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On February 21 2013 10:01 Dawski wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 09:58 Kukaracha wrote:On February 21 2013 09:52 Dawski wrote:
When my dutch grandparents were dirt poor in the netherlands they got all the money they could and got on the first boat to canada and assimilated into a new culture because that's what was necessary Yeah, but, they weren't invaded... they immigrated! It's a little harsh to blame native americans for not adapting, it's like stealing someone's house, planting them a tent outside, and telling them to deal with it! There's a dude who did that in France though, he murdered a family and basically took their home. He would chill outside and tell people that the owners gave him the house. Exactly, it is harsh, but it's the fact of life. you pick yourself up off the floor, stop feeling self-pity like we all would in that situation and change for the better. Is there any possible way you can get the house back after multiple generations of that mans family living in that house? no? then you have to adapt no matter how much life pushed you down
Well, in that very case the man got arrested obviously, I mean it was a pretty grotesque situation.
It's true that you can always "man up" to situations, but I wouldn't say that to people who suffered tragedies I can't imagine going through myself... I see it as blind anger or depression, it's hard to talk people out of it, not only because the feelings involved are strong but also because the person is so involved while we are so distant from the problem that we don't really have much weight in their decisions.
It's much easier to say "hey man, just GG" when you see someone losing a Starcraft game than saying "hey man, let it go" when you see someone losing their child!
Before I go to bed, I will once again stress how nice canadian people are. Random strangers smiled at me on the street, I got on buses and boats for free, just all these little things that make you think, damn, these people actually care.
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On February 21 2013 09:01 crazyweasel wrote:
I want you to explain to me right now how my stance on the student strike in Quebec equates to me "not understanding Quebecs problems"
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well, PQ supported the strike agaisnt an increase of university cost. right now it is offering an indexation which is a progressive increase. PQ is a minority at "assemblée nationale" that said it cannot take extreme mesures and has to respect that 60% didnt vote for them. that said they, for obvious political reasons cannot offer free university like the student leagues are presently wihsing for. politics in quebec are much more complex. we have great divisions between the left wing mostly because of the nationalist question. part of the left thinks its gonna profit the quebecois bourgeois class and not the people. while other leftist think both fit together. we also have rightwing that is separatist too (which is why PQ is so weird as a party - they have both left and right within). and the last part of your political view is liberal (rightwing pro-canada). we're mostly separatist in quebec but can't obtain a majority since of these "chisms" withing the left and separatists. while the strike movement is lefty they dont agree with all of PQ politics
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On February 21 2013 10:08 quebecman77 wrote:
you guy need to understand something first , QUEBEC = french first , that the NATIVE Langage of quebec .
now since many year both english and french are used , but before the 101 law in many place in montreal people were talking ONLY in english , same for restaurant and place , menue only in english , public place who was talking ONLY english and many people who were coming in quebec were not even learning french ( and BIG % still dont )
from someone who talk french that was REALY disgusting and WRONG .
THINK about people coming in usa and talking not in your langage , open place and store where they talk and give service only in french ...
so before the whole quebec turn english only they have passed the law 101 , the law only give some right in quebec
public place need to give service in english AND french , restaurant need to have menue in english and french and so on.
if you want to stay in a country that the less you can do ..... respect the native langage .
I feel I understand that quite well. I just wish that you would understand the big culture clash here. Where I come from in vancouver, BC we have a large asian community. The richmond area is notorious for having more mandarin speakers than there are english speakers. If this trend continues outward and the english in BC become the minority, I would have to adapt and learn mandarin just for the sake of best interest. A lot of anglophones (and a lot of francophones for that matter) don't feel that situation should be as disgusting and wrong as you think it is (not trying to generalize). If the only reason I have to defend the fact that they should learn english is the fact that it says so on our offical languages section then I feel I am being unreasonable.
