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On January 25 2013 05:59 Elroi wrote:
That sounds a little bit like a nation committing suicide. My political science teacher told me that the talibans in Afghanistan are the only ones who have ever done that.
How can you aim a nuclear TEST at anything? What doest that even mean? "Hey, I'm going to try my nuke in one of your cities."
Wait does he (or she) mean the Taliban suicide bombings, or actual national suicide? I don't understand how
NK doesn't really have anywhere to aim that rocket except for the big blue sea and other countries. US and Russia both had open expanses of land to conduct nuclear tests in. I guess they can't go for option one, so they'll try sending a rocket at America. It getting there and detonating is another story.
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On January 25 2013 04:59 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 04:09 Salazarz wrote:On January 25 2013 03:49 farvacola wrote:On January 25 2013 03:43 Salazarz wrote:
Threatening SK / US with a war doesn't mean NK are nutjobs. A war would actually be a means for them to climb out of the hole they are in, because after being utterly crushed and occupied by SK / US / whatever, it would be kind of up to the said SK / US / whomever to get them back on their feet, at least to some extent. Considering the current state of affairs in NK, getting crushed by US wouldn't be even half bad, since it's not like they are ever going to fix their stuff by themselves at this point. I think you are assuming far too much in terms of what would happen to NK in any sort of hypothetical "war" situation. There would be no climbing out of a hole, for a hole is all they would be. They have literally nothing to gain from actual conflict save for utter destruction. Now the threat of war, that is far more useful to a country full of starving citizens. There's no such thing as utter destruction in modern conflicts, though. And considering current state of affairs in North Korea, really, what could be worse, especially if you consider that the most recently elected SK president is very much anti-reunification. The ONLY reason for that is because no modern conflict in recent years has escalated to the point where both parties are not only major world powers but also have their existence threatened by said war. There really hasn't been a "true" war in the past sixty odd years. The only one that really comes close is Vietnam but the US wasn't in any actual threat there in so much as losing their sovereignty. I assure you that if you have a war where both parties are a real threat to one another than you will have a good change for utter destruction. The whole NK deal is extremely complicated especially because China really doesn't want the United States blowing the hell out of a country so close to their borders.
World War 2 was about as 'true' of a war as it gets, and neither Germany nor Japan ended up facing genocide there. On top of that NK is surrounded by countries that US would not risk getting into trouble with so it's not like they are going to carpet nuke North Korea or something. Plus North Koreans, however crazy and communistic they are, are still "Koreans". If it came to an actual war between NK and anyone else, it'd not be pretty for North Korea - but they have literally nothing to lose. NK getting invaded and occupied by just about anyone else would only be a good thing for them.
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On January 25 2013 04:10 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 03:50 Mortal wrote:On January 25 2013 03:49 farvacola wrote:On January 25 2013 03:43 Salazarz wrote:
Threatening SK / US with a war doesn't mean NK are nutjobs. A war would actually be a means for them to climb out of the hole they are in, because after being utterly crushed and occupied by SK / US / whatever, it would be kind of up to the said SK / US / whomever to get them back on their feet, at least to some extent. Considering the current state of affairs in NK, getting crushed by US wouldn't be even half bad, since it's not like they are ever going to fix their stuff by themselves at this point. I think you are assuming far too much in terms of what would happen to NK in any sort of hypothetical "war" situation. There would be no climbing out of a hole, for a hole is all they would be. They have literally nothing to gain from actual conflict save for utter destruction. Now the threat of war, that is far more useful to a country full of starving citizens. Yeah but they're buttfuck crazy. "utter destruction" could be reason enough ;_; also, some imposter of you got banned. i was nearly fooled TT Indeed, the issue ends up being one of just how insane a game of brinkmanship North Korea wants to play; while they always seem on the edge of total craziness, historically they always cave when we give them food and medical supplies. I really wonder just how crazy Kim Jong Un is. And yeah, imposters are afoot  Edit: Salazarz, I'm not sure modern conflict precedent is too useful in the case of North Korea; their behavior and place in international politics is enough to warrant a unique consideration, and you better believe that total destruction is on the table if they do something wildly stupid with a nuclear missile.
