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Parlortricks
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States111 Posts
March 29 2013 16:45 GMT
#1121
On March 30 2013 01:41 RCMDVA wrote:

If anyone is wondering WTF Austin, TX is about....there's a large Samsung plant there.


I thought it was because Polt was staying there.

In any case, this whole situation is getting out of control. I'm hoping eventually Russia and China will tighten the leash on their dog less he bark any louder someone might get bitten.
Garalor
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany136 Posts
March 29 2013 16:46 GMT
#1122
On March 30 2013 01:33 Seldentar wrote:
Obama shut down TARS this month. What amazing timing now that NK is threatening CA and TX. And how convenient that NK sent out a satellite a while ago that will arrive above Texas on Sunday. Hmm...

Not only will this closure mean hundreds of people will be out of jobs, but it also means our borders will not be safe, especially along the remote U.S. Mexico Border like in Texas.


sry but what is TARS?

do i understand you correct, that you think this is all set up?
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
March 29 2013 16:58 GMT
#1123
On March 30 2013 01:33 Seldentar wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9960933/North-Korea-plan-to-attack-US-mainland-revealed-in-photographs.html

North Korea threatens to nuke DC, LA, or Austin, TX.

Obama shut down TARS this month. What amazing timing now that NK is threatening CA and TX. And how convenient that NK sent out a satellite a while ago that will arrive above Texas on Sunday. Hmm...

Not only will this closure mean hundreds of people will be out of jobs, but it also means our borders will not be safe, especially along the remote U.S. Mexico Border like in Texas.
Your post is illogical and factually inaccurate. You realize that experts agree that mainland US is way, way out of NK's range right? Because from your post it doesn't sound like that's the case. Their max range is maybe 2500km. California is 9500 away. The threat is completely empty and all bluster. Why are you vaguely suggesting Texas is in danger? And on another note, what exactly does a drug war balloon have to do with intercepting ICBMs?

While admittedly hard to find anything on the subject, http://www.svherald.com/content/news/2013/03/05/348456 suggests you are wrong and TARS has not been shut down. It looks like you read stuff months ago saying it might be shut down with budget cuts and never followed up with the story. Your canned story about job loss and border insecurity is cute, though. Feel free to link me a more credible source indicating it has, in fact, been shut down.
Seldentar
Profile Joined May 2011
United States888 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-29 17:00:42
March 29 2013 16:59 GMT
#1124
On March 30 2013 01:46 Garalor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 01:33 Seldentar wrote:
Obama shut down TARS this month. What amazing timing now that NK is threatening CA and TX. And how convenient that NK sent out a satellite a while ago that will arrive above Texas on Sunday. Hmm...

Not only will this closure mean hundreds of people will be out of jobs, but it also means our borders will not be safe, especially along the remote U.S. Mexico Border like in Texas.


sry but what is TARS?

do i understand you correct, that you think this is all set up?


TARS stands for Tethered Aerostat Radar System and it's an air defense system that helps secure the southern border.

No I do not.
Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
March 29 2013 17:01 GMT
#1125
Dont understand why the north korean army goes along with the leader in this case.
They have nothing to win and everything to loose,Unification within 10 years should be possible and then everyone high ranked in the north korean army could get a big cheque as a ty from south korea.
They would all be much better of then now, the only person who stands to loose alot is the leader himself.
He can off course also get a big cheque but it will still be a big step back from beeing a dictator owning a whole country to beeing a simple bilionaire.
I somehow expect that if the leader wants to make these attacks happen that the army wont go along with it,hes just a young guy and dont think he has the control his father had.
If war would happen it would be absolutely disastrous,i do believe north korea is capable of hitting the usa. The south koreans are verry smart people and this probably goes for the people in the north as well, despite their country beeing cut off from the world for such a long time.The financial markets seem not to be woried at all though, so maybe this is indeed just a game.
Seldentar
Profile Joined May 2011
United States888 Posts
March 29 2013 17:03 GMT
#1126
On March 30 2013 01:58 calgar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 01:33 Seldentar wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9960933/North-Korea-plan-to-attack-US-mainland-revealed-in-photographs.html

North Korea threatens to nuke DC, LA, or Austin, TX.