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On February 21 2013 10:11 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 10:01 Dawski wrote:On February 21 2013 09:58 Kukaracha wrote:On February 21 2013 09:52 Dawski wrote:
When my dutch grandparents were dirt poor in the netherlands they got all the money they could and got on the first boat to canada and assimilated into a new culture because that's what was necessary Yeah, but, they weren't invaded... they immigrated! It's a little harsh to blame native americans for not adapting, it's like stealing someone's house, planting them a tent outside, and telling them to deal with it! There's a dude who did that in France though, he murdered a family and basically took their home. He would chill outside and tell people that the owners gave him the house. Exactly, it is harsh, but it's the fact of life. you pick yourself up off the floor, stop feeling self-pity like we all would in that situation and change for the better. Is there any possible way you can get the house back after multiple generations of that mans family living in that house? no? then you have to adapt no matter how much life pushed you down Well, in that very case the man got arrested obviously, I mean it was a pretty grotesque situation. It's true that you can always "man up" to situations, but I wouldn't say that to people who suffered tragedies I can't imagine going through myself... I see it as blind anger or depression, it's hard to talk people out of it, not only because the feelings involved are strong but also because the person is so involved while we are so distant from the problem that we don't really have much weight in their decisions. It's much easier to say "hey man, just GG" when you see someone losing a Starcraft game than saying "hey man, let it go" when you see someone losing their child! Before I go to bed, I will once again stress how nice canadian people are. Random strangers smiled at me on the street, I got on buses and boats for free, just all these little things that make you think, damn, these people actually care.
I have a lot of people to respond to on here it's hard to manage xD.
What you're saying is the point of view that most including myself would like to take. Because we feel sorry for someone for all they've went through we don't want to direct any judgements towards them. The problem is they're already feeling enough self-pity and when someone goes and validates that it can potentially really hurt them in the long run. People start to get obsessed with the fact that they've been hard-done by. Sometimes what it takes is a emotionless machine (not literally) from the outside to tell them how to get out of the situation they are stuck in for the betterment of their lives.
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I suppose this is a good learning period for me because I guess I don't understand it. What would the forcing of people away from their culture have to do with them being forced into poverty? Are you saying the residential schools forced kids to not have a relationship with their parents and in turn caused both to turn to alcoholism?[/QUOTE]
let me google that for you : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system
this has been terribad for the native people. we ( the federal government ) destroyed their culture, their pride, their families and they also literally got raped in the ass. it is one of the major reasons why nowadays the natives are perceived as a fucked up people who are only good at leeching the government and inhaling fuel fumes.
and you should not go about telling people their culture fails because they made laws that ensure the perennity of their langage in a globalizing/-ed world where anyone coming from a 3rd world shithole can get off the plane and get welfare free healthcare-education and so on...
back in the 1760's the guy who was comissioned by the british crown to find out what was going on with Canadians ( Lord Durham ) said that we would be assimilated in a couple generations cause we had no identity, no culture, no pride, w/e...
so yeah. my culture must be failing bigtime.
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I feel I understand that quite well. I just wish that you would understand the big culture clash here. Where I come from in vancouver, BC we have a large asian community. The richmond area is notorious for having more mandarin speakers than there are english speakers. If this trend continues outward and the english in BC become the minority, I would have to adapt and learn mandarin just for the sake of best interest. A lot of anglophones (and a lot of francophones for that matter) don't feel that situation should be as disgusting and wrong as you think it is (not trying to generalize). If the only reason I have to defend the fact that they should learn english is the fact that it says so on our offical languages section then I feel I am being unreasonable.
seems like you have a hard time making the difference between immigrants culture and one of the two founding people of this nation.
French and English are the official langages of Canada, Mandarin chinese is not.
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On February 21 2013 10:19 crazyweasel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 09:01 crazyweasel wrote:
I want you to explain to me right now how my stance on the student strike in Quebec equates to me "not understanding Quebecs problems"
post well, PQ supported the strike agaisnt an increase of university cost. right now it is offering an indexation which is a progressive increase. PQ is a minority at "assemblée nationale" that said it cannot take extreme mesures and has to respect that 60% didnt vote for them. that said they, for obvious political reasons cannot offer free university like the student leagues are presently wihsing for. politics in quebec are much more complex. we have great divisions between the left wing mostly because of the nationalist question. part of the left thinks its gonna profit the quebecois bourgeois class and not the people. while other leftist think both fit together. we also have rightwing that is separatist too (which is why PQ is so weird as a party - they have both left and right within). and the last part of your political view is liberal (rightwing pro-canada). we're mostly separatist in quebec but can't obtain a majority since of these "chisms" withing the left and separatists. while the strike movement is lefty they dont agree with all of PQ politics
Sure some of that is news to me but I don't see how that goes against the point I was making that, in that situation the students are clearly in the wrong. That's all i was pointing towards in that statement by trying to prove that while biases exist in everyone, there is a time and place when one bias may be more advantageous over another. Just a misunderstanding of the point I was making I guess.
