EPTOn June 13 2018 10:51 KwarK wrote:
Sorry GH but this isn't true. It's poor because it's a corrupt dictatorship with an inefficient command economy focused around massive and constant military exertions. NK has a shitton of raw materials and used to be pretty rich. They've also had access to Chinese/Russian/Soviet imports for their entire history.
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On June 13 2018 06:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
I'm not sure what you're trying to say now?
It seems you understand how people can think the gap between the two morally and ethically isn't that large even if you swallow the western propaganda about NK whole without any thought.
It's poor because it's an enemy of capitalism with little natural resources to utilize and western imperialist powers have long been united in depriving them of everything they could.
On June 13 2018 06:16 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Every country has prisons. The US has more and the reasons people go are multifaceted. The War on Drugs was racially motivated and carried out by closet racists to break the PoC family and keep them from moving economically forward. A lot of broken homes were created and continue to be, because of it. Whereas, NK will lock you up for disagreeing with their views and whatever else they have going on in there.
The billionaires are free to do with their money as they feel. The US government cannot compel them to. The only way that gets fixed is to fix the tax code, which we both know will never happen. The US government can reduce aide to foreign nations and reduce the MIC, but we also know that won't happen any time soon.
The US is taken off of the world stage, how many civilians are killed? This is a sticky topic because it takes into account a lot of what-if statements or this-then-that statements. I would tread carefully.
I have never been to NK but from reports, the quality of life is about par for a mid-size city for the entire country of NK. When you're using human feces as fertilizer, it can't be all that great.
On June 13 2018 05:58 GreenHorizons wrote:
They have so much less money and resources than us but they still make sure everyone has somewhere to live. Meanwhile we have billionaires complaining about $50m/yr to help so people don't sleep under bridges and on the street. (that one meets your restrictions)
People repeat the propaganda about the camps, but they seem to forget the US has prisons full of prisoners where they just took things like cannabis and used it to justify their political imprisonment. The war on drugs was the US's way to crack down on political dissidents, then lock them up, and work em until they break.
A lot of the "America is Better" is just us spending more money on the whole thing to make it more palatable. No question the US has killed more civilians than NK. Especially when you count the ones we kill around the world.
I am positive NK is better than most here perceive it and the US worse than they want to believe.
On June 13 2018 04:14 Zaros wrote:
I'm Sorry but how is the US worse than a Slave state regime that locks you up and your entire family in a labour/concentration camp for speaking out in anyway different from the Regime way of thinking. A regime that starves its people to feed its military, a regime that will kill anyone who tries to leave, that has essentially brainwashed millions of people.
I don't understand what kind of warped world view you have to have to think North Korea is in any way or measure better than the US.
On June 13 2018 03:03 Lucumo wrote:
Which is what I just wrote in my post. GDP and being poor etc has nothing to do with anything I wrote. Well, you guessed mostly wrong. And what NK has or doesn't have is not relevant to the discussion as it's about this statement:
If you want to argue that the US is in any way better than NK or even not worse, then we can continue. Otherwise, there is no point.
You seem to also ignore the original statement Zaros made to which I replied. I pointed out that in "the great relationship with a mass murderer with crimes against humanity", the US is, if anything, actually the worse party.
Also, I got warned because I used "lazy ignorant". Interesting.
On June 13 2018 02:51 oBlade wrote:
North Korea hates the US because they are indoctrinated from birth into an ideology by a regime trying to cling to relevance while its neighbor is prospering. North Korea's GDP is comparable to the annual GDP growth of South Korea. The US is not the reason North Korea is poor and starving now. Your flippant mention of concentration camps which I assume is about Japanese internment in WW2, which if I were to guess your age with an average number ended at least two or almost three of your lifetimes ago, when 1% of the DPRK population at this very moment is in camps, it's a little tone-deaf, is that also the US's fault?