Obama shut down TARS this month. What amazing timing now that NK is threatening CA and TX. And how convenient that NK sent out a satellite a while ago that will arrive above Texas on Sunday. Hmm...

Not only will this closure mean hundreds of people will be out of jobs, but it also means our borders will not be safe, especially along the remote U.S. Mexico Border like in Texas.
Your post is illogical and factually inaccurate. You realize that experts agree that mainland US is way, way out of NK's range right? Because from your post it doesn't sound like that's the case. Their max range is maybe 2500km. California is 9500 away. The threat is completely empty and all bluster. Why are you vaguely suggesting Texas is in danger? And on another note, what exactly does a drug war balloon have to do with intercepting ICBMs?

While admittedly hard to find anything on the subject, http://www.svherald.com/content/news/2013/03/05/348456 suggests you are wrong and TARS has not been shut down. It looks like you read stuff months ago saying it might be shut down with budget cuts and never followed up with the story. Your canned story about job loss and border insecurity is cute, though. Feel free to link me a more credible source indicating it has, in fact, been shut down.


I'm well aware of that. I was being sarcastic towards the doomsayer posts. I highly doubt Texas is at any real risk of being hit by a nuclear device.

There was speculation it would be shut down on March 15, but it never was.
Nyvis
Profile Joined November 2012
France284 Posts
March 29 2013 17:04 GMT
#1127
On March 30 2013 02:01 Rassy wrote:
Dont understand why the north korean army goes along with the leader in this case.
They have nothing to win and everything to loose,Unification within 10 years should be possible and then everyone high ranked in the north korean army could get a big cheque as a ty from south korea.
They would all be much better of then now, the only person who stands to loose alot is the leader himself.
He can off course also get a big cheque but it will still be a big step back from beeing a dictator owning a whole country to beeing a simple bilionaire.
I somehow expect that if the leader wants to make these attacks happen that the army wont go along with it,hes just a young guy and dont think he has the control his father had.
If war would happen it would be absolutely disastrous,i do believe north korea is capable of hitting the usa. The south koreans are verry smart people and this probably goes for the people in the north as well, despite their country beeing cut off from the world for such a long time.The financial markets seem not to be woried at all though, so maybe this is indeed just a game.


Because they won't be judged for assisting for so long ...
They helped the system for too long to be able to betray it now and get away with it, I believe.
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-29 17:08:02
March 29 2013 17:07 GMT
#1128
On March 30 2013 02:03 Seldentar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 01:58 calgar wrote:
On March 30 2013 01:33 Seldentar wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9960933/North-Korea-plan-to-attack-US-mainland-revealed-in-photographs.html

North Korea threatens to nuke DC, LA, or Austin, TX.

Obama shut down TARS this month. What amazing timing now that NK is threatening CA and TX. And how convenient that NK sent out a satellite a while ago that will arrive above Texas on Sunday. Hmm...

Not only will this closure mean hundreds of people will be out of jobs, but it also means our borders will not be safe, especially along the remote U.S. Mexico Border like in Texas.
Your post is illogical and factually inaccurate. You realize that experts agree that mainland US is way, way out of NK's range right? Because from your post it doesn't sound like that's the case. Their max range is maybe 2500km. California is 9500 away. The threat is completely empty and all bluster. Why are you vaguely suggesting Texas is in danger? And on another note, what exactly does a drug war balloon have to do with intercepting ICBMs?

While admittedly hard to find anything on the subject, http://www.svherald.com/content/news/2013/03/05/348456 suggests you are wrong and TARS has not been shut down. It looks like you read stuff months ago saying it might be shut down with budget cuts and never followed up with the story. Your canned story about job loss and border insecurity is cute, though. Feel free to link me a more credible source indicating it has, in fact, been shut down.


