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On October 13 2012 06:32 Akamu wrote:
This is a sad story and i feel bad family of the girl but after watching that video (which felt like a big cry for attention, had she not learned her lesson about the internet yet?) i don't feel any remorse over this. I know as a human being i should and maybe i'm just a dick but this is ridiculous. There are things she could have done. She what? changed schools 4-5 times? But they were never able to find the guy that posted the pictures online? C'mon. Hire a fucking investigator to track that douche down.
Her parents could have done, well anything. By the looks of it they were half retarded or never there. Maybe both.
At one point she said her parents wanted to press charges, but that SHE didn't want to so it never happened. This is where I feel the parents screwed up big time. They needed to take the reigns and press charges on their own, this was way beyond her.
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I can't believe people are blaming the victim... Well I guess I can because it happens all the time in our society, but I'm still disgusted.
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On October 13 2012 05:30 Bobgrimly wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 05:24 FabledIntegral wrote:
What a fucking joke. Don't be a whore? Excuse me, she wasn't in a relationship. The guy was. She owed nothing to the other side. If I'm hitting on a girl with a boyfriend and she sleeps with me - who's done worse? Me, the person who has cheated on no one, or the girl, who has also done the equal act of sleeping with someone but is committed not to do so.
Ridiculous. Insinuating that flashing online somehow means it's thus available for everyone to see (which yes, it is, and that's a consequence) is deserved is ridiculous. Especially, because you know, it was illegal for him to do so. You did worse knowingly convincing her to sleep with you. You are a horrible person. If you know she has a boyfriend you should tell her how you feel then let her choose but not be a fucking dick and try and convince her to cheat. Its people (whores) like yourself that make this world a worse place. Stop it. Just stop. Be straight up and honest if you like someone and let them choose. Then if they leave the person they are with you have every moral ground to stand on. But if you are just after a quick fuck and want to ruin relationships then FUCK YOU. People like you are the problem thinking you are innocent when you are causing horrible problems. Starts with relationships and then as you age you start ruining marriages that might have kids. Congratulations on justifying your actions because you weren't the one married so their fucked up kids because of the situation you create aren't your problem. JUST STOP BEING WHORES PLEASE! Grow up and grow some respect for relationships. It will make everything healthier and happier.
Convincing? Who said it was convincing. How you can possibly say that the person in the relationship doesn't have more responsibility to not sleep around than the person not in a relationship is point blank fucking stupid. I have no commitment to anyone nor any covenant to uphold. Of course, point the finger at someone else, hilarious.
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On October 13 2012 06:35 rhs408 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 06:26 ownyah wrote:On October 13 2012 06:25 rhs408 wrote:On October 13 2012 06:14 RogerX wrote:
what i'm incredibly shocked and disappointed is that people just watched her getting bullied... This isn't the bystander effect is it?
Nobody helped her and some even encouraged her and watched her getting beaten up, thats disgusting... Exactly. Absolute fucking cowards. Every one of them. Well hate to break the news for you but chances are you, yourself would also have been an observer who wouldn't do jackshit. That is why it still occurs. Speak for yourself bro, I think I and a lot of other people would have helped if the same situation presented itself - everyone in high school isn't as big a coward as you maybe were? It might still occur in some places, but certainly not everywhere. Not every kid is raised to be a giant piece of shit.
This. In my high school we had a few kids who would eat a lone and didn't have many friends. Naturally they were subjected to some ridicule but never harassment to the point where they'd want to commit suicide. Some of it was even "nice bullying" if that can even be a thing. One of the kids was voted homecoming king, obviously as a joke but no one ridiculed him, and he actually seemed to enjoy the positive attention. Bullying would go down but a lot of the "cool kids" were good enough people to stop their friends or refuse to take part is that crap. My friends and I were huge bullies in middle school, there was a girl we'd call "monkey" because she had hair on her arms. The girl actually went on to get hair removal because of us. She actually grew up to be intensely beautiful and thankfully never held a grudge for what we did. I still feel like shit sometimes knowing how I acted and I feel ashamed over 10 years later. I don't understand how a community can be so cruel that her only option would be to kill herself..
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Mental illness claims another victim. Certainly a shame.
