EPTNorth Korea says/does surprising and alarming thing - Page 5
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
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Saumure
France404 Posts
On January 25 2013 00:19 Arcanis wrote: I think that this is a standard political ploy for the leadership to appear strong and determined to the people of NK. We have to remember that most of them are brainwashed in thinking that the West is the evil empire and North Korea is the only nice place to live, a socialist utopian society.  Maybe my assumptions are wrong about NK. But if the people is brainwashed and you control all media, why bothering making an official anouncment? You could fake it if it would be for propaganda purposes, just like in WW2, were the nazis told the germans they were winning battle after battle even after '42. | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
I mean, I know that the U.S. isn't the most "liked" guy around the international block, but like him or not, you respect him when he could beat the living hell out of you in less than 30 days. I mean, North Korea is insane, but jeez. | ||
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Kalingingsong
Canada633 Posts
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DDie
Brazil2369 Posts
My thoughts exactly while reading the ''threat''. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
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Saumure
France404 Posts
On January 25 2013 00:44 Telcontar wrote: They're just angling for a better position in any future dialogues between the two. They can't push it too far though, or they risk further alienating themselves from China, their most important ally. Can we really talk about "most important ally" in the case of China and NK? I mean, important allies strongly support each other, like the USA and Israel. But I feel like China's only reason to be North Korea's ally is to be able to mess a little with the western countries. I don't think that China would support NK in some serious matter (for example if NK would start a sudden attack). | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
When you think about it, how hard would it be to completely neutralize the ability of North Korea to operate its tanks, planes, or other mechanized forms of warfare with capabilities from this century? Their largest asset is their standing army in terms of sheer personnel, and it isn't like it would be the first time a suicide charge was repeatedly led on the Korean peninsula. To me that is the most disturbing element of possible military action, the potential human cost. Unlike most other conflicts, this would involve national forces rather than guerrilla tactics or insurgent style fighting. There are also the peripheral costs to such action like reintegration of the North Korean population into (presumably) South Korean society. I am not saying go in guns blazing, but I think that this is becoming an increasingly valid option for dealing with NK and its poor excuses for diplomacy. | ||
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NuKE[vZ]
United States249 Posts
nukes are fun to watch in starcraft, not IRL :D | ||
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hoby2000
United States918 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11716 Posts
On January 25 2013 00:51 Saumure wrote: Can we really talk about "most important ally" in the case of China and NK? I mean, important allies strongly support each other, like the USA and Israel. But I feel like China's only reason to be North Korea's ally is to be able to mess a little with the western countries. I don't think that China would support NK in some serious matter (for example if NK would start a sudden attack). But i don't think NK has a lot of other allies. "Most important" is relative. And on the list of countries NK can expect any help from when dealing with other countries, china is probably on the top. | ||
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Infernal_dream
United States2359 Posts
On January 25 2013 00:32 Alryk wrote: This is stupid... lol. I mean, I know that the U.S. isn't the most "liked" guy around the international block, but like him or not, you respect him when he could beat the living hell out of you in less than 30 days. I mean, North Korea is insane, but jeez. But we won't. Obama won't do it. Even if one of their backyard bottle rockets manages to hit something we still won't do anything. | ||
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Warfie
Norway2846 Posts
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SirKibbleX
United States479 Posts
In North Korea, probably 90%+ of the population are starving, illiterate, and consistently oppressed by their own government. I cannot imagine any people so freed greeting a united army bearing alms and foodstuffs and culture with hostility. The only tragedy that would be necessary in this day and age would be the loss of members of the North Korean military, who would likely suicidally attack against Seoul. The terrifying problem is that many South Koreans might also die in the initial assaults. The battles probably wouldn't last a week, and tens of thousands of North Korean soldiers, and possibly hundreds or thousands South Koreans would die. Either way, North Korea's military and political apparatus would be shattered easily. The real problem comes with the humanitarian crises the world will uncover. I suspect that not since the Holocaust have people been so systematically oppressed and dehumanized. Which is more tragic? The loss of lives that may occur to change the status quo or the loss of lives and liberty and dignity that occur on a daily basis? Perhaps the biggest tragedy of all is that the state of affairs can only changed by the shedding of blood. However, with change will come growth. Korea and Japan recovered from mid-century wars with startling rapidity. Today's South Korea is remarkably free and culturally open compared with the South Korea of even 20 years ago, let alone 40 years ago. I can't even imagine how rapidly North Korea would just feet-first into the world of first-world countries. North Korea, with the right farming techniques and a gradual focus on infrastructure, could probably turn into an Asian powerhouse in less than 20 years if the right steps were taken. Every day people are dying in North Korea. They are being oppressed on a level that no one of us in the first world can possibly imagine. People are starving and the government will do nothing; many people are even forbidden from attempting to grow crops, and almost anything of value is immediately confiscated by the government at gunpoint. No wonder their attitude against the world is so hostile. They are simply extorting the world, trying to threaten us and using their own people as shields. It is the most despicable behavior and I, for one, cannot wait until the world wakes up and takes action against the people perpetrating these crimes against humanity on a daily basis. | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On January 25 2013 01:15 Warfie wrote: Since the general consensus in here seems to be that defending a missile attack from North Korea would be easy with the current defense systems of the US, can someone point me to a source? I'm reading about it on Wikipedia, but it can hardly said to be conclusive in either direction.. I just question the notion that it is nothing to even worry about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Dome Not precisely the same system I am sure but I imagine it very closely parallels the Israeli defense system. Given that this is designed to track and stop rockets that are travelling a fraction of the distance at a much lower atmosphere, extrapolating the system to a much larger scale with more tracking details would seem a relatively easy thing. | ||
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Warfie
Norway2846 Posts
On January 25 2013 01:17 ThomasjServo wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Dome Not precisely the same system I am sure but I imagine it very closely parallels the Israeli defense system. Given that this is designed to track and stop rockets that are travelling a fraction of the distance at a much lower atmosphere, extrapolating the system to a much larger scale with more tracking details would seem a relatively easy thing. This is far too vague to be called a source. The wikipedia article on missile defense in the US suggests that one of the problems with intercontinentinal ballistic missiles (ICBM) is their high altitude and more importantly their high speeds. In general short-range tactical ABMs cannot intercept ICBMs, even if within range. The tactical ABM radar and performance characteristics do not allow it, as an incoming ICBM warhead moves much faster than a tactical missile warhead. Source | ||
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ninini
Sweden1204 Posts
USA, who have sent over volunteer workers who is currently trying to help the NK economy to startup. USA, who is the only country in the six party talks that have really stressed the importance of helping the ppl in NK. South Korea, for instance seems mostly interested in preserving the status quo. They live in a fantasy world. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32746 Posts
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RavenLoud
Canada1100 Posts
I would like to see how Kim Jung Un handles things, and whether he will choose to undergo economic reform (ala China/Vietnam). Re-unification seems be a long way down the road. I don't even think that SK really wants to at the moment. | ||
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