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On January 04 2013 21:51 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 21:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:40 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:32 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:22 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 19:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 19:38 Rescawen wrote:On January 04 2013 19:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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A rising economy and living standard does not mean that people are smarter and more hard working there. There's a million factors to it. This is exactly what I mean, people do not want face the truth. They have been spoiled for generations. The world is not fair, it used to be for Asia and soon its gonna be for the West. The sooner you accept certain facts the easier. Thank you Jesus for pointing out my wrongness. What if their economical and political systems are just working out better for them, thus elevating their financial state? Which is what's happening yo. What I'm saying is that there's a million more factors to this than "they work harder and are smarter". There's tons of aspects in their cultures that are in fact NOT smarter, from women's treatment to child labor and sweatshops. That may seem "smart" right now but once they have the living standards we're used to, they'll be facing the same problems pretty soon. A reality check is in store, yes. But there's more to it than your black and white arguments. Why is child labor not smart? Sweating is good for you so why are sweatshops bad? I can only assume that this is sarcasm No, Andrew Carnegie started working at the age of 13, was he not a child at that age? He became a millionare later in life. I can only wish I had started working as a child with my dad and learned carpentry but instead I stayed in school and have walked away with no real skills from it. Your view of the world is ridiculously absurd then and I suggest you actually go see the conditions these children are forced to work under. They don't choose to work there, they're forced to. They have no past, no present and no future. All they do is sweat and die for people like you. You're naming one person who made it, completely ignoring the circumstances. I could name you a million children who died in the meantime except nobody will ever know their names. Now, tell me again why child labor is smart. I never said the conditions were good, nor did I say I am a fan of forced labor. But the human body was made for work, children can obviously take less loads of work than adults, but other than that I see nothing wrong with it. What a completely pointless thing to say. This is your opinion and nothing else. Children should not be put to work because they cannot make responsible decision for themselves at a young age. That's why (at least here) you can quit school with 15 years and learn a craft, not before that. If an 8 year old boy comes up to you and says "Hey, I want to work at your company!" is he making a responsible decision? No, he's not. Because his brain is not developed enough, he's not educated enough and he doesn't have enough experience to be responsible. No decisions should be make by or for someone who cannot make responsible decisions. That's why there's education. While I agree child labour isn't something we should want we also have to realise those children don't really have an alternative. What's going to happen to them when they stop working? You think they'll get a better future? Getting an education doesn't help you when you're starving. On topic: China's seriously a joke in these kind of things, let them look at their own problems first regarding things like the banking sector first which is a way bigger problem than the US national debt.
My whole argument started with me saying that china is not "more hard working and smarter". I used sweatshops and child labor as an example. So of course I agree with you, as it is currently they maybe don't have an alternative. But that doesn't change my point that they should have at least basic education available to all of them and no child labor.
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On January 04 2013 21:51 ElizarTringov wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 21:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:40 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:32 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:22 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 19:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 19:38 Rescawen wrote:On January 04 2013 19:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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A rising economy and living standard does not mean that people are smarter and more hard working there. There's a million factors to it. This is exactly what I mean, people do not want face the truth. They have been spoiled for generations. The world is not fair, it used to be for Asia and soon its gonna be for the West. The sooner you accept certain facts the easier. Thank you Jesus for pointing out my wrongness. What if their economical and political systems are just working out better for them, thus elevating their financial state? Which is what's happening yo. What I'm saying is that there's a million more factors to this than "they work harder and are smarter". There's tons of aspects in their cultures that are in fact NOT smarter, from women's treatment to child labor and sweatshops. That may seem "smart" right now but once they have the living standards we're used to, they'll be facing the same problems pretty soon. A reality check is in store, yes. But there's more to it than your black and white arguments. Why is child labor not smart? Sweating is good for you so why are sweatshops bad? I can only assume that this is sarcasm No, Andrew Carnegie started working at the age of 13, was he not a child at that age? He became a millionare later in life. I can only wish I had started working as a child with my dad and learned carpentry but instead I stayed in school and have walked away with no real skills from it. Your view of the world is ridiculously absurd then and I suggest you actually go see the conditions these children are forced to work under. They don't choose to work there, they're forced to. They have no past, no present and no future. All they do is sweat and die for people like you. You're naming one person who made it, completely ignoring the circumstances. I could name you a million children who died in the meantime except nobody will ever know their names. Now, tell me again why child labor is smart. I never said the conditions were good, nor did I say I am a fan of forced labor. But the human body was made for work, children can obviously take less loads of work than adults, but other than that I see nothing wrong with it. What a completely pointless thing to say. This is your opinion and nothing else. Children should not be put to work because they cannot make responsible decision for themselves at a young age. That's why (at least here) you can quit school with 15 years and learn a craft, not before that. If an 8 year old boy comes up to you and says "Hey, I want to work at your company!" is he making a responsible decision? No, he's not. Because his brain is not developed enough, he's not educated enough and he doesn't have enough experience to be responsible. No decisions should be make by someone who cannot make responsible decisions. That's why there's education. Is a child responsible enough at the age of 8 to say "Hey I want to go to school!"? He isn't educated enough to make such a decision, his brain is not developed enough to know weather he really wants to go. School doesn't not teach responsibility. School teaches the fake responsibility of homework rather than the real responsibility of work.
Wow, you sound like you're 12 and frustrated because your teachers were mean and gave you lots of homework! Simple math lessons teach you rational thinking, biology teaches you to understand organisms and how your body works, history teaches you what fucked up things already happened + political systems, geography & economy lessons, etcetcetcetc.
If you think that someone who never went to school can ever make a choice that's as responsible as someone's who did, you're deluded.
You didn't achieve any skills in school? Then tell me how your english got good enough to have this conversation with me.
