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Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-03-15 05:21:30
March 15 2006 04:27 GMT
#1
Saw this article (http://www.darkvisitor.com/), but I haven't even taken any astronomy so I leave it to wiser opinions to comment (I hope). I believe the author is the retired after 30 years at John Hopkins applied Physics Lab. He makes interesting posts at another forum I go to [EDIT: I should point out his English isn't great and don't be distracted by his pet peeve of declining western science at the beginning.] The short, short version: Black holes are undetectable, but there is evidence of some being responsible for changes in Neptune's orbit in the 1920's when a large black hole was a very far way from the sun. Apparently when these black holes were formed, they formed in pairs. The author thinks the smaller of the pair (at a size of 2.2 solar masses, I'm guessing that's big ) will pass by in 2007-2008 and alter Earth's orbit. "In less than 100 years, Europe and all of the USA, with the possible exception of the southern tip of Florida, will be in the grip of a new ice age." I think I see why he moved to Brazil. :o


The following article appeared on page 18 of The Triangle, Drexel University�s Newspaper 27 February 2004. (It also is an effort to interest students in physics and astronomy.) If you have access to bulletin boards that high school students view, please print and post it. Thanks.

No escape: a black hole is coming for you



You are doomed by the laws of physics and ancient history.

Your fate was sealed when the universe was young � back when stars first began to form, long before our sun was born. The universe was much smaller and denser then. For many stellar generations, the typical star was much bigger than the sun. These large stars run through their life cycles much more rapidly than the sun. They first convert hydrogen to helium, then helium to carbon using unstable beryllium as an intermediary. Finally, at the end of their exothermic nuclear fusion cycles, they produce iron cores that implode. - The outer layers of a massive star�s iron core weigh so much that the iron below them can not support their weight. The core begins to collapse. When it is half its initial size, these outer layers weigh four times more. Thus the collapse accelerates as it progress. In the final stages of the collapse, the outer layers are falling inward to a single point at essentially the speed of light. In less than a minute, a mass greater than the sun collapses into a space much smaller than the period that ends this sentence. That is, a "black hole" is formed.

All of the mass in a black hole is concentrated in zero volume, but a roughly spherical space around this mass is so distorted that nothing, not even light, can escape. Because of this fact, an approaching black hole would not reflect sunlight nor be visible in telescopes. The first indication that a black hole was approaching our solar system would be slight perturbation in the orbits of Oort Cloud objects (small "planetesimals" more distant than Pluto) These objects and Pluto are frequently perturbed because they are small and weakly bound to the sun. Recent perturbations of Pluto can be interpreted as the approach of a still very distant black hole. Read Dark Visitor, for one such interpretation. It predicts that the second member of a pair of black holes will pass through the solar system in late 2007 and tip the earth back into an ice age, even though the approaching black hole is small (2.2 solar masses) and passes by the sun more distant than Saturn�s orbit. Is there any reason to think that this could be true? Unfortunately there is, as the next paragraph demonstrates.

First note that in the early universe many generations of typical stars formed black holes and that stars usually form in pairs. Thus there are currently more pairs of small stellar-core black holes than all the current stars. One probably passed by our solar system in the late 1920s. Neptune�s orbit was disturbed then. Pluto was discovered in 1930 after a yearlong search for the origin of this perturbation, but it is now known that Pluto was not the cause. (Pluto is smaller than the moon and Neptune is 17.2 times greater than the earth.) Any knowledgeable astronomer will confirm this fact. Although other explanations are possible, it seems probable that: (1) a stellar-core black hole was the cause and if this is true, then (2) the authors of Dark Visitor may be correct and we are doomed.
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omgbnetsux
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States3749 Posts
March 15 2006 04:30 GMT
#2
Wouldn't that be fun!
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
March 15 2006 04:34 GMT
#3
His e-book looks very interesting, I'm going to read it next week when I have a little more free time...

ntroduction - Author Billy T tells why he was privileged to write Dark Visitor and explains his relationship to the astronomer forecasting the approaching black hole.

Chapter 1- George and his Father: Background about the Goldwaters. How and why George's father induced him to become a climatologist. The family agribusiness and why George did not join it.

Chapter 2- Karen and her Mother: How ancestors started the family fortune. Brief mention of the climate change to come and how the syndicate will profit from them. Why Karen's mother danced at Boston's Old Howard burlesque theater.

Chapter 3- Jack and his Studies: How Jack (and Billy T) met the Goldwaters. His astronomy program at Harvard. Why he quit and build an observatory. How this led to the discovery of the approaching dark visitor.


