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On February 26 2013 14:00 Dawski wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 13:34 Abraxas514 wrote:Not only related to the PQ, but montreal and quebec politics in general: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/education/quebec-to-raise-university-tuition-fees-despite-strong-opposition/article9018652/Our higher education summit ends exactly the way it began: Tuition price + 3%. This is exactly what Marois was saying she would do for the past couple weeks, and absolutely nothing changed during the summit. I'm afraid (in the polite sense) that she just shafted the last group that would've supported her. It must be tough being in power in a time of recession, but Obama did just fine. It's sad that the entire 'maple spring' ends on a draconian note: "Let the adults take care of business, students, we actually really don't care what you've got to say." Not that I ever supported the red square, but to see leaders shove away young adults like this is disgusting. I've usually agreed with you in this thread but seriously? People are complaining about a 3% increase of tuition? What is that like $40-$80 a year? I'm quite sure that might even be less than the inflation rate of education nowadays which would make it a rollback lol. It's not shocking that people will actually have to make a business strategy and ignore the entitled students who think that money comes from trees in order to get the education system back on the road to sustainable.
Personally I totally agree with the hike. I thought the hike the liberals proposed would help universities deliver better education.
What bothers me is how nonchalantly our prime minister sweeps the students that voted her into office under the rug (although, I was not one of them. Just commenting on her personal values.)
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On February 26 2013 14:11 Abraxas514 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 14:00 Dawski wrote:On February 26 2013 13:34 Abraxas514 wrote:Not only related to the PQ, but montreal and quebec politics in general: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/education/quebec-to-raise-university-tuition-fees-despite-strong-opposition/article9018652/Our higher education summit ends exactly the way it began: Tuition price + 3%. This is exactly what Marois was saying she would do for the past couple weeks, and absolutely nothing changed during the summit. I'm afraid (in the polite sense) that she just shafted the last group that would've supported her. It must be tough being in power in a time of recession, but Obama did just fine. It's sad that the entire 'maple spring' ends on a draconian note: "Let the adults take care of business, students, we actually really don't care what you've got to say." Not that I ever supported the red square, but to see leaders shove away young adults like this is disgusting. I've usually agreed with you in this thread but seriously? People are complaining about a 3% increase of tuition? What is that like $40-$80 a year? I'm quite sure that might even be less than the inflation rate of education nowadays which would make it a rollback lol. It's not shocking that people will actually have to make a business strategy and ignore the entitled students who think that money comes from trees in order to get the education system back on the road to sustainable. Personally I totally agree with the hike. I thought the hike the liberals proposed would help universities deliver better education. What bothers me is how nonchalantly our prime minister sweeps the students that voted her into office under the rug (although, I was not one of them. Just commenting on her personal values.)
ahh sorry, I guess I read that wrong.
Yeah your governor pretty much pissed off everyone that actually voted for her for her own merrit lol. Oh well looks like all the students are back voting for Quebec Solidaire
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On February 26 2013 14:22 Dawski wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 14:11 Abraxas514 wrote:On February 26 2013 14:00 Dawski wrote:On February 26 2013 13:34 Abraxas514 wrote:Not only related to the PQ, but montreal and quebec politics in general: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/education/quebec-to-raise-university-tuition-fees-despite-strong-opposition/article9018652/Our higher education summit ends exactly the way it began: Tuition price + 3%. This is exactly what Marois was saying she would do for the past couple weeks, and absolutely nothing changed during the summit. I'm afraid (in the polite sense) that she just shafted the last group that would've supported her. It must be tough being in power in a time of recession, but Obama did just fine. It's sad that the entire 'maple spring' ends on a draconian note: "Let the adults take care of business, students, we actually really don't care what you've got to say." Not that I ever supported the red square, but to see leaders shove away young adults like this is disgusting. I've usually agreed with you in this thread but seriously? People are complaining about a 3% increase of tuition? What is that like $40-$80 a year? I'm quite sure that might even be less than the inflation rate of education nowadays which would make it a rollback lol. It's not shocking that people will actually have to make a business strategy and ignore the entitled students who think that money comes from trees in order to get the education system back on the road to sustainable. Personally I totally agree with the hike. I thought the hike the liberals proposed would help universities deliver better education. What bothers me is how nonchalantly our prime minister sweeps the students that voted her into office under the rug (although, I was not one of them. Just commenting on her personal values.) ahh sorry, I guess I read that wrong. Yeah your governor pretty much pissed off everyone that actually voted for her for her own merrit lol. Oh well looks like all the students are back voting for Quebec Solidaire
Essentially, it's dirty politics taken too far. She rode the students wave to get elected, and now she's moving back to the center to get ready for the next elections since her minority government most likely won't hold. My take is that it's an insult to the PQ and an insult to their principles, and my bet is that their campaign strategist had no damn clue what he's doing, and doesn't realize that the PQ's platform is the left now. If they lose their left-leaning politics, their platform will be the independence stuff that's not enough to get elected, at least not anymore
In other words, their strategical centrism will get them to lose the next elections IMO.