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On January 04 2013 21:51 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 21:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:40 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:32 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:22 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 19:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 19:38 Rescawen wrote:On January 04 2013 19:27 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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A rising economy and living standard does not mean that people are smarter and more hard working there. There's a million factors to it. This is exactly what I mean, people do not want face the truth. They have been spoiled for generations. The world is not fair, it used to be for Asia and soon its gonna be for the West. The sooner you accept certain facts the easier. Thank you Jesus for pointing out my wrongness. What if their economical and political systems are just working out better for them, thus elevating their financial state? Which is what's happening yo. What I'm saying is that there's a million more factors to this than "they work harder and are smarter". There's tons of aspects in their cultures that are in fact NOT smarter, from women's treatment to child labor and sweatshops. That may seem "smart" right now but once they have the living standards we're used to, they'll be facing the same problems pretty soon. A reality check is in store, yes. But there's more to it than your black and white arguments. Why is child labor not smart? Sweating is good for you so why are sweatshops bad? I can only assume that this is sarcasm No, Andrew Carnegie started working at the age of 13, was he not a child at that age? He became a millionare later in life. I can only wish I had started working as a child with my dad and learned carpentry but instead I stayed in school and have walked away with no real skills from it. Your view of the world is ridiculously absurd then and I suggest you actually go see the conditions these children are forced to work under. They don't choose to work there, they're forced to. They have no past, no present and no future. All they do is sweat and die for people like you. You're naming one person who made it, completely ignoring the circumstances. I could name you a million children who died in the meantime except nobody will ever know their names. Now, tell me again why child labor is smart. I never said the conditions were good, nor did I say I am a fan of forced labor. But the human body was made for work, children can obviously take less loads of work than adults, but other than that I see nothing wrong with it. What a completely pointless thing to say. This is your opinion and nothing else. Children should not be put to work because they cannot make responsible decision for themselves at a young age. That's why (at least here) you can quit school with 15 years and learn a craft, not before that. If an 8 year old boy comes up to you and says "Hey, I want to work at your company!" is he making a responsible decision? No, he's not. Because his brain is not developed enough, he's not educated enough and he doesn't have enough experience to be responsible. No decisions should be make by or for someone who cannot make responsible decisions. That's why there's education. While I agree child labour isn't something we should want we also have to realise those children don't really have an alternative. What's going to happen to them when they stop working? You think they'll get a better future? Getting an education doesn't help you when you're starving. On topic: China's seriously a joke in these kind of things, let them look at their own problems first regarding things like the banking sector first which is a way bigger problem than the US national debt.
The truth is not less of a truth depending on who it comes from. So whilst China definitely has plenty of stuff to improve on and lives in a metaphorical glass house, the remarks are still very valid.
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On January 04 2013 21:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 21:51 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:40 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:32 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:22 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 19:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 19:38 Rescawen wrote:
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This is exactly what I mean, people do not want face the truth. They have been spoiled for generations. The world is not fair, it used to be for Asia and soon its gonna be for the West. The sooner you accept certain facts the easier. Thank you Jesus for pointing out my wrongness. What if their economical and political systems are just working out better for them, thus elevating their financial state? Which is what's happening yo. What I'm saying is that there's a million more factors to this than "they work harder and are smarter". There's tons of aspects in their cultures that are in fact NOT smarter, from women's treatment to child labor and sweatshops. That may seem "smart" right now but once they have the living standards we're used to, they'll be facing the same problems pretty soon. A reality check is in store, yes. But there's more to it than your black and white arguments. Why is child labor not smart? Sweating is good for you so why are sweatshops bad? I can only assume that this is sarcasm No, Andrew Carnegie started working at the age of 13, was he not a child at that age? He became a millionare later in life. I can only wish I had started working as a child with my dad and learned carpentry but instead I stayed in school and have walked away with no real skills from it. Your view of the world is ridiculously absurd then and I suggest you actually go see the conditions these children are forced to work under. They don't choose to work there, they're forced to. They have no past, no present and no future. All they do is sweat and die for people like you. You're naming one person who made it, completely ignoring the circumstances. I could name you a million children who died in the meantime except nobody will ever know their names. Now, tell me again why child labor is smart. I never said the conditions were good, nor did I say I am a fan of forced labor. But the human body was made for work, children can obviously take less loads of work than adults, but other than that I see nothing wrong with it. What a completely pointless thing to say. This is your opinion and nothing else. Children should not be put to work because they cannot make responsible decision for themselves at a young age. That's why (at least here) you can quit school with 15 years and learn a craft, not before that. If an 8 year old boy comes up to you and says "Hey, I want to work at your company!" is he making a responsible decision? No, he's not. Because his brain is not developed enough, he's not educated enough and he doesn't have enough experience to be responsible. No decisions should be make by someone who cannot make responsible decisions. That's why there's education. Is a child responsible enough at the age of 8 to say "Hey I want to go to school!"? He isn't educated enough to make such a decision, his brain is not developed enough to know weather he really wants to go. School doesn't not teach responsibility. School teaches the fake responsibility of homework rather than the real responsibility of work. Wow, you sound like you're 12 and frustrated because your teachers were mean and gave you lots of homework! Simple math lessons teach you rational thinking, biology teaches you to understand organisms and how your body works, history teaches you what fucked up things already happened + politial system, geography & economy lessons, etcetcetcetc. If you think that someone who never went to school can ever make a choice that's as responsible as someone's who did, you're deluded.
I guess Andrew Carnegie must have not been as responsible as me. I learned english mostly outside of school.
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On January 04 2013 21:33 smokeyhoodoo wrote:
China's taxation as a percentage of gdp is around 15%, drastically lower than in the US. Where are their problems concerning this? Same with Hong Kong and Singapore. These countries have strong growth in their economies, and budget surpluses. So how does it follow that low taxes automatically leads to budget shortfalls? Maybe the problem is that a lot of western nations aren't prudent and frugal in their spending and taxation.
Their economies function drastically differently as well. And I did qualify my statement as being in the "incredibly general" sense.
The key takeaway, however, is that America cannot keep after its lofty desire for politicians that will continue spending cuts and lower taxes and expect problems to go away. Their situation is exacerbated by that desire, along with ill-advised spending and other problematic policies.
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On January 04 2013 10:32 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 09:55 Danglars wrote:
They're fine ones to criticize domestic policy in their own right; since when have Chinese people really had a say in the setting of their own domestic policy aside from the very few extremely well-connected ones. In the US, we're inerred to the criticism of top 1%, in China, far less than that control their own political system. Why shouldn't they criticize US domestic policy? They're saying US voters vote in politicians that choose policies that are good short term but are bad long term. It's a criticism of US democracy in a way, politicians only care about getting reelected every 2 or 6 years. They don't care about what happens 10 years later.
This can be applied to most governments I'd say. Politicians mostly care about getting elected. They want the power to do what they feel is right. The problem is that doing the right thing in the long term for the economy isn't something that will get you votes.
Democracy has attained its limits apparently.
