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Pope Benedict XVI to resign

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Alright, enough religious debate. If you want to talk about Pope Benedict and what he specifically did or didn't do, go ahead. But no more general discussion on the merits or ills of the Catholic church or their history.

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ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 11:55:09
February 11 2013 11:05 GMT
#1
According to an Italian news agency ANSA, Pope Benedict XVI, head of the Catholic religion is stepping down from office.

(Headline google-translated)

The Pope will leave 'from February 28. The announcement in Latin during the consistory for the canonization of the martyrs of Otranto.


The site is being smashed with hits right now, so it's super unstable and I'm unable to get more of the text. (www.ANSA.it)

This is interesting news to me - Im not a catholic, or even religious in any conventional ways, but I was under the impression that a Pope of the Catholic church could only be 'relieved of duty' by God himself (As in his death)?

A Pope stepping down is very very rare - The last case AFAIK, was in 1405, over 600 years ago, and in every case of this, there were some kind of scandal involved (In this particular case, several claimants to the office)

The article link in its full form is here - The site is impossible to reach at this moment though



EDIT - Loose translation of the statement from the Pope which was made in Latin:

"The Pope leaves the papacy from February 28. The announcement was made personally, in Latin, during the consistory for the canonization of the martyrs of Otranto. "A bolt from the blue." With these words, the dean of the College of Cardinals, Cardinal Angelo Sodano said the decision to leave the pontificate of Benedict XVI

The Pope explained to feel the weight of the assignment of the pope, he had long pondered this decision and taking it for the good of the Church.

The pope has shown Feb. 28 for the term of the papacy and demanded that refers to a conclave to elect a successor."


BBC article in english: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21411304

Exerpt:


"After having repeatedly examined my conscience before God, I have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry.

"I am well aware that this ministry, due to its essential spiritual nature, must be carried out not only with words and deeds, but no less with prayer and suffering.

"However, in today's world, subject to so many rapid changes and shaken by questions of deep relevance for the life of faith, in order to govern the bark of Saint Peter and proclaim the Gospel, both strength of mind and body are necessary, strength which in the last few months, has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to recognise my incapacity to adequately fulfil the ministry entrusted to me.

"For this reason, and well aware of the seriousness of this act, with full freedom I declare that I renounce the ministry of Bishop of Rome, Successor of Saint Peter, entrusted to me by the Cardinals on 19 April 2005, in such a way, that as from 28 February 2013, at 20:00 hours, the See of Rome, the See of Saint Peter, will be vacant and a Conclave to elect the new Supreme Pontiff will have to be convoked by those whose competence it is."




EDIT#2

I think we should keep the past sins/drama of the catholic church out of this thread - To some people, this news is of spiritual importance and a really important event, lets show our best behaviour guys!
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
February 11 2013 11:09 GMT
#2
My guess is health issues, preventing him from fulfilling his duties.

A less serious guess would be that he grew a conscience.
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 11:10:57
February 11 2013 11:09 GMT
#3
Just hope a more modern pope with less anti gay and anti condom ideas will replace him, but I don't have high hopes.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
Oshuy
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands529 Posts
February 11 2013 11:12 GMT
#4
Confirmed by the vatican through reuters, stating he no longer has the strength to fulfill his duties.
(there were already a lot of resignation rumors last year)
Coooot
Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 11:16:00
February 11 2013 11:14 GMT
#5
Brace yourselves. Darth Ratzinger is going to reveal his true self and declare that he is a Sith Lord.

+ Show Spoiler +
"I am a beacon of knowledge blazing out across a black sea of ignorance. "
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
February 11 2013 11:14 GMT
#6
On February 11 2013 20:09 Xpace wrote:
A less serious guess would be that he grew a conscience.



HAHA!

According to a German newspaper he said "I don't have the strength left for this office"
source (German)
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
sertas
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden889 Posts
February 11 2013 11:15 GMT
#7
so why doesnt god just give him strength to continue? Something is fishy here
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
February 11 2013 11:17 GMT
#8
Good.

Hopefully they can elect someone who's actually serious about cleaning up the Vatican and moving forward instead of backward. Benedict's old fashioned rhetoric really has made the church look bad since he took office at least in my opinion.

aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
lord_nibbler
Profile Joined March 2004
Germany591 Posts
February 11 2013 11:17 GMT
#9
Darkforce = Pope = same person maybe?
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2144 Posts
February 11 2013 11:19 GMT
#10
Wish for a more educated Pope next time.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 11:24:28
February 11 2013 11:24 GMT
#11
On February 11 2013 20:19 llIH wrote:
Wish for a more educated Pope next time.


Quite sure it won't be the case since if Ratzinger wasn't a PR expert his intellectual work was recognized and he's a really solid theologist. It just doesn't fit with communication, a lot of the mishaps happened because he was speaking to the public in the same way he'd speak with his peers.
For someone who was supposed to be a transparant pope he had some impact, and he didn't embody the worst of the catholic church by far. Still need a bit of cleaning regarding the inner administration but I doubt his successor will be braver on this matter.
Zest fanboy.
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
February 11 2013 11:24 GMT
#12
I wish it had to do with a kinda repentance for the thousands of cases of pedo allllllllll these last years, and not just that he's tired.
NoiR
Charlson
Profile Joined February 2012
Austria7 Posts
February 11 2013 11:25 GMT
#13
At least he is reasonable enough to step down before his strenght fully deteriorates.
Wise decision!
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
February 11 2013 11:25 GMT
#14
On February 11 2013 20:14 Bleak wrote:
Brace yourselves. Darth Ratzinger is going to reveal his true self and declare that he is a Sith Lord.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmc6tR2V1Vc


That's one of the best palpatine/pope movies I've seen, thanks for sharing :D
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
McBengt
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1684 Posts
February 11 2013 11:31 GMT
#15
On February 11 2013 20:09 Zandar wrote:
Just hope a more modern pope with less anti gay and anti condom ideas will replace him, but I don't have high hopes.


If such and individual is to be produced, it certainly wont be found within the Vatican, the most corrupt nest of hypocrites, liars, pedophiles and smirking lickspittles on the face of the planet. Personally I vote for Ted Haggard, in the name of epic lulz.
"My twelve year old will out-reason Bill Maher when it comes to understanding, you know, what, uh, how to logic work" - Rick Santorum
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
February 11 2013 11:31 GMT
#16
Really off topic here, but isn't it about time we stop using Roman numerals for good?
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
February 11 2013 11:32 GMT
#17
This is quite big news. Indeed it's very uncommon to see this.

My guess is the scandals around the Vatican and the pope's butler... Though there could be a lot of reasons.

I don't believe it's linked to health issues...(iirc, John Paul II died while still being the pope...).

Seeing how this person is influent, I'd hope we could see someone more like JP II and less like Ratzinger.
(I'm not catholic, but still I can see how this has an impact on the world, and I hope the new pope end up being the nicest possible...)
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spelhus
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany52 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 11:37:06
February 11 2013 11:34 GMT
#18
Nice finally the prophecy will be fulfilled! I'm so excited ^^

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes
Sephyr
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia665 Posts
February 11 2013 11:40 GMT
#19
Wait why doesn't he just continue until he dies like every other Pope?
ButtCraft
Profile Joined March 2011
United States114 Posts
February 11 2013 11:51 GMT
#20
On February 11 2013 20:40 Sephyr wrote:
Wait why doesn't he just continue until he dies like every other Pope?


Because he grew a conscience
Sometimes you just gotta say fuck it, and swing for the fuckin fences
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