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There's many nasty words I could say about the PQ, even the students. I can say in truth, I'm not surprised in the least.
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This makes me sad:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2013/03/01/montreal-french-italian-english-caffe-gamba.html
The story here is a French Canadian took a trip to Italy once, and got the Idea to open an Italian-style coffee shop and call it "Caffè in Gamba", which can be translated literally to "espresso on the ball." (Note: It isn't english)
The reason why this is so disappointing is because of it's style. In Italian, you say "Caffè" to mean "Italian-style espresso" specifically. It's the same as "fish and chips" which refers to a specific way of preparing food.
The fact that the OQLF has a problem with this is really really sad. This isn't a matter of french anymore, it's a matter of culture. Montreal is a place where you can find any culture in the world, and have it's food/art/music celebrated. This screams xenophobia and intolerance.
Here is another anecdote where the interesting parts are highlighted:
Instead of pursuing its original goal of making sure every Quebecer can get services in French, they have taken to bullying businesses for the most insignificant uses of languages other than 'the chosen language.' On/off labels on switches are no longer acceptable, even handwritten lists used only by chefs in a kitchen – away from the public’s eyes – can only be in French as well. These cases themselves are violations of French Charter, which assures a “spirit of fairness and open-mindedness, respectful of the institutions of the English-speaking community of Québec, and respectful of the ethnic minorities, whose valuable contribution to the development of Québec it readily acknowledges.” This government agency has no room for open-mindedness. Why else would they seek to find an alternative name for Quebec City’s vélo boulevard only because it’s a literal translation of the English term ‘bicycle boulevard’?
And Old Montreal restaurateur Maurice Holder said he had been ordered by the OQLF to cover up “on” and “off” buttons on the microwave and “hold” and “redial” buttons on the phone.
Make up your own mind...
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2013/03/06/montreal-student-protest-tuition-hike-parti-quebecois.html
The related piece is this:
"We are angry," the organizers declared in a Facebook page urging people to fill the street.
"The Pequiste increase is almost the same as the Liberals, except over a longer period."
So thousands of students in the streets again. Mostly French Canadian, as they seen to be the most passionate about micro-tuition. The sad part is it took them an average of what, 21 years?, to realize that governments lie and trick their way into getting elected.
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It's mostly French Canadians because that's the majority of the people in this province, ye know  .
Also, they know that governments lie and trick their way into getting elected, but governments are also typically smart enough not to piss off their electors, ESPECIALLY when it's in a minority government that WILL fall.
The PQ is playing their cards all wrong.
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On March 07 2013 00:52 Djzapz wrote:It's mostly French Canadians because that's the majority of the people in this province, ye know . Also, they know that governments lie and trick their way into getting elected, but governments are also typically smart enough not to piss off their electors, ESPECIALLY when it's in a minority government that WILL fall. The PQ is playing their cards all wrong.
What I meant to say by the demographic is that the English universities are under-represented. This (AFAIK) is because of the following: Large international student base, generally wealthier families, higher percentage of in-city families (living with parents) and finally, anglophones are simply less likely to riot in the streets.
The interesting part there is that "The Pequiste increase is almost the same as the Liberals". I think 3% per year and 15% per year are worlds apart. The former isn't actually an increase. I think student leaders just don't understand the time value of money, and the PQ seems to forget the students were the swing that allowed it to nail that tiny minority government (31.6%).
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Got this from facebook, pretty eye opening.
"It dawned on me as I went through the interviews I gave following last week's anti-Bill 14 demonstration, that people - including commentators - did not know what this Bill is about. It is only tangentially about language. Language is the excuse for some of the most retrograde initiatives a western liberal jurisdiction can enact. Following is a list of just five of the most shameful elements of the Bill.
