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PepsiMaxxxx

Sweden5452 Posts

March 29 2013 06:27 GMT

#1081

On March 29 2013 13:56 SheepleArePeopleToo wrote:
Thousands of North Koreans have turned out for a mass rally at the main square in Pyongyang in support of their leader's call to arms. - AP

http://live.reuters.com/Event/North_Korea

I hope you realize that the people are forced to participate in these kind of events.

SheepleArePeopleToo

Sweden73 Posts

March 29 2013 06:28 GMT

#1082

On March 29 2013 15:27 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:

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I hope you realize that the people are forced to participate in these kind of events.

REALLY? STOP THE PRESSES!

Blargh

United States2102 Posts

March 29 2013 06:32 GMT

#1083

I think America should try and out-rally them with millions of people gathering together. That's the only way we'll be able to stop North Korea... Or at least say that we had millions rallying.

Amui

Canada10567 Posts

March 29 2013 06:35 GMT

#1084

On March 29 2013 15:27 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:

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I hope you realize that the people are forced to participate in these kind of events.

You aren't forced. There's a recommendation that you attend out of respect for the great leader. Slight difference.

Bermuda

Belgium411 Posts

March 29 2013 06:53 GMT

#1085

On March 29 2013 15:35 Amui wrote:

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You aren't forced. There's a recommendation that you attend out of respect for the great leader. Slight difference.

And those who don't follow said recommandations, realise how wrong they were and usually suicide out of shame.

Deleted User 183001

2939 Posts

March 29 2013 08:00 GMT

#1086

On March 29 2013 09:55 EonuS wrote:

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Assassination of the leader would immediately start the war and is the worst case scenario to solve anything. He has orders planned for his generals in case something like this happens, someone else will take in charge and use nukes regardless. You are far too biased towards US though

In WW1, the assassination of Franz of just the excuse to kick off a war that was a long time brewing. It was a Serbian terrorist group, but the war wasn't even between Austro-Hungary and Serbia (even though Serbian govt. wasn't behind it). It was every single European country that was mobilized for war and wanted an excuse to go to it.

Now the assassination of Kim would be even more extreme, because it would be the government of the US assassinating the leader of a foreign country. That's not some event to make an excuse out of, that would be a direct act of war by the United States. We'd be the bad guys in this case, and while we are an imperial power, that's the stupid way to be going about doing things. We already have very low standing in the world as is, despite all the attempts at PR and bs'ing we do to try and change it.

nttea

Sweden4353 Posts

March 29 2013 08:07 GMT

#1087

On March 29 2013 15:53 Bermuda wrote:

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And those who don't follow said recommandations, realise how wrong they were and usually suicide out of shame.

Or sign up for voluntary workcamp!

DrCooper

Germany261 Posts

March 29 2013 08:45 GMT

#1088

This reminds me of Poker. One guy ( the U.S) thinks his opponent (NK) is bluffing. He raises and NK goes all-in. That's a shitty situation to be in.

kamicom

United States180 Posts

March 29 2013 08:54 GMT

#1089

New Topic/Question:

I hope this isn't as trivial as it sounds, but why is it that ALL the photos regarding N. Korea have Kim Jong-Un as their centerpiece with officials smiling around him and guiding or showing him something? I know there are some weird respect rules like don't stand in front of the leader etc., but I don't understand it.

Also DrCooper, I don't think your poker analogy is completely fit. It's more like the bluffer is going all-in against the entire table with the smallest stack under the gun. And that's not even the case since N. Korea knows if they actually initiate something, they're completely fucked.

robson1

3632 Posts

March 29 2013 08:55 GMT

#1090

But NK won't go in ever. Because the rest of the world would wipe them out in < 2 seconds, and I don't think they are so delusional that they really believe that the can take on everybody. I mean, they are crazy, but not that crazy. They are not UDSSR back in 1970, they cannot force a stalemate with anyone.

Shield

Bulgaria4824 Posts

March 29 2013 08:58 GMT

#1091

Personally, as bad it may sound, I hope there's actually a war so NK can be taught a lesson once and for all. I'm sick and tired of their threats every year. Also their leader is either absolutely unreasonable or he is China's puppet. Oh, and if this war has any success, their people may finally get a better chance for living.

jellyjello

Korea (South)664 Posts

March 29 2013 09:03 GMT

#1092

On March 29 2013 10:51 Taekwon wrote:

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He's not crazy. He's smart. A maaaaaajor problem with a lot of cosmopolitan citizens: they lack the perspicacity to look through things from a bigger framework. War isn't about fighting anymore - in fact, winning or hegemony isn't about war anymore.