Then again as I look at this can more people from Quebec back up the fact that the majority of Quebec are actually for the separation but just belong to different idealogical parties? I was always told that a small majority (25-30%) of Quebecers were the ones that were for the separation and that they (the other more pro-canada ones) get a bad name because of it
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On February 21 2013 10:38 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote + I feel I understand that quite well. I just wish that you would understand the big culture clash here. Where I come from in vancouver, BC we have a large asian community. The richmond area is notorious for having more mandarin speakers than there are english speakers. If this trend continues outward and the english in BC become the minority, I would have to adapt and learn mandarin just for the sake of best interest. A lot of anglophones (and a lot of francophones for that matter) don't feel that situation should be as disgusting and wrong as you think it is (not trying to generalize). If the only reason I have to defend the fact that they should learn english is the fact that it says so on our offical languages section then I feel I am being unreasonable. seems like you have a hard time making the difference between immigrants culture and one of the two founding people of this nation. French and English are the official langages of Canada, Mandarin chinese is not.
My point is who the hell cares what your official language is!? you learn the language you have to in order to best serve your interests. I'm trying to come to this discussion with the bias that preserving culture is a useless idea because it grants nothing to your life other than nationalism and pride.
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so now you say I should not be proud of my culture?? that nationalism is bad??
wtf man
lets agree to disagree
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Thanks to them all the chances of us ever getting a majority government is flushed down the toilet. Hurray for more elections to waste taxes on! ... Fuck
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On February 21 2013 10:38 Dawski wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 10:19 crazyweasel wrote:On February 21 2013 09:01 crazyweasel wrote:
I want you to explain to me right now how my stance on the student strike in Quebec equates to me "not understanding Quebecs problems"
post well, PQ supported the strike agaisnt an increase of university cost. right now it is offering an indexation which is a progressive increase. PQ is a minority at "assemblée nationale" that said it cannot take extreme mesures and has to respect that 60% didnt vote for them. that said they, for obvious political reasons cannot offer free university like the student leagues are presently wihsing for. politics in quebec are much more complex. we have great divisions between the left wing mostly because of the nationalist question. part of the left thinks its gonna profit the quebecois bourgeois class and not the people. while other leftist think both fit together. we also have rightwing that is separatist too (which is why PQ is so weird as a party - they have both left and right within). and the last part of your political view is liberal (rightwing pro-canada). we're mostly separatist in quebec but can't obtain a majority since of these "chisms" withing the left and separatists. while the strike movement is lefty they dont agree with all of PQ politics Sure some of that is news to me but I don't see how that goes against the point I was making that, in that situation the students are clearly in the wrong. That's all i was pointing towards in that statement by trying to prove that while biases exist in everyone, there is a time and place when one bias may be more advantageous over another. Just a misunderstanding of the point I was making I guess. Then again as I look at this can more people from Quebec back up the fact that the majority of Quebec are actually for the separation but just belong to different idealogical parties? I was always told that a small majority (25-30%) of Quebecers were the ones that were for the separation and that they (the other more pro-canada ones) get a bad name because of it
no actually a majority of quebecois wants independance but they want it differently.