I'm well aware of that. I was being sarcastic towards the doomsayer posts. I highly doubt Texas is at any real risk of being hit by a nuclear device.

There was speculation it would be shut down on March 15, but it never was.


Then why did you say Obama shut it down and then say we won't be safe and people will lose their jobs? You work for Fox News? That clearly wasn't sarcasm you used, it was full blown fear mongering.
dude bro.
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
March 29 2013 17:09 GMT
#1129
On March 30 2013 02:01 Rassy wrote:
Dont understand why the north korean army goes along with the leader in this case.
They have nothing to win and everything to loose,Unification within 10 years should be possible and then everyone high ranked in the north korean army could get a big cheque as a ty from south korea.
They would all be much better of then now, the only person who stands to loose alot is the leader himself.
He can off course also get a big cheque but it will still be a big step back from beeing a dictator owning a whole country to beeing a simple bilionaire.
I somehow expect that if the leader wants to make these attacks happen that the army wont go along with it,hes just a young guy and dont think he has the control his father had.
If war would happen it would be absolutely disastrous,i do believe north korea is capable of hitting the usa. The south koreans are verry smart people and this probably goes for the people in the north as well, despite their country beeing cut off from the world for such a long time.The financial markets seem not to be woried at all though, so maybe this is indeed just a game.


Who's to say the military isn't the one pulling the strings? Theres been plenty of speculation on that.
dude bro.
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
March 29 2013 17:10 GMT
#1130
On March 30 2013 02:03 Seldentar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 01:58 calgar wrote:
On March 30 2013 01:33 Seldentar wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9960933/North-Korea-plan-to-attack-US-mainland-revealed-in-photographs.html

North Korea threatens to nuke DC, LA, or Austin, TX.

Obama shut down TARS this month. What amazing timing now that NK is threatening CA and TX. And how convenient that NK sent out a satellite a while ago that will arrive above Texas on Sunday. Hmm...

Not only will this closure mean hundreds of people will be out of jobs, but it also means our borders will not be safe, especially along the remote U.S. Mexico Border like in Texas.
Your post is illogical and factually inaccurate. You realize that experts agree that mainland US is way, way out of NK's range right? Because from your post it doesn't sound like that's the case. Their max range is maybe 2500km. California is 9500 away. The threat is completely empty and all bluster. Why are you vaguely suggesting Texas is in danger? And on another note, what exactly does a drug war balloon have to do with intercepting ICBMs?

While admittedly hard to find anything on the subject, http://www.svherald.com/content/news/2013/03/05/348456 suggests you are wrong and TARS has not been shut down. It looks like you read stuff months ago saying it might be shut down with budget cuts and never followed up with the story. Your canned story about job loss and border insecurity is cute, though. Feel free to link me a more credible source indicating it has, in fact, been shut down.


I'm well aware of that. I was being sarcastic towards the doomsayer posts. I highly doubt Texas is at any real risk of being hit by a nuclear device.

There was speculation it would be shut down on March 15, but it never was.
Eh ok, you fooled me, apologies. It's difficult to have a substantive discussion with the amount of garbage being posted so I try to be critical of misinformation.
Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
March 29 2013 17:15 GMT
#1131
On March 29 2013 18:03 jellyjello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 10:51 Taekwon wrote:
On March 29 2013 09:02 xDaunt wrote:
On March 29 2013 08:36 Grettin wrote:
N. Korean leader orders preparations of strategic rockets against the U.S. and S. Korea

North Korean leader Kim Jong-un ordered preparations of strategic rockets targeting the United States and South Korea, the North's state-run media said Friday, as military tensions have escalated on the Korean Peninsula.

The Korean Central News Agency said, "(Kim) convened an urgent operation meeting on the Korean People's Army's Strategic Rocket Force's performance of duty for firepower strike at the Supreme Command at 00:30 Friday."

"He finally signed the plan on technical preparations of strategic rockets of the KPA, ordering them to be on standby to fire so that they may strike any time the U.S. mainland, its military bases in the operational theaters in the Pacific, including Hawaii and Guam, and those in south Korea," the report said.

