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BradenKuntz
Canada59 Posts
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
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farvacola
United States18839 Posts
On January 25 2013 03:43 Salazarz wrote: Threatening SK / US with a war doesn't mean NK are nutjobs. A war would actually be a means for them to climb out of the hole they are in, because after being utterly crushed and occupied by SK / US / whatever, it would be kind of up to the said SK / US / whomever to get them back on their feet, at least to some extent. Considering the current state of affairs in NK, getting crushed by US wouldn't be even half bad, since it's not like they are ever going to fix their stuff by themselves at this point. I think you are assuming far too much in terms of what would happen to NK in any sort of hypothetical "war" situation. There would be no climbing out of a hole, for a hole is all they would be. They have literally nothing to gain from actual conflict save for utter destruction. Now the threat of war, that is far more useful to a country full of starving citizens. | ||
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Mortal
2943 Posts
On January 25 2013 03:49 farvacola wrote: I think you are assuming far too much in terms of what would happen to NK in any sort of hypothetical "war" situation. There would be no climbing out of a hole, for a hole is all they would be. They have literally nothing to gain from actual conflict save for utter destruction. Now the threat of war, that is far more useful to a country full of starving citizens. Yeah but they're buttfuck crazy. "utter destruction" could be reason enough ;_; also, some imposter of you got banned. i was nearly fooled TT | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On January 25 2013 03:49 farvacola wrote: I think you are assuming far too much in terms of what would happen to NK in any sort of hypothetical "war" situation. There would be no climbing out of a hole, for a hole is all they would be. They have literally nothing to gain from actual conflict save for utter destruction. Now the threat of war, that is far more useful to a country full of starving citizens. There's no such thing as utter destruction in modern conflicts, though. And considering current state of affairs in North Korea, really, what could be worse, especially if you consider that the most recently elected SK president is very much anti-reunification. | ||
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farvacola
United States18839 Posts
On January 25 2013 03:50 Mortal wrote: Yeah but they're buttfuck crazy. "utter destruction" could be reason enough ;_; also, some imposter of you got banned. i was nearly fooled TT Indeed, the issue ends up being one of just how insane a game of brinkmanship North Korea wants to play; while they always seem on the edge of total craziness, historically they always cave when we give them food and medical supplies. I really wonder just how crazy Kim Jong Un is. And yeah, imposters are afoot  Edit: Salazarz, I'm not sure modern conflict precedent is too useful in the case of North Korea; their behavior and place in international politics is enough to warrant a unique consideration, and you better believe that total destruction is on the table if they do something wildly stupid with a nuclear missile. | ||
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Mortal
2943 Posts
On January 25 2013 04:10 farvacola wrote: Indeed, the issue ends up being one of just how insane a game of brinkmanship North Korea wants to play; while they always seem on the edge of total craziness, historically they always cave when we give them food and medical supplies. I really wonder just how crazy Kim Jong Un is. And yeah, imposters are afoot Edit: Salazarz, I'm not sure modern conflict precedent is too useful in the case of North Korea; their behavior and place in international politics is enough to warrant a unique consideration, and you better believe that total destruction is on the table if they do something wildly stupid with a nuclear missile. Unfortunately, I feel like if you walk on the cliff of psychosis long enough, you'll eventually find yourself falling down, regardless of how many times people pull you away from the edge. It may never come to pass, but I feel like they're playing with too much fire to not either get burned themselves, or burn others. | ||
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
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wozzot
United States1227 Posts
On January 25 2013 04:26 xsnac wrote: why i have to read every month about how north korea tests/makes/launches/ } nuclear weapons} repeat all this chain all over the year and every time some1 will make a thread . i mean we get so used to it i wont take it serious again ever . Yeah, when people don't even bother making Deal Reader jokes anymore you know you've hit bottom | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On January 25 2013 04:09 Salazarz wrote: There's no such thing as utter destruction in modern conflicts, though. And considering current state of affairs in North Korea, really, what could be worse, especially if you consider that the most recently elected SK president is very much anti-reunification. The ONLY reason for that is because no modern conflict in recent years has escalated to the point where both parties are not only major world powers but also have their existence threatened by said war. There really hasn't been a "true" war in the past sixty odd years. The only one that really comes close is Vietnam but the US wasn't in any actual threat there in so much as losing their sovereignty. I assure you that if you have a war where both parties are a real threat to one another than you will have a good change for utter destruction. The whole NK deal is extremely complicated especially because China really doesn't want the United States blowing the hell out of a country so close to their borders. