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China to America: Stop the "auto-sadism"

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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
January 03 2013 23:59 GMT
#1
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/01/02/is_this_any_way_to_treat_your_banker

Blunt article from, Shen Dingli, a top-ranked Chinese academic, calling on the US to get its fiscal house in order for the long-term, and stop kicking the can down the road with politically expedient 'compromises'.

The schadenfreude-laden tone aside, Shen's reflects the general mood of most decision-makers in the People's Republic. The PRC does not want to see America go under; it would much rather America do its thing and do it well. Unfortunately, the irrationality and capriciousness (the Chinese word is '任性') of US domestic policy drive them absolutely nuts--and I think you can see it in the article below.

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Is this any way to treat your banker?

SHANGHAI — At the last possible instant, the White House and Congress reached a compromise that prevented the United States from falling off the "fiscal cliff" -- or, as we in China have been calling it, caizheng xuanya.

By raising taxes on households that make more than $450,000 a year, the negotiations will save middle-class families from tax increases and also will likely prevent the United States from going into another recession. China can relax -- for now. Given how deeply the Chinese and U.S. economies are intertwined -- in 2012, the United States imported more than $350 billion of goods from China while exporting just under $90 billion -- a U.S. recession would hurt China's labor force. China's exports to the United States grew at 9.4 percent from 2010 to 2011 and at a similar speed in 2012; if that number slows significantly or becomes negative, it would undercut China's economic prospects and even impair China's social stability.

Why hasn't the United States been able to keep its financial house in order? The United States is the richest country in the world, but since 2009, the U.S. government has spent at least $1 trillion more than it took in. In its first term, the Obama administration aspired to solve all of its country's problems at once: addressing the financial crisis by bailing out businesses and stimulating the markets, wrapping up the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and reforming social security and health care. But the weak economy sent the U.S. federal debt soaring from roughly $10 trillion to $16.4 trillion in just four years. Real reform of the U.S. entitlement system has yet to happen. And the fiscal cliff deal merely locked in George W. Bush's unsustainable tax cuts for most Americans. All this has Chinese elites worried.

Frankly, China is fed up with the performance of U.S. democracy. People's Daily, the mouthpiece of the Communist Party, warned the United States in a recent article not to scare the world so frequently. In Beijing's eyes, the financial crisis instigated by the fall of the U.S. firm Lehman Brothers in 2008, followed by years of slow growth, 2011's debt-ceiling fight, and 2012's fiscal cliff showdown have weakened America considerably. Xinhua, China's national news wire, weighed in on the matter Wednesday: "So the politicians have chosen to kick the can down the road again and again. But as we all know, the can will never disappear. Sometime and somewhere, you might trip over it and fall hard on the ground, or in the U.S. case, into an abyss you can never come out of." By focusing on their own constituents and not making hard decisions for the benefit of the country, America's lawmakers are making things worse; another People's Daily article, published Dec. 31, called the fiscal cliff crisis "auto-sadism" arising from the U.S. political system.

One hopes that the United States can work out a sensible solution. The total 2012 federal budget of $3.8 trillion accounted for roughly a quarter of U.S. GDP. To be sure, the United States can keep sustaining its unbalanced federal account by printing money and selling Treasury bonds. By printing more dollars, the U.S. government stimulates its markets, as well as exports and employment, by increasing its liquidity. But much of this liquidity will actually go abroad, pushing inflation overseas.

Is that any way to treat your banker?


China helps the U.S. economy by lending money to the United States by buying Treasury bonds - it now holds $1.16 trillion of U.S. debt. U.S.-China cooperation has helped save the United States from financial insolvency -- and China has benefited from this system by keeping its currency competitive -- but this enablement has come with risks, including weakening the credibility of the U.S. dollar. To fundamentally improve its economy, the United States needs to stop the financial gimmicks and boost its exports the old-fashioned way, through innovation, while encouraging its citizens to increase their incomes and decrease their spending. China wants to partner with a healthy, balanced United States, not a profligate, irresponsible one.

And even if America's day of reckoning has been postponed, China still faces the risk that the United States could fall off one fiscal cliff or another in the future. Without a fundamental restructuring of the U.S. budget that significantly raises income while cutting expenses, the United States looks like a disaster waiting to happen.

