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On April 04 2013 06:19 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +BBC Breaking News @BBCBreaking
North Korea Army statement to state news agency says it has approval for military strikes on US, including using nuclear weapons Show nested quote +Reuters Top News @Reuters
North Korea “formally informs” U.S. that it has “ratified” strike, possibly involving “diversified nuclear strike”: KCNA #breaking The moment of explosion is approaching fast," the North Korean military said, warning that war could break out "today or tomorrow".N. Korea approves nuclear strike on United States
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This is getting ridiculous. It reminds me of a kid who keeps poking a sleeping dog with a stick until eventually the kid gets bit. North Korea should consider chilling the **** out for a bit.
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I think NK is waiting for the USA or SK to 'crack' under the pressure and make some kind of an offer to reduce the tension. I don't think this will work. Their bluff will be called.
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On April 04 2013 07:36 micronesia wrote:
I think NK is waiting for the USA or SK to 'crack' under the pressure and make some kind of an offer to reduce the tension. I don't think this will work. Their bluff will be called.
I agree 100%. I can smell the bullsh*t all the way over here.
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On April 04 2013 07:36 micronesia wrote:
I think NK is waiting for the USA or SK to 'crack' under the pressure and make some kind of an offer to reduce the tension. I don't think this will work. Their bluff will be called.
I think at this point North Korea has went to far to back down now and, its a matter of time before they do something. The US is just playing defensive right now to cover their bases but in doing so is putting pressure on NK. This move and counter/counter move is going to back NK into a corner it seems. When this happens I worry what the next step is going to be.
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The saddest thing about all this is no matter what happens, a lot of people are going to die. The longer NK stays around the more north koreans will end up dead from execution, forced labour or human experimentation due to not sacrificing their humanity to be cogs in a machine.
When it inevitably breaks, a lot more people will die, both in the fighting and in the period after when the psychological devastation that the culture of NK has wrought will cause incredible tension between the re-integrating people of north/south korea, if they decide to try and re-integrate, which I'm pretty sure they will. IF NK rolls some shitty low tech nuke strategy out that surprises SK, even suboptimal as it will be it'll probably kill a few thousand korean civilians and cause a lot of environmental damage.
That's the worst bit about listening to all this purile bullshit coming out of NK right now. Every word is another corpse.
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It's really curious, normally the US wouldn't be able to attack NK, because of China. But North Korean threats are reaching the level where the US could strike and claim self-defense. I mean, the North Korean leadership is actually taking significant risk by doing this. They are eroding China's capacity to intervene on their behalf.
The logical conclusion seems to be that they think the alternative is worse. I.e the regime is close to collapse or they assume the US would invade anyway and preemptive agression would be beneficial somehow. Or maybe they fear a Chinese takeover and think that by ramping up the conflict level a Chinese intervention would come across as 'losing face' or bowing to US pressure.
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If they can keep the threats going for another month, the joint drill with US and SK will be over and the Kim regime can victoriously claim that the enemies backed down in fear of the overwhelming power of NK's nukes. Toward the end of the month, they could even give a deadline (say the day after the drill ends) for the enemy to back down and that way, they wouldn't have to come up with new ways to get ever readier for war until the drills are over and instead, they could just remind the world that one less day remains before their alloted time is up, making it seem like a new threat every day. And then, when the enemy finally backs down it's been proven that the might of NK is so great that they don't even need Yongbyon Nuclear Refinement Center to be operative anymore, then the gloriously victorious and compassionate Kim could graciosuly allow the beaten enemy to offer him and all of the glorious nation of NK lots and lots of food.
Hey, it could work, unless someone does something incredibly stupid.
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On April 04 2013 08:47 hypercube wrote:
It's really curious, normally the US wouldn't be able to attack NK, because of China. But North Korean threats are reaching the level where the US could strike and claim self-defense. I mean, the North Korean leadership is actually taking significant risk by doing this. They are eroding China's capacity to intervene on their behalf.
The logical conclusion seems to be that they think the alternative is worse. I.e the regime is close to collapse or they assume the US would invade anyway and preemptive agression would be beneficial somehow. Or maybe they fear a Chinese takeover and think that by ramping up the conflict level a Chinese intervention would come across as 'losing face' or bowing to US pressure.
The US isn't going to ever attack NK. We've taken a lot of heat from other engagements elsewhere in the world, and have a democratic president and economic concerns of our own. We're going to allow NK to make a lot of noise (good for Kim Jong Un's control and power), give some nominal tribute (as they call our food donations, and as they really are... what else do you call something you give someone so they don't attack?). This all looks like a fairly carefully timed and calculated move by NK, and is quite likely to be wholly successful, as most of their previous bellicosity has been.