A lot of you guys think the north koreans are completely bat-shit crazy, except they really aren't. They project craziness on purpose because it plays to their benefit. The uncertainty and randomness behavior that the north koreans put up cause everyone involved to be extremely cautious and makes it difficult for countries like the US to do anything. They aren't stupid. They milked all the money they could off of the left-wing south korean governments that were in power from 1997 - 2007, who were stupid enough to wire transfer tens of billions of dollars and other aid to the north korean government, acts which didn't help south korea at all in the long run (yes that's how stupid korean liberals are..).
The north korean government is also involved in advanced money counterfeiting as well as state-sponsored illegal drug production, both of which provide cash to them. Yes, 99% of the country is starving and half-dead. Yes, they are poor. Yes, their military is full of old soviet shit. But they aren't stupid, and the 1% elite that lives in pyongyang are pretty content with the system they have set up.
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Good thing we've got SDI in secret full operation
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On January 25 2013 06:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 05:59 Elroi wrote:
That sounds a little bit like a nation committing suicide. My political science teacher told me that the talibans in Afghanistan are the only ones who have ever done that.
How can you aim a nuclear TEST at anything? What doest that even mean? "Hey, I'm going to try my nuke in one of your cities." Wait does he (or she) mean the Taliban suicide bombings, or actual national suicide? I don't understand how NK doesn't really have anywhere to aim that rocket except for the big blue sea and other countries. US and Russia both had open expanses of land to conduct nuclear tests in. I guess they can't go for option one, so they'll try sending a rocket at America. It getting there and detonating is another story.
The SALT I and II treaties banned the testing you are talking about. A lot of testing happens underwater, detonating bombs in the atmosphere or in other areas like that IIRC (that knowledge could be heavily outdated, as this is what I know from history and not the present).
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On January 25 2013 08:25 Roe wrote:
Good thing we've got SDI in secret full operation
What do you mean we? That's all Ronald Reagan's AMERICANA, Roe.
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On January 25 2013 08:39 docvoc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 06:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On January 25 2013 05:59 Elroi wrote:
That sounds a little bit like a nation committing suicide. My political science teacher told me that the talibans in Afghanistan are the only ones who have ever done that.
How can you aim a nuclear TEST at anything? What doest that even mean? "Hey, I'm going to try my nuke in one of your cities." Wait does he (or she) mean the Taliban suicide bombings, or actual national suicide? I don't understand how NK doesn't really have anywhere to aim that rocket except for the big blue sea and other countries. US and Russia both had open expanses of land to conduct nuclear tests in. I guess they can't go for option one, so they'll try sending a rocket at America. It getting there and detonating is another story. The SALT I and II treaties banned the testing you are talking about. A lot of testing happens underwater, detonating bombs in the atmosphere or in other areas like that IIRC (that knowledge could be heavily outdated, as this is what I know from history and not the present). EDIT: Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 08:25 Roe wrote:
Good thing we've got SDI in secret full operation What do you mean we? That's all Ronald Reagan's AMERICANA, Roe.
We are Americana. You will join us, "Docvoc".
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On January 25 2013 06:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 05:59 Elroi wrote:
That sounds a little bit like a nation committing suicide. My political science teacher told me that the talibans in Afghanistan are the only ones who have ever done that.
How can you aim a nuclear TEST at anything? What doest that even mean? "Hey, I'm going to try my nuke in one of your cities." Wait does he (or she) mean the Taliban suicide bombings, or actual national suicide? I don't understand how NK doesn't really have anywhere to aim that rocket except for the big blue sea and other countries. US and Russia both had open expanses of land to conduct nuclear tests in. I guess they can't go for option one, so they'll try sending a rocket at America. It getting there and detonating is another story.
