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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-02 20:47:55
July 02 2017 20:46 GMT
#159701
On July 03 2017 05:13 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2017 05:06 Ghostcom wrote:
On July 03 2017 04:49 zlefin wrote:
On July 03 2017 04:40 RealityIsKing wrote:
On July 03 2017 02:57 On_Slaught wrote:
I was certain Trump would push us towards either the Idiocracy timeline or the Mad Max one. Looks like the former has now become the dominant timeline probability.

But seriously, mental illness is no laughing matter!


Trump doesn't have mental illnesses.

What you get is a bunch of leftist getting upset that their leftist tactics didn't work on stopping Trump becoming president and their last ditch Russia shtick failed and now Trump is humiliating them.

there's no reason to give any credence to your ability to assess someone's mental health. especially given how bad your bias and blinders are.


There are also no one who has conducted a diagnostic interview with Trump and declaring him mentally ill without one such is not only in bad taste, it is unethical and downright moronic. However, you of all people of course already knew that since it has already been substantiated multiple times throughout this thread.

fortunately people only declare him probably mentally ill, not definitely (sometimes shorthanded ofc). also a big difference between a plausible suspicion, people talking on a forum, and a formal declaration which has actual weight.
and yes, I did already know that, so your interjection here seems unhelpful and pointless. It's not in bad taste to point out that the president likely has a mental illness and that some action taken on that would be appropriate. the problem lies with people hwo deny the possibility completely utterly ignoring the factual evidence. It'd be preferable of course if routine testing was always done on the president.


Stop trying to play the semantics game - it doesn't stop being moronic or unethical to declare him "probably mentally ill" rather than "definitely mentally ill". It merely reflects the level of confidence you have in your own ignorant statements. And while there is definitely degrees of bad, it is idiotic to continue to do something bad because it is less bad than if APA (who on multiple occasions said it was bad) did it.

The "Goldwater rule" as it is called in the US exists not only to protect public figures and the proffesion, but also to protect the genuinely mentally ill. And there are frankly NO reason why the vast majority of mental illness (or somatic illness) in itself should be a disqualifier. I mean, sure if we are talking schizophrenia or someone who experiences psychotic episodes, but outside of that? The issue here is ignorance about mental illness (which is why you shouldn't call people without mental illness mentally ill as it merely propagates said ignorance).

My interjection was an attempt at getting you to stop throwing rock whilst living in a glass house. Clearly it failed.

EDIT: Plansix gets it - props!
On July 03 2017 05:20 Plansix wrote:
The farthest I will go with Trump is that something seems off in the way he speaks when compared interviews from 10 years ago. People should avoid calling him mentally ill in general conversation or as an attack. Mental illness isn't something thrown around as an attack and Trump provides us all with more than enough ammo.

xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 02 2017 20:49 GMT
#159702
On July 03 2017 05:41 ChristianS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2017 05:01 xDaunt wrote:
Like I've said before, I prefer Trump's active trolling of the media to W's constant pushover posture. Fuck CNN. They have thrown away their credibility to sink Trump, so Trump absolutely should rub their failure in their face.

Edit: And LOL at all of the people who think that Trump's tweet encourages violence.

This is a bit rich from the guy who tried to pin the Congressional shooting on Democrats' extreme rhetoric. How much more blatant can you get than a video of you literally beating up your political opposition?

There is a big, obvious difference between the quality of my argument and yours. Undermining the legitimacy of the president by arguing repeatedly that he is a Russian stooge and that we are about to undergo Watergate II (among other things) is a completely different animal than Trump using a fake wrestling video to humiliate CNN. Seriously, you should be embarrassed.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 02 2017 20:49 GMT
#159703
On July 03 2017 05:37 Liquid`Drone wrote:
that wrestling tweet is actually funny. does not encourage violence. showcases that you do indeed have a president who should be a WWF heel rather than president, which is disgraceful on its own, but this particular tweet is just funny, imo.