Trust me, it's not lost on anyone outside of North Korea that they'd get obliterated if they so much as engage in any form of military engagement with the United States. The question is one of proliferation and of regional tensions. The nuclear test just conducted is North Korea's first uranium bomb (though not highly enriched). In other words, they have both capacities to produce Plutonium and Uranium technologies. Progress is now mostly a matter of whether or not they develop cruise and ballistic missiles capable of carrying these weapons (or progressing in making better bombs which is unlikely).

The reason US/EU policy makers are worried about North Korea/Iran getting their hands on nukes isn't because they fear that they'd inanely try and shoot their nukes at New York. They're worried about selling the technology. Dr. AQ did the honors for Pakistan, and USSR gave North Korea hot cells to do plutonium separation. These are easily usable and regimentable technologies. The concern for genuine nuclear terror is also false. However, in what scenario would it be possibly good to have more and more states propagating nuclear weapons left and right? Kim Jong Un, young though as he may be, has all the cards he needs to pretend brinkmanship for a few more years.Unless you're part of the Kenneth Waltz school of nuclear optimism, any test is gawd awful news.

North Korea, while incapable of espousing a nuke to an ICBM, they can easily marry a nuke to a centi-mile missile. In other words, South Korea and Japan are in danger. So what would they think? It becomes a question of US credibility and their nuclear umbrella - something that we clearly will not use. Does that mean we're going to use our tripwire troops in Fukashima and South Korea? Heck no. Thus, South Korea and Japan will push for belligerent policies, relations grow truculent and missile defense becomes questioned policy again. So? China freaks out. And that's never good news for reasons I certainly do NOT need to elaborate on. This scenario is all the more likely especially considering how the Senkaku islands dispute is going. Furthermore, Abe Shinjo is now the new PM of the Japanese diet and he is pretty much as war hawk as you get in Japan. He's pushing for the eradication of Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution. He really isn't helping considering citizens in Japan that support getting rid of A9 is close to 50% now.

You are correct in the assessment of the accountability of the nuclear warhead, but the bigger picture is that China is finally getting fed up with supporting NK policies. The problem is not whether there will be a war between US and NK, but rather where do China and Russia stand in all this shit storm. It's clear that the new leader of NK doesn't quite have the support that his dad used to have. Never imagined that US would actually send two B-2 bomers to SK, and that was only possible because both China and Russia gave it a green light.

Shinta)

United States1716 Posts

March 29 2013 09:04 GMT

#1093

On March 28 2013 06:17 micronesia wrote:

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On March 28 2013 06:11 Shinta) wrote:

On March 28 2013 05:59 micronesia wrote:

On March 28 2013 05:26 Salazarz wrote:
Are people actually taught in schools that nuclear strikes on Japan were justified and 'necessary'?

I think it's taught as a 'controversial issue' the way creationists want evolution/creationism to be taught. They attempt to present the facts and then let the student decide. It really isn't the US government's place to tell American schoolchildren if it was justified or not.

Goddamn, that just makes me so angry. Japan was about to capitulate by the time the nuclear strikes were carried out

No. Even after the second bomb was dropped, the military leaders of Japan were preparing to continue the war. The emperor of Japan, Hirohito, was famous for asking "haven't we had enough" and convincing his military leaders that they should just surrender. In fact, right before the surrender, there was an attempted coup to prevent the surrender. Your BS about how Japan was just about to surrender and there was no need for bombs, an invasion, or anything else is unfounded.

the reason nuclear bombs were used was because, 1. USA wanted to negotiate even more favourable terms of capitulation, quicker, and 2. as a show of power to the rest of the world, USSR in particular.

Source?

There would not be 'millions' of casualties in a ground-based assault on Japan even if such an assault would in fact take place (it wouldn't).

This is exactly what the allies were planning for. In fact, I know people (now dead) who were in the military at the time and were being prepared for an invasion of Japan. They thought they were going to die. In fact, a couple of them, who got a promotion shortly before the end of WW2, got so drunk out of some type of desperation that they were found driving a jeep down the street firing a pistol into the air and had their promotion immediately revoked.