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I obviously felt really bad watching the video, it's hard to comprehend how cruel people of that age can be to each other. My sadness quickly turned to disgust after getting on TL and reading the comments here. I thought this was a safe haven on the internet, being hardly moderated and all, but oh how wrong I was.
I mean, sure she made mistakes, flashing yourself in a webcam is nothing anybody would recommend, but does that justify her death even a slightest bit? Of course it doesn't. I can't understand why people bring it up, no matter how hard I try. How can her own stupidity justify what she had to go through? One mistake and your life is screwed to the point you're willing to drink bleach in order to end it. Doing dumb things is most of the time not illegal, this surely wasn't, but yet she "had it coming". Where are your sense of proportions? You know the concept of proportionality?
Furthermore, she's a kid! She would be 15 this day if she was still alive. How old was she then when she flashed herself? She was a lonely girl in her puberty, seeking the approval of anyone beside her parents, just like literally everyone does, and some douche manipulates her, when she's at most emotionally vulnerable stage of her entire life, into committing the simple act of lifting her shirt in front of a lifeless camera. Additionally people that age doesn't have a fully developed brain and can't grasp the consequences of their actions, the bullies themselves are proof of this.
Also, calling her a slut? For being picked up by and older guy with a girlfriend? Isn't he primarily the one that have committed the immoral act? Ever wondered why the words 'slut' and 'whore' are feminine, words with no real male counter part? The closest would be 'player' or 'pimp' I guess, but that's words with a positive connotation. Even if she was the one taking the initiative with this guy, which seems unlikely considering the apparent confidence level she was at, she did it in order to find a friend. You think anyone is horny enough to go out looking for someone to screw if you don't even have a single friend beside your parents? It's like suggesting a person who's on the verge of starving to death would contemplate on wether buying an iPhone 4 or waiting for number 5.
All in all, this shows the humanity's illusion of being civilized is just that, an illusion. Stuff like this helps me understand how the events in Germany during the 30's and 40's could happen. I'll pray that this story is just simply to ugly for some people to process, and that's why you put some of the blame on her, it's a defense mechanism, just as trolling sometime is, and I don't blame you. Reading the excuses just disgusts me, that's all.
Well met, inb4 tl;dr
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i wish i could find that son of a bitch that blackmailed her
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On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote:
She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
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You don't have any perspective at this age. You're a disgusting person seriously.
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Wow, some people in this thread really need to get off their high horse and learn about depression and suicide. I really can't believe some people's hatred for the victim.
Bullying and the defense of it is never okay and just promotes one's unintelligence.
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On October 13 2012 06:13 NoobSkills wrote:
I don't see how a parent lets all this happen. The kids are assholes sure. The pervert is an asshole sure. But, how are the parents so far behind, on her computer usage, drugs, alcohol, bullying, hooking up, and probably weren't paying attention on whether or not she was taking her meds regularly. Meanwhile she does have nice cloths, a computer, her hair and nails look taken care of off that screen preview for the youtube video. There is a piece missing here with the parents despite the two groups of assholes mentioned above. Very sad story.
Yep the principal problem is the parents. Whenever i mocked someone (for real not for a joke/harrasing someone) be it family members or anyone inside school or outside i would get hit. When i pushed someone, i had to say sorry or i would get hit. Its just a matter of respect regardless of who is in front of you and a not very developped mentally teen (like an american living in his bubble) cannot have such respect. Nowadays, everyone think u shouldnt hit ur children but its the safest way to prevent things like this. Kids have no respect, they dont fear the punishment because they never got punished, they just do what they want without caring for anyone just wanting to be the collest in a social group.
This girl made stupid choices, greedy, not happy enough that the bullying calmed down she tried love and slept with someone when she knows he has a girlfriend... Being good-looking rly helps out to socialize but sometimes it can back-fire because it doesnt help you to make the right choices. The guy who posted it on facebook should just go to prison and perhaps he will understand what's being bullied and feeling fear all day long. I suppose his parents never scolled him/gave him a little sense of anything social or are dead because its hard to believe someone can act like this.
When she was in this state she needed someone to help because she was so ashamed of herself that she couldnt even turn to her parents or teachers. I read somewhere that "friends" of her were also very sad, i wonder if they got friendly with her after she died because it seems none of them called her or anything or perhaps they were also afraid to be bullied too but it doesnt explain why none talked to the teachers, friendship is a mystery it seems. Her parents should be ashamed too, not being able to tell if their daugter isnt well and not telling her not to post this kind of photos. Aside from that, there are always debate about gay-marriage and all but im sure the child of a couple like that will always be more tolerant than some spoiled brats.