And it also reminds me of the funniest article I read all weekend.
Appalachian Wrestling's Greatest Villain: 'The Progressive Liberal'

Would donate a significant portion of my personal net worth to watch Trump get hit by The Liberal Agenda..

I am not convinced that is the case. In isolation it might be a funny that he retweeted. But his constant refrain is that the press is the enemy of his administration and the people. The press prevents him from speaking with the people directly, twists his words or reports on fake things.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-02 20:53:27
July 02 2017 20:50 GMT
#159704
On July 03 2017 05:46 Ghostcom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2017 05:13 zlefin wrote:
On July 03 2017 05:06 Ghostcom wrote:
On July 03 2017 04:49 zlefin wrote:
On July 03 2017 04:40 RealityIsKing wrote:
On July 03 2017 02:57 On_Slaught wrote:
I was certain Trump would push us towards either the Idiocracy timeline or the Mad Max one. Looks like the former has now become the dominant timeline probability.

But seriously, mental illness is no laughing matter!


Trump doesn't have mental illnesses.

What you get is a bunch of leftist getting upset that their leftist tactics didn't work on stopping Trump becoming president and their last ditch Russia shtick failed and now Trump is humiliating them.

there's no reason to give any credence to your ability to assess someone's mental health. especially given how bad your bias and blinders are.


There are also no one who has conducted a diagnostic interview with Trump and declaring him mentally ill without one such is not only in bad taste, it is unethical and downright moronic. However, you of all people of course already knew that since it has already been substantiated multiple times throughout this thread.

fortunately people only declare him probably mentally ill, not definitely (sometimes shorthanded ofc). also a big difference between a plausible suspicion, people talking on a forum, and a formal declaration which has actual weight.
and yes, I did already know that, so your interjection here seems unhelpful and pointless. It's not in bad taste to point out that the president likely has a mental illness and that some action taken on that would be appropriate. the problem lies with people hwo deny the possibility completely utterly ignoring the factual evidence. It'd be preferable of course if routine testing was always done on the president.


Stop trying to play the semantics game - it doesn't stop being moronic or unethical to declare him "probably mentally ill" rather than "definitely mentally ill". It merely reflects the level of confidence you have in your own ignorant statements. And while there is definitely degrees of bad, it is idiotic to continue to do something bad because it is less bad than if APA (who on multiple occasions said it was bad) did it.

The "Goldwater rule" as it is called in the US exists not only to protect public figures and the proffesion, but also to protect the genuinely mentally ill. And there are frankly NO reason why the vast majority of mental illness (or somatic illness) in itself should be a disqualifier. I mean, sure if we are talking schizophrenia or someone who experiences psychotic episodes, but outside of that? The issue here is ignorance about mental illness (which is why you shouldn't call people without mental illness mentally ill as it merely propagates said ignorance).

My interjection was an attempt at getting you to stop throwing rock whilst living in a glass house. Clearly it failed.

no, your interjection was simply dumb.
I never said mental illness should be a disqualifier necessarily. as such, much of your point is moot.
My statements are not at all ignorant, and that you claim so merely makes you ignorant of the topic, and unable to read the discussion chain. You'd have to actually substantiate what's ignorant about them.
I'm not living in a glass house, and am making entirely sound points, so I'm not throwing rocks either.
arguing things not at issue and claiming the other side did say that makes you a strawman poster, and hence a shitposter, stop it.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42297 Posts
July 02 2017 20:51 GMT
#159705
It's funny to see Trump shit all over the dignity of America and the office he was elected to, but only because I'm in no way emotionally attached to either of them. For any patriotic American it's just another day, another insult.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-02 20:54:22
July 02 2017 20:53 GMT
#159706
On July 03 2017 05:01 xDaunt wrote:
Like I've said before, I prefer Trump's active trolling of the media to W's constant pushover posture. Fuck CNN. They have thrown away their credibility to sink Trump, so Trump absolutely should rub their failure in their face.

Edit: And LOL at all of the people who think that Trump's tweet encourages violence.