and why there is so much hate on pro-canada people is because last referendum (last vote for sovereignty) was stolen. we today coonfirm that the " NO side" used federal public fundings to promote the NO campaign (the "lovin" was part of it). we also know that federal goverment increase immigration during this period knowing a freshly coming immigrant would vote no. also there was irregularities on both side(lets be honest) in terms of counting votes. some poles were "PQ controled" while some canadian got their 2nd property transferd in quebec to vote against (stats compiles around 130k people who voted without appearing on the electoral list). i personnaly dont hate them i just hate when ppl like OP post BS on our nationalism and wish to preserve our culture(United Nation attested that our methdos were totally legitimate according to humans rights and collective rights, when it comes to a dilemma between individual right and colelctive rights, collective rights always prevails according to UN).
as for the student its a left-right debate that i don't want to go into (visibly we dont share same side  )
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On February 21 2013 10:47 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
so now you say I should not be proud of my culture?? that nationalism is bad??
wtf man
lets agree to disagree
agreed to agree to disagree haha. I feel that nationalism is bad because it makes someone prideful in virtues that he did nothing to deserve. You want to show respect to your family line? be the best, nicest, most successful person this world has ever seen. Earn your pride
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On February 21 2013 10:41 Dawski wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 10:38 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: I feel I understand that quite well. I just wish that you would understand the big culture clash here. Where I come from in vancouver, BC we have a large asian community. The richmond area is notorious for having more mandarin speakers than there are english speakers. If this trend continues outward and the english in BC become the minority, I would have to adapt and learn mandarin just for the sake of best interest. A lot of anglophones (and a lot of francophones for that matter) don't feel that situation should be as disgusting and wrong as you think it is (not trying to generalize). If the only reason I have to defend the fact that they should learn english is the fact that it says so on our offical languages section then I feel I am being unreasonable. seems like you have a hard time making the difference between immigrants culture and one of the two founding people of this nation. French and English are the official langages of Canada, Mandarin chinese is not. My point is who the hell cares what your official language is!? you learn the language you have to in order to best serve your interests. I'm trying to come to this discussion with the bias that preserving culture is a useless idea because it grants nothing to your life other than nationalism and pride.
Do you believe everyone in the world should speak the same unified language? Hypothetical question, as it won't happen unless there's a higher authority governing it.
Interesting fact: I haven't checked if any conclusive arguments were made recently, but a few years ago, some studies showed that people who knew a lot more languages were prone to live longer. Take it with a grain of salt though, back then the studies weren't conclusive.
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On February 21 2013 10:59 warshop wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 10:41 Dawski wrote:On February 21 2013 10:38 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: I feel I understand that quite well. I just wish that you would understand the big culture clash here. Where I come from in vancouver, BC we have a large asian community. The richmond area is notorious for having more mandarin speakers than there are english speakers. If this trend continues outward and the english in BC become the minority, I would have to adapt and learn mandarin just for the sake of best interest. A lot of anglophones (and a lot of francophones for that matter) don't feel that situation should be as disgusting and wrong as you think it is (not trying to generalize). If the only reason I have to defend the fact that they should learn english is the fact that it says so on our offical languages section then I feel I am being unreasonable. seems like you have a hard time making the difference between immigrants culture and one of the two founding people of this nation. French and English are the official langages of Canada, Mandarin chinese is not. My point is who the hell cares what your official language is!? you learn the language you have to in order to best serve your interests. I'm trying to come to this discussion with the bias that preserving culture is a useless idea because it grants nothing to your life other than nationalism and pride. Do you believe everyone in the world should speak the same unified language? Hypothetical question, as it won't happen unless there's a higher authority governing it. Interesting fact: I haven't checked if any conclusive arguments were made recently, but a few years ago, some studies showed that people who knew a lot more languages were prone to live longer. Take it with a grain of salt though, back then the studies weren't conclusive.
Yes, I am a right-wing person bringing my arguments to the table. I would totally be for a unified language. I don't see how your second point has any backing whatsoever and I don't see how the two correlate.
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On February 21 2013 10:08 quebecman77 wrote:
you guy need to understand something first , QUEBEC = french first , that the NATIVE Langage of quebec .
now since many year both english and french are used , but before the 101 law in many place in montreal people were talking ONLY in english , same for restaurant and place , menue only in english , public place who was talking ONLY english and many people who were coming in quebec were not even learning french ( and BIG % still dont )
from someone who talk french that was REALY disgusting and WRONG .
