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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8038 Posts
ISTJ here, although the numbers are very low on everything. Introvert at 30%, two of the attributes at under 10 and the last at 1%. Fits quite nicely, as I feel myself I'm a slight introversion, but I don't hate doing extroversion things. | ||
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nucLeaRTV
Romania822 Posts
Second test gave me: Itroverted (I) 74.19% Extroverted (E) 25.81% Intuitive (N) 51.43% Sensing (S) 48.57% Thinking (T) 78.13% Feeling (F) 21.88% Judging (J) 67.57% Perceiving (P) 32.43% Your type is: INTJ | ||
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HumpingHydra
Canada97 Posts
On December 22 2012 01:33 Barrin wrote: I guess I just don't understand why someone would use a label for anything other than communication. I mean I literally do the exact same thing with precisely every other word. The chemicals in my brain are not the same thing as the symbol I use to express them.. the set of chemicals that are fired in my brain when I see a given symbol is going to be slightly different than your brain.. every time.. for every. single. word. This was in the middle of "My Inner INTJ" part btw: "The internal form of the INTJ's thoughts and concepts is highly individualized, and is not readily translatable into a form that others will understand. However, the INTJ is driven to translate their ideas into a plan or system that is usually readily explainable, rather than to do a direct translation of their thoughts. They usually don't see the value of a direct transaction, and will also have difficulty expressing their ideas, which are non-linear." You see what I'm sayin? I won't deny that there are extroverts with problems stemming from extroversion... but I would assert that in American society there are way more introverts with problems stemming from their introversion. Furthermore, I expect to find mostly introverts among this audience (we introverts love our video games). No offense taken, and I mean none (apologies to Mstring where I did expressly mean it, I shouldn't have done that and my intuition was in fact wrong). This may be due to the fact that I am currently taking a lot of sciences at university, and learning about phylogeny and all the other good stuff I want to forget now that finals are over but... When you make a classification system, do you not make it so that you fit into a category? In my mind you don't assemble categories to split people half way into them. That wouldn't make sense (to me at least). If its an animal, it needs to have a set of characteristics that define it as an animal (kind of, as it actually matters more about descent). We don't call a bacteria an animal because it shares many of the characteristics of animals. If I categorize my books, I don't put one of them in fiction and non-fiction. That would defeat the purpose of categorizing. In my mind at least, this is why labels/categories are dangerous (and that might be from how I think about them). If the test, which obviously has had some research put into it, tells me I am ABCD, then I will tend to believe it. Now this ABCD doesn't technically limit me to the abilities of an ABCD, but I, and I think most other people too, will tend to attach an "because I am an ABCD" to the end of their reasoning as to why they do certain things. One of my worries is that you give a paragraph like the "My inner INTJ". These are someone else's words that you choose to describe you. I would fear this very much, maybe not for you specifically, as you may be quite strong in your personality. I would fear it because a person who listens to how someone else describes them, before knowing how he would describe himself, does not know who he is and what he is like. How can you listen to an external source, expecting it to know you better than you know yourself? I hope people don't need a test to tell them what they're preferences are. This personality classification seems (in my mind) to set people up for categorizing themselves and subconsciously limiting themselves more than understanding who they are and why they do what they do. | ||
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
Proof? Almost every introvert who posted here making the "being bad at interacting with people/disliking it" = being introverted connection in this thread. You literally JUST said "WE are just describing ourselves". That's a line that can easily come from any feminist, pro-choicer or whatever group with special interests you want to pick. It's "us against them" in a nutshell. The Myers-Briggs personality types, specifically how they are presented in your tests are plain unsuable because they are filled with cold reading. Just take this quote of yours from the last page: "INTJs live in the world of ideas and strategic planning. They value intelligence, knowledge, and competence, and typically have high standards in these regards, which they continuously strive to fulfill." Go out on the streets and ask people if they value intelligence, knowledge and competence. Ask them if they have high standards. Ask them if they have lots of ideas. "Strategic planning" is the only buzzword that's not universally applicable in that statement. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
Feels like everyone is INTJ | ||
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puppykiller
United States3126 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
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Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
On December 22 2012 01:55 r.Evo wrote: More than half of your "famous quotes" are saying "Look anyone who thinks like me is awesome!" - A disclaimer saying "It's okay to be yourself" after a 10 page essay full of mostly untrue/unprovable preconceptions doesn't turn the whole thing around. Proof? Almost every introvert who posted here making the "being bad at interacting with people/disliking it" = being introverted connection in this thread. You literally JUST said "WE are just describing ourselves". That's a line that can easily come from any feminist, pro-choicer or whatever group with special interests you want to pick. It's "us against them" in a nutshell. The Myers-Briggs personality types, specifically how they are presented in your tests are plain unsuable because they are filled with cold reading. Just take this quote of yours from the last page: Go out on the streets and ask people if they value intelligence, knowledge and competence. Ask them if they have high standards. Ask them if they have lots of ideas. "Strategic planning" is the only buzzword that's not universally applicable in that statement. Ah great. I always felt like this Myer Briggs test was pretty bullshit. But it's used widely isn't it? | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