I think you're unknowingly trying to transplant a Vietnam mindset to the Korean peninsula which is out of place, and as far as I know Vietnam doesn't hate the US or anyway not to the degree North Korea does. Despite the larger and longer extent of US intervention in Vietnam. So something else is going on.
On June 13 2018 02:21 Lucumo wrote:
Apart from this partly being a general statement and putting all of the other US stuff aside (ranging from concentration camps over human experimentation to intentionally destabilizing entire regions)...you do know why North Korea hates the US, right? You know, the war crimes they committed...completely obliterating civilian towns, destroying dams, reservoirs (and thus farmland) etc which led to mass starvation. If you really don't know that, you have to be pretty ignorant in this day and age, considering that knowledge is openly available.
On June 13 2018 01:44 Aveng3r wrote:
Would you care to explain this statement?
On June 12 2018 22:01 Lucumo wrote:
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Why? If anything, the US is the worse party here. I also doubt they will ever apologize for what they have done to NK because, hey, they are the "good guys".
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Why? If anything, the US is the worse party here. I also doubt they will ever apologize for what they have done to NK because, hey, they are the "good guys".
Would you care to explain this statement?
On June 13 2018 01:56 Zaros wrote:
What the US has done? Communism and brutal dictatorship has reduced North Korea to what it is. The US just garuntees the independence of the south and sanctions the north as it would any country going for nukes
On June 12 2018 22:01 Lucumo wrote:
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Why? If anything, the US is the worse party here. I also doubt they will ever apologize for what they have done to NK because, hey, they are the "good guys".
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Why? If anything, the US is the worse party here. I also doubt they will ever apologize for what they have done to NK because, hey, they are the "good guys".
What the US has done? Communism and brutal dictatorship has reduced North Korea to what it is. The US just garuntees the independence of the south and sanctions the north as it would any country going for nukes
Apart from this partly being a general statement and putting all of the other US stuff aside (ranging from concentration camps over human experimentation to intentionally destabilizing entire regions)...you do know why North Korea hates the US, right? You know, the war crimes they committed...completely obliterating civilian towns, destroying dams, reservoirs (and thus farmland) etc which led to mass starvation. If you really don't know that, you have to be pretty ignorant in this day and age, considering that knowledge is openly available.
North Korea hates the US because they are indoctrinated from birth into an ideology by a regime trying to cling to relevance while its neighbor is prospering. North Korea's GDP is comparable to the annual GDP growth of South Korea. The US is not the reason North Korea is poor and starving now. Your flippant mention of concentration camps which I assume is about Japanese internment in WW2, which if I were to guess your age with an average number ended at least two or almost three of your lifetimes ago, when 1% of the DPRK population at this very moment is in camps, it's a little tone-deaf, is that also the US's fault?
I think you're unknowingly trying to transplant a Vietnam mindset to the Korean peninsula which is out of place, and as far as I know Vietnam doesn't hate the US or anyway not to the degree North Korea does. Despite the larger and longer extent of US intervention in Vietnam. So something else is going on.
Which is what I just wrote in my post. GDP and being poor etc has nothing to do with anything I wrote. Well, you guessed mostly wrong. And what NK has or doesn't have is not relevant to the discussion as it's about this statement:
On June 12 2018 15:09 Zaros wrote:
Am I the only one who finds it repulsive that the so called leader of the free world will not only make a deal but a public deal and talk about their great relationship with a mass murderer with crimes against humanity?
Am I the only one who finds it repulsive that the so called leader of the free world will not only make a deal but a public deal and talk about their great relationship with a mass murderer with crimes against humanity?
If you want to argue that the US is in any way better than NK or even not worse, then we can continue. Otherwise, there is no point.
On June 13 2018 02:59 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Your argument is nonsensical as it relates to this discussion. What the US has done throughout its short history is well documented and those who care to know, know. What does this have to do with anything US-NK related as of this moment? You can supplant US for Britain and have the same argument. Or interject Japan and Nanking. What is your point alluding to?
On June 13 2018 02:55 Lucumo wrote:
I mentioned everything you need to know, so that it's even easier for you to look it up. If anything, if you are American, you should already know about all these things.
