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Elorun
Ireland8 Posts
Then again that's like giving candy to a naughty kid... | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On April 03 2013 04:56 DannyJ wrote: Every time I see you post anything in the general forum it is about "imperialism'. Literally like 80% of your posts looking at your profile, not matter what the topic, lol. You are the most boring poster on all of TL. Anyway, that anon post really is funny and kind of cute. I can almost imagine a really young nerd version of George Bush writing it... besides the USA is crooks part of course. Sadly for Anon I think 99% of of the NK population, even if they were to read it, would be very confused considering they've probably never even heard of the internet and certainly not the "good guys" from it. I noticed the same thing also. To make it even more comical he literally worships russia and any discussion of russia and america he jumps in to say how amazing russia is and how inferior everything and everyone is compared to russia. On the topic of the poll in which 33% of SK troops consider America as the enemy, that's just ridiculous. If it wasn't for the west getting involved there would probably be no SK, only a Korea under the Kim dictators. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/technolog/anonymous-claims-it-stole-15-000-user-records-north-korea-1C9178147 LOL what they already did it? XD | ||
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ninini
Sweden1204 Posts
On April 03 2013 04:25 Attica wrote: I have a question. Please understand that I am a political noob and don't know much about it all. I'm just wondering if there's a possibility that China would be using NK as a puppet to start this war? Does China have anything to gain if there actually is a war? Also what are the ramifications for China if they chose to break their defense treaty with NK? I doubt the world would care but would it be bad for them? China doesn't want a war. They least of all wants to wage war against South Korea and USA, who are their two biggest trading partners right now, who will help them build up their economy. China will avoid war at all costs, even if they have to break treaties. My calculated guess is that their relationship with North Korea means absolutely squat at this point, and that the only reason why they're still maintaining it to some extent is because it's their strategy to preserve the status quo. China moblilizing can mean 2 things. A) They want to intimidate North Korea to calm down. B) They want to scare off USA and South Korea from considering an invasion. (USA knows that if China stepped in against them, this would be their greatest campaign since the Vietnam war, and I don't think they are in a position to commit to that, considering how unpopular their latest wars have been. For that reason, a chinese bluff would be really effective) If this doesn't work, and a war breaks lose, I'm convinced that their plan B is to join the war on the side of USA and South Korea. This way, they would get more influence on the new regime. China waging war against USA is silly, and it will just not happen in the near future, as they don't have the army to take on USA. They would have a hard enough time fighting just the high-tech, top class south korean army. China have the numbers on their side, but you win modern wars through air, and USA and SK is untouchable in that category. A repeat of the korean war would end up exactly the same, or even worse, with USA bombing North Korea into a wasteland (which it already is tbh) and China and North Korea throwing away their armies. | ||
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Fallen Angel
2 Posts
(URGENT) NK holds up S. Korean workers' departure to Kaesong industrial complex I'm not sure I fully understand this, if the South Koreans are being prevented from entering this complex, are they allowed return to point of origin or being held in place? If it's the latter then I'd say this probably won't end well  Need more info. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On April 03 2013 10:11 Fallen Angel wrote: Link (URGENT) NK holds up S. Korean workers' departure to Kaesong industrial complex I'm not sure I fully understand this, if the South Koreans are being prevented from entering this complex, are they allowed return to point of origin or being held in place? If it's the latter then I'd say this probably won't end well Need more info. Really weird wording, perhaps to pull in readers. I read it as the norks are delaying the workers from heading to keasong. I imagine the departure point would be the DMZ. I guess they are not being allowed to cross into NK for work. Screw that job I would worry about them taking me hostage. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On April 03 2013 04:09 MoltkeWarding wrote: I read an article a few years ago in which an alleged poll among South Korea's military cadets showed that when cadets were asked to name South Korea's main enemy, 34% chose the United States, more than the 33% who selected North Korea. There is a inkling of truth, however little, to accusations of North Korean propaganda that the South Korean government is an American puppet regime. This is does not apply to domestic policy, but the American connection does severely restrict the independence of South Korea's foreign policy. As I recall, the standoff between the Bush administration and Pyongyang practically subsumed the attempts by the Roh government to establish an independent policy vis-a-vis north Korea. I did not understand then, and I do not understand now, how trans-pacific solidarity can be built on the back of an 'America First' policy on the Korean peninsula. Not surprising. Hegemonic dominance is nothing new. The old Assyrians built their empire on that (pre- Tiglath-Pileser III). They had zero territorial control and yet had that greatest empire in the world. It wasn't until after WW2 that the Soviets and Americans reintroduced this in full. Anyways, it practically goes without saying that other than the conflict between the Koreans themselves, Chinese and US involvement are by far the largest hindrance to policy in either Korea (mainly the South, as China can't keep much a grip on the North). We