Also I'm not sure how you did the forced attrition report or whatever it is and determined exactly how many casualties there would be on each side in the pending land invasion. Saying things like "you are wrong" and omitting any evidence or serious credentials doesn't help.

The same thing is happening with much of the discussion in this thread regarding North Korea. I would love to see some actual evidence or credentials of claims regarding exactly what NK is or isn't capable of. Reading a few articles on google news is not really sufficient.

edit: here might be a viable use for nukes by the way: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402807

The entire War was basically an "honorable" coup. The Army was always wrong but extremely power hungry. The other military branches didn't agree with the war or at the least how the war was being fought. Of course the emperor didn't like any of it either, but the Army had the majority of power and were thus manipulating Japan.

I'm not sure if this was an attempt to disagree with me or if you were just adding some perspective. Keep in mind that a lot of what we know now about Japan was not common knowledge until after the war ended.

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The allies during WW2 disagreed with you apparently. It's a good thing you have a tremendous amount of credibility on the topic so I can just believe you over them.

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You are making it pretty clear that absolutely nothing can be said to you, and absolutely no facts would be able to change your mind on this issue so there's no more point in discussing it (not that this thread is the ideal place to discuss it anyway, despite it being marginally relevant).

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No it is not common sense. It is your own personal theory (not that you are the only person who feels this way, I'm sure). Telling me to look up the source proves that you are full of shit.

I like your logic.
Yeah I did agree with you about one thing.
It is completely true that there were many better options that the US could have taken, and it wasn't the Allies that disagreed with me, it was the US and their own personal goals.
You don't have to discuss anything with me, but that doesn't change the validity of my statements. Give me some "facts" that could change my mind, but keep in mind they should be some that can actually change my mind. Not just facts that defend the same US standpoints that I'm criticizing.
And if you don't want to look something up that you don't know, you're the one that's "full of shit".

Sorry for the harsh language, just quoting your words sir.

ImFromPortugal

Portugal1368 Posts

March 29 2013 11:49 GMT

#1094

BREAKING: North Korean Photo Reveals ‘U.S. Mainland Strike Plan’
Information revealed in official North Korean military photo shows would-be U.S. attack

http://www.nknews.org/2013/03/breaking-north-korean-photo-reveals-u-s-mainland-strike-plan/

Technique

Netherlands1542 Posts

March 29 2013 11:59 GMT

#1095

On March 29 2013 20:49 ImFromPortugal wrote:

BREAKING: North Korean Photo Reveals ‘U.S. Mainland Strike Plan’
Information revealed in official North Korean military photo shows would-be U.S. attack

http://www.nknews.org/2013/03/breaking-north-korean-photo-reveals-u-s-mainland-strike-plan/

About as serious as the American president in this picture.

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DMKraft

476 Posts

March 29 2013 12:12 GMT

#1096

Does NK know that just by using google maps you can work out it is about 30% less distance to hit the east coast if they go over the arctic? NK Scientists: NO WAY straight lines are the shortest route, I check it with a ruler on my map. DW NY I think you are safe.

Also do those hats get bigger each year? Or is it a rank thing?

ImFromPortugal

Portugal1368 Posts

March 29 2013 12:31 GMT

#1097

N. Korea Warns Rockets Are Ready ‘To Settle Accounts’ With U.S.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/n-korea-warns-rockets-are-ready-to-settle-accounts-with-us.php

DonKey_

Liechtenstein1356 Posts

March 29 2013 12:31 GMT

#1098

Hmmm the most important information I got out of those photos was that Kim Jung Un uses an Apple computer.
Very interesting.

Pik

Germany176 Posts

March 29 2013 12:39 GMT

#1099

On March 29 2013 21:31 DonKey_ wrote:

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Hmmm the most important information I got out of those photos was that Kim Jung Un uses an Apple computer.
Very interesting.

So Steve Jobs was really a North Korean Spy!!! I knew it...

Zandar

Netherlands1541 Posts

March 29 2013 12:40 GMT

#1100

On March 29 2013 21:31 DonKey_ wrote:

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Hmmm the most important information I got out of those photos was that Kim Jung Un uses an Apple computer.
Very interesting.

Well in all fairness, when you hear Apple zealots praising Steve Jobs, or North Koreans talking about their beloved leader, it's not all that different

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