The modern stuff is separate from the relationship between both countries. If you look at my first reply, the first sentence refers to the US in general. The second one wonders about the relationship part. The more modern stuff is mostly irrelevant to what NK thinks/uses.
I'm not going to post something more lengthy here, seeing as some users seem to be pretty...eh. It's actually pretty simple. The US gives the premise and basis by committing tons of atrocities, the NK regime builds on that, uses it. The US does more bad stuff elsewhere which can also be used, hence "mostly". So the hate has a solid ground and is well-justified but the regime keeps it alive (it has been quite some time after all) and tries to fuel it as that also supports them.
On June 13 2018 02:35 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Okay. Wow. So this is happening. Burden of proof is on you. You can't make a claim such as those and not have the proof to back it up.
On June 13 2018 02:32 Lucumo wrote:
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Or how about you actually inform yourself instead of being some lazy ignorant? The human experimentation stuff is well documented, as is the Korean. Same with concentration camps ranging from the more tame ones in WW2 to the ones used in the US-Philippine war. As for the destabilizing part...leaks help, as that is information you only get via that (the Syria Files are a good example for that).
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Or how about you actually inform yourself instead of being some lazy ignorant? The human experimentation stuff is well documented, as is the Korean. Same with concentration camps ranging from the more tame ones in WW2 to the ones used in the US-Philippine war. As for the destabilizing part...leaks help, as that is information you only get via that (the Syria Files are a good example for that).
Okay. Wow. So this is happening. Burden of proof is on you. You can't make a claim such as those and not have the proof to back it up.
I mentioned everything you need to know, so that it's even easier for you to look it up. If anything, if you are American, you should already know about all these things.
On June 13 2018 02:40 Plansix wrote:
So wait, are you saying that NK hates the US because of every bad thing the US did in modern history? Or all of our history? Not because we back South Korea after a Chinese backed North Korea nearly drove South Korea's army into the ocean? And we could have pushed all the way into North Korea at the time, but didn't because we knew China would become directly involved. And what it cost the president at the time to stop the war from continuing.
On June 13 2018 02:32 Lucumo wrote:
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Or how about you actually inform yourself instead of being some lazy ignorant? The human experimentation stuff is well documented, as is the Korean. Same with concentration camps ranging from the more tame ones in WW2 to the ones used in the US-Philippine war. As for the destabilizing part...leaks help, as that is information you only get via that (the Syria Files are a good example for that).
[quote]
Or how about you actually inform yourself instead of being some lazy ignorant? The human experimentation stuff is well documented, as is the Korean. Same with concentration camps ranging from the more tame ones in WW2 to the ones used in the US-Philippine war. As for the destabilizing part...leaks help, as that is information you only get via that (the Syria Files are a good example for that).
So wait, are you saying that NK hates the US because of every bad thing the US did in modern history? Or all of our history? Not because we back South Korea after a Chinese backed North Korea nearly drove South Korea's army into the ocean? And we could have pushed all the way into North Korea at the time, but didn't because we knew China would become directly involved. And what it cost the president at the time to stop the war from continuing.
The modern stuff is separate from the relationship between both countries. If you look at my first reply, the first sentence refers to the US in general. The second one wonders about the relationship part. The more modern stuff is mostly irrelevant to what NK thinks/uses.
I'm not going to post something more lengthy here, seeing as some users seem to be pretty...eh. It's actually pretty simple. The US gives the premise and basis by committing tons of atrocities, the NK regime builds on that, uses it. The US does more bad stuff elsewhere which can also be used, hence "mostly". So the hate has a solid ground and is well-justified but the regime keeps it alive (it has been quite some time after all) and tries to fuel it as that also supports them.
Your argument is nonsensical as it relates to this discussion. What the US has done throughout its short history is well documented and those who care to know, know. What does this have to do with anything US-NK related as of this moment? You can supplant US for Britain and have the same argument. Or interject Japan and Nanking. What is your point alluding to?