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On January 04 2013 22:00 ElizarTringov wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 21:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:51 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:40 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:32 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:22 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 19:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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Thank you Jesus for pointing out my wrongness.
What if their economical and political systems are just working out better for them, thus elevating their financial state? Which is what's happening yo. What I'm saying is that there's a million more factors to this than "they work harder and are smarter". There's tons of aspects in their cultures that are in fact NOT smarter, from women's treatment to child labor and sweatshops. That may seem "smart" right now but once they have the living standards we're used to, they'll be facing the same problems pretty soon.
A reality check is in store, yes. But there's more to it than your black and white arguments. Why is child labor not smart? Sweating is good for you so why are sweatshops bad? I can only assume that this is sarcasm No, Andrew Carnegie started working at the age of 13, was he not a child at that age? He became a millionare later in life. I can only wish I had started working as a child with my dad and learned carpentry but instead I stayed in school and have walked away with no real skills from it. Your view of the world is ridiculously absurd then and I suggest you actually go see the conditions these children are forced to work under. They don't choose to work there, they're forced to. They have no past, no present and no future. All they do is sweat and die for people like you. You're naming one person who made it, completely ignoring the circumstances. I could name you a million children who died in the meantime except nobody will ever know their names. Now, tell me again why child labor is smart. I never said the conditions were good, nor did I say I am a fan of forced labor. But the human body was made for work, children can obviously take less loads of work than adults, but other than that I see nothing wrong with it. What a completely pointless thing to say. This is your opinion and nothing else. Children should not be put to work because they cannot make responsible decision for themselves at a young age. That's why (at least here) you can quit school with 15 years and learn a craft, not before that. If an 8 year old boy comes up to you and says "Hey, I want to work at your company!" is he making a responsible decision? No, he's not. Because his brain is not developed enough, he's not educated enough and he doesn't have enough experience to be responsible. No decisions should be make by someone who cannot make responsible decisions. That's why there's education. Is a child responsible enough at the age of 8 to say "Hey I want to go to school!"? He isn't educated enough to make such a decision, his brain is not developed enough to know weather he really wants to go. School doesn't not teach responsibility. School teaches the fake responsibility of homework rather than the real responsibility of work. Wow, you sound like you're 12 and frustrated because your teachers were mean and gave you lots of homework! Simple math lessons teach you rational thinking, biology teaches you to understand organisms and how your body works, history teaches you what fucked up things already happened + politial system, geography & economy lessons, etcetcetcetc. If you think that someone who never went to school can ever make a choice that's as responsible as someone's who did, you're deluded. I guess Andrew Carnegie must have not been as responsible as me. I learned english mostly outside of school.
Considering he got lucky with the choice of job he went for (a decision he didn't make himself but was advised by his uncle), yeah. He was not. He was lucky enough to be born into a society where that kind of thing is possible and he was lucky enough to have an uncle who told him it'd be smart to work for a telegraphing company. He received help from Tom Scott and countless others along the way.
Imagine he didn't have them. Your argument is so ridiculous, it hurts.
And once again, I would name you a few million children who never became millionaires because they worked themselves to death, but I can't. Their names are apparently not important enough to be remembered.
Now stop debating about things you don't understand.
Why don't we let 8 year olds vote too? They naturally have the right to since they're working.
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On January 04 2013 22:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 22:00 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:51 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:40 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:32 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:22 ElizarTringov wrote:
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Why is child labor not smart? Sweating is good for you so why are sweatshops bad? I can only assume that this is sarcasm No, Andrew Carnegie started working at the age of 13, was he not a child at that age? He became a millionare later in life. I can only wish I had started working as a child with my dad and learned carpentry but instead I stayed in school and have walked away with no real skills from it. Your view of the world is ridiculously absurd then and I suggest you actually go see the conditions these children are forced to work under. They don't choose to work there, they're forced to. They have no past, no present and no future. All they do is sweat and die for people like you. You're naming one person who made it, completely ignoring the circumstances. I could name you a million children who died in the meantime except nobody will ever know their names. Now, tell me again why child labor is smart. I never said the conditions were good, nor did I say I am a fan of forced labor. But the human body was made for work, children can obviously take less loads of work than adults, but other than that I see nothing wrong with it. What a completely pointless thing to say. This is your opinion and nothing else. Children should not be put to work because they cannot make responsible decision for themselves at a young age. That's why (at least here) you can quit school with 15 years and learn a craft, not before that. If an 8 year old boy comes up to you and says "Hey, I want to work at your company!" is he making a responsible decision? No, he's not. Because his brain is not developed enough, he's not educated enough and he doesn't have enough experience to be responsible. No decisions should be make by someone who cannot make responsible decisions. That's why there's education. Is a child responsible enough at the age of 8 to say "Hey I want to go to school!"? He isn't educated enough to make such a decision, his brain is not developed enough to know weather he really wants to go. School doesn't not teach responsibility. School teaches the fake responsibility of homework rather than the real responsibility of work. Wow, you sound like you're 12 and frustrated because your teachers were mean and gave you lots of homework! Simple math lessons teach you rational thinking, biology teaches you to understand organisms and how your body works, history teaches you what fucked up things already happened + politial system, geography & economy lessons, etcetcetcetc. If you think that someone who never went to school can ever make a choice that's as responsible as someone's who did, you're deluded. I guess Andrew Carnegie must have not been as responsible as me. I learned english mostly outside of school. Considering he got lucky with the choice of job he went for (a decision he didn't make himself but was advised by his uncle), yeah. He was not. He was lucky enough to be born into a society where that kind of thing is possible and he was lucky enough to have an uncle who told him it'd be smart to work for a telegraphing company. He received help from Tom Scott and countless others along the way. Imagine he didn't have them. Your argument is so ridiculous, it hurts. And once again, I would name you a few million children who never became millionaires because they worked themselves to death, but I can't. Their names are apparently not important enough to be remembered. Now stop debating about things you don't understand. Why don't we let 8 year olds vote too? They naturally have the right to since they're working.
So you are saying the human body was not made to work? What was it made for then? Also here is some more people who started working at an early age:David Farragut, who started work early at 9 as a midshipman and Benjamin Franklin stopped schooling at 10 and started working for his father.