THINK about people coming in usa and talking not in your langage , open place and store where they talk and give service only in french ...
so before the whole quebec turn english only they have passed the law 101 , the law only give some right in quebec
public place need to give service in english AND french , restaurant need to have menue in english and french and so on.
if you want to stay in a country that the less you can do ..... respect the native langage .
Are you serious?
Your aware that Canada has 2 official languages? PEOPLE SPEAKING ENGLISH IN CANADA IS DISGUSTING! Give me a break...
Lots and Lots of Brown/Asian people don't learn english when they come here especially the old ones and we don't make discriminatory laws against them. You would shit your pants if you went to Asian dominated malls in BC...
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On February 21 2013 14:30 tokicheese wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 10:08 quebecman77 wrote:
you guy need to understand something first , QUEBEC = french first , that the NATIVE Langage of quebec .
now since many year both english and french are used , but before the 101 law in many place in montreal people were talking ONLY in english , same for restaurant and place , menue only in english , public place who was talking ONLY english and many people who were coming in quebec were not even learning french ( and BIG % still dont )
from someone who talk french that was REALY disgusting and WRONG .
THINK about people coming in usa and talking not in your langage , open place and store where they talk and give service only in french ...
so before the whole quebec turn english only they have passed the law 101 , the law only give some right in quebec
public place need to give service in english AND french , restaurant need to have menue in english and french and so on.
if you want to stay in a country that the less you can do ..... respect the native langage .
Are you serious? Your aware that Canada has 2 official languages? PEOPLE SPEAKING ENGLISH IN CANADA IS DISGUSTING! Give me a break... Lots and Lots of Brown/Asian people don't learn english when they come here especially the old ones and we don't make discriminatory laws against them. You would shit your pants if you went to Asian dominated malls in BC...
read better , i agree that canada got 2 official language ( under paper.. ) so you should AGREE that you should get publics service and accomodation in BOTH language , that disgusting that BIG public place was giving service only in english , or you completely miss what i was saying.....
( right now that ONLY true for both english/french in quebec because of law 101 .... ) yes canada got 2 official languages , but let be honest OUTSIDE quebec you will not find many place where they talk french only and french people are not realy welcome in many place... well i will not say not realy welcome but you realy feal like you are NOT in your country where you go outside quebec and that hard find job .
( i have travel to many place outside quebec in canada , and im lucky that my english speaking better that my writing .... )
before the law 101 in quebec the 2 official languages was not respected ( many public place and so on talking only english)
you need to understand that not a discriminatory laws to ask in quebec that service , public place , place for eat , can be for both english and french people . that just some respect for native speaking people who live in quebec canada .
you only need to respect that , not that hard no ? . im pretty sure if you go open for exemple a big phone service in china and give service for help and so on talking only in spanish someone will tell you to change something....
and anyway in reality that not how this work , a big % of people in place like montreal can live their life talking ONLY english just fine , you are not required to learn french in any way.
hope you understand better , and btw im happy to be canadian , but you guy only english speaking need to respect that the only place where you will find french people in your country = quebec , we want to be ok to live your life talking french and be respected too....
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On February 21 2013 23:23 quebecman77 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 14:30 tokicheese wrote:On February 21 2013 10:08 quebecman77 wrote:
you guy need to understand something first , QUEBEC = french first , that the NATIVE Langage of quebec .
now since many year both english and french are used , but before the 101 law in many place in montreal people were talking ONLY in english , same for restaurant and place , menue only in english , public place who was talking ONLY english and many people who were coming in quebec were not even learning french ( and BIG % still dont )
from someone who talk french that was REALY disgusting and WRONG .
THINK about people coming in usa and talking not in your langage , open place and store where they talk and give service only in french ...
so before the whole quebec turn english only they have passed the law 101 , the law only give some right in quebec
public place need to give service in english AND french , restaurant need to have menue in english and french and so on.
if you want to stay in a country that the less you can do ..... respect the native langage .