The decision came a day after the United States Air Force's nuclear-capable B-2 stealth bombers carried out their first-ever bombing drill over the Korean Peninsula in a message of strong warning to North Korea, which has threatened a pre-emptive nuclear attack on the U.S. and South Korea.


http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/northkorea/2013/03/29/4/0401000000AEN20130329000800315F.HTML

I know that it is generally presumed that sovereign states act rationally, but holy shit. Kim Jung Un may be legitimately crazy.


He's not crazy. He's smart. A maaaaaajor problem with a lot of cosmopolitan citizens: they lack the perspicacity to look through things from a bigger framework. War isn't about fighting anymore - in fact, winning or hegemony isn't about war anymore.

Trust me, it's not lost on anyone outside of North Korea that they'd get obliterated if they so much as engage in any form of military engagement with the United States. The question is one of proliferation and of regional tensions. The nuclear test just conducted is North Korea's first uranium bomb (though not highly enriched). In other words, they have both capacities to produce Plutonium and Uranium technologies. Progress is now mostly a matter of whether or not they develop cruise and ballistic missiles capable of carrying these weapons (or progressing in making better bombs which is unlikely).

The reason US/EU policy makers are worried about North Korea/Iran getting their hands on nukes isn't because they fear that they'd inanely try and shoot their nukes at New York. They're worried about selling the technology. Dr. AQ did the honors for Pakistan, and USSR gave North Korea hot cells to do plutonium separation. These are easily usable and regimentable technologies. The concern for genuine nuclear terror is also false. However, in what scenario would it be possibly good to have more and more states propagating nuclear weapons left and right? Kim Jong Un, young though as he may be, has all the cards he needs to pretend brinkmanship for a few more years.Unless you're part of the Kenneth Waltz school of nuclear optimism, any test is gawd awful news.

North Korea, while incapable of espousing a nuke to an ICBM, they can easily marry a nuke to a centi-mile missile. In other words, South Korea and Japan are in danger. So what would they think? It becomes a question of US credibility and their nuclear umbrella - something that we clearly will not use. Does that mean we're going to use our tripwire troops in Fukashima and South Korea? Heck no. Thus, South Korea and Japan will push for belligerent policies, relations grow truculent and missile defense becomes questioned policy again. So? China freaks out. And that's never good news for reasons I certainly do NOT need to elaborate on. This scenario is all the more likely especially considering how the Senkaku islands dispute is going. Furthermore, Abe Shinjo is now the new PM of the Japanese diet and he is pretty much as war hawk as you get in Japan. He's pushing for the eradication of Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution. He really isn't helping considering citizens in Japan that support getting rid of A9 is close to 50% now.


You are correct in the assessment of the accountability of the nuclear warhead, but the bigger picture is that China is finally getting fed up with supporting NK policies. The problem is not whether there will be a war between US and NK, but rather where do China and Russia stand in all this shit storm. It's clear that the new leader of NK doesn't quite have the support that his dad used to have. Never imagined that US would actually send two B-2 bomers to SK, and that was only possible because both China and Russia gave it a green light.

Nobody wants a war between NK and SK. It seems they're starving NK to force them to change their policies. And the only way they can do that is through further restrictions and preparations for the war.

They want to minimize the damages NK can inflict on SK. That way, NK won't be able to bully them around anymore, as SK will only have acceptable losses. That's the way I look at it, at least.
Seldentar
Profile Joined May 2011
United States888 Posts
March 29 2013 17:18 GMT
#1132
On March 30 2013 02:07 heliusx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 02:03 Seldentar wrote:
On March 30 2013 01:58 calgar wrote:
On March 30 2013 01:33 Seldentar wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9960933/North-Korea-plan-to-attack-US-mainland-revealed-in-photographs.html

North Korea threatens to nuke DC, LA, or Austin, TX.

Obama shut down TARS this month. What amazing timing now that NK is threatening CA and TX. And how convenient that NK sent out a satellite a while ago that will arrive above Texas on Sunday. Hmm...