One of the biggest italian newspaper has the tweet as the headline on their homepage saying that it promotes violence. When that woman published the photo of Trump's severed head, they put it in the 'general' section (something like 10 scrolls down), 2 lines long next to a dog jumping into a swimming pool and the recipe for a perfect type of pasta...
Dating thread on TL LUL
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9234 Posts
July 02 2017 20:54 GMT
#159707
On July 03 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2017 05:41 ChristianS wrote:
On July 03 2017 05:01 xDaunt wrote:
Like I've said before, I prefer Trump's active trolling of the media to W's constant pushover posture. Fuck CNN. They have thrown away their credibility to sink Trump, so Trump absolutely should rub their failure in their face.

Edit: And LOL at all of the people who think that Trump's tweet encourages violence.

This is a bit rich from the guy who tried to pin the Congressional shooting on Democrats' extreme rhetoric. How much more blatant can you get than a video of you literally beating up your political opposition?

There is a big, obvious difference between the quality of my argument and yours. Undermining the legitimacy of the president by arguing repeatedly that he is a Russian stooge and that we are about to undergo Watergate II (among other things) is a completely different animal than Trump using a fake wrestling video to humiliate CNN. Seriously, you should be embarrassed.

Where's the connection between ChristianS' post and your response?
passive quaranstream fan
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28609 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-02 21:00:11
July 02 2017 20:54 GMT
#159708
I don't think Trump plays 7d chess when he does something stupid that somehow works out for his advantage, and I don't think he's doing it now either. I agree that this is more evidence of why he is unfit to be president, because he's 8 years old, but I don't see it as him encouraging violence any more than it'd be if Obama posed for a picture together with floyd mayweather or whatever. Which technically would also be encouraging violence (be really good at punching people in the face and you get to meet the president), but it's not a big deal whatsoever. it's like the 400th most outrageous thing trump has said or tweeted or done in the past year, and imo, one of the funniest.
Moderator
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-02 20:58:13
July 02 2017 20:56 GMT
#159709
On July 03 2017 05:50 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2017 05:46 Ghostcom wrote:
On July 03 2017 05:13 zlefin wrote:
On July 03 2017 05:06 Ghostcom wrote:
On July 03 2017 04:49 zlefin wrote:
On July 03 2017 04:40 RealityIsKing wrote:
On July 03 2017 02:57 On_Slaught wrote:
I was certain Trump would push us towards either the Idiocracy timeline or the Mad Max one. Looks like the former has now become the dominant timeline probability.

But seriously, mental illness is no laughing matter!


Trump doesn't have mental illnesses.

What you get is a bunch of leftist getting upset that their leftist tactics didn't work on stopping Trump becoming president and their last ditch Russia shtick failed and now Trump is humiliating them.

there's no reason to give any credence to your ability to assess someone's mental health. especially given how bad your bias and blinders are.


There are also no one who has conducted a diagnostic interview with Trump and declaring him mentally ill without one such is not only in bad taste, it is unethical and downright moronic. However, you of all people of course already knew that since it has already been substantiated multiple times throughout this thread.

fortunately people only declare him probably mentally ill, not definitely (sometimes shorthanded ofc). also a big difference between a plausible suspicion, people talking on a forum, and a formal declaration which has actual weight.
and yes, I did already know that, so your interjection here seems unhelpful and pointless. It's not in bad taste to point out that the president likely has a mental illness and that some action taken on that would be appropriate. the problem lies with people hwo deny the possibility completely utterly ignoring the factual evidence. It'd be preferable of course if routine testing was always done on the president.


Stop trying to play the semantics game - it doesn't stop being moronic or unethical to declare him "probably mentally ill" rather than "definitely mentally ill". It merely reflects the level of confidence you have in your own ignorant statements. And while there is definitely degrees of bad, it is idiotic to continue to do something bad because it is less bad than if APA (who on multiple occasions said it was bad) did it.