1. The Bill eliminates the term of law "ethnic minorities" which is a human rights designation in the UN Covenant on Human Rights (1948), The UN Covenant on Ethnic, Religious and Linguistic Minorities (1992), The Inter-Parliamentary Alliance Quebec City Declaration (Oct.2012, accepted by this very government, the Canadian Charter and the Quebec Charter, with the designation of "cultural communities" which has no legal standing. Quebec thus becomes the first western democratic jurisdiction to opt out of an international human rights convention regime.
2. The Bill gives inspectors for the OQLF the power to seize anything in a place of business that they find objectionable; go to the director of criminal and penal prosecutions; swear out an affidavit; and get a court judgment for $2500 without any notice to the citizen. Quebec thus becomes the first western democratic jurisdiction to allow prosecutions without notice, a basic tenat of western law for a thousand years and considered by Montesquieu in "Les ésprits des lois" to be the basis of civilized legal regimes. Actually, Revenue Quebec officers had that power for a year and a half until I got that changed working with Jean St-Gelais, then DG of RevQue, now head of the fonction publique.
3. The Parti Québecois has since its founding in 1970 made respect for ``démocratie locale`` a foundational organizing principle. Bill 14 will do away with bilingual status for the 89 municipalities - 70 of them more than 90% francophone - who have passed resolutions stating that they wish to retain their bilingual status. So much for local democracy.
4. Sec. 33 of this Bill directs anglophone Cegeps not to consider any applications from francophone students until all anglophone applications have been accepted. That`s called segregation. Would we ever accept this if instead of anglophone we used the word "men" and instead of francophone we used the word "women." Standards based on language are as discriminatory as those based on color, gender, or religion.
5.Soldiers who risk their lives for our safety will be forced to send their children to French schools even if they have been transferred here from other parts of the country and are themselves anglophones. Eliminating the Bill 101 exemption for soldiers is simply odieux.
People should read the Bill. And understand that evil is possible here. The bill is not about language. It is a venal attempt by a government that has had to back away from almost all its promises to keep its `"pur et dur" in line through the politics of demonization, nullification and interposition"
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=488228667906760&set=a.126361207426843.19917.100001588920435&type=1&theater
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On March 07 2013 06:09 iAmWaKai wrote:Got this from facebook, pretty eye opening. "It dawned on me as I went through the interviews I gave following last week's anti-Bill 14 demonstration, that people - including commentators - did not know what this Bill is about. It is only tangentially about language. Language is the excuse for some of the most retrograde initiatives a western liberal jurisdiction can enact. Following is a list of just five of the most shameful elements of the Bill. 1. The Bill eliminates the term of law "ethnic minorities" which is a human rights designation in the UN Covenant on Human Rights (1948), The UN Covenant on Ethnic, Religious and Linguistic Minorities (1992), The Inter-Parliamentary Alliance Quebec City Declaration (Oct.2012, accepted by this very government, the Canadian Charter and the Quebec Charter, with the designation of "cultural communities" which has no legal standing. Quebec thus becomes the first western democratic jurisdiction to opt out of an international human rights convention regime. 2. The Bill gives inspectors for the OQLF the power to seize anything in a place of business that they find objectionable; go to the director of criminal and penal prosecutions; swear out an affidavit; and get a court judgment for $2500 without any notice to the citizen. Quebec thus becomes the first western democratic jurisdiction to allow prosecutions without notice, a basic tenat of western law for a thousand years and considered by Montesquieu in "Les ésprits des lois" to be the basis of civilized legal regimes. Actually, Revenue Quebec officers had that power for a year and a half until I got that changed working with Jean St-Gelais, then DG of RevQue, now head of the fonction publique. 3. The Parti Québecois has since its founding in 1970 made respect for ``démocratie locale`` a foundational organizing principle. Bill 14 will do away with bilingual status for the 89 municipalities - 70 of them more than 90% francophone - who have passed resolutions stating that they wish to retain their bilingual status. So much for local democracy. 4. Sec. 33 of this Bill directs anglophone Cegeps not to consider any applications from francophone students until all anglophone applications have been accepted. That`s called segregation. Would we ever accept this if instead of anglophone we used the word "men" and instead of francophone we used the word "women." Standards based on language are as discriminatory as those based on color, gender, or religion. 5.Soldiers who risk their lives for our safety will be forced to send their children to French schools even if they have been transferred here from other parts of the country and are themselves anglophones. Eliminating the Bill 101 exemption for soldiers is simply odieux. People should read the Bill. And understand that evil is possible here. The bill is not about language. It is a venal attempt by a government that has had to back away from almost all its promises to keep its `"pur et dur" in line through the politics of demonization, nullification and interposition" https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=488228667906760&set=a.126361207426843.19917.100001588920435&type=1&theater
I chose not to delve into Bill 14 in this thread because it's such a can of worms. Perhaps, all of the proponents of separatism should be aware that it comes with a price. If Quebec becomes it's own country, I can guarantee you it will not be a left of center, progressive change. And think, the PQ is the "less extreme" of the separatist parties.