No wonder many Chinese see an America in decline, even if many Americans don't believe it yet. We see few signs that the United States is ready to reinvent its national narrative and mission. But here in Shanghai, we understand basic math pretty well. The United States needs to balance its consumption and savings; weigh its pursuit of al Qaeda in Afghanistan with other foreign-policy goals; and cut its spending on defense and social welfare. How can Washington be responsible for the rest of the world if it can't even take care of itself?
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Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
January 04 2013 00:01 GMT
#2
i hope we heed the message
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a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
January 04 2013 00:04 GMT
#3
It really is ridiculous beyond words the way this (US politics) has been proceeding.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
Atrbyg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States513 Posts
January 04 2013 00:04 GMT
#4
On January 04 2013 09:01 Aveng3r wrote:
i hope we heed the message


Agreed. The US gov needs to get its act together.
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
January 04 2013 00:08 GMT
#5
Translation: The US should prioritize stability that allows China to continue taking advantage of an undervalued yuan.

He might be right that the US is playing too much brinksmanship with fiscal policy, but we're not taking lectures about global responsibility and health over irresponsibility from China of all places.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
January 04 2013 00:08 GMT
#6
On January 04 2013 09:04 a_flayer wrote:
It really is ridiculous beyond words the way this (US politics) has been proceeding.

It's a great thing that gerrymandering means that no much no insane either party appears to be, it is becoming more and more difficult for that to actually matter at the ballot box.

We have a legal form of vote rigging yo.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-04 00:08:46
January 04 2013 00:08 GMT
#7
So China wants US to pay its people peanuts like they do? Maybe open infamous work camps as well...

User was temp banned for this post.
LittleRedBoy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States229 Posts
January 04 2013 00:09 GMT
#8
The United States is already beyond repair. I mean the Federal Government is already effectively bankrupt and in the next decade or so, things are going to get a lot worse here. You can blame the politicians.
CrimsonLotus
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Colombia1123 Posts
January 04 2013 00:09 GMT
#9
For a country that spends so much on it's military, by far the biggest threat to it's future seems to be coming from within.
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
January 04 2013 00:10 GMT
#10
I actually like USA, its culture and what it has achieved, I don't even mind the extreme nationalism that certain individuals in USA demonstrates (note, I said certain, not everyone in the entire USA) But when it comes to dealing with money and the economics then I don't know what to say.
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-04 00:15:31
January 04 2013 00:14 GMT
#11
On January 04 2013 09:10 Integra wrote:
I actually like USA, its culture and what it has achieved, I don't even mind the extreme nationalism that certain individuals in USA demonstrates (note, I said certain, not everyone in the entire USA) But when it comes to dealing with money and the economics then I don't know what to say.


The downside to the US culture of individualism/capitalism etc. Everyone (including the parties) are selfish and looking out for #1. As much as people like to say "we are united" and stuff people are always looking for their own interests or their own parties interests first. This leads to competition rather than cooperation to find things that will benefit the country as a whole in our government.
Never Knows Best.
Boypartz
Profile Joined September 2010
United States24 Posts
January 04 2013 00:14 GMT
#12
You can blame the politicians but ultimately it's the American people who are to blame for letting this happen.
Jdizz eats poop.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18845 Posts
January 04 2013 00:17 GMT
#13
On January 04 2013 09:09 LittleRedBoy wrote:
The United States is already beyond repair. I mean the Federal Government is already effectively bankrupt and in the next decade or so, things are going to get a lot worse here. You can blame the politicians.

I can certainly see why a young Native American boy might consider the US beyond repair.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
LittleRedBoy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States229 Posts
January 04 2013 00:18 GMT
#14
On January 04 2013 09:14 Boypartz wrote:
You can blame the politicians but ultimately it's the American people who are to blame for letting this happen.


Well you're correct. The vast majority of Americans don't care or even realize that these politicians are ruining everything. Oh, and we can't forget about Ben Bernanke. I'm surprised that there are still trees left in the world after all the money that he has printed.
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
January 04 2013 00:20 GMT
#15
On January 04 2013 09:18 LittleRedBoy wrote:
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On January 04 2013 09:14 Boypartz wrote:
You can blame the politicians but ultimately it's the American people who are to blame for letting this happen.