The "Goldwater rule" as it is called in the US exists not only to protect public figures and the proffesion, but also to protect the genuinely mentally ill. And there are frankly NO reason why the vast majority of mental illness (or somatic illness) in itself should be a disqualifier. I mean, sure if we are talking schizophrenia or someone who experiences psychotic episodes, but outside of that? The issue here is ignorance about mental illness (which is why you shouldn't call people without mental illness mentally ill as it merely propagates said ignorance).

My interjection was an attempt at getting you to stop throwing rock whilst living in a glass house. Clearly it failed.

no, your interjection was simply dumb.
I never said mental illness should be a disqualifier necessarily. as such, much of your point is moot.
My statements are not at all ignorant, and that you claim so merely makes you ignorant of the topic, and unable to read the discussion chain. You'd have to actually substantiate what's ignorant about them.
I'm not living in a glass house, and am making entirely sound points, so I'm not throwing rocks either.
arguing things not at issue and claiming the other side did say that makes you a strawman poster, and hence a shitposter, stop it.

no, your response was simply dumb.
My statements are not at all ignorant, and that you claim so merely makes you ignorant of the topic, and unable to read the discussion chain. You'd have to actually substantiate what's ignorant about them.
I'm not living in a glass house, and am making entirely sound points, so I'm not throwing rocks either.
arguing things not at issue and claiming the other side did say that makes you a strawman poster, and hence a shitposter, stop it.

EDIT: Seriously dude. Thanks for the laugh. You are so completely and utterly blind when it comes to yourself. I'll bow out here to avoid derailing this thread.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 02 2017 20:58 GMT
#159710
On July 03 2017 05:54 Artisreal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:
On July 03 2017 05:41 ChristianS wrote:
On July 03 2017 05:01 xDaunt wrote:
Like I've said before, I prefer Trump's active trolling of the media to W's constant pushover posture. Fuck CNN. They have thrown away their credibility to sink Trump, so Trump absolutely should rub their failure in their face.

Edit: And LOL at all of the people who think that Trump's tweet encourages violence.

This is a bit rich from the guy who tried to pin the Congressional shooting on Democrats' extreme rhetoric. How much more blatant can you get than a video of you literally beating up your political opposition?

There is a big, obvious difference between the quality of my argument and yours. Undermining the legitimacy of the president by arguing repeatedly that he is a Russian stooge and that we are about to undergo Watergate II (among other things) is a completely different animal than Trump using a fake wrestling video to humiliate CNN. Seriously, you should be embarrassed.

Where's the connection between ChristianS' post and your response?

He was referring to a prior argument that I made when that Bernie fan shot at the GOP congressmen playing softball. I just better stated what my argument was.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-02 21:05:31
July 02 2017 21:04 GMT
#159711
On July 03 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2017 05:41 ChristianS wrote:
On July 03 2017 05:01 xDaunt wrote:
Like I've said before, I prefer Trump's active trolling of the media to W's constant pushover posture. Fuck CNN. They have thrown away their credibility to sink Trump, so Trump absolutely should rub their failure in their face.

Edit: And LOL at all of the people who think that Trump's tweet encourages violence.

This is a bit rich from the guy who tried to pin the Congressional shooting on Democrats' extreme rhetoric. How much more blatant can you get than a video of you literally beating up your political opposition?

There is a big, obvious difference between the quality of my argument and yours. Undermining the legitimacy of the president by arguing repeatedly that he is a Russian stooge and that we are about to undergo Watergate II (among other things) is a completely different animal than Trump using a fake wrestling video to humiliate CNN. Seriously, you should be embarrassed.


It is absolutely normal in a functional democracy for opposition and the press to criticize ruling politicians, especially when the attacked party is primarily responsible for the turmoil. What is not normal is that an elected president attacks the media with memes he has presumably dug up in some corner of the internet. He is effectively behaving like a child.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-02 21:17:26
July 02 2017 21:08 GMT
#159712
On July 03 2017 06:04 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:
On July 03 2017 05:41 ChristianS wrote:
On July 03 2017 05:01 xDaunt wrote:
Like I've said before, I prefer Trump's active trolling of the media to W's constant pushover posture. Fuck CNN. They have thrown away their credibility to sink Trump, so Trump absolutely should rub their failure in their face.