You seem to also ignore the original statement Zaros made to which I replied. I pointed out that in "the great relationship with a mass murderer with crimes against humanity", the US is, if anything, actually the worse party.
Also, I got warned because I used "lazy ignorant". Interesting.
I'm Sorry but how is the US worse than a Slave state regime that locks you up and your entire family in a labour/concentration camp for speaking out in anyway different from the Regime way of thinking. A regime that starves its people to feed its military, a regime that will kill anyone who tries to leave, that has essentially brainwashed millions of people.
I don't understand what kind of warped world view you have to have to think North Korea is in any way or measure better than the US.
They have so much less money and resources than us but they still make sure everyone has somewhere to live. Meanwhile we have billionaires complaining about $50m/yr to help so people don't sleep under bridges and on the street. (that one meets your restrictions)
People repeat the propaganda about the camps, but they seem to forget the US has prisons full of prisoners where they just took things like cannabis and used it to justify their political imprisonment. The war on drugs was the US's way to crack down on political dissidents, then lock them up, and work em until they break.
A lot of the "America is Better" is just us spending more money on the whole thing to make it more palatable. No question the US has killed more civilians than NK. Especially when you count the ones we kill around the world.
I am positive NK is better than most here perceive it and the US worse than they want to believe.
Every country has prisons. The US has more and the reasons people go are multifaceted. The War on Drugs was racially motivated and carried out by closet racists to break the PoC family and keep them from moving economically forward. A lot of broken homes were created and continue to be, because of it. Whereas, NK will lock you up for disagreeing with their views and whatever else they have going on in there.
The billionaires are free to do with their money as they feel. The US government cannot compel them to. The only way that gets fixed is to fix the tax code, which we both know will never happen. The US government can reduce aide to foreign nations and reduce the MIC, but we also know that won't happen any time soon.
The US is taken off of the world stage, how many civilians are killed? This is a sticky topic because it takes into account a lot of what-if statements or this-then-that statements. I would tread carefully.
I have never been to NK but from reports, the quality of life is about par for a mid-size city for the entire country of NK. When you're using human feces as fertilizer, it can't be all that great.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say now?
It seems you understand how people can think the gap between the two morally and ethically isn't that large even if you swallow the western propaganda about NK whole without any thought.
On June 13 2018 06:19 Zaros wrote:
While North Korea is probably never going to be as rich as the US the reason its poor is because its a communist/facist state before the Kims took over the North was more prosperous than the South now its the complete opposite.Trying to compare the US welfare system (or lack there of in your view) to North Korea is just sick its not propoganda read the UN report https://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/CoIDPRK/Pages/ReportoftheCommissionofInquiryDPRK.aspx
On June 13 2018 05:58 GreenHorizons wrote:
They have so much less money and resources than us but they still make sure everyone has somewhere to live. Meanwhile we have billionaires complaining about $50m/yr to help so people don't sleep under bridges and on the street. (that one meets your restrictions)
People repeat the propaganda about the camps, but they seem to forget the US has prisons full of prisoners where they just took things like cannabis and used it to justify their political imprisonment. The war on drugs was the US's way to crack down on political dissidents, then lock them up, and work em until they break.
A lot of the "America is Better" is just us spending more money on the whole thing to make it more palatable. No question the US has killed more civilians than NK. Especially when you count the ones we kill around the world.
I am positive NK is better than most here perceive it and the US worse than they want to believe.
On June 13 2018 04:14 Zaros wrote:
I'm Sorry but how is the US worse than a Slave state regime that locks you up and your entire family in a labour/concentration camp for speaking out in anyway different from the Regime way of thinking. A regime that starves its people to feed its military, a regime that will kill anyone who tries to leave, that has essentially brainwashed millions of people.
I don't understand what kind of warped world view you have to have to think North Korea is in any way or measure better than the US.