Are you serious? Your aware that Canada has 2 official languages? PEOPLE SPEAKING ENGLISH IN CANADA IS DISGUSTING! Give me a break... Lots and Lots of Brown/Asian people don't learn english when they come here especially the old ones and we don't make discriminatory laws against them. You would shit your pants if you went to Asian dominated malls in BC... read better , i agree that canada got 2 official language ( under paper.. ) so you should AGREE that you should get publics service and accomodation in BOTH language , that disgusting that BIG public place was giving service only in english , or you completely miss what i was saying..... ( right now that ONLY true for both english/french in quebec because of law 101 .... ) yes canada got 2 official languages , but let be honest OUTSIDE quebec you will not find many place where they talk french only and french people are not realy welcome in many place... well i will not say not realy welcome but you realy feal like you are NOT in your country where you go outside quebec and that hard find job . ( i have travel to many place outside quebec in canada , and im lucky that my english speaking better that my writing .... ) before the law 101 in quebec the 2 official languages was not respected ( many public place and so on talking only english) you need to understand that not a discriminatory laws to ask in quebec that service , public place , place for eat , can be for both english and french people . that just some respect for native speaking people who live in quebec canada . you only need to respect that , not that hard no ? . im pretty sure if you go open for exemple a big phone service in china and give service for help and so on talking only in spanish someone will tell you to change something.... and anyway in reality that not how this work , a big % of people in place like montreal can live their life talking ONLY english just fine , you are not required to learn french in any way. hope you understand better , and btw im happy to be canadian , but you guy only english speaking need to respect that the only place where you will find french people in your country = quebec , we want to be ok to live your life talking french and be respected too....
http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/ID/2337336879/
A OLF agent tells a shop to rename "fish and chips" to "poisson frit et frites" (by the looks of it it's on decarie, an area about 3km from downtown core, very bilingual area). This is what happens: French Canadians disagree. In fact, the OLF disagrees. The office admits there is a provision in bill 101 that allows for the "native expression" of a dish to be used.
I really feel like the examples I've been posting recently, with ben&jerry's, buenanotte and britt&chips, OLF agents interpreted the PQ in power as an excuse to overstep their bounds.
Lets see what JF lisee has to say about that! he's the "anglophone minister" appointed by the french to try to "bridge the gap between cultures". Mostly by making a song, I think. If the PQ wants to bridge gaps, they should hire an actual anglophone as anglophone minister. Just sayan.
Lastly, stop attacking my OP as "lacking quality". I constructed the thread carefully, over three hours of write time and days of research and collecting the good links. Just because it doesn't have funny pictures of koreans doesn't mean it isn't a good thread.
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On February 21 2013 23:23 quebecman77 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 14:30 tokicheese wrote:On February 21 2013 10:08 quebecman77 wrote:
you guy need to understand something first , QUEBEC = french first , that the NATIVE Langage of quebec .
now since many year both english and french are used , but before the 101 law in many place in montreal people were talking ONLY in english , same for restaurant and place , menue only in english , public place who was talking ONLY english and many people who were coming in quebec were not even learning french ( and BIG % still dont )
from someone who talk french that was REALY disgusting and WRONG .
THINK about people coming in usa and talking not in your langage , open place and store where they talk and give service only in french ...
so before the whole quebec turn english only they have passed the law 101 , the law only give some right in quebec
public place need to give service in english AND french , restaurant need to have menue in english and french and so on.
if you want to stay in a country that the less you can do ..... respect the native langage .