Not only will this closure mean hundreds of people will be out of jobs, but it also means our borders will not be safe, especially along the remote U.S. Mexico Border like in Texas.
Your post is illogical and factually inaccurate. You realize that experts agree that mainland US is way, way out of NK's range right? Because from your post it doesn't sound like that's the case. Their max range is maybe 2500km. California is 9500 away. The threat is completely empty and all bluster. Why are you vaguely suggesting Texas is in danger? And on another note, what exactly does a drug war balloon have to do with intercepting ICBMs?

While admittedly hard to find anything on the subject, http://www.svherald.com/content/news/2013/03/05/348456 suggests you are wrong and TARS has not been shut down. It looks like you read stuff months ago saying it might be shut down with budget cuts and never followed up with the story. Your canned story about job loss and border insecurity is cute, though. Feel free to link me a more credible source indicating it has, in fact, been shut down.


I'm well aware of that. I was being sarcastic towards the doomsayer posts. I highly doubt Texas is at any real risk of being hit by a nuclear device.

There was speculation it would be shut down on March 15, but it never was.


Then why did you say Obama shut it down and then say we won't be safe and people will lose their jobs? You work for Fox News? That clearly wasn't sarcasm you used, it was full blown fear mongering.


Sorry my post was not very clear. Sarcasm because someone seemed to imply TARS is anti-missle defense when in reality it's a surveillance program that detects low altitude aircraft and there would be a lot more coverage if Obama had actually shut down TARS.

Yes I'm a shill you got me. Fear mongering would be very ineffective on an extremely logic oriented website like TL, by the way.
Seldentar
Profile Joined May 2011
United States888 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-29 17:21:30
March 29 2013 17:20 GMT
#1133
On March 30 2013 02:10 calgar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 02:03 Seldentar wrote:
On March 30 2013 01:58 calgar wrote:
On March 30 2013 01:33 Seldentar wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9960933/North-Korea-plan-to-attack-US-mainland-revealed-in-photographs.html

North Korea threatens to nuke DC, LA, or Austin, TX.

Obama shut down TARS this month. What amazing timing now that NK is threatening CA and TX. And how convenient that NK sent out a satellite a while ago that will arrive above Texas on Sunday. Hmm...

Not only will this closure mean hundreds of people will be out of jobs, but it also means our borders will not be safe, especially along the remote U.S. Mexico Border like in Texas.
Your post is illogical and factually inaccurate. You realize that experts agree that mainland US is way, way out of NK's range right? Because from your post it doesn't sound like that's the case. Their max range is maybe 2500km. California is 9500 away. The threat is completely empty and all bluster. Why are you vaguely suggesting Texas is in danger? And on another note, what exactly does a drug war balloon have to do with intercepting ICBMs?

While admittedly hard to find anything on the subject, http://www.svherald.com/content/news/2013/03/05/348456 suggests you are wrong and TARS has not been shut down. It looks like you read stuff months ago saying it might be shut down with budget cuts and never followed up with the story. Your canned story about job loss and border insecurity is cute, though. Feel free to link me a more credible source indicating it has, in fact, been shut down.


I'm well aware of that. I was being sarcastic towards the doomsayer posts. I highly doubt Texas is at any real risk of being hit by a nuclear device.

There was speculation it would be shut down on March 15, but it never was.
Eh ok, you fooled me, apologies. It's difficult to have a substantive discussion with the amount of garbage being posted so I try to be critical of misinformation.


No problem, it's clearly my error for not making it clear enough that I was being sarcastic. I typed it with a different tone of voice in mind than how it came across.
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
March 29 2013 18:43 GMT
#1134
On March 29 2013 18:03 jellyjello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 10:51 Taekwon wrote:
On March 29 2013 09:02 xDaunt wrote:
On March 29 2013 08:36 Grettin wrote:
N. Korean leader orders preparations of strategic rockets against the U.S. and S. Korea

North Korean leader Kim Jong-un ordered preparations of strategic rockets targeting the United States and South Korea, the North's state-run media said Friday, as military tensions have escalated on the Korean Peninsula.