Edit: And LOL at all of the people who think that Trump's tweet encourages violence.

This is a bit rich from the guy who tried to pin the Congressional shooting on Democrats' extreme rhetoric. How much more blatant can you get than a video of you literally beating up your political opposition?

There is a big, obvious difference between the quality of my argument and yours. Undermining the legitimacy of the president by arguing repeatedly that he is a Russian stooge and that we are about to undergo Watergate II (among other things) is a completely different animal than Trump using a fake wrestling video to humiliate CNN. Seriously, you should be embarrassed.


It is absolutely normal in a functional democracy for opposition and the press to criticize ruling politicians, especially when the attacked party is primarily responsible for the turmoil. What is not normal is that an elected president attacks the media with memes he has presumably dug up in some corner of the internet

C'mon, man. I have never said that Trump shouldn't be criticized. I have been quite clear that there are many fertile grounds on which he can be criticized. However, what I have also made clear is that it is utterly irresponsible and contemptible for the media to attack Trump with nothing more than bullshit and innuendo --- particularly when the bullshit and innuendo is so inflammatory.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9234 Posts
July 02 2017 21:10 GMT
#159713
Ah, thanks for clarifying.
passive quaranstream fan
RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
July 02 2017 21:12 GMT
#159714
On July 03 2017 04:49 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2017 04:40 RealityIsKing wrote:
On July 03 2017 02:57 On_Slaught wrote:
I was certain Trump would push us towards either the Idiocracy timeline or the Mad Max one. Looks like the former has now become the dominant timeline probability.

But seriously, mental illness is no laughing matter!


Trump doesn't have mental illnesses.

What you get is a bunch of leftist getting upset that their leftist tactics didn't work on stopping Trump becoming president and their last ditch Russia shtick failed and now Trump is humiliating them.

there's no reason to give any credence to your ability to assess someone's mental health. especially given how bad your bias and blinders are.


The only biases I have is toward the truth.

In the election, you liberals keep saying how Trump is sexist when he clearly said that women let him and say that he is racist when he wants to keep track of illegal immigrants, which would even make the good ones to have better wages.

But no, keep spraying bullshit about how bad Trump is when he only wants what is best for this country, traitors.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
July 02 2017 21:15 GMT
#159715
On July 03 2017 06:04 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:
On July 03 2017 05:41 ChristianS wrote:
On July 03 2017 05:01 xDaunt wrote:
Like I've said before, I prefer Trump's active trolling of the media to W's constant pushover posture. Fuck CNN. They have thrown away their credibility to sink Trump, so Trump absolutely should rub their failure in their face.

Edit: And LOL at all of the people who think that Trump's tweet encourages violence.

This is a bit rich from the guy who tried to pin the Congressional shooting on Democrats' extreme rhetoric. How much more blatant can you get than a video of you literally beating up your political opposition?

There is a big, obvious difference between the quality of my argument and yours. Undermining the legitimacy of the president by arguing repeatedly that he is a Russian stooge and that we are about to undergo Watergate II (among other things) is a completely different animal than Trump using a fake wrestling video to humiliate CNN. Seriously, you should be embarrassed.


It is absolutely normal in a functional democracy for opposition and the press to criticize ruling politicians, especially when the attacked party is primarily responsible for the turmoil. What is not normal is that an elected president attacks the media with memes he has presumably dug up in some corner of the internet. He is effectively behaving like a child.


Your pseudo intellectual high horse is pathetic. You are just another letist triggered by the President's hilarous meme.

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ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3187 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-02 21:21:15
July 02 2017 21:18 GMT
#159716
On July 03 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2017 05:41 ChristianS wrote:
On July 03 2017 05:01 xDaunt wrote:
Like I've said before, I prefer Trump's active trolling of the media to W's constant pushover posture. Fuck CNN. They have thrown away their credibility to sink Trump, so Trump absolutely should rub their failure in their face.