But, to be absolutely fair, here is the reddit counterargument:
http://www.reddit.com/r/politicalfactchecking/comments/19a9fg/rmontreal_redditor_claims_bill_14_will_radically/c8mbtmp
But to be honest, everybody knows laws can be used in many ways. I mean, how the hell can a 'corporation' be considered a 'legal person' without some legal manipulation? How did Jews go from writing a J on their passport to not being able to own businesses? Fucking magnets?
Anyhow, here is montreal's response to Bill 14:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2013/03/06/quebec-parents-petition-language-bill-national-assembly.html
(Interestingly enough, in that video Marois admits the "pastagate" story is rediculous.)
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Quebec has a premier not a Prime Minister.
I've only read about 6 pages of this thread and skimmed most of the rest so I might be missing something in my observations, forgive me if that is the case.
Bill 101 fascism or not; restricts freedom of speech in a very similar way as labeling on food or safety instructions on products. That restriction is put there for the consumer, there can be no argument about that, restrictions are not for the regulators, of course they benefit from it but the reason they exist is for "end user". So I think the question that has to be answered is what is the reason for bill 101.
Is the objective of bill 101 to retard the appearance of the english dominance? OR to provide service to a significant people group that is legally and politically supported?
The evidence provided in this thread seems to me to indicate that the scope of this law is too great, and I think that many of you can agree with that. Having regulators fine businesses for using "fish and chips" is exceeding what I believe the people would mandate.
That is the only question that I think is important in this debate everything else is just personal spin and emotion getting in the way. I think this question can be answered by the application of said law. Now I am unaware of the actually written part of the law in question and probably even if I did read it laws are notorious for using facetious language to describe a simple topic as to create wiggle room at a later date.
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On March 07 2013 11:54 Gofarman wrote:
Quebec has a premier not a Prime Minister.
This is somewhat of a "Frenchisism".
In French it's "Premier Ministre"
Which in English is literally "First Minister" so we say "Prime Minister".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier
In many nations, "premier" is used interchangeably with "prime minister".
"Premier" is also the title of the heads of government in sub-national entities, such as the provinces and territories of Canada, states of the Commonwealth of Australia, provinces of South Africa, the island of Nevis within the Federation of Saint Kitts and Nevis, and the nation of Niue. In some of these cases, the formal title remains "Prime Minister" but "Premier" is used to avoid confusion with the national leader. In these cases, care should be taken not to confuse the title of "premier" with "prime minister". In these countries, terms such as "Federal Premier", "National Premier", or "Premier of the Dominion" were sometimes used to refer to prime ministers, although these are now obsolete. In Canadian French, the equivalent of the English word "premier" is "premier ministre", which is also the word used for "prime minister".
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On March 07 2013 05:11 Abraxas514 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 00:52 Djzapz wrote:On March 07 2013 00:45 Abraxas514 wrote:http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2013/03/06/montreal-student-protest-tuition-hike-parti-quebecois.htmlThe related piece is this: "We are angry," the organizers declared in a Facebook page urging people to fill the street.
"The Pequiste increase is almost the same as the Liberals, except over a longer period." So thousands of students in the streets again. Mostly French Canadian, as they seen to be the most passionate about micro-tuition. The sad part is it took them an average of what, 21 years?, to realize that governments lie and trick their way into getting elected. It's mostly French Canadians because that's the majority of the people in this province, ye know . Also, they know that governments lie and trick their way into getting elected, but governments are also typically smart enough not to piss off their electors, ESPECIALLY when it's in a minority government that WILL fall. The PQ is playing their cards all wrong. What I meant to say by the demographic is that the English universities are under-represented. This (AFAIK) is because of the following: Large international student base, generally wealthier families, higher percentage of in-city families (living with parents) and finally, anglophones are simply less likely to riot in the streets. The interesting part there is that "The Pequiste increase is almost the same as the Liberals". I think 3% per year and 15% per year are worlds apart. The former isn't actually an increase. I think student leaders just don't understand the time value of money, and the PQ seems to forget the students were the swing that allowed it to nail that tiny minority government (31.6%).