The Korean Central News Agency said, "(Kim) convened an urgent operation meeting on the Korean People's Army's Strategic Rocket Force's performance of duty for firepower strike at the Supreme Command at 00:30 Friday."

"He finally signed the plan on technical preparations of strategic rockets of the KPA, ordering them to be on standby to fire so that they may strike any time the U.S. mainland, its military bases in the operational theaters in the Pacific, including Hawaii and Guam, and those in south Korea," the report said.

The decision came a day after the United States Air Force's nuclear-capable B-2 stealth bombers carried out their first-ever bombing drill over the Korean Peninsula in a message of strong warning to North Korea, which has threatened a pre-emptive nuclear attack on the U.S. and South Korea.


http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/northkorea/2013/03/29/4/0401000000AEN20130329000800315F.HTML

I know that it is generally presumed that sovereign states act rationally, but holy shit. Kim Jung Un may be legitimately crazy.


He's not crazy. He's smart. A maaaaaajor problem with a lot of cosmopolitan citizens: they lack the perspicacity to look through things from a bigger framework. War isn't about fighting anymore - in fact, winning or hegemony isn't about war anymore.

Trust me, it's not lost on anyone outside of North Korea that they'd get obliterated if they so much as engage in any form of military engagement with the United States. The question is one of proliferation and of regional tensions. The nuclear test just conducted is North Korea's first uranium bomb (though not highly enriched). In other words, they have both capacities to produce Plutonium and Uranium technologies. Progress is now mostly a matter of whether or not they develop cruise and ballistic missiles capable of carrying these weapons (or progressing in making better bombs which is unlikely).

The reason US/EU policy makers are worried about North Korea/Iran getting their hands on nukes isn't because they fear that they'd inanely try and shoot their nukes at New York. They're worried about selling the technology. Dr. AQ did the honors for Pakistan, and USSR gave North Korea hot cells to do plutonium separation. These are easily usable and regimentable technologies. The concern for genuine nuclear terror is also false. However, in what scenario would it be possibly good to have more and more states propagating nuclear weapons left and right? Kim Jong Un, young though as he may be, has all the cards he needs to pretend brinkmanship for a few more years.Unless you're part of the Kenneth Waltz school of nuclear optimism, any test is gawd awful news.

North Korea, while incapable of espousing a nuke to an ICBM, they can easily marry a nuke to a centi-mile missile. In other words, South Korea and Japan are in danger. So what would they think? It becomes a question of US credibility and their nuclear umbrella - something that we clearly will not use. Does that mean we're going to use our tripwire troops in Fukashima and South Korea? Heck no. Thus, South Korea and Japan will push for belligerent policies, relations grow truculent and missile defense becomes questioned policy again. So? China freaks out. And that's never good news for reasons I certainly do NOT need to elaborate on. This scenario is all the more likely especially considering how the Senkaku islands dispute is going. Furthermore, Abe Shinjo is now the new PM of the Japanese diet and he is pretty much as war hawk as you get in Japan. He's pushing for the eradication of Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution. He really isn't helping considering citizens in Japan that support getting rid of A9 is close to 50% now.


You are correct in the assessment of the accountability of the nuclear warhead, but the bigger picture is that China is finally getting fed up with supporting NK policies. The problem is not whether there will be a war between US and NK, but rather where do China and Russia stand in all this shit storm. It's clear that the new leader of NK doesn't quite have the support that his dad used to have. Never imagined that US would actually send two B-2 bomers to SK, and that was only possible because both China and Russia gave it a green light.


While China and Russia may not have specifically asked the US to refrain from action I highly doubt that they would give the "green light" to a US invasion or anything else of the sort. The prospect of a staunch US ally (and the US bases that come with it) bordering the chinese mainland is unacceptable to China. The US already has a large conventional force in the area, which is why China wants there to be buffers in place, such as the ocean in case of Japan and NK in the case of SK. They may be forced to accept that reality if the North strikes first but I think their plan is to keep the leash on NK at least to the extent that it doesn't strike, and I can't imagine they would "green light" a US attack.