On June 13 2018 03:03 Lucumo wrote:
Which is what I just wrote in my post. GDP and being poor etc has nothing to do with anything I wrote. Well, you guessed mostly wrong. And what NK has or doesn't have is not relevant to the discussion as it's about this statement:
If you want to argue that the US is in any way better than NK or even not worse, then we can continue. Otherwise, there is no point.
You seem to also ignore the original statement Zaros made to which I replied. I pointed out that in "the great relationship with a mass murderer with crimes against humanity", the US is, if anything, actually the worse party.
Also, I got warned because I used "lazy ignorant". Interesting.
On June 13 2018 02:51 oBlade wrote:
North Korea hates the US because they are indoctrinated from birth into an ideology by a regime trying to cling to relevance while its neighbor is prospering. North Korea's GDP is comparable to the annual GDP growth of South Korea. The US is not the reason North Korea is poor and starving now. Your flippant mention of concentration camps which I assume is about Japanese internment in WW2, which if I were to guess your age with an average number ended at least two or almost three of your lifetimes ago, when 1% of the DPRK population at this very moment is in camps, it's a little tone-deaf, is that also the US's fault?
I think you're unknowingly trying to transplant a Vietnam mindset to the Korean peninsula which is out of place, and as far as I know Vietnam doesn't hate the US or anyway not to the degree North Korea does. Despite the larger and longer extent of US intervention in Vietnam. So something else is going on.
On June 13 2018 02:21 Lucumo wrote:
Apart from this partly being a general statement and putting all of the other US stuff aside (ranging from concentration camps over human experimentation to intentionally destabilizing entire regions)...you do know why North Korea hates the US, right? You know, the war crimes they committed...completely obliterating civilian towns, destroying dams, reservoirs (and thus farmland) etc which led to mass starvation. If you really don't know that, you have to be pretty ignorant in this day and age, considering that knowledge is openly available.
On June 13 2018 01:44 Aveng3r wrote:
Would you care to explain this statement?
On June 12 2018 22:01 Lucumo wrote:
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Why? If anything, the US is the worse party here. I also doubt they will ever apologize for what they have done to NK because, hey, they are the "good guys".
[quote]
Why? If anything, the US is the worse party here. I also doubt they will ever apologize for what they have done to NK because, hey, they are the "good guys".
Would you care to explain this statement?
On June 13 2018 01:56 Zaros wrote:
What the US has done? Communism and brutal dictatorship has reduced North Korea to what it is. The US just garuntees the independence of the south and sanctions the north as it would any country going for nukes
On June 12 2018 22:01 Lucumo wrote:
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Why? If anything, the US is the worse party here. I also doubt they will ever apologize for what they have done to NK because, hey, they are the "good guys".
[quote]
Why? If anything, the US is the worse party here. I also doubt they will ever apologize for what they have done to NK because, hey, they are the "good guys".
What the US has done? Communism and brutal dictatorship has reduced North Korea to what it is. The US just garuntees the independence of the south and sanctions the north as it would any country going for nukes
Apart from this partly being a general statement and putting all of the other US stuff aside (ranging from concentration camps over human experimentation to intentionally destabilizing entire regions)...you do know why North Korea hates the US, right? You know, the war crimes they committed...completely obliterating civilian towns, destroying dams, reservoirs (and thus farmland) etc which led to mass starvation. If you really don't know that, you have to be pretty ignorant in this day and age, considering that knowledge is openly available.
North Korea hates the US because they are indoctrinated from birth into an ideology by a regime trying to cling to relevance while its neighbor is prospering. North Korea's GDP is comparable to the annual GDP growth of South Korea. The US is not the reason North Korea is poor and starving now. Your flippant mention of concentration camps which I assume is about Japanese internment in WW2, which if I were to guess your age with an average number ended at least two or almost three of your lifetimes ago, when 1% of the DPRK population at this very moment is in camps, it's a little tone-deaf, is that also the US's fault?