Are you serious? Your aware that Canada has 2 official languages? PEOPLE SPEAKING ENGLISH IN CANADA IS DISGUSTING! Give me a break... Lots and Lots of Brown/Asian people don't learn english when they come here especially the old ones and we don't make discriminatory laws against them. You would shit your pants if you went to Asian dominated malls in BC... read better , i agree that canada got 2 official language ( under paper.. ) so you should AGREE that you should get publics service and accomodation in BOTH language , that disgusting that BIG public place was giving service only in english , or you completely miss what i was saying..... ( right now that ONLY true for both english/french in quebec because of law 101 .... ) yes canada got 2 official languages , but let be honest OUTSIDE quebec you will not find many place where they talk french only and french people are not realy welcome in many place... well i will not say not realy welcome but you realy feal like you are NOT in your country where you go outside quebec and that hard find job . ( i have travel to many place outside quebec in canada , and im lucky that my english speaking better that my writing .... ) before the law 101 in quebec the 2 official languages was not respected ( many public place and so on talking only english) you need to understand that not a discriminatory laws to ask in quebec that service , public place , place for eat , can be for both english and french people . that just some respect for native speaking people who live in quebec canada . you only need to respect that , not that hard no ? . im pretty sure if you go open for exemple a big phone service in china and give service for help and so on talking only in spanish someone will tell you to change something.... and anyway in reality that not how this work , a big % of people in place like montreal can live their life talking ONLY english just fine , you are not required to learn french in any way. hope you understand better , and btw im happy to be canadian , but you guy only english speaking need to respect that the only place where you will find french people in your country = quebec , we want to be ok to live your life talking french and be respected too....
I didn't realize I ceased to exist, being a french canadian from the maritimes. Not like there are tons of french people there...
Quebecers always manage to piss me off one way or another. Always spouting that they are discriminated against being "the only" french people in Canada when there are people fighting a real language battle in New-Brunswick which is legally bilingual (the only province with both languages as their main languages) yet you can often only get served in english.
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On February 21 2013 01:16 Abraxas514 wrote:So the habs are #1 on the ladder, city hall is shut down while provincial cops raid every single office, but do you know what makes news in montreal? http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2013/02/19/pastas-interdites-dans-un-resto-italienFor those that don't read french: A very popular upscale Italian restaurant/club-lounge is getting harassed by the OLF. Know why? The word "Pasta" on the menu. Show nested quote +Quelle est la prochaine étape pour Massimo Lecas? «C’est entre les mains de mes avocats, m’a-t-il répondu. Jusqu’ici, ça m’a déjà coûté 4500 $ de frais. Le Buona Notte existe depuis 22 ans et c’est la première fois qu’on se fait dire que notre menu est trop «italien». Basic translation: What's the next step for (the owner)? "It's in the hands of my lawyers, but up until now it's costed me 4500$ of lawyer fees. We've existed for 22 years, and this is the first time our menu was deemed too "Italian". ... Gotta applaud the PQ for giving these guys a nice fat budget instead of my engineering school.
Just like any law or rule applied on a big scale, unless it's applied by robots, some people will be overzealous.
It's a shame injustice happens, but the reality is that we can find similar bad decisions from any other gouvernment agency, and fortunately the ''victims'' have ways to appeal those decisions.
Because some people screw up sometimes doesnt mean the problem comes directly from the law itself. People make mistakes.
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On February 22 2013 02:33 lepape wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 01:16 Abraxas514 wrote:So the habs are #1 on the ladder, city hall is shut down while provincial cops raid every single office, but do you know what makes news in montreal? http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2013/02/19/pastas-interdites-dans-un-resto-italienFor those that don't read french: A very popular upscale Italian restaurant/club-lounge is getting harassed by the OLF. Know why? The word "Pasta" on the menu. Quelle est la prochaine étape pour Massimo Lecas? «C’est entre les mains de mes avocats, m’a-t-il répondu. Jusqu’ici, ça m’a déjà coûté 4500 $ de frais. Le Buona Notte existe depuis 22 ans et c’est la première fois qu’on se fait dire que notre menu est trop «italien». Basic translation: What's the next step for (the owner)? "It's in the hands of my lawyers, but up until now it's costed me 4500$ of lawyer fees. We've existed for 22 years, and this is the first time our menu was deemed too "Italian". ... Gotta applaud the PQ for giving these guys a nice fat budget instead of my engineering school. Just like any law or rule applied on a big scale, unless it's applied by robots, some people will be overzealous. It's a shame injustice happens, but the reality is that we can find similar bad decisions from any other gouvernment agency, and fortunately the ''victims'' have ways to appeal those decisions. Because some people screw up sometimes doesnt mean the problem comes directly from the law itself. People make mistakes.
um except for the fact this type of injustice is actually PROMOTED. They're using the law exactly like they intended to. This isn't the first time this has happened. It's happened many times in the past and there has been opposition but they continue to do so.
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