In the event that the US attacks NK against Chinese protestations I think they still would not get involved, but US china relations would head south in a hurry.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12065 Posts
March 29 2013 20:13 GMT
#1135
On March 30 2013 02:09 heliusx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 02:01 Rassy wrote:
Dont understand why the north korean army goes along with the leader in this case.
They have nothing to win and everything to loose,Unification within 10 years should be possible and then everyone high ranked in the north korean army could get a big cheque as a ty from south korea.
They would all be much better of then now, the only person who stands to loose alot is the leader himself.
He can off course also get a big cheque but it will still be a big step back from beeing a dictator owning a whole country to beeing a simple bilionaire.
I somehow expect that if the leader wants to make these attacks happen that the army wont go along with it,hes just a young guy and dont think he has the control his father had.
If war would happen it would be absolutely disastrous,i do believe north korea is capable of hitting the usa. The south koreans are verry smart people and this probably goes for the people in the north as well, despite their country beeing cut off from the world for such a long time.The financial markets seem not to be woried at all though, so maybe this is indeed just a game.


Who's to say the military isn't the one pulling the strings? Theres been plenty of speculation on that.


Also, considering what we know of what is going on in NK, i doubt any of their higher-ups is willing to put themselves in a situation where it is possible to judge them for crimes against humanity. They really can't afford their state to fail at this point, or that anything substantially changes there. Plus i'd guess that even talking about something like that is a quick one-way ticket to a camp for political prisoners.
Seldentar
Profile Joined May 2011
United States888 Posts
March 29 2013 20:42 GMT
#1136
Does anyone have the piece of the puzzle that explains exactly why the media has been hyping this up so much over this past week?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 29 2013 20:47 GMT
#1137
On March 30 2013 05:42 Seldentar wrote:
Does anyone have the piece of the puzzle that explains exactly why the media has been hyping this up so much over this past week?

The B-2 bombers from USA doing a fly-by was a HUGE deal.
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archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
March 29 2013 20:51 GMT
#1138
I've upgraded the NK'an threat from a "yawn" to "definite cause for alarm, but another war is not the answer" as all NK has severed all channels to the outside world. Maybe the new young leader has figured that progress in NK can only be achieved by foreign intervention and by deploying an aggressive military stance he hope to trigger a foreign intervention. His possibles to reform NK economically and politically is probably less likely than committing to war. The military elite that has the real power will at 85% likelihood stay on the status quo course but the reform route is less likely than the war path. Which means if NK will change for the better although through a war seeking a military solution might be the logical option for the new leader.
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Seldentar
Profile Joined May 2011
United States888 Posts
March 29 2013 21:00 GMT
#1139
On March 30 2013 05:47 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 05:42 Seldentar wrote:
Does anyone have the piece of the puzzle that explains exactly why the media has been hyping this up so much over this past week?

The B-2 bombers from USA doing a fly-by was a HUGE deal.


Yes, but the coverage was already abnormally high even before that, no? It seems like usually we would get NK threats every month or so and then all of a sudden 6 or more in one week.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24805 Posts
March 29 2013 21:06 GMT
#1140
On March 30 2013 06:00 Seldentar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 05:47 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 30 2013 05:42 Seldentar wrote:
Does anyone have the piece of the puzzle that explains exactly why the media has been hyping this up so much over this past week?

The B-2 bombers from USA doing a fly-by was a HUGE deal.


Yes, but the coverage was already abnormally high even before that, no? It seems like usually we would get NK threats every month or so and then all of a sudden 6 or more in one week.

I think the change in coverage is due to change in behavior... so you can thank NK and to a lesser extent SK/USA for the events which lead to the increased media coverage.

Also, I don't think NK normally threatens to nuke other nations, so the situation is different.
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