don't want SK getting too cozy with our foes/rivals in the region, like China or North Korea, and that's how things are working out. On April 03 2013 04:56 DannyJ wrote: Every time I see you post anything in the general forum it is about "imperialism'. Literally like 80% of your posts looking at your profile, not matter what the topic, lol. You are the most boring poster on all of TL. Anyway, that anon post really is funny and kind of cute. I can almost imagine a really young nerd version of George Bush writing it... besides the USA is crooks part of course. Sadly for Anon I think 99% of of the NK population, even if they were to read it, would be very confused considering they've probably never even heard of the internet and certainly not the "good guys" from it. Haha you're the guy I shut down really hard in another thread. Is your ass still sore buddy? I'm sorry . Can't play in the big leagues? Bitch at the people who shut you down. :/User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
Yonhap Yet they still say that the factories or whatever there is, are working normally. NK NEWS @nknewsorg 3m Kaesong plants now operating as normal, despite late arrival of South Korean workers. | ||
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3820 Posts
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zeo
Serbia6334 Posts
On April 03 2013 05:53 Pandemona wrote: http://www.informationweek.co.uk/security/attacks/anonymous-hits-north-korea-via-ddos/240152102 http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/technolog/anonymous-claims-it-stole-15-000-user-records-north-korea-1C9178147 LOL what they already did it? XD I wonder what pirate bay says about all this... embarrassing for anon Since China started mobilizing both sides are shutting up and at least trying to talk reasonably. China is key to this whole situation, they are the only country that has any chance of bringing reform to the North, whether America likes it or not. Every single thing the US has tried for 60 years has ether failed (miserably) or had the opposite effect, let China have a crack at it. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
Haha you're the guy I shut down really hard in another thread. Is your ass still sore buddy? I'm sorry . Can't play in the big leagues? Bitch at the people who shut you down. :/User was temp banned for this post. Lol, I've never interacted with you once on TL. Maybe when your ban is done you can apologize for such an erroneous and slanderous accusation!  Don't worry though I'm sure the real person you gloriously "shut down" is still frothing over it.It's really nuts that EVERY day there is a new North Korean development making the top headline on every news source. This deal with workers is today's edition. Pretty soon lil' Kim's going to start prank calling Obama because he's run out of stuff to do. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On April 03 2013 17:25 Zeo wrote: I wonder what pirate bay says about all this... embarrassing for anon Since China started mobilizing both sides are shutting up and at least trying to talk reasonably. China is key to this whole situation, they are the only country that has any chance of bringing reform to the North, whether America likes it or not. Every single thing the US has tried for 60 years has ether failed (miserably) or had the opposite effect, let China have a crack at it. Yeah China is the main thing here. Especially if this defense treaty they have is actually truth. What i think needs to happen though is for a bit of pressure or something to be put on China to start to tighten their grasp over North Korea to try and get them into the 21st century in terms of government and just plain living standards. But yeah, China holds the key! | ||
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iMAniaC
Norway703 Posts
Seoul's defense chief said Wednesday the military is considering all available options, including possible military action, to ensure the safety of the hundreds of South Koreans who remain in the North's border town of Kaesong after the communist state cut off access to a joint industrial complex there. [...] Despite the existence of the contingency plan, government officials are stressing diplomacy if a crisis breaks out. "If North Korea puts Kaesong workers into danger, military operations should be considered as a last resort," a senior government official said. "We should pressure North Korea through diplomatic means." Source (The same source as posted above, but they've changed the URL slightly). Luckily, the situation is resolved now, so there's no need for that military action, but I guess it shows just how quickly things can turn ugly now and how short everyone's tempers are. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
Reuters Top News @Reuters Pentagon confirms that U.S. military will deploy a THAAD ballistic missile defense system to Guam It's clear that US is little bit worried and taking precautions just in case. THAAD system is something like this: ![[image loading]](http://www.military-today.com/missiles/thaad.jpg) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/THAAD_Launcher.jpg/300px-THAAD_Launcher.jpg) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_High_Altitude_Area_Defense | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 02 2013 20:50 Telcontar wrote: You say that like unification with SK wouldn't provide all that China can, and more, if they took over. Besides, SK will never let China take the lands of their brothers. And you can rest assured that the US, along with most UN/Nato nations, will be right behind them, even if it escalated into armed conflict. The political flak China would receive alone would not be worth taking over NK. I say it as a more realistic option. There is no way NK would accept SK taking over without a war. But I could see them giving in to China, not now, but with sanctions things will only get worse and when they get critical either a big war will break out or China will need to intervene. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