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On January 04 2013 22:29 ElizarTringov wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 22:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 22:00 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:51 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:40 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:32 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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I can only assume that this is sarcasm No, Andrew Carnegie started working at the age of 13, was he not a child at that age? He became a millionare later in life. I can only wish I had started working as a child with my dad and learned carpentry but instead I stayed in school and have walked away with no real skills from it. Your view of the world is ridiculously absurd then and I suggest you actually go see the conditions these children are forced to work under. They don't choose to work there, they're forced to. They have no past, no present and no future. All they do is sweat and die for people like you. You're naming one person who made it, completely ignoring the circumstances. I could name you a million children who died in the meantime except nobody will ever know their names. Now, tell me again why child labor is smart. I never said the conditions were good, nor did I say I am a fan of forced labor. But the human body was made for work, children can obviously take less loads of work than adults, but other than that I see nothing wrong with it. What a completely pointless thing to say. This is your opinion and nothing else. Children should not be put to work because they cannot make responsible decision for themselves at a young age. That's why (at least here) you can quit school with 15 years and learn a craft, not before that. If an 8 year old boy comes up to you and says "Hey, I want to work at your company!" is he making a responsible decision? No, he's not. Because his brain is not developed enough, he's not educated enough and he doesn't have enough experience to be responsible. No decisions should be make by someone who cannot make responsible decisions. That's why there's education. Is a child responsible enough at the age of 8 to say "Hey I want to go to school!"? He isn't educated enough to make such a decision, his brain is not developed enough to know weather he really wants to go. School doesn't not teach responsibility. School teaches the fake responsibility of homework rather than the real responsibility of work. Wow, you sound like you're 12 and frustrated because your teachers were mean and gave you lots of homework! Simple math lessons teach you rational thinking, biology teaches you to understand organisms and how your body works, history teaches you what fucked up things already happened + politial system, geography & economy lessons, etcetcetcetc. If you think that someone who never went to school can ever make a choice that's as responsible as someone's who did, you're deluded. I guess Andrew Carnegie must have not been as responsible as me. I learned english mostly outside of school. Considering he got lucky with the choice of job he went for (a decision he didn't make himself but was advised by his uncle), yeah. He was not. He was lucky enough to be born into a society where that kind of thing is possible and he was lucky enough to have an uncle who told him it'd be smart to work for a telegraphing company. He received help from Tom Scott and countless others along the way. Imagine he didn't have them. Your argument is so ridiculous, it hurts. And once again, I would name you a few million children who never became millionaires because they worked themselves to death, but I can't. Their names are apparently not important enough to be remembered. Now stop debating about things you don't understand. Why don't we let 8 year olds vote too? They naturally have the right to since they're working. So you are saying the human body was not made to work? What was it made for then? Also here is some more people who started working at an early age:David Farragut, who started work early at 9 as a midshipman and Benjamin Franklin stopped schooling at 10 and started working for his father.
The human body wasn't made for anything ffs. If anything, what we consider "work" is unnatural and that's why it destroys our bodies. That's why millions of children died during labor. Are you completely out of your mind? Our bodies are the result of evolution, they're this way to make us survive under the circumstances we lived in when the human race developed through evolution. Keep your creation theories at home, in your basement where nobody will ever find them.
Interestingly enough all the people you keep bringing up became rich in societies that were already overall wealthy and had a decently high living standard. Think about it, just for a second. Maybe you should've actually paid attention to what was taught in school, then you wouldn't be having this retarded argument. Child labor is a fucking terrible idea because children cannot make responsible decisions without receiving some kind of education first. PERIOD.
Here is a list of MILLIONS who died during child labor. Maybe I'll add a list of the MILLIONS who never had a future because of the lack of education, but only if you ask nicely.
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Now can we please stop this silencingly retarded discussion because it's going off topic. If you're saying child labor is a smart thing I'll give you what I started with: your view of the world is fucking absurd.
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On January 04 2013 22:29 ElizarTringov wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 22:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 22:00 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:51 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:40 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:32 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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I can only assume that this is sarcasm No, Andrew Carnegie started working at the age of 13, was he not a child at that age? He became a millionare later in life. I can only wish I had started working as a child with my dad and learned carpentry but instead I stayed in school and have walked away with no real skills from it. Your view of the world is ridiculously absurd then and I suggest you actually go see the conditions these children are forced to work under. They don't choose to work there, they're forced to. They have no past, no present and no future. All they do is sweat and die for people like you. You're naming one person who made it, completely ignoring the circumstances. I could name you a million children who died in the meantime except nobody will ever know their names. Now, tell me again why child labor is smart. I never said the conditions were good, nor did I say I am a fan of forced labor. But the human body was made for work, children can obviously take less loads of work than adults, but other than that I see nothing wrong with it. What a completely pointless thing to say. This is your opinion and nothing else. Children should not be put to work because they cannot make responsible decision for themselves at a young age. That's why (at least here) you can quit school with 15 years and learn a craft, not before that. If an 8 year old boy comes up to you and says "Hey, I want to work at your company!" is he making a responsible decision? No, he's not. Because his brain is not developed enough, he's not educated enough and he doesn't have enough experience to be responsible. No decisions should be make by someone who cannot make responsible decisions. That's why there's education. Is a child responsible enough at the age of 8 to say "Hey I want to go to school!"? He isn't educated enough to make such a decision, his brain is not developed enough to know weather he really wants to go. School doesn't not teach responsibility. School teaches the fake responsibility of homework rather than the real responsibility of work. Wow, you sound like you're 12 and frustrated because your teachers were mean and gave you lots of homework! Simple math lessons teach you rational thinking, biology teaches you to understand organisms and how your body works, history teaches you what fucked up things already happened + politial system, geography & economy lessons, etcetcetcetc. If you think that someone who never went to school can ever make a choice that's as responsible as someone's who did, you're deluded. I guess Andrew Carnegie must have not been as responsible as me. I learned english mostly outside of school. Considering he got lucky with the choice of job he went for (a decision he didn't make himself but was advised by his uncle), yeah. He was not. He was lucky enough to be born into a society where that kind of thing is possible and he was lucky enough to have an uncle who told him it'd be smart to work for a telegraphing company. He received help from Tom Scott and countless others along the way. Imagine he didn't have them. Your argument is so ridiculous, it hurts. And once again, I would name you a few million children who never became millionaires because they worked themselves to death, but I can't. Their names are apparently not important enough to be remembered. Now stop debating about things you don't understand. Why don't we let 8 year olds vote too? They naturally have the right to since they're working. So you are saying the human body was not made to work? What was it made for then? Also here is some more people who started working at an early age:David Farragut, who started work early at 9 as a midshipman and Benjamin Franklin stopped schooling at 10 and started working for his father.
