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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On January 25 2013 03:09 MooLen wrote: The people only have less children in the "rich" countrys. The problem is for example africa because they dont know how "protected sex" works. In a decade or two they'll be "rich" too! | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On January 25 2013 03:11 dAPhREAk wrote: imagine you have a farm with lots of fertile soil and beautiful crops. now imagine a swarm of locusts come and eat all of your crops. now imagine that you put too much Monsanto super grade kill em all pesticide on your crops. now imagine all the locusts die because of the Monsanto, and the chemical concentration of their bodies soaks into and destroys your fertile soil. yeah, thats what humans are doing to the earth. we consume and destroy with little regard for the future. For a species with little regard for the future, we sure bitch about the future enough. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On January 25 2013 03:22 JonnyBNoHo wrote: For a species with little regard for the future, we sure bitch about the future enough. talk is cheap. | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
Yes, and real solutions take a lot of time. Good thing we've already been working on them for decades - often with substantial progress. | ||
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Shival
Netherlands643 Posts
On January 25 2013 01:56 2v2levels wrote: It's an over-simplified, hyperbolic, and general observation that I found interesting. Nobody is claiming to be a scientist here. http://www.paulchefurka.ca/World Population.JPG I am curious, what name you would give to a curve like this, though. It's simply a factually flawed statement. Call it whatever you like, but it's wrong. The graph you're showing can't show datapoints of mere years, it shows in decades at best. The last 50 years the population growth has dropped from about 2.2% per year to 1.1% a year and the drop is looking poised to continue. Anyway, the graph is simply a statement to humanities ability to overcome adversity through its ingenuity. If anything it shows the accomplishments humanity has made in the last few centuries. The sharp rise is merely an effect of being able to overcome that which killed us before. Luckily for us, apperantly when we have developed enough socially our willingness to reproduce stagnates or even declines, which coincidentally is our failsafe. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
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derpface
Sweden925 Posts
And then let nature and evolution have its course anew and make something better than us. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
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farvacola
United States18818 Posts
On January 25 2013 03:39 derpface wrote: Sometimes I just hope a asteroid would smash against earth and kill the whole of humanity. And then let nature and evolution have its course anew and make something better than us. Perhaps your problem lies with the assumption that humanity is somehow divorced from "nature and evolution". Nothing could be more presumptuous than to assume that humans have somehow evaded the net of the "natural". | ||
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Shival
Netherlands643 Posts
On January 25 2013 03:39 derpface wrote: Sometimes I just hope a asteroid would smash against earth and kill the whole of humanity. And then let nature and evolution have its course anew and make something better than us. I never seem to understand where this defeatist attitude comes from. Can you name any species that has done 'better' than us, gone further than us? | ||
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
Not only are we at least 300 years away from not being able to feed first world countries, but the more people that starve, the less people there are to feed. Same as in nature. The only serious threat humanity has to worry about is serious water polution and Nuclear Warfare. There is nothing else we can do to this planet to make it inhabitable. Less comfortable? Of course. Uninhabitable? Never. Also, overpopulation will never, ever cause an issue in ours or our childrens lifetimes. So why even worry about it. Governments will start caring when it starts effecting their bottom line and actually becomes a real issue. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On January 25 2013 03:43 Shival wrote: I never seem to understand where this defeatist attitude comes from. Can you name any species that has done 'better' than us, gone further than us? cockroaches will outlast us all. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
insects in general, but yes cockroaches imba | ||
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lonelyPotato
Australia158 Posts
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derpface
Sweden925 Posts
On January 25 2013 03:43 Shival wrote: I never seem to understand where this defeatist attitude comes from. Can you name any species that has done 'better' than us, gone further than us? No species has gone more further than us at destroying the planet we live on. | ||
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derpface
Sweden925 Posts
On January 25 2013 03:43 farvacola wrote: Perhaps your problem lies with the assumption that humanity is somehow divorced from "nature and evolution". Nothing could be more presumptuous than to assume that humans have somehow evaded the net of the "natural". But maybe we have? I mean we dont just kill, feed, reproduce and back again like any other animals No, we are far ahead of that with making machines and using nuclear energy and so on. All this stuff that is "unnatural" if you ask me, thats what makes us evade the net of the "natural". And this have already slapped us in the face with the global warming etc etc etc problems that there is. | ||
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Shival
Netherlands643 Posts
On January 25 2013 03:52 derpface wrote: No species has gone more further than us at destroying the planet we live on. Sure, and yet we're the first species ever with the capability to avert cataclysms such as an asteroid impact, soon to have the capability of colonizing other planets. I believe our tech is advancing at a faster pace than we are hurting the planet, in every area there's either already a solution or soon to realize solution to our environmental problems. Environmental concern is not the most problematic of cataclysms we should be worried about. Also, you evaded my question. | ||
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farvacola
United States18818 Posts
On January 25 2013 03:56 derpface wrote: But maybe we have? I mean we dont just kill, feed, reproduce and back again like any other animals No, we are far ahead of that with making machines and using nuclear energy and so on. All this stuff that is "unnatural" if you ask me, thats what makes us evade the net of the "natural". And this have already slapped us in the face with the global warming etc etc etc problems that there is. "natural" and "unnatural" are simply words; we have no actual basis in declaring human advancement and technology definitively unnatural, for they are mere products of humanity. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On January 25 2013 03:21 JonnyBNoHo wrote: In a decade or two they'll be "rich" too! Yes, modernization is a magic process that just sort of slaps on a society and it happens the same every time. It's not any different for the last countries on a planet to modernize than it was the first one. What's going to happen is not they "they'll be rich," it's that the ones of them who are already rich will get enormously more so. A few lucky locals will ascend to the international finance class. | ||
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