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This is a dumb question, but it also seems the most important one to me....
Let's assume NK has at least one working, small nuke and the technology to at least send it to SK. I don't think that's unrealistic.
Is there any kind of missile defense in the peninsula that could deal with it? Or do we just have to assume that Seoul will eat it if NK follows through before being obliterated?
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On April 04 2013 09:07 Winterfell wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 08:47 hypercube wrote:
It's really curious, normally the US wouldn't be able to attack NK, because of China. But North Korean threats are reaching the level where the US could strike and claim self-defense. I mean, the North Korean leadership is actually taking significant risk by doing this. They are eroding China's capacity to intervene on their behalf.
The logical conclusion seems to be that they think the alternative is worse. I.e the regime is close to collapse or they assume the US would invade anyway and preemptive agression would be beneficial somehow. Or maybe they fear a Chinese takeover and think that by ramping up the conflict level a Chinese intervention would come across as 'losing face' or bowing to US pressure. The US isn't going to ever attack NK. We've taken a lot of heat from other engagements elsewhere in the world, and have a democratic president and economic concerns of our own. We're going to allow NK to make a lot of noise (good for Kim Jong Un's control and power), give some nominal tribute (as they call our food donations, and as they really are... what else do you call something you give someone so they don't attack?). This all looks like a fairly carefully timed and calculated move by NK, and is quite likely to be wholly successful, as most of their previous bellicosity has been.
Obama being a Democrat has nothing to do with how the US handles North Korea. Obama has been at least as heavy handed as Bush in foreign affairs.
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This is a dumb question, but it also seems the most important one to me....
Let's assume NK has at least one working, small nuke and the technology to at least send it to SK. I don't think that's unrealistic.
Is there any kind of missile defense in the peninsula that could deal with it? Or do we just have to assume that Seoul will eat it if NK follows through before being obliterated?
pril 04 2013 09:14 Belisarius wrote:
I am pretty sure that most people do not think there would be enough time to react to a nuclear missile launched at S. Korea. I don't think N Korea has managed to shrink their nukes to a size small enough to be launched with a missile though.
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On April 04 2013 09:26 feanor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 09:07 Winterfell wrote:On April 04 2013 08:47 hypercube wrote:
It's really curious, normally the US wouldn't be able to attack NK, because of China. But North Korean threats are reaching the level where the US could strike and claim self-defense. I mean, the North Korean leadership is actually taking significant risk by doing this. They are eroding China's capacity to intervene on their behalf.
The logical conclusion seems to be that they think the alternative is worse. I.e the regime is close to collapse or they assume the US would invade anyway and preemptive agression would be beneficial somehow. Or maybe they fear a Chinese takeover and think that by ramping up the conflict level a Chinese intervention would come across as 'losing face' or bowing to US pressure. The US isn't going to ever attack NK. We've taken a lot of heat from other engagements elsewhere in the world, and have a democratic president and economic concerns of our own. We're going to allow NK to make a lot of noise (good for Kim Jong Un's control and power), give some nominal tribute (as they call our food donations, and as they really are... what else do you call something you give someone so they don't attack?). This all looks like a fairly carefully timed and calculated move by NK, and is quite likely to be wholly successful, as most of their previous bellicosity has been. Obama being a Democrat has nothing to do with how the US handles North Korea. Obama has been at least as heavy handed as Bush in foreign affairs. Show nested quote +On A
This is a dumb question, but it also seems the most important one to me....
Let's assume NK has at least one working, small nuke and the technology to at least send it to SK. I don't think that's unrealistic.
Is there any kind of missile defense in the peninsula that could deal with it? Or do we just have to assume that Seoul will eat it if NK follows through before being obliterated? pril 04 2013 09:14 Belisarius wrote: I am pretty sure that most people do not think there would be enough time to react to a nuclear missile launched at S. Korea. I don't think N Korea has managed to shrink their nukes to a size small enough to be launched with a missile though.
President Obama may have authorised interventions into sovereign states, but nothing he's done can compare to the full scale invasion of Iraq.