I think the humans and their bodies were created to help them explore, and invent. If you buy the modern theory, human biology is so complex with so many intelligent and intricate parts that Scientists now believe that the ``intelligent gene'' could not have developed by itself. It has been purported that the chances of the intelligent genes developing by themselves is tantamount to a random storm running through a garbage dump and making an aeroplane out of it. Therefore, popular theory by mad scientists suggest thats human gene was implanted by Aliens. The series Ancient Aliens tries to gather facts to support a similar theory.
There, now you know it. The purpose of the human body is to entertain sub-space species (Aliens). We're just an experiment.
+ Show Spoiler +This post is in jest, of course. But you can find out about Ancient Aliens here.
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On January 04 2013 22:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 22:29 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 22:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 22:00 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:51 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:40 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:32 ElizarTringov wrote:
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No, Andrew Carnegie started working at the age of 13, was he not a child at that age? He became a millionare later in life. I can only wish I had started working as a child with my dad and learned carpentry but instead I stayed in school and have walked away with no real skills from it.
Your view of the world is ridiculously absurd then and I suggest you actually go see the conditions these children are forced to work under. They don't choose to work there, they're forced to. They have no past, no present and no future. All they do is sweat and die for people like you. You're naming one person who made it, completely ignoring the circumstances. I could name you a million children who died in the meantime except nobody will ever know their names. Now, tell me again why child labor is smart. I never said the conditions were good, nor did I say I am a fan of forced labor. But the human body was made for work, children can obviously take less loads of work than adults, but other than that I see nothing wrong with it. What a completely pointless thing to say. This is your opinion and nothing else. Children should not be put to work because they cannot make responsible decision for themselves at a young age. That's why (at least here) you can quit school with 15 years and learn a craft, not before that. If an 8 year old boy comes up to you and says "Hey, I want to work at your company!" is he making a responsible decision? No, he's not. Because his brain is not developed enough, he's not educated enough and he doesn't have enough experience to be responsible. No decisions should be make by someone who cannot make responsible decisions. That's why there's education. Is a child responsible enough at the age of 8 to say "Hey I want to go to school!"? He isn't educated enough to make such a decision, his brain is not developed enough to know weather he really wants to go. School doesn't not teach responsibility. School teaches the fake responsibility of homework rather than the real responsibility of work. Wow, you sound like you're 12 and frustrated because your teachers were mean and gave you lots of homework! Simple math lessons teach you rational thinking, biology teaches you to understand organisms and how your body works, history teaches you what fucked up things already happened + politial system, geography & economy lessons, etcetcetcetc. If you think that someone who never went to school can ever make a choice that's as responsible as someone's who did, you're deluded. I guess Andrew Carnegie must have not been as responsible as me. I learned english mostly outside of school. Considering he got lucky with the choice of job he went for (a decision he didn't make himself but was advised by his uncle), yeah. He was not. He was lucky enough to be born into a society where that kind of thing is possible and he was lucky enough to have an uncle who told him it'd be smart to work for a telegraphing company. He received help from Tom Scott and countless others along the way. Imagine he didn't have them. Your argument is so ridiculous, it hurts. And once again, I would name you a few million children who never became millionaires because they worked themselves to death, but I can't. Their names are apparently not important enough to be remembered. Now stop debating about things you don't understand. Why don't we let 8 year olds vote too? They naturally have the right to since they're working. So you are saying the human body was not made to work? What was it made for then? Also here is some more people who started working at an early age:David Farragut, who started work early at 9 as a midshipman and Benjamin Franklin stopped schooling at 10 and started working for his father. The human body wasn't made for anything ffs. If anything, what we consider "work" is unnatural and that's why it destroys our bodies. That's why millions of children died during labor. Are you completely out of your mind? Our bodies are the result of evolution, they're this way to make us survive under the circumstances we lived in when the human race developed through evolution. Keep your creation theories at home, in your basement where nobody will ever find them. Interestingly enough all the people you keep bringing up became rich in societies that were already overall wealthy and had a decently high living standard. Think about it, just for a second. Maybe you should've actually paid attention to what was taught in school, then you wouldn't be having this retarded argument. Child labor is a fucking terrible idea because children cannot make responsible decisions without receiving some kind of education first. PERIOD. Here is a list of MILLIONS who died during child labor. Maybe I'll add a list of the MILLIONS who never had a future because of the lack of education, but only if you ask nicely. + Show Spoiler +Now can we please stop this silencingly retarded discussion because it's going off topic. If you're saying child labor is a smart thing I'll give you what I started with: your view of the world is fucking absurd.
When I say the human body was made to work, I mean the body should be fit and strong and capable of physical labor, of course the only way to do that is by doing physical labor, which can be done with work. If the body does not do physical labor the muscles start to degenerate and become weak, that is why I am saying it was made to work. I did not mention anything about creationism so I don't know why you brought that up. If they were in societies with such a high standard of living why did they have to go to work? No, child labor is a great idea, the execution of this idea is poor.
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Austria24420 Posts
On January 04 2013 22:54 ElizarTringov wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 22:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 22:29 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 22:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 22:00 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:51 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:40 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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Your view of the world is ridiculously absurd then and I suggest you actually go see the conditions these children are forced to work under. They don't choose to work there, they're forced to. They have no past, no present and no future. All they do is sweat and die for people like you. You're naming one person who made it, completely ignoring the circumstances. I could name you a million children who died in the meantime except nobody will ever know their names.