BBC Breaking News @BBCBreaking North Korea Army statement to state news agency says it has approval for military strikes on US, including using nuclear weapons Reuters Top News @Reuters North Korea “formally informs” U.S. that it has “ratified” strike, possibly involving “diversified nuclear strike”: KCNA #breaking The moment of explosion is approaching fast," the North Korean military said, warning that war could break out "today or tomorrow". N. Korea approves nuclear strike on United States | ||
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herMan
Japan2055 Posts
On April 04 2013 06:19 Grettin wrote: Even local news station stated that in the "bulletin", it was said that the war is going to start today or tomorrow. Couldn't find any other sources for that. Lots of talk at least.. During all of this rhetoric there has been no significant movement by NK's army. I think that's the main thing revealing just how all this is trying to make the UN cave into giving NK a break. | ||
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bohus
11 Posts
On April 03 2013 04:25 Attica wrote: I have a question. Please understand that I am a political noob and don't know much about it all. I'm just wondering if there's a possibility that China would be using NK as a puppet to start this war? Does China have anything to gain if there actually is a war? Also what are the ramifications for China if they chose to break their defense treaty with NK? I doubt the world would care but would it be bad for them? The People's Republic of China is not going to start any war. They do not want to get painted as The Red Menace. And they do not have to. Everything they are doing right now (The Scramble for Africa part II, Asserting its dominance on home front) can be achieved in peace. They have money and do not have burdening military. On the other hand, the USA have stagnating economy and powerfull army. But even as America hangs in the balance, she is still the most powerfull state in the world. All they(China) have to do is wait. Wait untill her rivals dissolve themself with their own economical stupidity. Newspapers and TV chanels may say something, but leaders of the "Axis of Evil" are not paranoid madmen (Maybe they are, but they have a good reason to be). They (North Korean leaders) know what is in stake, they know how powerfull their enemies are. They, and this is important, have witnessed brutal American bombardment in The Korean War and they remember genocide of South Korean communists and leftists. But there will be no war as long as The USA are backing the South and PRC is backing the North. The USA ,even with full might, can't defeat China on her own soil and China is not quite interested (I can imagine embargo on export, isolation, whatever). In case of war, china could loose her ally, perhaps doubtfull, but ally nontheless. Much better then unified American puppet (cf Iran possition in regards of Iraq and Afghanistan). I would liken this to The Berlin Crisis or The Cuban Crisis. Few people want it, but all it takes is a decision of a one man. This is how I see it. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
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Ponder
United Kingdom66 Posts
N. Korea says it has final approval for nuclear attack on US North Korean army says it has final approval for nuclear attack on the US, the official KCNA news agency says. This comes shortly after the Pentagon said the US military prepares to deploy an advanced missile-defense system to Guam. "Merciless operation of its revolutionary armed forces in this regard has been finally examined and ratified," a spokesman for the General Staff of the Korean People's Army, according to the statement released by state KCNA news agency. "We formally inform the White House and Pentagon that the ever-escalating US hostile policy toward the DPRK and its reckless nuclear threat will be smashed by the strong will of all the united service personnel and people." This comes after Pentagon said the US military prepares to deploy an advanced missile-defense system to Guam to defend American military bases in the Pacific as a "precaution" following North Korea threats. The DoD has announced that top defense officials approved the deployment of a Terminal High Altitude Area Defense System, or THAAD, which includes a truck-mounted launcher, interceptor missiles, a AN/TPY-2 tracking radar and an integrated fire control system, Reuters reports. "The United States remains vigilant in the face of North Korean provocations and stands ready to defend US territory, our allies, and our national interests," a Pentagon spokeswoman said. It has been stressed that the future deployment of the system is for protecting American interests in the region and will not reach South Korea’s territory. The Pentagon said the batteries, which according to advocates will cost up to $800 million per battery, will be deployed in the coming weeks; however, no exact date was given, the Wall Street Journal reports. The Pentagon initially considered the deployment of the first of the batteries in 2015, however, recently escalated tensions and threats from North Korea have influenced the plans, forcing the Defense Department to rethink its intentions. The United States sees a "real and clear" danger from North Korea, given its nuclear and missile capabilities and bellicose rhetoric, US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said earlier Wednesday, shortly before the Pentagon's statement. North Korea has recently threatened to target US and South Korea following new UN sanctions and joint military drills by the two allies. Guam has become the most important US military base in Asia, housing its major airfield and an incoming contingent of US Marines. This is getting either more scary or too ridiculous, how many more threats before something has to be actually launched, even the North Korean people will be saying how many more threats... I think that is the scary part, because if Kim is doing this all to look tough then he can't keep saying it over and over again without doing something about it, otherwise he will look even weaker as time goes on. Everyone thought he would not shut down the shared industrial complex, but he did. I wonder if they are planning some sort of Super Emp strike, as this would not need the re-entry technology as it seems they have this weaponry and possibly the means to launch it now. | ||
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