions in the bank,.
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On February 11 2013 21:38 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 21:32 KwarK wrote:On February 11 2013 21:24 m4inbrain wrote:On February 11 2013 21:17 Zandar wrote:On February 11 2013 21:14 Golden Ghost wrote:On February 11 2013 21:09 Eufouria wrote:On February 11 2013 20:59 Mafe wrote:
My guess is he's got a diagnosis of something like Alzeheimer's disease. And he wants a conscious leader for the catholic church. Yeah I'd say this makes the most sense. The chances that he grew a concience are lower than the chances of the next Pope being in favour of gay marriage. Why you are even contemplating he doesn´t have a concience is beyong me. Sure he has his flaws just as any human being and I don´t agree with a lot of the current policies of the Catholic church although I still consider myself a Catholic but I also believe he acts out of his fervent believes of doing good and not an intent to do evil as you seem to be suggesting. If hope not for his own sake. If he has a concience then every aids baby in Africa is on his concience. No. It would be on the church. He's not only Pope Benedict, but also Ratzinger, a human being, filling a role he actually never really wanted to fill. Don't blame Benedict for the shortcomings of something so incredibly outdated as the catholic (or any other) religion. Everyone knows that the Vatican will eventually add condoms and AIDS to the very long list of things where their divinely inspired solution turned out to be a force for evil in the world. More and more Catholics are using birth control in their daily lives as family planning becomes increasingly important, the alternatives of abstinence, huge families and infanticide all being unpalatable. Furthermore as they become increasingly educated the idea of applauding a policy that causes unimaginable suffering simply because it's their religion loses support, rather than be disillusioned they will change it. It's just nobody wants to be the Pope who says "sorry about causing hundreds of millions of AIDS deaths by telling everyone condoms will send you to hell and probably cause AIDS anyway", they'd rather have the guy a few Pope's down the line do that job, only when he says it it'll be billions. It's criminal to be honest. Every pope would've said that, i'm not even defending that (why would i, to me personally many if not all views of the church are borderline stupid). I said, it's not on his concience alone. It's the church that is incredibly outdated, not the pope itself (which may also be, but that does not change anything). I actually like the concept of "church" in general, the problem is that their views on so many things are warped to oblivion - destroying so many lives based on a book that may or may not be just fiction. Show nested quote +That's not true.
Him being the leader of the church made him the only person who could change that.
And he didn't. That's bullshit, utter bullshit. It's like saying "Obama being the leader of the US made him the only person who could change the way the US looks at weapons". He can't, there's as much politics in the vatican (even more i'd say) involved as in every other "government". Edit: not saying that he would want to or not, just saying that IF he would want to change something, he can't.
Well maybe not the only one, but for sure he was the person with the most power in the Church.
If anyone could have made a difference it was him. Not some cardinal or priest.
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I've been Roman Catholic since I was born (I haven't been to Church that wasn't on Christmas or Easter for a while) and I thought you had to be Pope until you died...
I really don't care who is Pope, I rarely find myself agreeing with their stance on many modern day issues lol.
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Austria24417 Posts
On February 11 2013 21:44 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 21:43 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 11 2013 21:41 McBengt wrote:On February 11 2013 21:24 m4inbrain wrote:On February 11 2013 21:17 Zandar wrote:On February 11 2013 21:14 Golden Ghost wrote:On February 11 2013 21:09 Eufouria wrote:On February 11 2013 20:59 Mafe wrote:
My guess is he's got a diagnosis of something like Alzeheimer's disease. And he wants a conscious leader for the catholic church. Yeah I'd say this makes the most sense. The chances that he grew a concience are lower than the chances of the next Pope being in favour of gay marriage. Why you are even contemplating he doesn´t have a concience is beyong me. Sure he has his flaws just as any human being and I don´t agree with a lot of the current policies of the Catholic church although I still consider myself a Catholic but I also believe he acts out of his fervent believes of doing good and not an intent to do evil as you seem to be suggesting. If hope not for his own sake. If he has a concience then every aids baby in Africa is on his concience. No. It would be on the church. He's not only Pope Benedict, but also Ratzinger, a human being, filling a role he actually never really wanted to fill. Don't blame Benedict for the shortcomings of something so incredibly outdated as the catholic (or any other) religion. A somewhat strange sentiment. If its supreme leader cannot be held responsible for the conduct of the Vatican, then who can? God? Everybody who supports the organisation but yes, the pope is a good target. The Vatican is a lot less liberal than most Catholics who live in the real world. Having to deal with real life issues like being unable to afford to support another child don't come up much for priests with billions in the bank,.
Oh I agree.
Being in Rome and visiting the Vatican made me sick to my stomach. That's when I realized what a fucking bunch of hypocrites the Catholic Church actually are. The fucking chair he sits his ass on could feed the people they're "praying for".
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On February 11 2013 20:53 KimJongChill wrote:wow that was awesome, thanks for sharing..wonder who peter the roman will be . . .
Well by prophecy he will be antichrist and end times for this world will start.
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I wonder if there ever be a world where there is no pope at all.
Even if I was religious I have a hard time with the whole idea that there needs to be someone between me and God.
If I would believe in God why wouldn't I believe He listens to me regardless of all the popes/pastors/churches and so on and so forth.
I guess I will never understand religion at all.
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