Well I'll give my position about that. I'm sitting this one out because it's somewhat reasonable from the PQ, but I was rather active during the last student "strikes" despite the fact that I'm toward the end of my studies and I wouldn't benefit from lower tuition fees. Plus unlike others, I've been lucky enough to never have any financial issues as far as this goes. Yet fighting against higher tuition fees makes sense to me because it's the kind of shit I stand for.
The reason why protests are going on is that they've typically been successful, which is the reason why education in Quebec is so heavily subsidized. Students and their supporters will rush to the street the second they feel threatened. Some idiots participate, some bastards who just want to save money participate, but some of them just have a social conscience, and lean to the left politically.
The problem though is that even tho 3% is reasonable, it could easily lead to a slippery slope. And so people are defensive.
Edit: And yeah premier ministre in French, prime minister in English. I rarely hear the PM being referred to as "premier" although it's correct too.
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On March 07 2013 12:16 Abraxas514 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 11:54 Gofarman wrote:
Quebec has a premier not a Prime Minister.
This is somewhat of a "Frenchisism". In French it's "Premier Ministre" Which in English is literally "First Minister" so we say "Prime Minister". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PremierShow nested quote +"Premier" is also the title of the heads of government in sub-national entities, such as the provinces and territories of Canada, states of the Commonwealth of Australia, provinces of South Africa, the island of Nevis within the Federation of Saint Kitts and Nevis, and the nation of Niue. In some of these cases, the formal title remains "Prime Minister" but "Premier" is used to avoid confusion with the national leader. In these cases, care should be taken not to confuse the title of "premier" with "prime minister". In these countries, terms such as "Federal Premier", "National Premier", or "Premier of the Dominion" were sometimes used to refer to prime ministers, although these are now obsolete. In Canadian French, the equivalent of the English word "premier" is "premier ministre", which is also the word used for "prime minister". Cheers
GJ ignoring the important part of my post. Language is only effective if you use the best form, this is an english language forum and you are predominantly arguing with english language speakers, use the best form. Arguing semantics only contributes to my bias against french people.
EDIT- I didn't actually want to say this in the main body of my reply so here is it as an edit; I have great respect for federalism in Canada and strongly believe that Canada is more than just a sum of the parts. Using the term Prime Minister to describe your Premier creates the impression (whether intended or not) of Quebec as a separate nation and is very abhorrent to my sensibilities.
All that is a greater issue though, and not directly applicable to this conversation, hopefully you understand my intent is not to degrade the office of the Premier in Quebec but to esteem the office of Prime Minister of Canada
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On March 07 2013 12:29 Gofarman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 12:16 Abraxas514 wrote:On March 07 2013 11:54 Gofarman wrote:
Quebec has a premier not a Prime Minister.
This is somewhat of a "Frenchisism". In French it's "Premier Ministre" Which in English is literally "First Minister" so we say "Prime Minister". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PremierIn many nations, "premier" is used interchangeably with "prime minister". "Premier" is also the title of the heads of government in sub-national entities, such as the provinces and territories of Canada, states of the Commonwealth of Australia, provinces of South Africa, the island of Nevis within the Federation of Saint Kitts and Nevis, and the nation of Niue. In some of these cases, the formal title remains "Prime Minister" but "Premier" is used to avoid confusion with the national leader. In these cases, care should be taken not to confuse the title of "premier" with "prime minister". In these countries, terms such as "Federal Premier", "National Premier", or "Premier of the Dominion" were sometimes used to refer to prime ministers, although these are now obsolete. In Canadian French, the equivalent of the English word "premier" is "premier ministre", which is also the word used for "prime minister". Cheers GJ ignoring the important part of my post. Language is only effective if you use the best form, this is an english language forum and you are predominantly arguing with english language speakers, use the best form. Arguing semantics only contributes to my bias against french people. EDIT- I didn't actually want to say this in the main body of my reply so here is it as an edit; I have great respect for federalism in Canada and strongly believe that Canada is more than just a sum of the parts. Using the term Prime Minister to describe your Premier creates the impression (whether intended or not) of Quebec as a separate nation and is very abhorrent to my sensibilities. All that is a greater issue though, and not directly applicable to this conversation, hopefully you understand my intent is not to degrade the office of the Premier in Quebec but to esteem the office of Prime Minister of Canada
Pointless argument. PM is the official title. We call PMs 'premiers' purely to distinguish them from the federal PM. But just like the "crown" discussion earlier, its completely irrelevant.