I think you're unknowingly trying to transplant a Vietnam mindset to the Korean peninsula which is out of place, and as far as I know Vietnam doesn't hate the US or anyway not to the degree North Korea does. Despite the larger and longer extent of US intervention in Vietnam. So something else is going on.
Which is what I just wrote in my post. GDP and being poor etc has nothing to do with anything I wrote. Well, you guessed mostly wrong. And what NK has or doesn't have is not relevant to the discussion as it's about this statement:
On June 12 2018 15:09 Zaros wrote:
Am I the only one who finds it repulsive that the so called leader of the free world will not only make a deal but a public deal and talk about their great relationship with a mass murderer with crimes against humanity?
Am I the only one who finds it repulsive that the so called leader of the free world will not only make a deal but a public deal and talk about their great relationship with a mass murderer with crimes against humanity?
If you want to argue that the US is in any way better than NK or even not worse, then we can continue. Otherwise, there is no point.
On June 13 2018 02:59 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Your argument is nonsensical as it relates to this discussion. What the US has done throughout its short history is well documented and those who care to know, know. What does this have to do with anything US-NK related as of this moment? You can supplant US for Britain and have the same argument. Or interject Japan and Nanking. What is your point alluding to?
On June 13 2018 02:55 Lucumo wrote:
I mentioned everything you need to know, so that it's even easier for you to look it up. If anything, if you are American, you should already know about all these things.
The modern stuff is separate from the relationship between both countries. If you look at my first reply, the first sentence refers to the US in general. The second one wonders about the relationship part. The more modern stuff is mostly irrelevant to what NK thinks/uses.
I'm not going to post something more lengthy here, seeing as some users seem to be pretty...eh. It's actually pretty simple. The US gives the premise and basis by committing tons of atrocities, the NK regime builds on that, uses it. The US does more bad stuff elsewhere which can also be used, hence "mostly". So the hate has a solid ground and is well-justified but the regime keeps it alive (it has been quite some time after all) and tries to fuel it as that also supports them.
On June 13 2018 02:35 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Okay. Wow. So this is happening. Burden of proof is on you. You can't make a claim such as those and not have the proof to back it up.
On June 13 2018 02:32 Lucumo wrote:
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Or how about you actually inform yourself instead of being some lazy ignorant? The human experimentation stuff is well documented, as is the Korean. Same with concentration camps ranging from the more tame ones in WW2 to the ones used in the US-Philippine war. As for the destabilizing part...leaks help, as that is information you only get via that (the Syria Files are a good example for that).
[quote]
Or how about you actually inform yourself instead of being some lazy ignorant? The human experimentation stuff is well documented, as is the Korean. Same with concentration camps ranging from the more tame ones in WW2 to the ones used in the US-Philippine war. As for the destabilizing part...leaks help, as that is information you only get via that (the Syria Files are a good example for that).
Okay. Wow. So this is happening. Burden of proof is on you. You can't make a claim such as those and not have the proof to back it up.
I mentioned everything you need to know, so that it's even easier for you to look it up. If anything, if you are American, you should already know about all these things.
On June 13 2018 02:40 Plansix wrote:
So wait, are you saying that NK hates the US because of every bad thing the US did in modern history? Or all of our history? Not because we back South Korea after a Chinese backed North Korea nearly drove South Korea's army into the ocean? And we could have pushed all the way into North Korea at the time, but didn't because we knew China would become directly involved. And what it cost the president at the time to stop the war from continuing.
On June 13 2018 02:32 Lucumo wrote:
[quote]
Or how about you actually inform yourself instead of being some lazy ignorant? The human experimentation stuff is well documented, as is the Korean. Same with concentration camps ranging from the more tame ones in WW2 to the ones used in the US-Philippine war. As for the destabilizing part...leaks help, as that is information you only get via that (the Syria Files are a good example for that).
[quote]
Or how about you actually inform yourself instead of being some lazy ignorant? The human experimentation stuff is well documented, as is the Korean. Same with concentration camps ranging from the more tame ones in WW2 to the ones used in the US-Philippine war. As for the destabilizing part...leaks help, as that is information you only get via that (the Syria Files are a good example for that).