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On April 04 2013 06:26 bohus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 04:25 Attica wrote:
I have a question. Please understand that I am a political noob and don't know much about it all. I'm just wondering if there's a possibility that China would be using NK as a puppet to start this war? Does China have anything to gain if there actually is a war? Also what are the ramifications for China if they chose to break their defense treaty with NK? I doubt the world would care but would it be bad for them? The People's Republic of China is not going to start any war. They do not want to get painted as The Red Menace. And they do not have to. Everything they are doing right now (The Scramble for Africa part II, Asserting its dominance on home front) can be achieved in peace. They have money and do not have burdening military. On the other hand, the USA have stagnating economy and powerfull army. But even as America hangs in the balance, she is still the most powerfull state in the world. All they(China) have to do is wait. Wait untill her rivals dissolve themself with their own economical stupidity. Newspapers and TV chanels may say something, but leaders of the "Axis of Evil" are not paranoid madmen (Maybe they are, but they have a good reason to be). They (North Korean leaders) know what is in stake, they know how powerfull their enemies are. They, and this is important, have witnessed brutal American bombardment in The Korean War and they remember genocide of South Korean communists and leftists. But there will be no war as long as The USA are backing the South and PRC is backing the North. The USA ,even with full might, can't defeat China on her own soil and China is not quite interested (I can imagine embargo on export, isolation, whatever). In case of war, china could loose her ally, perhaps doubtfull, but ally nontheless. Much better then unified American puppet (cf Iran possition in regards of Iraq and Afghanistan). I would liken this to The Berlin Crisis or The Cuban Crisis. Few people want it, but all it takes is a decision of a one man. This is how I see it.
You talk as if american involvement in the korean war was somehow a bad thing. And south korea is not a puppet of the US, nor is a unified korea. Are you north korean? Or support south korean left-wing labor parties? Because only those people use that word.
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On April 04 2013 09:14 Belisarius wrote:
This is a dumb question, but it also seems the most important one to me....
Let's assume NK has at least one working, small nuke and the technology to at least send it to SK. I don't think that's unrealistic.
Is there any kind of missile defense in the peninsula that could deal with it? Or do we just have to assume that Seoul will eat it if NK follows through before being obliterated?
Not a dumb question at all. I was looking into this very recently.
South Korea and Japan have been well prepared for possible missile attacks from North Korea for a while. They have a Phased Array Tracking Radar (aka. Patriot) system which was initially designed to take down North Korean aircraft in case of an attack in the 70s, but it was later upgraded to be able to take down ballistic missiles with warheads that explode and release shrapnel within close proximity of its target. The launcher/radar itself is has the added bonus of being very mobile and can be set up within an hour. A downside is that the range isn't that great (~95 km), but I'm sure enough have been set up along the border and coastline by now to cover possible entry points.
This is what it looks like:+ Show Spoiler +
Also, recently, the US deployed the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense system (THAAD) to be set up in Guam. These are more sophisticated land-based launchers that fire missile at targets from a far range (as far as ~190 km) with high accuracy.
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Do people still care about/take NK seriously? The threats are for domestic political purposes lol, this has been well-known for years and years.
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On April 04 2013 09:49 Doodsmack wrote:
Do people still care about/take NK seriously? The threats are for domestic political purposes lol, this has been well-known for years and years.
That may or may not be true, but the US and SK governments are on high alert, if NK tries to test their luck and shell and island like they have before or sink a ship, SK or USA might retaliate and then things could spiral into full scale war.
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juice propaganda works every time
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On April 04 2013 09:52 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 09:49 Doodsmack wrote:
Do people still care about/take NK seriously? The threats are for domestic political purposes lol, this has been well-known for years and years. That may or may not be true, but the US and SK governments are on high alert, if NK tries to test their luck and shell and island like they have before or sink a ship, SK or USA might retaliate and then things could spiral into full scale war.
Never know they could not be fucking around this time ya know.
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On April 04 2013 09:49 Doodsmack wrote:
Do people still care about/take NK seriously? The threats are for domestic political purposes lol, this has been well-known for years and years.
This:
On April 04 2013 08:47 hypercube wrote:
It's really curious, normally the US wouldn't be able to attack NK, because of China. But North Korean threats are reaching the level where the US could strike and claim self-defense. I mean, the North Korean leadership is actually taking significant risk by doing this. They are eroding China's capacity to intervene on their behalf.
The only thing keeping SK and the US from bombing the crap out of NK is the backing they would receive from China and Russia. As of now, they're being so belligerent and provocative that China and Russia couldn't justify providing defense or military equipment. The only thing they would do is provide humanitarian aid.
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On April 03 2013 02:58 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 02:03 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Oh my god, Anonymous... that's just sad. Seriously. I'm fifteen and I see how naive that is :/ maybe a 13 yr old wrote it XD
With the state of anonymous these days, that wouldn't surprise me. Come to think of it, when I was 12-13 I probably would have wrote something like that. Then again< I'm only 15, and probably shouldn't talk.
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