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On January 25 2013 03:43 Salazarz wrote: Threatening SK / US with a war doesn't mean NK are nutjobs. A war would actually be a means for them to climb out of the hole they are in, because after being utterly crushed and occupied by SK / US / whatever, it would be kind of up to the said SK / US / whomever to get them back on their feet, at least to some extent. Considering the current state of affairs in NK, getting crushed by US wouldn't be even half bad, since it's not like they are ever going to fix their stuff by themselves at this point. I really doubt their plan is to start a war so they can get fucked so badly that they need help from said fuckerers to get back on their feet. I think simply asking for help would be easier no? | ||
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BreAKerTV
Taiwan1658 Posts
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number01
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
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HunterX11
United States1048 Posts
On January 25 2013 04:59 Jayme wrote: The ONLY reason for that is because no modern conflict in recent years has escalated to the point where both parties are not only major world powers but also have their existence threatened by said war. There really hasn't been a "true" war in the past sixty odd years. The only one that really comes close is Vietnam but the US wasn't in any actual threat there in so much as losing their sovereignty. I assure you that if you have a war where both parties are a real threat to one another than you will have a good change for utter destruction. The whole NK deal is extremely complicated especially because China really doesn't want the United States blowing the hell out of a country so close to their borders. There are other reasons, such as the decreased appetite among the public for visible brutality that used to be considered acceptable, or was at least inaccessible to the media. North Korea is singularly closed and otherized, though, so more so than most countries I think if it came to war, liberal democracies would be willing and able to pretty much genocide them even today. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
How can you aim a nuclear TEST at anything? What doest that even mean? "Hey, I'm going to try my nuke in one of your cities." | ||
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derpface
Sweden925 Posts
Sure US is scared but its not like they didnt use nuclear weapons or dont have them ready... | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On January 25 2013 06:03 derpface wrote: I dont understand, why cant other countries leave North Korea alone and let them do what they want? Sure US is scared but its not like they didnt use nuclear weapons or dont have them ready... Well in this particular case the US has to deal with both the blatant threat as well as Article 9 of the Japanese constitution, which effectively "disarmed" (they maintain some modicum of a defense force but not what you could call a standing army) Japan. The US has a commitment to protect Japan, not to mention the interest in maintaining the naval base it operates out of Okinawa. | ||
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All.In
United States214 Posts
Now as a US citizen my opinion on the N Korea thing doesn't really matter. Even if they did launch it the US will get a chance to display something they have been wanting to show off for awhile now. On a further note I hope the US starts to pull out of everything soon and quits world policing. The new SOD that Obama is putting in is pretty anti Isreal and anti occupation in his past voting. That includes supplying rebels and causing instability as well. I think the US will take a lot of grief and blame if they region falls into complete war but no matter what happens we will get a lot of blame and probably right fully so. I do have a lot of fear for what will happen to Isreal if this happens but part of the blame falls on their president having such an extreme right side policy that is fueling the flames. The US itself is in a big transition right now internally. Between the internet and Social Media us citizens are finally starting to impact the government some and states them selves are standing up. The end of "The War On Drugs" is finally within eye sight and we got a hand full of REAL Republican Senators (Constitutionalist aka no fed reserve, no standing army, no welfare, states hand most laws basically what our founding fathers laid out). The whole world looks at us like gun toting god loving rednecks basically lol but the fact is 60-70% of the country is for gun control right now and schools are removing creationism at a staggering rate. | ||
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