Now, tell me again why child labor is smart. I never said the conditions were good, nor did I say I am a fan of forced labor. But the human body was made for work, children can obviously take less loads of work than adults, but other than that I see nothing wrong with it. What a completely pointless thing to say. This is your opinion and nothing else. Children should not be put to work because they cannot make responsible decision for themselves at a young age. That's why (at least here) you can quit school with 15 years and learn a craft, not before that. If an 8 year old boy comes up to you and says "Hey, I want to work at your company!" is he making a responsible decision? No, he's not. Because his brain is not developed enough, he's not educated enough and he doesn't have enough experience to be responsible. No decisions should be make by someone who cannot make responsible decisions. That's why there's education. Is a child responsible enough at the age of 8 to say "Hey I want to go to school!"? He isn't educated enough to make such a decision, his brain is not developed enough to know weather he really wants to go. School doesn't not teach responsibility. School teaches the fake responsibility of homework rather than the real responsibility of work. Wow, you sound like you're 12 and frustrated because your teachers were mean and gave you lots of homework! Simple math lessons teach you rational thinking, biology teaches you to understand organisms and how your body works, history teaches you what fucked up things already happened + politial system, geography & economy lessons, etcetcetcetc. If you think that someone who never went to school can ever make a choice that's as responsible as someone's who did, you're deluded. I guess Andrew Carnegie must have not been as responsible as me. I learned english mostly outside of school. Considering he got lucky with the choice of job he went for (a decision he didn't make himself but was advised by his uncle), yeah. He was not. He was lucky enough to be born into a society where that kind of thing is possible and he was lucky enough to have an uncle who told him it'd be smart to work for a telegraphing company. He received help from Tom Scott and countless others along the way. Imagine he didn't have them. Your argument is so ridiculous, it hurts. And once again, I would name you a few million children who never became millionaires because they worked themselves to death, but I can't. Their names are apparently not important enough to be remembered. Now stop debating about things you don't understand. Why don't we let 8 year olds vote too? They naturally have the right to since they're working. So you are saying the human body was not made to work? What was it made for then? Also here is some more people who started working at an early age:David Farragut, who started work early at 9 as a midshipman and Benjamin Franklin stopped schooling at 10 and started working for his father. The human body wasn't made for anything ffs. If anything, what we consider "work" is unnatural and that's why it destroys our bodies. That's why millions of children died during labor. Are you completely out of your mind? Our bodies are the result of evolution, they're this way to make us survive under the circumstances we lived in when the human race developed through evolution. Keep your creation theories at home, in your basement where nobody will ever find them. Interestingly enough all the people you keep bringing up became rich in societies that were already overall wealthy and had a decently high living standard. Think about it, just for a second. Maybe you should've actually paid attention to what was taught in school, then you wouldn't be having this retarded argument. Child labor is a fucking terrible idea because children cannot make responsible decisions without receiving some kind of education first. PERIOD. Here is a list of MILLIONS who died during child labor. Maybe I'll add a list of the MILLIONS who never had a future because of the lack of education, but only if you ask nicely. + Show Spoiler +Now can we please stop this silencingly retarded discussion because it's going off topic. If you're saying child labor is a smart thing I'll give you what I started with: your view of the world is fucking absurd. When I say the human body was made to work, I mean the body should be fit and strong and capable of physical labor, of course the only way to do that is by doing physical labor, which can be done with work. If the body does not do physical labor the muscles start to degenerate and become weak, that is why I am saying it was made to work. I did not mention anything about creationism so I don't know why you brought that up. If they were in societies with such a high standard of living why did they have to go to work? No, child labor is a great idea, the execution of this idea is poor.
Alright.
Your view of the world is absurd.
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I think people really need a history lesson. Being a child far back in history, chores and other such issues are taught at a fairly young age in a fashion consistent with the child's capabilities. It's not all fun and games like it is today. I think we're a little too entitled nowadays.
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yo guys if we ever get into power let's make sure we're not fucking idiots like the current leaders are k
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On January 04 2013 22:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 22:54 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 22:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 22:29 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 22:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 22:00 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:51 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:40 ElizarTringov wrote:
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I never said the conditions were good, nor did I say I am a fan of forced labor. But the human body was made for work, children can obviously take less loads of work than adults, but other than that I see nothing wrong with it. What a completely pointless thing to say. This is your opinion and nothing else. Children should not be put to work because they cannot make responsible decision for themselves at a young age. That's why (at least here) you can quit school with 15 years and learn a craft, not before that. If an 8 year old boy comes up to you and says "Hey, I want to work at your company!" is he making a responsible decision? No, he's not. Because his brain is not developed enough, he's not educated enough and he doesn't have enough experience to be responsible. No decisions should be make by someone who cannot make responsible decisions. That's why there's education. Is a child responsible enough at the age of 8 to say "Hey I want to go to school!"? He isn't educated enough to make such a decision, his brain is not developed enough to know weather he really wants to go. School doesn't not teach responsibility. School teaches the fake responsibility of homework rather than the real responsibility of work. Wow, you sound like you're 12 and frustrated because your teachers were mean and gave you lots of homework! Simple math lessons teach you rational thinking, biology teaches you to understand organisms and how your body works, history teaches you what fucked up things already happened + politial system, geography & economy lessons, etcetcetcetc. If you think that someone who never went to school can ever make a choice that's as responsible as someone's who did, you're deluded. I guess Andrew Carnegie must have not been as responsible as me. I learned english mostly outside of school. Considering he got lucky with the choice of job he went for (a decision he didn't make himself but was advised by his uncle), yeah. He was not. He was lucky enough to be born into a society where that kind of thing is possible and he was lucky enough to have an uncle who told him it'd be smart to work for a telegraphing company. He received help from Tom Scott and countless others along the way. Imagine he didn't have them. Your argument is so ridiculous, it hurts. And once again, I would name you a few million children who never became millionaires because they worked themselves to death, but I can't. Their names are apparently not important enough to be remembered. Now stop debating about things you don't understand. Why don't we let 8 year olds vote too? They naturally have the right to since they're working. So you are saying the human body was not made to work? What was it made for then? Also here is some more people who started working at an early age:David Farragut, who started work early at 9 as a midshipman and Benjamin Franklin stopped schooling at 10 and started working for his father. The human body wasn't made for anything ffs. If anything, what we consider "work" is unnatural and that's why it destroys our bodies. That's why millions of children died during labor. Are you completely out of your mind? Our bodies are the result of evolution, they're this way to make us survive under the circumstances we lived in when the human race developed through evolution. Keep your creation theories at home, in your basement where nobody will ever find them. Interestingly enough all the people you keep bringing up became rich in societies that were already overall wealthy and had a decently high living standard. Think about it, just for a second. Maybe you should've actually paid attention to what was taught in school, then you wouldn't be having this retarded argument. Child labor is a fucking terrible idea because children cannot make responsible decisions without receiving some kind of education first. PERIOD. Here is a list of MILLIONS who died during child labor. Maybe I'll add a list of the MILLIONS who never had a future because of the lack of education, but only if you ask nicely. + Show Spoiler +Now can we please stop this silencingly retarded discussion because it's going off topic. If you're saying child labor is a smart thing I'll give you what I started with: your view of the world is fucking absurd. When I say the human body was made to work, I mean the body should be fit and strong and capable of physical labor, of course the only way to do that is by doing physical labor, which can be done with work. If the body does not do physical labor the muscles start to degenerate and become weak, that is why I am saying it was made to work. I did not mention anything about creationism so I don't know why you brought that up. If they were in societies with such a high standard of living why did they have to go to work? No, child labor is a great idea, the execution of this idea is poor. Alright. Your view of the world is absurd.