Edit: And LOL at all of the people who think that Trump's tweet encourages violence.

This is a bit rich from the guy who tried to pin the Congressional shooting on Democrats' extreme rhetoric. How much more blatant can you get than a video of you literally beating up your political opposition?

There is a big, obvious difference between the quality of my argument and yours. Undermining the legitimacy of the president by arguing repeatedly that he is a Russian stooge and that we are about to undergo Watergate II (among other things) is a completely different animal than Trump using a fake wrestling video to humiliate CNN. Seriously, you should be embarrassed.

They're different in a lot of ways. The obvious one for these purposes is that one directly involves using violence against opponents and one does not.

Trump's post involves literal violence against CNN, and depends on the viewer to understand he doesn't mean it literally. Considering we've had physical violence against reporters in the recent past it doesn't seem far-fetched that some idiot might see the example and not pick up that it's a joke, which is why people normally think politicians shouldn't say stuff that might spur others to violence if misinterpreted.

Now one could imagine you making the argument that politicians shouldn't be responsible for the actions of idiot followers. If some Trump supporter sees that video and takes it as instruction, not a joke, you might argue that's the supporter's fault, not Trump's. but you're already on record criticizing the left for spurring their supporters to violence, despite the fact that the left didn't advocate violence against opponents even in jest (edit: I mean, I'm sure some on the left did but not the ones xDaunt was trying to blame for it).

Your post about the left peddling conspiracies that promote violence was already embarrassingly blatant partisanship, considering I never saw a similar criticism of Trump's birtherism from you, but now that you've apparently got no problem with politicians directly suggesting violence against opposition as long as its in jest it's even sillier.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23010 Posts
July 02 2017 21:18 GMT
#159717
On July 03 2017 06:08 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2017 06:04 Nyxisto wrote:
On July 03 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:
On July 03 2017 05:41 ChristianS wrote:
On July 03 2017 05:01 xDaunt wrote:
Like I've said before, I prefer Trump's active trolling of the media to W's constant pushover posture. Fuck CNN. They have thrown away their credibility to sink Trump, so Trump absolutely should rub their failure in their face.

Edit: And LOL at all of the people who think that Trump's tweet encourages violence.

This is a bit rich from the guy who tried to pin the Congressional shooting on Democrats' extreme rhetoric. How much more blatant can you get than a video of you literally beating up your political opposition?

There is a big, obvious difference between the quality of my argument and yours. Undermining the legitimacy of the president by arguing repeatedly that he is a Russian stooge and that we are about to undergo Watergate II (among other things) is a completely different animal than Trump using a fake wrestling video to humiliate CNN. Seriously, you should be embarrassed.


It is absolutely normal in a functional democracy for opposition and the press to criticize ruling politicians, especially when the attacked party is primarily responsible for the turmoil. What is not normal is that an elected president attacks the media with memes he has presumably dug up in some corner of the internet

C'mon, man. I have never said that Trump shouldn't criticized. I have been quite clear that there are many fertile grounds on which he can be criticized. However, what I have also made clear is that it is utterly irresponsible and contemptible for the media to attack Trump with nothing more than bullshit and innuendo --- particularly when the bullshit and innuendo is so inflammatory.


I mean I mostly agree with you on this but it's not all bullshit and innuendo, there's just so much of it, that the legitimate stuff easily gets lost.

Seems pretty clear after this tweet Democrats have absolutely no idea how to beat Trump, and are on the way to losing in 18 and again in 2020. Hard to decide who to be more ashamed of sometimes.

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-02 21:21:39
July 02 2017 21:19 GMT
#159718
On July 03 2017 06:12 RealityIsKing wrote:
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On July 03 2017 04:49 zlefin wrote:
On July 03 2017 04:40 RealityIsKing wrote:
On July 03 2017 02:57 On_Slaught wrote:
I was certain Trump would push us towards either the Idiocracy timeline or the Mad Max one. Looks like the former has now become the dominant timeline probability.