Very interesting stuff for young people making career choices, as said elsewhere in the site.
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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7286 Posts
March 15 2006 04:50 GMT
#4
stupid doomsday bullshit again
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Paragon
Profile Joined February 2006
United States295 Posts
March 15 2006 04:52 GMT
#5
If it happens I'd prefer it to be in the next twenty years so I can live through it.
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Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
March 15 2006 04:53 GMT
#6
That was informative.
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sdpgposd
Profile Joined October 2005
United Kingdom1464 Posts
March 15 2006 05:00 GMT
#7
we're fucked anyway, might as well be in the next 2 years
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7286 Posts
March 15 2006 05:01 GMT
#8
Since when the fuck do black holes pass by shit anyway? if anything black holes make stuff pass by them, as fara s i know , Black holes dont move, they are stationary and just have feeding/non feeding cycles. Typical Internet Hoax shit
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
March 15 2006 05:18 GMT
#9
I don't even know why you bothered to post. They move... :/
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Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
March 15 2006 05:19 GMT
#10
Also...we move, and you said stuff passes them by. What difference does your point of reference make even if you were right? (which you aren't)
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funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
March 15 2006 05:42 GMT
#11
ah Dammit..

We are fucked ayways. Also I'm reading the book :D
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TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
March 15 2006 05:51 GMT
#12
My gas bills are big enough dammit! Interesting stuff, thanks for posting.
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LetMeBeWithYou
Profile Joined August 2004
Canada4254 Posts
March 15 2006 05:52 GMT
#13
"darkvisitor.com"

Enough said
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OverTheUnder
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2929 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-03-15 05:54:44
March 15 2006 05:53 GMT
#14
On March 15 2006 14:01 Sadist wrote:
Since when the fuck do black holes pass by shit anyway? if anything black holes make stuff pass by them, as fara s i know , Black holes dont move, they are stationary and just have feeding/non feeding cycles. Typical Internet Hoax shit

............

Everything is moving outwards at the moment. Even black holes move;(


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Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-03-15 05:54:51
March 15 2006 05:54 GMT
#15
"In less than 100 years, Europe and all of the USA, with the possible exception of the southern tip of Florida, will be in the grip of a new ice age."
Thats great. Cross country skiing for my grandchildren is going to be sweet. Just gotta build a bunch of nuclear powerplants to keep us warm. And improve agriculture in countries that wont be frozen.
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MindCrusher
Profile Joined September 2005
Romania236 Posts
March 15 2006 06:47 GMT
#16
what;s the conection betwenn the thread name and the content of the first post?
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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7286 Posts
March 15 2006 06:47 GMT
#17
what i meant was they dont orbit, of course everything is moving.


If it passed us 90 years ago and it DOESNT ORBIT, how is it going to pass us again? makes absolutely no sense at all if everything is going outwards away from the perceived center of the universe
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
MindCrusher
Profile Joined September 2005
Romania236 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-03-15 07:08:02
March 15 2006 07:00 GMT
#18
On March 15 2006 15:47 Sadist wrote:
what i meant was they dont orbit, of course everything is moving.


If it passed us 90 years ago and it DOESNT ORBIT, how is it going to pass us again? makes absolutely no sense at all if everything is going outwards away from the perceived center of the universe


It reached the end of the universe and decided to come visit us again and see what have we done.
Actually there is a secret alien race floating in their space ship wich is disguised as a black hole. Their are trying to see if and how we evolved.
But seeing the decay in the western civilisation they will realize we will never be able to make them cheap spare parts for their spaceship/ black-hole. So as a punishment they will leave us in a cold winter to make us focus on creating such a black hole to put back Earth on the correct orbit.
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Eniram
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Sudan3166 Posts
March 15 2006 07:10 GMT
#19
On March 15 2006 13:27 Servolisk wrote:
"In less than 100 years, Europe and all of the USA, with the possible exception of the southern tip of Florida, will be in the grip of a new ice age."

Hahaha, thats just we're I'm at.
You can like take a newb to like water, but you cant like make a newb drink. Ya know? - Jeremy
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
March 15 2006 07:17 GMT
#20
On March 15 2006 14:01 Sadist wrote:
Since when the fuck do black holes pass by shit anyway? if anything black holes make stuff pass by them, as fara s i know , Black holes dont move, they are stationary and just have feeding/non feeding cycles. Typical Internet Hoax shit

try reading the article before you comment on it... it said that these usually form in pairs and the second member of the pair may be coming, with the first being the one that passed in the 20's.
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