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Some people have a lot to mature before they can comprehend what actually happened with her and how big of a deal it is compared to anything she has done.
Sorry to the folks who think she deserved it, but you guys should really go back and really think about it before you make comments like that to people who actually understand the value of life.
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On October 13 2012 06:32 Akamu wrote:
This is a sad story and i feel bad family of the girl but after watching that video (which felt like a big cry for attention, had she not learned her lesson about the internet yet?) i don't feel any remorse over this. I know as a human being i should and maybe i'm just a dick but this is ridiculous. There are things she could have done. She what? changed schools 4-5 times? But they were never able to find the guy that posted the pictures online? C'mon. Hire a fucking investigator to track that douche down.
Her parents could have done, well anything. By the looks of it they were half retarded or never there. Maybe both.
But mostly this girl fucked up. I get that in high school you don't really think about anything but yourself or how the world sees you but come the fuck on. You can't be so thick as to take your own life. That's childish. If she had such a problem with school, why not home school? Hell, why not drop out, work for a little bit and they come back and get the certificate? It seems to me like if she had such a huge problem with people seeing her boobs and making fun of stuff she did on the internet or at school then fucking remove those things. Why did no one suggest this? Parents? Family? maybe some form of friend?
Maybe i'm just an asshole this just screams new age survival of the fittest to me. I see too many things that could have been done for this girl, by her or someone close to her to fix her problems. Or at least make them better.
Remove stuff from the internet? I guess you're new here, welcome!
In case you missed it, she would be 15 today, meaning she was even younger during most of the bullying. Don't expect her, an emotionally wrecked kid, to make wise decisions like you can do, sitting in your comfy chair thinking about how to act in a hypothetical scenario.
If anything, her parents maybe could have made smarter choices, but we don't even know how much they knew about the bullying. Maybe she didn't even tell them about having flashed herself. Obviously they tried to move several time, a drastic action, but that didn't help.
Nevertheless, even if her parents were dumb asses, does that really makes you unable the feel sympathy for her? If a psychopathic father kills his children, it's not a big deal because "the parent(s) were half retarded". Didn't quite understand that part, dumb parents partially justifying the death of a kid.
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On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote:
She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
You should know that she lives in US, most of US people have no clue about the outside world (they dont know they live in the richest country, have huge salaries for the work done etc...) and if they do they just dont give a shit about it and live their life without caring. This is especially true if they are young like she was and her bullies were.
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You should know that she lives in US
Uhm... Vancouver is part of Canada.
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Just had a 13 year old female in my hometown commit suicide due to "bullying" Just a shame.
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On October 13 2012 07:15 PedroBlanco wrote:Uhm... Vancouver is part of Canada.
As I said before:
On October 13 2012 07:01 NexRex wrote: Bullying and the defense of it is never okay and just promotes one's unintelligence.
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Its a sad story. I feel bad for anyone who feels they have no choices left, but especially a kid.
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On October 13 2012 07:11 Acertos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote:
She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved. You should know that she lives in US, most of US people have no clue about the outside world (they dont know they live in the richest country, have huge salaries for the work done etc...) and if they do they just dont give a shit about it and live their life without caring. This is especially true if they are young like she was and her bullies were.
did you even read the article at all?
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On October 13 2012 07:20 Shelke14 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 07:11 Acertos wrote:On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote:
She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved. You should know that she lives in US, most of US people have no clue about the outside world (they dont know they live in the richest country, have huge salaries for the work done etc...) and if they do they just dont give a shit about it and live their life without caring. This is especially true if they are young like she was and her bullies were. did you even read the article at all?
Why read the article when you can spout off retarded comments about America? It would probably fit in 80% of the threads in General; it just so happened that unluckily, this one's from Canada.
Better luck next time!
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On October 13 2012 07:18 NexRex wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 07:15 PedroBlanco wrote:You should know that she lives in US Uhm... Vancouver is part of Canada. As I said before: Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 07:01 NexRex wrote: Bullying and the defense of it is never okay and just promotes one's unintelligence.
not to change the topic here, but "unintelligence" is not a word...
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