Yeah it must be so since it opposes your view of the world.
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On January 04 2013 22:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 22:54 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 22:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 22:29 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 22:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 22:00 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:51 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:40 ElizarTringov wrote:
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I never said the conditions were good, nor did I say I am a fan of forced labor. But the human body was made for work, children can obviously take less loads of work than adults, but other than that I see nothing wrong with it. What a completely pointless thing to say. This is your opinion and nothing else. Children should not be put to work because they cannot make responsible decision for themselves at a young age. That's why (at least here) you can quit school with 15 years and learn a craft, not before that. If an 8 year old boy comes up to you and says "Hey, I want to work at your company!" is he making a responsible decision? No, he's not. Because his brain is not developed enough, he's not educated enough and he doesn't have enough experience to be responsible. No decisions should be make by someone who cannot make responsible decisions. That's why there's education. Is a child responsible enough at the age of 8 to say "Hey I want to go to school!"? He isn't educated enough to make such a decision, his brain is not developed enough to know weather he really wants to go. School doesn't not teach responsibility. School teaches the fake responsibility of homework rather than the real responsibility of work. Wow, you sound like you're 12 and frustrated because your teachers were mean and gave you lots of homework! Simple math lessons teach you rational thinking, biology teaches you to understand organisms and how your body works, history teaches you what fucked up things already happened + politial system, geography & economy lessons, etcetcetcetc. If you think that someone who never went to school can ever make a choice that's as responsible as someone's who did, you're deluded. I guess Andrew Carnegie must have not been as responsible as me. I learned english mostly outside of school. Considering he got lucky with the choice of job he went for (a decision he didn't make himself but was advised by his uncle), yeah. He was not. He was lucky enough to be born into a society where that kind of thing is possible and he was lucky enough to have an uncle who told him it'd be smart to work for a telegraphing company. He received help from Tom Scott and countless others along the way. Imagine he didn't have them. Your argument is so ridiculous, it hurts. And once again, I would name you a few million children who never became millionaires because they worked themselves to death, but I can't. Their names are apparently not important enough to be remembered. Now stop debating about things you don't understand. Why don't we let 8 year olds vote too? They naturally have the right to since they're working. So you are saying the human body was not made to work? What was it made for then? Also here is some more people who started working at an early age:David Farragut, who started work early at 9 as a midshipman and Benjamin Franklin stopped schooling at 10 and started working for his father. The human body wasn't made for anything ffs. If anything, what we consider "work" is unnatural and that's why it destroys our bodies. That's why millions of children died during labor. Are you completely out of your mind? Our bodies are the result of evolution, they're this way to make us survive under the circumstances we lived in when the human race developed through evolution. Keep your creation theories at home, in your basement where nobody will ever find them. Interestingly enough all the people you keep bringing up became rich in societies that were already overall wealthy and had a decently high living standard. Think about it, just for a second. Maybe you should've actually paid attention to what was taught in school, then you wouldn't be having this retarded argument. Child labor is a fucking terrible idea because children cannot make responsible decisions without receiving some kind of education first. PERIOD. Here is a list of MILLIONS who died during child labor. Maybe I'll add a list of the MILLIONS who never had a future because of the lack of education, but only if you ask nicely. + Show Spoiler +Now can we please stop this silencingly retarded discussion because it's going off topic. If you're saying child labor is a smart thing I'll give you what I started with: your view of the world is fucking absurd. When I say the human body was made to work, I mean the body should be fit and strong and capable of physical labor, of course the only way to do that is by doing physical labor, which can be done with work. If the body does not do physical labor the muscles start to degenerate and become weak, that is why I am saying it was made to work. I did not mention anything about creationism so I don't know why you brought that up. If they were in societies with such a high standard of living why did they have to go to work? No, child labor is a great idea, the execution of this idea is poor. Alright. Your view of the world is absurd.
A person's culture and country greatly affects their perception of the world. Perhaps what he is saying applies best to his own area of residence. I do not agree that the human body was made solely to work, but was most certainly made to help us work. As a child, I only ever cared about satisfying my curiosity. But an adult must work for a livelihood.
Children don't like doing homework, what makes people think they'll be mentally willing and physically capable of handling the work given to them?
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Austria24420 Posts
On January 04 2013 23:13 Unshapely wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 22:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 22:54 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 22:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 22:29 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 22:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 22:00 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2013 21:51 ElizarTringov wrote:On January 04 2013 21:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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What a completely pointless thing to say. This is your opinion and nothing else.
Children should not be put to work because they cannot make responsible decision for themselves at a young age. That's why (at least here) you can quit school with 15 years and learn a craft, not before that.
If an 8 year old boy comes up to you and says "Hey, I want to work at your company!" is he making a responsible decision? No, he's not. Because his brain is not developed enough, he's not educated enough and he doesn't have enough experience to be responsible.