Also, I don't want this to be a thread about Bill 101, unless it is as it pertains to the PQ.
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sup folks, the actual thing with the "pasta" thing was a fake
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=484978848218272&set=a.324109114305247.73488.156743514375142&type=1&theater
actually the whole menu is in english.... "never underestimate the dishonest people who are too racist to acknowledge that Quebec is french".
and yet again
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2013/03/07/quebec-intensive-english-program-parti-quebecois.html
So now it is quite obvious the PQ doesn't really want francophones to learn english in school. This is the first step in a slippery slope. Way to go PQ, there's no one way you can alienate your own people more than by removing their second language education. . I think you do not understand our language priority... french, then english. it's not alienating at all, our gouvernment pays for intensive english school at 5th and 6th grade of elementary, we have english throuhout secondary and cegep, PLUS we're surrounded by an english world. we finance equally english universities like concordia and mcgill (semester cost are about the same, the difference is mostly due to "coûts afférents")WTF are you talking about. i just don,t get it. WE ALIENATE OUR SECOND LANGUAGE LEARNING WTf how much money R.O.C puts in BILINGUISM AND second language learning. French communities even require that WE as a province help them to have their linguistical rights respected oustide quebec WTF. and now we're the bad guys.
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On March 09 2013 03:09 crazyweasel wrote:sup folks, the actual thing with the "pasta" thing was a fake http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=484978848218272&set=a.324109114305247.73488.156743514375142&type=1&theateractually the whole menu is in english.... "never underestimate the dishonest people who are too racist to acknowledge that Quebec is french". and yet again Show nested quote +http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2013/03/07/quebec-intensive-english-program-parti-quebecois.html
So now it is quite obvious the PQ doesn't really want francophones to learn english in school. This is the first step in a slippery slope. Way to go PQ, there's no one way you can alienate your own people more than by removing their second language education. . I think you do not understand our language priority... french, then english. it's not alienating at all, our gouvernment pays for intensive english school at 5th and 6th grade of elementary, we have english throuhout secondary and cegep, PLUS we're surrounded by an english world. we finance equally english universities like concordia and mcgill (semester cost are about the same, the difference is mostly due to "coûts afférents")WTF are you talking about. i just don,t get it. WE ALIENATE OUR SECOND LANGUAGE LEARNING WTf how much money R.O.C puts in BILINGUISM AND second language learning. French communities even require that WE as a province help them to have their linguistical rights respected oustide quebec WTF. and now we're the bad guys.
So a facebook group called "Quebec Francais" puts up a picture of their English menu? What does that prove? Restaurants are allowed to have entirely English menus as long as they have entirely French ones. The group that you're quoting is precisely the kind of people who alienate Anglophones in this province.
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Also, about that group you're quoting, it equates McGill University with cancer...
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=485291544853669&set=a.324109114305247.73488.156743514375142&type=1&theater
Just to give you an idea of the xenophobic nature of the people who believe this crap.
EDIT: another nice example from their facebook page:
Comme le dit un commentateur sur la page : « Où sont nos chers défenseurs du bilinguisme ? » La vérité, vous la connaissez si vous suivez notre page : le bilinguisme est l'outil dont se sert la majorité anglaise pour assimiler la minorité française. Quand tous les citoyens francophones parlent anglais, l'anglais devient de facto la langue commune. C'est le destin qui nous attend si nous ne mettons pas fin au bilinguisme qu'on nous impose de plus en plus au Québec.
My translation:
Like the commentator said on the page: "where are our dear defenders of biligualism?". The truth, you'll know if you follow our page: Bilingualism is a tool that the Anglophone majority use to assimilate the french minority. When all francophone citizens speak anglish, it will become the de facto language. Thats the detiny that awaits us if we don't put an end to bilingualism that's imposed on us more and more in quebec.
This is SO DISGUSTING. It's a hate group. The only point you're proving is that people like this exist. On the first few pages of this thread people were accusing me of intolerance toward french... but the page you just posted, that everyone who understands french should take a look at, highlights french canadian xenophobia all by itself.
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