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Anyone read her book yet?
Introversion Awareness - Page 11
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kaykaykay
Singapore637 Posts
Anyone read her book yet? | ||
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teapot
United Kingdom266 Posts
And what I always took to be my basic selfishness and misanthropy is actually me just needing to "recharge my social battery" with some "quiet alone time". Thank god for that. Lol. I always knew I was a genius and not an anti-social asshole. | ||
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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Butterednuts
United States859 Posts
Perhaps I'll check out a book on introversion. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On December 21 2012 15:44 Barrin wrote: I'm not putting anyone into any category. I'm hardly celebrating introverts... I'm only showing why its okay to be introverted if that's what you happen to be (I'm not deciding it for anyone). huh? my exact words: "These questionnaires can help you figure out your set of leanings:" I agree 100%. Zzzz.... go back and skim over your OP. Sure you're celebrating, not plain informing people. =P ... Compare your OP with a random "breast cancer awareness" thingy, the difference is huge. However, since sleep is awesome I found my real issue with this: - "I prefer to not interact with people if possible." - This statement describes a preference, a character trait. I'm even fine with calling it an introverted character trait. - "I'm not good at interacting with people." - This statement talks about a skill-set. Something that's learnable, teachable and practicable. Now, if you talk about the category of "being an introvert" suddenly the lines between the two statements above become blurry, which is not a good thing when it comes to figuring out ones weaknesses, strengths and in general trying to improve oneself. Let's look at some quotes from the last few pages: On December 21 2012 19:51 PandaCore wrote: I mean, I'm introverted, I know that, but they make me feel that it's ok and normal to be that way. I often find myself feeling awkward in social situations and I'm not much of a talker. I don't really like small talk and often just get to the point, especially in my working environment. "Feeling awkward in social situations" = Skillset. More precisely associated emotion with a weak skillset. "Not much of a talker" = Skillset. "I don't really like small talk" = Preference. Might be skillset related because of the negative association. On December 21 2012 14:04 MetalPanda wrote: Thanks for this thread, I understand myself much better with that. For example, I couldn't figure out why I've never been able to say much except to people that really shares some of the same interests as me, I can listen and answer to people and crack a few jokes here and there, but even if I try to come up with small talk, nothing really comes. -"Not able to say much ecept to people who share some my interests". - DUH. Every single person on this planet has an easier time talking to people who share interests with someone. -"If I try to come up with small talk, nothing really comes." - Skillset related. That's what I meant originally by "shifting away responsibility from the individual to some higher power". Suddenly "being an introvert" doesn't mean "I have lot of introverted preferences" anymore but it provides an excuse for being weak at certain skillsets. Whether you like doing math or a certain foreign language directly correlates with being good at it. Here's the deal: If someone would tell you that you're bad at math because... you're bad at math you will never improve. Tell someone who is bad at math (...but would like to be better at it) that you'll teach him for a while, he learns some more of it and THEN says "Wow, I understand how this works now but I STILL don't like it" then, and only then, you can be sure it's about his preference and not related to his weak skillset in the area. Do I make more sense now? :> | ||
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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La1
United Kingdom659 Posts
I got this as my result o_O oh i just did the jung typology test and got ENTP | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
(or answer those questions based on the feeling/mood they are in, at that moment; which is the same thing as lying from an overall perspective) | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On December 21 2012 23:48 xM(Z wrote: the reason for the abundance of intp/intj here, is that extroverts lie. (or answer those questions based on the feeling/mood they are in, at that moment; which is the same thing as lying from an overall perspective)why would smb lie to look like an introvert? | ||
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Cubu
1171 Posts
btw, what do you mean by this : emphasize that success comes through being highly social and outgoing Isn't the way to success the same throughout every society? That is, by getting good marks and other ways that contribute to society or results in getting alot of money. How does being social and outgoing make you successful? | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
On December 21 2012 23:56 Cheerio wrote: why would smb lie to look like an introvert? 'cause you like the feeling you get when you're belonging to ... it makes you warm inside | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
On December 21 2012 23:57 Cubu wrote: honestly, i don't see introversion as something that needs awareness. Introverts and extroverts are just normal people who live together quite well. But then again, i don't live in america so i might be wrong. introversion is blamed for most of the mass xxx-sprees that happen out there plus, they are the main target of bullies. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On December 21 2012 23:22 Barrin wrote: Uh no. I don't like cooking, but I'm actually very good at it, because I like good food which encouraged me to practice. Not liking something is not the same as not being good at it. Go check out the list of introverted actors... most of those people identify themselves as shy and reserved around people and yet they're fucking amazing actors. In fact introverts often feel like actors, and they're good at it even if they don't like it. BTW you're talking about skills which are learned, it is talent that you are born with. Talent is how good that person is at math to begin with... Talent is a strength/weakness too, not just acquired skills. Again, the only problem here is how the label is being used. If you never bothered to cook because someone told you "You can't cook well because you're male" that's on the same level as saying "You can't interact well with people because you're an introvert" aka utter bullshit. The list of introverted actors? Who TOLD you that they're introverted? What is that person basing that claim on? Most of the people in this thread who stand up and say "Hey I can totally relate to this or that result of this or that personality test!" simply fall into the trap of how those test results are presented: In a very similar way to horoscopes, filled with cold reading that applies to most people who read them. You populate certain images of how someone should be if he is "an introvert". It is no different from any other lable you could attach to a certain group of people. I work in an industry that is pretty much based on "helping shy and introverted people" - from that experience I dare saying that most of the people I have dealt with aren't "introverted" or "shy"; - they're just bad at interacting with people because no one ever told them how to. But, hey, instead you can also give them a reason to believe that this is how they were born, this is how it will be and there's nothing they can change about it. Happiness and freedom doesn't come from being able to say "I am an introvert and I'm proud to be one", it comes from getting rid of labels like this which artificially limit the individuals growth. | ||