No decisions should be make by someone who cannot make responsible decisions. That's why there's education. Is a child responsible enough at the age of 8 to say "Hey I want to go to school!"? He isn't educated enough to make such a decision, his brain is not developed enough to know weather he really wants to go. School doesn't not teach responsibility. School teaches the fake responsibility of homework rather than the real responsibility of work. Wow, you sound like you're 12 and frustrated because your teachers were mean and gave you lots of homework! Simple math lessons teach you rational thinking, biology teaches you to understand organisms and how your body works, history teaches you what fucked up things already happened + politial system, geography & economy lessons, etcetcetcetc. If you think that someone who never went to school can ever make a choice that's as responsible as someone's who did, you're deluded. I guess Andrew Carnegie must have not been as responsible as me. I learned english mostly outside of school. Considering he got lucky with the choice of job he went for (a decision he didn't make himself but was advised by his uncle), yeah. He was not. He was lucky enough to be born into a society where that kind of thing is possible and he was lucky enough to have an uncle who told him it'd be smart to work for a telegraphing company. He received help from Tom Scott and countless others along the way. Imagine he didn't have them. Your argument is so ridiculous, it hurts. And once again, I would name you a few million children who never became millionaires because they worked themselves to death, but I can't. Their names are apparently not important enough to be remembered. Now stop debating about things you don't understand. Why don't we let 8 year olds vote too? They naturally have the right to since they're working. So you are saying the human body was not made to work? What was it made for then? Also here is some more people who started working at an early age:David Farragut, who started work early at 9 as a midshipman and Benjamin Franklin stopped schooling at 10 and started working for his father. The human body wasn't made for anything ffs. If anything, what we consider "work" is unnatural and that's why it destroys our bodies. That's why millions of children died during labor. Are you completely out of your mind? Our bodies are the result of evolution, they're this way to make us survive under the circumstances we lived in when the human race developed through evolution. Keep your creation theories at home, in your basement where nobody will ever find them. Interestingly enough all the people you keep bringing up became rich in societies that were already overall wealthy and had a decently high living standard. Think about it, just for a second. Maybe you should've actually paid attention to what was taught in school, then you wouldn't be having this retarded argument. Child labor is a fucking terrible idea because children cannot make responsible decisions without receiving some kind of education first. PERIOD. Here is a list of MILLIONS who died during child labor. Maybe I'll add a list of the MILLIONS who never had a future because of the lack of education, but only if you ask nicely. + Show Spoiler +Now can we please stop this silencingly retarded discussion because it's going off topic. If you're saying child labor is a smart thing I'll give you what I started with: your view of the world is fucking absurd. When I say the human body was made to work, I mean the body should be fit and strong and capable of physical labor, of course the only way to do that is by doing physical labor, which can be done with work. If the body does not do physical labor the muscles start to degenerate and become weak, that is why I am saying it was made to work. I did not mention anything about creationism so I don't know why you brought that up. If they were in societies with such a high standard of living why did they have to go to work? No, child labor is a great idea, the execution of this idea is poor. Alright. Your view of the world is absurd. A person's culture and country greatly affects their perception of the world. Perhaps what he is saying applies best to his own area of residence. I do not agree that the human body was made solely to work, but was most certainly made to help us work. As a child, I only ever cared about satisfying my curiosity. But an adult must work for a livelihood. Children don't like doing homework, what makes people think they'll be mentally willing and physically capable of handling the work given to them?
It's not about what children like or don't like. It's that they can't responsibly decide what they like or don't like. Because they're children. So putting them to work is nothing short of abusing them.
I don't care where he's from or how he grew up. His view of the world is absurd. He's for something that already wasted millions of lives. And I bet he would very rapidly change his mind if an 8 year old child had the power to make his decisions for him. He'd be fucked in a matter of hours.
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On January 04 2013 21:33 smokeyhoodoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 21:07 divito wrote:
I lot of this falls on the American people. They've been so ingrained in the idea of having lower taxes, that of course there's money shortfalls everywhere, and the country is facing massive debts. Lower taxes, in incredibly general terms, puts more money into the private businesses and executives through disposable income and consumer spending, instead of towards income tax where the money can be used in other programs to aide the country. China's taxation as a percentage of gdp is around 15%, drastically lower than in the US. Where are their problems concerning this? Same with Hong Kong and Singapore. These countries have strong growth in their economies, and budget surpluses. So how does it follow that low taxes automatically leads to budget shortfalls? Maybe the problem is that a lot of western nations aren't prudent and frugal in their spending and taxation.
China also owns the vast majority of the banking system and almost every heavy industrial company.
Hong Kong government owns all the land in Hong Kong and funds itself via land sales to Hong Kong oligarchs, ensuring that HK real estate is always cripplingly expensive and a significant portion of the population lives in government owned housing
Singapore also provides massive housing subsidies and benefits from being the money laundering capital of South East Asia.
So all America has to do to follow their model is to either (a) nationalize every bank and major corporation in the land or (b) nationalize all the land or (c) find an economy that is 100x the size of the American economy and act as its money laundering center.
Eazy Peazy.
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America should just print more dollars to finance their debt, and thats exactly what they going to do.
That will also devaluate the dollar against the yuan and make america more competitive, something manny americans have been complaining about and what romney was pointing to when he said that china didnt play fair.
Then as soon as the economy picks up, the economy can support the debt and usa can stop printing monney, the dollar goes up again to balance everything, we will be in this flatline of basicly zero real economic growth for 10 more years to come.
The Usa economy is only threathend by 1 thing, and that are the demographic changes. (more older people in relation to young people)
This realy is the only thing that can threaten the usa economy.
All the debt is just virtual, an accounting trick, i realy hope people will understand this one day.
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On January 04 2013 23:21 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 21:33 smokeyhoodoo wrote:On January 04 2013 21:07 divito wrote:
I lot of this falls on the American people. They've been so ingrained in the idea of having lower taxes, that of course there's money shortfalls everywhere, and the country is facing massive debts. Lower taxes, in incredibly general terms, puts more money into the private businesses and executives through disposable income and consumer spending, instead of towards income tax where the money can be used in other programs to aide the country. China's taxation as a percentage of gdp is around 15%, drastically lower than in the US. Where are their problems concerning this? Same with Hong Kong and Singapore. These countries have strong growth in their economies, and budget surpluses. So how does it follow that low taxes automatically leads to budget shortfalls? Maybe the problem is that a lot of western nations aren't prudent and frugal in their spending and taxation. China also owns the vast majority of the banking system and almost every heavy industrial company. Hong Kong government owns all the land in Hong Kong and funds itself via land sales to Hong Kong oligarchs, ensuring that HK real estate is always cripplingly expensive and a significant portion of the population lives in government owned housing Singapore also provides massive housing subsidies and benefits from being the money laundering capital of South East Asia. So all America has to do to follow their model is to either (a) nationalize every bank and major corporation in the land or (b) nationalize all the land or (c) find an economy that is 100x the size of the American economy and act as its money laundering center. Eazy Peazy.
Hmm? (c) is impossible, is there really an economy that is hundred times that of America? (b) would meet many objections, considering that people in America have bought or inherited lands. I didn't get point (a), how would America make money by nationilising every bank? Would it be through loan schemes, interest, etc.?
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