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Alright, enough religious debate. If you want to talk about Pope Benedict and what he specifically did or didn't do, go ahead. But no more general discussion on the merits or ills of the Catholic church or their history. -page 12 | ||
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Heouf
Netherlands787 Posts
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
On February 11 2013 20:34 spelhus wrote: Nice finally the prophecy will be fulfilled! I'm so excited ^^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes wow that was awesome, thanks for sharing..wonder who peter the roman will be . . . | ||
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TSORG
293 Posts
On February 11 2013 20:09 Zandar wrote: Just hope a more modern pope with less anti gay and anti condom ideas will replace him, but I don't have high hopes. I don't want high popes either! | ||
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
I prefer a high pope to this one tbh lol. | ||
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SpeaKEaSY
United States1070 Posts
On February 11 2013 20:32 Ragnarork wrote: This is quite big news. Indeed it's very uncommon to see this. My guess is the scandals around the Vatican and the pope's butler... Though there could be a lot of reasons. I don't believe it's linked to health issues...(iirc, John Paul II died while still being the pope...). Seeing how this person is influent, I'd hope we could see someone more like JP II and less like Ratzinger. (I'm not catholic, but still I can see how this has an impact on the world, and I hope the new pope end up being the nicest possible...) Resigning is not necessarily due to scandals, Pope Alexander VI had several mistresses and fathered children, but never resigned and died while still pope. Likely, we'll never know the full story unless there's stuff gets leaked out. The Vatican is pretty damn secretive. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On February 11 2013 20:58 SpeaKEaSY wrote: Resigning is not necessarily due to scandals, Pope Alexander VI had several mistresses and fathered children, but never resigned and died while still pope. Likely, we'll never know the full story unless there's stuff gets leaked out. The Vatican is pretty damn secretive. Resigning just doesn't happen normally. The last one was in 1415 and it was an attempt to stop the great schism. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
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SiroKO
France721 Posts
On February 11 2013 20:31 McBengt wrote: If such and individual is to be produced, it certainly wont be found within the Vatican, the most corrupt nest of hypocrites, liars, pedophiles and smirking lickspittles on the face of the planet. Personally I vote for Ted Haggard, in the name of epic lulz. You know there's a higher ratio of pedophiles among sport teachers than among catholic priests, you hateful bigot. All jobs involving interactions with children attract pedophiles and are susceptible of initiating pedophile tendancies among disturbed individuals. Back on the main subject, I hope the main instances of Catholicity wouldn't betray their core teachings, but if they do, it wouldn't matter, because this will only accelerate its ongoing death. Indeed, if nothing changes, Catholicity will be swamped out by religions which are not afraid of holding similar principles and values but with pride, even though their principles are radically different than the ones being promoted by the mass media (evangelism, sunni islam) which therefore demonize them. Besides, I wonder why we never hear similar wishes for mufti and particulary chief rabbi. A mixture of self-hatred and cowardice ? | ||
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Golden Ghost
Netherlands1041 Posts
Most of the popes up to about 1800 were killed/poisoned anyway so there was also no need for the rule  I think it´s a very good thing a pope let´s go of the office if he is no longer capable of leading the church succesfully. Let´s not forget the current pope is already 85 years old and had to deal with a lot of taxing matters during his reign. For example all the accusations about priests who exhibited pedophilic tendencies and dealing with all that can´t have a good effect on your health when you are as old as he is. And also all the scandals surrounding the papal bank can´t have helped. It was also always assumed, by insiders, that when he came into office in 2005 he would serve for a relative short term and perhaps act as a transition between the old pope and the newer generation. I´m very curious who we will get next. After the 2005 election there were rumours that in a next election perhaps an African or American cardinal would be elected. That being two new strongholds of the Catholic church with the decline of church going Catholics in some of the more traditional European countries. Also I have no high hopes of a pope with more liberal views on gay issues, woman in the church etc. These issues mainly play in more progressive western countries and as a lot of people in these countries have given up hope and left the church also their influence in the church has dwindled. On top of that, a pope names the cardinals and the cardinals choose the new pope. So a pope will almost always appoint cardinals that hold (most of) his own views, thus ensuring that his policies and views will live on after he dies. That is also why there is such a slow (almost glacial) pace of change in the Catholic church. | ||
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Split Behemoth
France104 Posts
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Uracil
Germany422 Posts
This is interesting news to me - Im not a catholic, or even religious in any conventional ways, but I was under the impression that a Pope of the Catholic church could only be 'relieved of duty' by God himself (As in his death)? He can resign it just only happened once before. The Code of Canon Law 332 §2 states, "If it happens that the Roman Pontiff resigns his office, it is required for validity that the resignation is made freely and properly manifested but not that it is accepted by anyone." | ||
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Zetter
Germany629 Posts
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
On February 11 2013 20:59 Mafe wrote: My guess is he's got a diagnosis of something like Alzeheimer's disease. And he wants a conscious leader for the catholic church. Yeah I'd say this makes the most sense. The chances that he grew a concience are lower than the chances of the next Pope being in favour of gay marriage. | ||
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Golden Ghost
Netherlands1041 Posts
On February 11 2013 21:09 Eufouria wrote: Yeah I'd say this makes the most sense. The chances that he grew a concience are lower than the chances of the next Pope being in favour of gay marriage. Why you are even contemplating he doesn´t have a concience is beyond me. Sure he has his flaws just as any human being and I don´t agree with a lot of the current policies of the Catholic church although I still consider myself a Catholic but I also believe he acts out of his fervent believes of doing good and not an intent to do evil as you seem to be suggesting. | ||
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Erik.TheRed
United States1655 Posts
Now can we please keep this outdated bullshit tradition a thing of the past? | ||
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
On February 11 2013 21:14 Golden Ghost wrote: Why you are even contemplating he doesn´t have a concience is beyong me. Sure he has his flaws just as any human being and I don´t agree with a lot of the current policies of the Catholic church although I still consider myself a Catholic but I also believe he acts out of his fervent believes of doing good and not an intent to do evil as you seem to be suggesting. If hope not for his own sake. If he has a concience then every aids baby in Africa is on his concience. | ||
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TheDraken
United States640 Posts
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imre
France9263 Posts
On February 11 2013 21:15 Erik.TheRed wrote: Goodbye, good riddance. Another person who filled the world with lies, hate and delusion and who has hopefully become irrelevant in today's world. Now can we please keep this outdated bullshit tradition a thing of the past? Promote discussion and interaction between religion: filled by hatred. LOL some person just love to bash the Church with retarded argumentes. | ||
KwarK
United States43953 Posts
On February 11 2013 21:17 Zandar wrote: If hope not for his own sake. If he has a concience then every aids baby in Africa is on his concience. Then there's the whole bit where he personally was behind the policy to cover up pedophile priests while moving them around so they could continue to prey on children who were threatened with excommunication if they tried to involve the police. I wonder if they'll finally be able to nail him for that once his diplomatic immunity expires. | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On February 11 2013 21:17 Zandar wrote: If hope not for his own sake. If he has a concience then every aids baby in Africa is on his concience. No. It would be on the church. He's not only Pope Benedict, but also Ratzinger, a human being, filling a role he actually never really wanted to fill. Don't blame Benedict for the shortcomings of something so incredibly outdated as the catholic (or any other) religion. | ||
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