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On December 21 2012 23:57 Cubu wrote: honestly, i don't see introversion as something that needs awareness. Introverts and extroverts are just normal people who live together quite well. But then again, i don't live in america so i might be wrong. btw, what do you mean by this : Isn't the way to success the same throughout every society? That is, by getting good marks and other ways that contribute to society or results in getting alot of money. How does being social and outgoing make you successful? Because people higher up in the organization notice you more easily. Because your coworkers feel more comfortable around you. Because you make a larger dent. You're louder and you take more place. It's very easy to think that "If you do your job well, you get promoted" when the fact is that it's a bit more complex than that. A company is, usually, a social environment, and while one might wish that they are only evaluated on how efficient they work, their social competence will usually also matter a lot. | ||
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WTFZerg
United States704 Posts
I don't really enjoy going out and spending time with large groups of people for long periods of time because frankly, people piss me off. But I am told I am pretty charismatic and know for a fact that I have won people over by pretending to care. I've always aced job interviews and I have absolutely no problem with public speaking, but I only do well in those situations because I know I'm going to get something out of it, whether it be a job, a good grade, or just recognition. On December 21 2012 23:57 Cubu wrote: honestly, i don't see introversion as something that needs awareness. Introverts and extroverts are just normal people who live together quite well. But then again, i don't live in america so i might be wrong. btw, what do you mean by this : Isn't the way to success the same throughout every society? That is, by getting good marks and other ways that contribute to society or results in getting alot of money. How does being social and outgoing make you successful? Being invisible in the business world is worse than being dead; at least people will recognize your name if you died on company time. If you are incapable of selling your product, your skills, and your self you are not going to do as well as far as promotions and income as someone who can. It does not even matter if you're the best of the best; If you cannot sell your self you're basically screwed. Networking plays such a massive role in professional success that the adage "It's not what you know, it's who you know" is pretty much always going to be accurate. Not to say it's that way in all cases, but it holds true in a lot of situations. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On December 22 2012 00:16 Barrin wrote: Yes, that is utter bullshit. I don't know why you would listen to someone who's talking like that. No... that's just how they might be, more specifically, what the way some have been. I never said that's how introverts should be. Don't put words in my mouth. I still think you're misunderstanding what it means you be an introvert. You seem to be attaching all sorts of connotations that aren't actually there. Everyone has a slew of personality traits that arise or not depending on the circumstances. You seem to think that when someone says "I am an introvert" they are saying "I am always of an introverted mindset"... when all they're really saying is that the most of the personality traits that tend to arise in them are more on the introverted side of the spectrum. This is extremely flexible, it is you who are being rigid. Your entire OP is full of glorifying, celeberatory quotes that have nothing to do with being introverted or not, most of them trying to attach certain values to the whole topic. That's how you project your own values onto the topic, that has nothing to do with "raising awareness". Again, compare your OP to any type of "promotion" you can find on breast cancer awareness, you won't find such a huge emotional context in those texts. You aim to provoke emotional responses and unlogic conclusions, that in it's very nature has nothing to do with "raising awareness". The pretty much first big argument started by you saying "Fuck you" to someone who told you that identifying with labes such as "introvert" is bullshit, but it's obviously the other side who is being rigid. You WANT to see people bashing on introverts because you're emotionally attached to the definition, because you try to define yourself via an artificial category. Again, this has nothing to with raising awareness. Once again, the issue is that you're encouraging people to say "I am bad at interacting with people because I'm an introvert" instead of saying "I am bad at interacting with people". If you're now going to tell me that this isn't at all what you're trying to communicate, look at most of the responses from "introverted" people in this thread. It seems to be what people take as the gist of your "awareness raising". | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
I can accurately say I'm more extroverted in an online environment, but that's about it. I spend more than 2/3s of my time alone (I don't count my cat), can go days and weeks without speaking to another person (unless required, ie work), and it doesn't bother me. So... what? The real introverts are the lurkers. | ||
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NoBanMeAgain
United States194 Posts
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SnipedSoul
Canada2158 Posts
On December 22 2012 00:31 felisconcolori wrote: I find it remarkable that a post regarding introversion has reached 11 pages. The OP is long, contains a lot of information. There follows a lot of replies. But... maybe I'm not technically an introvert. Maybe I'm more properly pathologically antisocial. Because I have no real need or want to get in on the exposition going on here about "yay, me too" or "heh - I'm not" or even "you're wrong because" and "I'm right because"... I can accurately say I'm more extroverted in an online environment, but that's about it. I spend more than 2/3s of my time alone (I don't count my cat), can go days and weeks without speaking to another person (unless required, ie work), and it doesn't bother me. So... what? The real introverts are the lurkers. Introverts can talk as much as anyone if they find a topic that interests them. Is it that surprising that a topic about introversion is interesting to introverts? I'm really introverted and won''t say much in most conversations because I don't really follow pop culture or regular sports and I don't care for gossip. However, if you ask me about music, video games, science, or philosophy I will keep talking until you force me to stop. | ||
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