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Eben
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States769 Posts
April 02 2013 17:46 GMT
#1341
On April 03 2013 01:49 Essbee wrote:
Message from Anonymous against NK: http://htmlpaste.com/a632c09068de1af2ea20d2f4f74cd081a74b3000 (Taken from http://live.reuters.com/Event/North_Korea)

What do you guys think?


how embarrassing, what kind of ignorant person wrote that?
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
April 02 2013 17:58 GMT
#1342
On April 03 2013 02:03 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Oh my god, Anonymous... that's just sad. Seriously. I'm fifteen and I see how naive that is :/


maybe a 13 yr old wrote it XD
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-02 18:51:38
April 02 2013 18:48 GMT
#1343
On April 02 2013 23:45 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 23:31 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On April 02 2013 19:54 xM(Z wrote:
On April 02 2013 18:48 darkness wrote:
On April 02 2013 18:27 Zeo wrote:
On April 02 2013 18:05 darkness wrote:
On April 02 2013 17:39 Zeo wrote:
Reading about Chinese involvement got me thinking.
If China were to occupy/annex NK in the near future and force them into adopting 'Chinese communism' with all its reforms would that be a step forward or a step back?


In my opinion, it depends.

Step forward for world peace (no more silly threats like now) and North Koreans (because they may finally eat better and more).
Step back for USA (or the West). I doubt they want bigger China. They'd rather have smaller and weaker enemies in the future.

Overall, step forward as long as China & the rest of the world have an ok relationship.

Btw, good question.

I don't really think it would make China stronger per say, North Korea would be more of a burden than anything else. In reality China is the only country that the North Koreans would 'trust' with their sovereignty if you get what I'm saying.
Something like full autonomy within China with an option for a referendum for unification with the South in 20 years would be best.
EDIT: Or independence under the complete and utter control of China (kind of like Puerto Rico), still it will take 20 years to make everything within NK's territory function 'normally' again


They may be a burden, but it may eventually pay off once things settle down. Anyway, I think it is unlikely for China to want/help both Koreas to be united. What do they gain?

if SK breaks ties with US/west, China might 'give' them the north.


Impossible. SK is under our dominion. It's not possible for them to "break ties".


They're in the sphere of influence not your dominion lol.

Why wouldn't they be able to break ties? It would just be extremely dumb to do it but I don't doubt they can.

Hegemonic imperialism has simply replaced territorial imperialism. Saying it's a "sphere of influence" is just nitpicking :/. Under dominion not only sounds better anyhow, in political, military, and/or economic terms, it is effectively how hegemonic imperialism works to a strong degree.

But yes, extremely dumb is correct (although it is a bit of an understatement). The same goes for Europe, Canada, Japan, and whatever other holdings we have.
HackBenjamin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1094 Posts
April 02 2013 18:51 GMT
#1344
On April 03 2013 02:58 jinorazi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 02:03 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Oh my god, Anonymous... that's just sad. Seriously. I'm fifteen and I see how naive that is :/


maybe a 13 yr old wrote it XD


Or maybe someone who doesn't speak english as a first language.
iMAniaC
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway703 Posts
April 02 2013 18:51 GMT
#1345
On April 03 2013 02:58 jinorazi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 02:03 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Oh my god, Anonymous... that's just sad. Seriously. I'm fifteen and I see how naive that is :/


maybe a 13 yr old wrote it XD


On the other hand: At least he cares. Too many people just don't give a flying to whatever happens outside their borders. If he's still as passionate about right and wrong when he grows up, maybe he'll actually make a change for the better.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18845 Posts
April 02 2013 18:53 GMT
#1346
Whelp, with that tremendous bit of persuasion put out by Anon, I guess NK will surrender all military threat in short order. I mean, what other choice do they have?
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
April 02 2013 18:55 GMT
#1347
Lol. They shoudl DDOS North Korea. *facepalm*
They're hardly helping.
Eben
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States769 Posts
April 02 2013 18:58 GMT
#1348
I like the part where they call for uncensored internet for all the people of North Korea. Do you think they realize that the country doesn't even have the infrastructure to provide even their censored internet to everyone?
Exigaet
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada355 Posts
April 02 2013 19:06 GMT
#1349
On April 03 2013 01:41 Jan1997 wrote:
Thats quite a large ship :p. The eggshaped thing on top is the radar right?