What the teacher is referring to I'm guessing is mess with the bull you get the horn. Or eagle in this case.
And by aiming the test, don't take it literally. They are saying... "oh, you want to throw sanctions at supreme leader!, we show you full might of supreme leader's will" (in the middle of the pacific).
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Prease don't raunch missires!
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On January 25 2013 01:31 Warfie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 01:17 ThomasjServo wrote:On January 25 2013 01:15 Warfie wrote:
Since the general consensus in here seems to be that defending a missile attack from North Korea would be easy with the current defense systems of the US, can someone point me to a source? I'm reading about it on Wikipedia, but it can hardly said to be conclusive in either direction.. I just question the notion that it is nothing to even worry about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_DomeNot precisely the same system I am sure but I imagine it very closely parallels the Israeli defense system. Given that this is designed to track and stop rockets that are travelling a fraction of the distance at a much lower atmosphere, extrapolating the system to a much larger scale with more tracking details would seem a relatively easy thing. This is far too vague to be called a source. The wikipedia article on missile defense in the US suggests that one of the problems with intercontinentinal ballistic missiles (ICBM) is their high altitude and more importantly their high speeds. Show nested quote +In general short-range tactical ABMs cannot intercept ICBMs, even if within range. The tactical ABM radar and performance characteristics do not allow it, as an incoming ICBM warhead moves much faster than a tactical missile warhead. Source
I think the major problem is the fact that people just don't shoot ICBM's at each other so there is no way to really test them, nor is there much incentive to further develop them. These systems are very expensive and will most likely never be used, unlike infantry and tanks for example that you might ship to UN missions.
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North Korea 'under martial law'
North Korea has been placed under martial law and Kim Jong-un has told his front-line troops to "be ready for a war," according to South Korean media reports.
In an emergency meeting of his top defence and security officials on Saturday, the North Korean leader issued a series of orders that included the conclusion of preparations for a new nuclear test, the Joongang Daily reported.
North Korean state media has also reported that Kim ordered his officials to take "effective, high-profile state measures."
While it has been anticipated that Pyongyang will go ahead with what will be the regime's third nuclear test, in spite of international pressure to refrain from doing so, analysts had predicted that the blast would be timed to coincide with the birthday on February 16 of Kim Jong-il, the former leader who died in late 2011, or the inauguration of the new government in South Korea nine days later.
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LOL that video is spectacular.
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I think it's funny because whenever my mom hears about it on TV I have to remind her that they're not an actual threat to us... It's still annoying to see that wild card flaunting its old garbage technology around like it's somebody.
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I feel like you Djzapz. It's time for them to learn not to mock about and act respectful for once...
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That video makes me sad and laugh at the same time.
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Hahahahah that was great! Seriously best special effects ever xD That space ship man.....
US probably won't take this lightly but I mean come on, that was cheesy as fuck I've seen better special effects in home made movies 
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United States43271 Posts
Unfortunately nobody in N Korea will see this, if only they had computers and internet access. Well, that and food. It's intended for us.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Like TOCHMY says, the way they continue to do idiotic things just puts more pressure on action to be taken. I'm sorry but the ends is near, this looks like the final straw for America, i can see everyone being bought of Afghanistan and heading straight for North Korea and putting a stop to it before the summer is out.
Makes no sense to even let them carry on with what they are doing, China has already given up with them so there is nothing stopping anyone from taking the dirty, cruel dictatorship away from North Korea and letting them live just as good lives as the South.
I too like in the video hope for a united Korea with them all being able to live as well as they do in the South (speaking in terms of my view of the South is a good place to live like any other government run country)
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United States24741 Posts
Usually, if a nation's official leadership publicly shares a video simulation of them bombing cities of another nation, they make 100% enemies out of the entire world.
I guess they didn't have much to lose at this point, except for a couple of brownie points with China.
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I wonder how much canon paid them.
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