So wait, are you saying that NK hates the US because of every bad thing the US did in modern history? Or all of our history? Not because we back South Korea after a Chinese backed North Korea nearly drove South Korea's army into the ocean? And we could have pushed all the way into North Korea at the time, but didn't because we knew China would become directly involved. And what it cost the president at the time to stop the war from continuing.
The modern stuff is separate from the relationship between both countries. If you look at my first reply, the first sentence refers to the US in general. The second one wonders about the relationship part. The more modern stuff is mostly irrelevant to what NK thinks/uses.
I'm not going to post something more lengthy here, seeing as some users seem to be pretty...eh. It's actually pretty simple. The US gives the premise and basis by committing tons of atrocities, the NK regime builds on that, uses it. The US does more bad stuff elsewhere which can also be used, hence "mostly". So the hate has a solid ground and is well-justified but the regime keeps it alive (it has been quite some time after all) and tries to fuel it as that also supports them.
Your argument is nonsensical as it relates to this discussion. What the US has done throughout its short history is well documented and those who care to know, know. What does this have to do with anything US-NK related as of this moment? You can supplant US for Britain and have the same argument. Or interject Japan and Nanking. What is your point alluding to?
You seem to also ignore the original statement Zaros made to which I replied. I pointed out that in "the great relationship with a mass murderer with crimes against humanity", the US is, if anything, actually the worse party.
Also, I got warned because I used "lazy ignorant". Interesting.
I'm Sorry but how is the US worse than a Slave state regime that locks you up and your entire family in a labour/concentration camp for speaking out in anyway different from the Regime way of thinking. A regime that starves its people to feed its military, a regime that will kill anyone who tries to leave, that has essentially brainwashed millions of people.
I don't understand what kind of warped world view you have to have to think North Korea is in any way or measure better than the US.
They have so much less money and resources than us but they still make sure everyone has somewhere to live. Meanwhile we have billionaires complaining about $50m/yr to help so people don't sleep under bridges and on the street. (that one meets your restrictions)
People repeat the propaganda about the camps, but they seem to forget the US has prisons full of prisoners where they just took things like cannabis and used it to justify their political imprisonment. The war on drugs was the US's way to crack down on political dissidents, then lock them up, and work em until they break.
A lot of the "America is Better" is just us spending more money on the whole thing to make it more palatable. No question the US has killed more civilians than NK. Especially when you count the ones we kill around the world.
I am positive NK is better than most here perceive it and the US worse than they want to believe.
While North Korea is probably never going to be as rich as the US the reason its poor is because its a communist/facist state before the Kims took over the North was more prosperous than the South now its the complete opposite.Trying to compare the US welfare system (or lack there of in your view) to North Korea is just sick its not propoganda read the UN report https://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/CoIDPRK/Pages/ReportoftheCommissionofInquiryDPRK.aspx
It's poor because it's an enemy of capitalism with little natural resources to utilize and western imperialist powers have long been united in depriving them of everything they could.
Sorry GH but this isn't true. It's poor because it's a corrupt dictatorship with an inefficient command economy focused around massive and constant military exertions. NK has a shitton of raw materials and used to be pretty rich. They've also had access to Chinese/Russian/Soviet imports for their entire history.
You're right that it's very much a combination of factors. It's just not as if it doesn't have countless examples of what happens if your a nation in opposition of the US without sufficient military deterrents.
So when he builds a missile and demonstrates it works it's not for nothing. It's deliberately to demonstrate that they in fact, despite decades of abuse, have the capacity to defend themselves in a way that makes forcing regime change an unacceptable outcome (though Trump's rhetoric got us pretty close).
When you say their poor because of resources devoted to military endeavors you're doing it in a way that neglects the real threat they face.
We could berate a poor isolated nation for it's resource management, but we'd be better served paying a bit more attention to the plank in our own eye.