Whenever the ship gets to it's destination, it will submerge itself just enough to that the flotation devices on the radar platform raise it off the ship so it can move under it's own power.. After that, the platform will be able to move around freely.
MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
April 02 2013 19:09 GMT
#1350
On April 03 2013 03:48 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 23:45 RvB wrote:
On April 02 2013 23:31 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On April 02 2013 19:54 xM(Z wrote:
On April 02 2013 18:48 darkness wrote:
On April 02 2013 18:27 Zeo wrote:
On April 02 2013 18:05 darkness wrote:
On April 02 2013 17:39 Zeo wrote:
Reading about Chinese involvement got me thinking.
If China were to occupy/annex NK in the near future and force them into adopting 'Chinese communism' with all its reforms would that be a step forward or a step back?


In my opinion, it depends.

Step forward for world peace (no more silly threats like now) and North Koreans (because they may finally eat better and more).
Step back for USA (or the West). I doubt they want bigger China. They'd rather have smaller and weaker enemies in the future.

Overall, step forward as long as China & the rest of the world have an ok relationship.

Btw, good question.

I don't really think it would make China stronger per say, North Korea would be more of a burden than anything else. In reality China is the only country that the North Koreans would 'trust' with their sovereignty if you get what I'm saying.
Something like full autonomy within China with an option for a referendum for unification with the South in 20 years would be best.
EDIT: Or independence under the complete and utter control of China (kind of like Puerto Rico), still it will take 20 years to make everything within NK's territory function 'normally' again


They may be a burden, but it may eventually pay off once things settle down. Anyway, I think it is unlikely for China to want/help both Koreas to be united. What do they gain?

if SK breaks ties with US/west, China might 'give' them the north.


Impossible. SK is under our dominion. It's not possible for them to "break ties".


They're in the sphere of influence not your dominion lol.

Why wouldn't they be able to break ties? It would just be extremely dumb to do it but I don't doubt they can.

Hegemonic imperialism has simply replaced territorial imperialism. Saying it's a "sphere of influence" is just nitpicking :/. Under dominion not only sounds better anyhow, in political, military, and/or economic terms, it is effectively how hegemonic imperialism works to a strong degree.

But yes, extremely dumb is correct (although it is a bit of an understatement). The same goes for Europe, Canada, Japan, and whatever other holdings we have.



I read an article a few years ago in which an alleged poll among South Korea's military cadets showed that when cadets were asked to name South Korea's main enemy, 34% chose the United States, more than the 33% who selected North Korea.

There is a inkling of truth, however little, to accusations of North Korean propaganda that the South Korean government is an American puppet regime. This is does not apply to domestic policy, but the American connection does severely restrict the independence of South Korea's foreign policy.

As I recall, the standoff between the Bush administration and Pyongyang practically subsumed the attempts by the Roh government to establish an independent policy vis-a-vis north Korea. I did not understand then, and I do not understand now, how trans-pacific solidarity can be built on the back of an 'America First' policy on the Korean peninsula.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
April 02 2013 19:21 GMT
#1351
On April 03 2013 01:49 Essbee wrote:
Message from Anonymous against NK: http://htmlpaste.com/a632c09068de1af2ea20d2f4f74cd081a74b3000 (Taken from http://live.reuters.com/Event/North_Korea)

What do you guys think?


Seems like the reigns of Anon have been handed down to the remaining 12 year olds that still lurk 4chan.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
owiewestside
Profile Joined April 2013
United States4 Posts
April 02 2013 19:24 GMT
#1352
North Korea is kind of like a one base Terran... I thought Koreans were supposed to be good at strategy?? I guess its a southern thing, like Ice tea in the US.
"Don't be paralysed by inaction."
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5298 Posts
April 02 2013 19:25 GMT
#1353
a future unified Korea cuts a deal with BRICS (free trade agreement) and it's gg US.
also, poor Japan , alone and with no real army.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Attica
Profile Joined February 2010
United States277 Posts
April 02 2013 19:25 GMT
#1354
I have a question. Please understand that I am a political noob and don't know much about it all. I'm just wondering if there's a possibility that China would be using NK as a puppet to start this war? Does China have anything to gain if there actually is a war? Also what are the ramifications for China if they chose to break their defense treaty with NK? I doubt the world would care but would it be bad for them?
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
April 02 2013 19:34 GMT
#1355
On April 03 2013 01:53 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 01:49 Essbee wrote:
Message from Anonymous against NK: http://htmlpaste.com/a632c09068de1af2ea20d2f4f74cd081a74b3000 (Taken from http://live.reuters.com/Event/North_Korea)

What do you guys think?

So amateurish I can't even take it seriously.