But seriously, mental illness is no laughing matter!


Trump doesn't have mental illnesses.

What you get is a bunch of leftist getting upset that their leftist tactics didn't work on stopping Trump becoming president and their last ditch Russia shtick failed and now Trump is humiliating them.

there's no reason to give any credence to your ability to assess someone's mental health. especially given how bad your bias and blinders are.


The only biases I have is toward the truth.

In the election, you liberals keep saying how Trump is sexist when he clearly said that women let him and say that he is racist when he wants to keep track of illegal immigrants, which would even make the good ones to have better wages.

But no, keep spraying bullshit about how bad Trump is when he only wants what is best for this country, traitors.

calling me a traitor. hehe. you obviously don't support the constitution, or you'd heed the clear definition of treason. dunning-kruger at its finest.
You think your bias is toward the truth, and like many people, you're unable to see that it isn't. we need a better educational system to prevent people like this. more teaching wisdom in school.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
July 02 2017 21:20 GMT
#159719
On July 03 2017 06:15 GoTuNk! wrote:
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On July 03 2017 06:04 Nyxisto wrote:
On July 03 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:
On July 03 2017 05:41 ChristianS wrote:
On July 03 2017 05:01 xDaunt wrote:
Like I've said before, I prefer Trump's active trolling of the media to W's constant pushover posture. Fuck CNN. They have thrown away their credibility to sink Trump, so Trump absolutely should rub their failure in their face.

Edit: And LOL at all of the people who think that Trump's tweet encourages violence.

This is a bit rich from the guy who tried to pin the Congressional shooting on Democrats' extreme rhetoric. How much more blatant can you get than a video of you literally beating up your political opposition?

There is a big, obvious difference between the quality of my argument and yours. Undermining the legitimacy of the president by arguing repeatedly that he is a Russian stooge and that we are about to undergo Watergate II (among other things) is a completely different animal than Trump using a fake wrestling video to humiliate CNN. Seriously, you should be embarrassed.


It is absolutely normal in a functional democracy for opposition and the press to criticize ruling politicians, especially when the attacked party is primarily responsible for the turmoil. What is not normal is that an elected president attacks the media with memes he has presumably dug up in some corner of the internet. He is effectively behaving like a child.


Your pseudo intellectual high horse is pathetic. You are just another letist triggered by the President's hilarous meme.


1. I'm not a leftist.

2. The last problem with this whole situation is my reaction it
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
July 02 2017 21:22 GMT
#159720
On July 03 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2017 05:41 ChristianS wrote:
On July 03 2017 05:01 xDaunt wrote:
Like I've said before, I prefer Trump's active trolling of the media to W's constant pushover posture. Fuck CNN. They have thrown away their credibility to sink Trump, so Trump absolutely should rub their failure in their face.

Edit: And LOL at all of the people who think that Trump's tweet encourages violence.

This is a bit rich from the guy who tried to pin the Congressional shooting on Democrats' extreme rhetoric. How much more blatant can you get than a video of you literally beating up your political opposition?

There is a big, obvious difference between the quality of my argument and yours. Undermining the legitimacy of the president by arguing repeatedly that he is a Russian stooge and that we are about to undergo Watergate II (among other things) is a completely different animal than Trump using a fake wrestling video to humiliate CNN. Seriously, you should be embarrassed.


You should be embarrassed by your own slavish devotion to Trump. Just because people you don't like condemn Trump's actions, doesn't make them good. But you always manage to find a way to contort your opponents' condemnations as some kind of justification for your Trump-licking.

Also, no one outside of the Trump cult thinks his retweet humiliated CNN. Everyone that hasn't swallowed the orange cool-aid thinks he diminished the Office of the Presidency by dragging it down to the level 4chan/Redditor memes.

Yes, it was a racist redditor who made the meme.
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6ku6mp/wow_i_never_expected_my_meme_to_be_retweeted_by/
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