EPTSCOTUS case: Fisher v. Texas (Affirmative Action) - Page 11
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[UoN]Sentinel
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Romantic
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On November 05 2012 11:42 farvacola wrote: Take that bake sale to an inner city street and I think you'd see a vastly different result. What is your point? | ||
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oneofthem
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Demonhunter04
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On November 05 2012 11:35 oneofthem wrote: it's actually because of the drug trade in ghettos. 30% of blacks are not violent criminals. but 100% blacks in ghettos have to deal with violent crime as a ever present danger in their lives. Well, everything is interrelated. Violence creates violence, low IQ is associated with poorer impulse control, and low impulse control is associated with substance addiction, among many, many other things (part of why so many African-American children are raised by single mothers). Being raised by a single mother makes a person six times more likely to go to prison, typically because of the lack of resources and parental presence - the mother often works multiple jobs and has little time for her children. Substance abuse causes some to act more impulsively (and more likely to be violent), and being on either end of a drug trade carries its own risks. | ||
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Romantic
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On November 05 2012 11:50 oneofthem wrote: that it would no longer be funny. I don't understand what people are trying to communicate when they point out black people are much more violent on average... or they perceive them to be (not important which) by telling someone who is simply speaking to go do it in a black neighborhood. Implication being those black people will hurt or kill you for saying something that offends them or something. This is puzzling because it tends to come from people who are staunchly anti-racist. | ||
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oneofthem
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oneofthem
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On November 05 2012 11:56 Romantic wrote: I don't understand what people are trying to communicate when they point out black people are much more violent on average... or they perceive them to be (not important which) by telling someone who is simply speaking to go do it in a black neighborhood. Implication being those black people will hurt or kill you for saying something that offends them or something. This is puzzling because it tends to come from people who are staunchly anti-racist. it's like that zen master that tells you to smack yourself after you said something silly. smack some sense into you so you realize how silly you are. | ||
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farvacola
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On November 05 2012 11:56 Romantic wrote: I don't understand what people are trying to communicate when they point out black people are much more violent on average... or they perceive them to be (not important which) by telling someone who is simply speaking to go do it in a black neighborhood. Implication being those black people will hurt or kill you for saying something that offends them or something. This is puzzling because it tends to come from people who are staunchly anti-racist. That was not my intended implication; I meant more to suggest that your campus Republicans waste their time making stupid jokes to other college kids, while the rest of the world actually moves about. | ||
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Demonhunter04
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On November 05 2012 11:57 oneofthem wrote: many low iq people do not have drug infested neighborhoods. why would you draw this singular connection in spite of everything that goes wrong with black history is beyond me. I'm curious, do you have data I can check out showing incidence of illegal drug use between races after being normed for wealth and IQ? | ||
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oneofthem
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crack_epidemic#Crime | ||
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Demonhunter04
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On November 05 2012 12:16 oneofthem wrote: blaming it on blacks being dumb is not the best way to understand the history of crack cocaine. at least without the help of you know, history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crack_epidemic#Crime I read that link, and it says that distribution of the drug occurred mainly in low-income inner city neighborhoods, where they (blacks) already were disproportionately represented beforehand. Drug traders took advantage of the poor, and that's why drug abuse is such a big issue in these areas. Without a supply of drugs, drug abuse obviously would never be an issue in the first place. You reduced my statements to blaming drug abuse on "blacks being dumb", when I wasn't really saying that. I didn't bring up non-biological influences first because it seems like everyone already knows about them. Having lived in a poor inner city neighborhood before, I have firsthand experience and took it for granted that others would know about the environmental side to the issue and that it wouldn't be part of the debate. | ||
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oneofthem
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yandere991
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On November 03 2012 09:56 oneofthem wrote: getting into good schools seems like a religion with asian kids so they prob care a lot about this issue for very narrow, selfish reasons. most of the time it's a difference between getting into a top 10 school and getting into a top 25 school. it's not that big of a deal. there is a high premium for the very top top places, but eh, cry me a river for not getting into harvard with a 3.9 gpa (or 95 in the case of stuy lol) The difference between these schools are massive depending on what you want to get into. Good luck getting into MBB from a top 25 school that does not have on campus recruitment as you would have to network like crazy. There is a reason why people work their asses off to get into these Unis, the fact that they have on campus recruitment from elite firms means a lot. On topic: Get rid of this retarded system already, it favours no one but only breeds contempt in the work place. It becomes nature to think that the Aboriginal in our firm got in through AA rather than merit. Same with my friends in engineering firms and their attitude towards their female colleagues. | ||
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oneofthem
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more seriously, seems like aa's impact of sowing dissension amongst the privileged groups is a side effect underestimated. although in this case the problem may not be on aa. any equalizing measure will seemingly have the same effect if you have a reactionary populace | ||
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yandere991
Australia394 Posts
On November 05 2012 20:33 oneofthem wrote: yes, more productive bankers. just what we need more seriously, seems like aa's impact of sowing dissension amongst the privileged groups is a side effect underestimated. although in this case the problem may not be on aa. any equalizing measure will seemingly have the same effect if you have a reactionary populace Yup those management consultants whip out their pitchbooks and lbos during the night when their growth matrices and bubble charts are done. | ||
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oneofthem
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"It becomes nature to think that the Aboriginal in our firm got in through AA rather than merit." "Same with my friends in engineering firms and their attitude towards their female colleagues." | ||
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yandere991
Australia394 Posts
On November 05 2012 20:54 oneofthem wrote: it's what you said buddy, not me. "It becomes nature to think that the Aboriginal in our firm got in through AA rather than merit." "Same with my friends in engineering firms and their attitude towards their female colleagues." I agree with that, I stand by what I said. Just nfi where you pulled bankers from. | ||
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yandere991
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To me having a different work ethic does not mean I am privileged considering a lot of the Asians actually came to this country with less material goods than some of these non privileged people. | ||
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