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Xenocryst
United States521 Posts
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On December 22 2012 02:09 Recognizable wrote: Ah great. I always felt like this Myer Briggs test was pretty bullshit. But it's used widely isn't it? From what I understand it's mostly an anglo-american thing. In Germany at least people see the MBTI more as what it is, an indicator. It's about preferences, not personality traits. It also explicitly includes learning behaviour, meaning it is not some kind of accurate model to describe future actions but is intended to analyze actions in retrospect to be able to modify behaviours for the future. If you want to do a fun exercise, pick a random personality type from one of the tests in the OP, show it to a person who knows you well and ask them how much they think it fits to your personality without much more information. It's very, very rare to get answers below 50%. =P http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator#Validity | ||
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On December 22 2012 01:33 Barrin wrote: I mean I literally do the exact same thing with precisely every other word. The chemicals in my brain are not the same thing as the symbol I use to express them.. the set of chemicals that are fired in my brain when I see a given symbol is going to be slightly different than your brain.. every time.. for every. single. word. What do you mean by different? that it is just not the same? | ||
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Zaragon
Sweden235 Posts
Being an introvert is not an “excuse”. Calling it an excuse puts it in an absolutely ridiculous context far from the purpose, or any proper usage, of the term. It can however be an explanation for anyone who has yet to come across the concept. Better than generally shitty words like “shyness”, or putting negative connotations to “social skills” because someone doesn’t do small talk. Introversion awareness is important because too many introverts get mislabeled by extroverts in social contexts and start to think of themselves as "socially awkward" because of it. And that in no way says it’s an “us against them” issue, because it is a highly individual matter. Being an introvert is not a disorder or anything of the like; it’s the same as talking about emotional and unemotional people and the social consequences their interaction has. The tests and labels are nothing really, they’re just descriptions. How accurate they are doesn’t matter because there is no scale for them to be accurate about. People will generally recognize themselves and perhaps think about themselves from a different perspective for a moment. I’m sure some people will get stuck in that perspective too, because there always are people who do get stuck in a single perspective—any perspective—but most people have thousands of perspectives from which to view themselves, and this one is, in fact, useful as one of those. And truth is, if you are an introvert and make the effort of reading the whole thing, you are smart enough to put it in enough perspective and context to avoid locking yourself to a single perspective. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
I get that you personally apparently don't seem tobe attaching limiting beliefs with certain descriptions. That is cool and no problem at all. What happens with readers of your OP is that if they fall into the trap of "Oh that sounds like me" they will take the information you present as an authority on the topic. If that authority tells them they belong to category xyz they will, in most cases, inherit the limiting beliefs that go along with it. This personality classification seems (in my mind) to set people up for categorizing themselves and subconsciously limiting themselves more than understanding who they are and why they do what they do. Sure, you say that you hope that people won't do that, but that's what usually happens when some kind of authority tells them something that sounds remotely plausible. Grab someone who is very shy, has weak social skills and get a doctor to tell him he has social anxiety, he most likely will believe him. Your OP is full of descriptions how introverts are and how they aren't. That in itself combined with the "we are a group"-propaganda will lead most "introverted" readers to the logic fallacy of "I have certain introvert traits" -> "I am an introvert" -> "I have most of these traits". | ||
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nucLeaRTV
Romania822 Posts
On December 22 2012 01:50 nucLeaRTV wrote: I'm an Introvert(78%) iNtuitive(88%) iNtuitive Thinking(38%) Judging(22%) - INTJ. Second test gave me: Itroverted (I) 74.19% Extroverted (E) 25.81% Intuitive (N) 51.43% Sensing (S) 48.57% Thinking (T) 78.13% Feeling (F) 21.88% Judging (J) 67.57% Perceiving (P) 32.43% Your type is: INTJ Did some digging about INTP and INTJ and I find myself having mostly INTP characteristics. Is there any test to differentiate between only INTJ and INTP ? I shall look closely into both to see which one I feel fits me best. | ||
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farvacola
United States18822 Posts
On December 22 2012 02:30 nucLeaRTV wrote: Did some digging about INTP and INTJ and I find myself having mostly INTP characteristics. Is there any test to differentiate between only INTJ and INTP ? I shall look closely into both to see which one I feel fits me best. Dude, you don't need either of them to fit you, you only need to fit yourself. If you don't fall neatly into one of the categories, thats OK! Barrin, it is precisely thought patterns like that above that r.Evo and others are speaking to when they criticize your OP. | ||
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