Well you're correct. The vast majority of Americans don't care or even realize that these politicians are ruining everything. Oh, and we can't forget about Ben Bernanke. I'm surprised that there are still trees left in the world after all the money that he has printed.

Bernanke doesn't print anything, grampa. These days it's all 1s and 0s.
LittleRedBoy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-04 00:23:36
January 04 2013 00:21 GMT
#16
On January 04 2013 09:17 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 09:09 LittleRedBoy wrote:
The United States is already beyond repair. I mean the Federal Government is already effectively bankrupt and in the next decade or so, things are going to get a lot worse here. You can blame the politicians.

I can certainly see why a young Native American boy might consider the US beyond repair.


The US government is bankrupt, that is a fact. The only reason that the US economy hasn't completely crashed is because they are spending and printing trillions of dollars. Eventually the chickens are going to come home to roost.

On January 04 2013 09:20 coverpunch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 09:18 LittleRedBoy wrote:
On January 04 2013 09:14 Boypartz wrote:
You can blame the politicians but ultimately it's the American people who are to blame for letting this happen.


Well you're correct. The vast majority of Americans don't care or even realize that these politicians are ruining everything. Oh, and we can't forget about Ben Bernanke. I'm surprised that there are still trees left in the world after all the money that he has printed.

Bernanke doesn't print anything, grampa. These days it's all 1s and 0s.


You do realize that I was being sarcastic?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18845 Posts
January 04 2013 00:23 GMT
#17
On January 04 2013 09:21 LittleRedBoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 09:17 farvacola wrote:
On January 04 2013 09:09 LittleRedBoy wrote:
The United States is already beyond repair. I mean the Federal Government is already effectively bankrupt and in the next decade or so, things are going to get a lot worse here. You can blame the politicians.

I can certainly see why a young Native American boy might consider the US beyond repair.


The US government is bankrupt, that is a fact. The only reason that the US economy hasn't completely crashed is because they are spending and printing trillions of dollars. Eventually the chickens are going to come home to roost.

What sort of chicken are these? Do they cuckoo as the sun rises like a cock, or do they simply threaten to?
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
January 04 2013 00:24 GMT
#18
I'm not sure what to say. I mean, he's right, a lot of us know he's right, but what does this really change?
America is still going to go straight to hell, regardless of the fact that everyone with half a brain knows that we're heading there. Our system is broken, it encourages all the wrong things.
You see, there is nothing special about the human race, there is no x-factor, no soul, nothing magical that cannot be computed. What a system encourages is what eventually becomes dominant. Evolution is a prime example of this. In our case, our system encourages politicians (probably the most dirty profession in the world, outside of things like terrorists and drug kingpins), it encourages CEOs with no pity, remorse, compassion or morals, it encourages selling out, it encourages stupidity, it encourages all kinds of horrible shit that's just destroying our country.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-04 00:27:50
January 04 2013 00:26 GMT
#19
On January 04 2013 09:23 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 09:21 LittleRedBoy wrote:
On January 04 2013 09:17 farvacola wrote:
On January 04 2013 09:09 LittleRedBoy wrote:
The United States is already beyond repair. I mean the Federal Government is already effectively bankrupt and in the next decade or so, things are going to get a lot worse here. You can blame the politicians.

I can certainly see why a young Native American boy might consider the US beyond repair.


The US government is bankrupt, that is a fact. The only reason that the US economy hasn't completely crashed is because they are spending and printing trillions of dollars. Eventually the chickens are going to come home to roost.

What sort of chicken are these? Do they cuckoo as the sun rises like a cock, or do they simply threaten to?

The chickens reside in the bond market, my friend. Imagine the bond market as a forest. The higher the debt-to-GDP ratio rises while interest rates remain low, the drier and hotter that forest gets, and the more likely it is to suffer a forest fire.

Bond prices are at record highs today in spite of a massive glut of new treasury supply. However, secondary trading volume has thinned dramatically, while price movements (volatility) have hit a sort of plateau reminiscent of the waning days of the 1920s stock market.
Что?
Striker.superfreunde
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany1120 Posts
January 04 2013 00:26 GMT
#20
Wow, that's some serious thing going on there.

Has the US to show his cards?
Is china bluffing?

Is the world order caused to change?
'Your ak is pretty... uhm... dank!'
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