Can't anyone just say they're from anonymous and then post anything they want?
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-02 19:35:01
April 02 2013 19:34 GMT
#1356
On April 03 2013 04:25 Attica wrote:
I have a question. Please understand that I am a political noob and don't know much about it all. I'm just wondering if there's a possibility that China would be using NK as a puppet to start this war? Does China have anything to gain if there actually is a war? Also what are the ramifications for China if they chose to break their defense treaty with NK? I doubt the world would care but would it be bad for them?

the gains will be based on who wins that war because all pre-war plans can go up in smoke
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Eben
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States769 Posts
April 02 2013 19:38 GMT
#1357
On April 03 2013 04:25 Attica wrote:
I have a question. Please understand that I am a political noob and don't know much about it all. I'm just wondering if there's a possibility that China would be using NK as a puppet to start this war? Does China have anything to gain if there actually is a war? Also what are the ramifications for China if they chose to break their defense treaty with NK? I doubt the world would care but would it be bad for them?



I too am a noob, however i can't see anything china has to gain from a war with the united states. Maybe someone else can elaborate further
kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
April 02 2013 19:39 GMT
#1358
On April 03 2013 03:51 iMAniaC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 02:58 jinorazi wrote:
On April 03 2013 02:03 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Oh my god, Anonymous... that's just sad. Seriously. I'm fifteen and I see how naive that is :/


maybe a 13 yr old wrote it XD


On the other hand: At least he cares. Too many people just don't give a flying to whatever happens outside their borders. If he's still as passionate about right and wrong when he grows up, maybe he'll actually make a change for the better.


Sometimes I wish we had a "like" button on TL. Sometimes.
| (• ◡•)|╯ ╰(❍ᴥ❍ʋ)
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-02 20:13:05
April 02 2013 19:56 GMT
#1359
On April 03 2013 03:48 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 23:45 RvB wrote:
On April 02 2013 23:31 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On April 02 2013 19:54 xM(Z wrote:
On April 02 2013 18:48 darkness wrote:
On April 02 2013 18:27 Zeo wrote:
On April 02 2013 18:05 darkness wrote:
On April 02 2013 17:39 Zeo wrote:
Reading about Chinese involvement got me thinking.
If China were to occupy/annex NK in the near future and force them into adopting 'Chinese communism' with all its reforms would that be a step forward or a step back?


In my opinion, it depends.

Step forward for world peace (no more silly threats like now) and North Koreans (because they may finally eat better and more).
Step back for USA (or the West). I doubt they want bigger China. They'd rather have smaller and weaker enemies in the future.

Overall, step forward as long as China & the rest of the world have an ok relationship.

Btw, good question.

I don't really think it would make China stronger per say, North Korea would be more of a burden than anything else. In reality China is the only country that the North Koreans would 'trust' with their sovereignty if you get what I'm saying.
Something like full autonomy within China with an option for a referendum for unification with the South in 20 years would be best.
EDIT: Or independence under the complete and utter control of China (kind of like Puerto Rico), still it will take 20 years to make everything within NK's territory function 'normally' again


They may be a burden, but it may eventually pay off once things settle down. Anyway, I think it is unlikely for China to want/help both Koreas to be united. What do they gain?

if SK breaks ties with US/west, China might 'give' them the north.


Impossible. SK is under our dominion. It's not possible for them to "break ties".


They're in the sphere of influence not your dominion lol.

Why wouldn't they be able to break ties? It would just be extremely dumb to do it but I don't doubt they can.

Hegemonic imperialism has simply replaced territorial imperialism. Saying it's a "sphere of influence" is just nitpicking :/. Under dominion not only sounds better anyhow, in political, military, and/or economic terms, it is effectively how hegemonic imperialism works to a strong degree.

But yes, extremely dumb is correct (although it is a bit of an understatement). The same goes for Europe, Canada, Japan, and whatever other holdings we have.


Every time I see you post anything in the general forum it is about "imperialism'. Literally like 80% of your posts looking at your profile, not matter what the topic, lol. You are the most boring poster on all of TL.

Anyway, that anon post really is funny and kind of cute. I can almost imagine a really young nerd version of George Bush writing it... besides the USA is crooks part of course. Sadly for Anon I think 99% of of the NK population, even if they were to read it, would be very confused considering they've probably never even heard of the internet and certainly not the "good guys" from it.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
April 02 2013 19:57 GMT
#1360
On April 03 2013 04:25 Attica wrote:
I have a question. Please understand that I am a political noob and don't know much about it all. I'm just wondering if there's a possibility that China would be using NK as a puppet to start this war? Does China have anything to gain if there actually is a war? Also what are the ramifications for China if they chose to break their defense treaty with NK? I doubt the world would care but would it be bad for them?


noone gains anything from a war between two major nuclear armed nations.


Luckily the leaders of those nations know this just as well.
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