On October 13 2012 05:58 Nevermind86 wrote: She was young, beatiful probably, living in a nice country with probably a nice family and in a few years she would look at this and laugh hard at how everybody called her a whore. What a stupid reason to commit suicide I have no respect for her, there are people starving to death and they still try to do everythin to survive but this dumb girl thinks her life is horrible because of what some people think of her?, what a lack of character she got what she deserved.
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You don't have any perspective at this age. You're a disgusting person seriously.
Says who, you? right lol.
Him, me, a whole bunch of other people who are disgusted with your statement.
So because some people don't have perspective at that age, does that mean the whole world is like that? I guess the majority of the world's population at that age wouldn't have made that dumb ass decisition, does that mean I have to sympathise with her disgrace?, not at all I don't care neither do you, we will forget this in less than 5 minutes the world keeps moving and political correctness is a form of tyranny. I understand it where somebody or a group of people who had a real problem feel insulted, me being black for example I get a little pissed off when somebody is racist around, but she had no real problems if you think about it, the whole thing was an excuse and could have done it for some other dumb reason too, maybe she didn't deserve to live in the first place, you know nature has mysterious ways.
Yeah...there are people in the world with real problems...like people in Somalia...
cue tee eff, man. There's 1 million suicides every year, but once again, we're talking about stories like this.
On October 13 2012 04:48 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: People are brutal, the reactions in this topic included.
But didn't you know? We should ostracize every kid who makes a mistake, we should belittle them and call them names and put them even farther down.
Sad that TL users are among the idiots and douchebags who say "got what she deserved". I'm ususally the one at the forefront of defending controversy things in these threads but the fact people are even equating punishment to this degree (or any frankly) is absurdly ridiculous and you should inwardly reflect on yourself and grow up.
On October 13 2012 05:06 Bobgrimly wrote: Simple rules for life. NEVER FLASH ONLINE. NEVER FLASH UNLESS YOU ARE HAPPY FOR THE WORLD TO SEE. Should be taught in schools as basic 101 internet and phone usage.
Also as a side note.... don't be a whore. Respect relationships and demand that anyone you partner with does too. Don't think you are cool cheating on someone or helping someone cheat. You are just a whore.
Her life could have been a lot easier and better (she wasn't ugly) if she hadn't been a bit of a whore. Its hard to sympathize with her when she did all that willingly. That's what started it all... she willingly fucked up her life. Maybe unknowingly cause she was a bimbo with no clue but that's like a moth to the flame. Maybe her parents should have taught her not to be a whore.
I will drill the above lessons into any kids I ever have simply because then they can make their own choices. And its not like this is new ground. This has been the rule since phones started taking pictures or webcams became remotely common (the last ten years).
DO NOT BE A WHORE. Sucks that kids are horrible. Don't give them easy reasons to hate you. Tell your kids!
What a fucking joke. Don't be a whore? Excuse me, she wasn't in a relationship. The guy was. She owed nothing to the other side. If I'm hitting on a girl with a boyfriend and she sleeps with me - who's done worse? Me, the person who has cheated on no one, or the girl, who has also done the equal act of sleeping with someone but is committed not to do so.
Ridiculous. Insinuating that flashing online somehow means it's thus available for everyone to see (which yes, it is, and that's a consequence) is deserved is ridiculous. Especially, because you know, it was illegal for him to do so.
I don't know why I'm getting so riled by this topic - probably because I'm always on the super conservative end of discussions and all the "what happened to caring about other people instead of keeping your money" debates. The lack of sympathy is utterly appalling to me to someone who is a clear victim in this situation.
On October 13 2012 05:23 Zaqwert wrote: I don't think bullying had anything to do with her suicide.
She probably has just had a lot of emotional and mental issues and knew that by posting a youtube video before killing herself it would give her a ton of post death attention and celebrity and it looks like it worked.
Kids have been bullied for tens of thousands of years, the recent moral panic and anti-bullying hysteria isn't going to help because that's not the real problem.
There's an explosion of depression and mental illness in the modern world but it has nothing to do with bullying.
Kids have been committing suicide for ages as well. It's just information spreads 30000x faster now, not to mention the fact images can be recorded and redistributed.
I guess everybody makes mistakes but it does sound like this particular case brought an awful lot on herself. I guess it should be a lesson more than anything.
Bullying sucks. I was bullied a lot from grade 6 through grade 9, and it did indeed make my life absolute hell.
But this girl needed guidance. She needed a family that could support her. It seemed her parents were divorced from the fact that she moved to her moms, and bounced around, etc. Obviously she had bad parents. She could have done SO MUCH to avoid the negativity in her life, but she had no help. Nobody to tell her "get the f*ck off facebook, get away from the computer, throw away your phone, and let's do xyz to make your life better."
And, I think the reason she was so glued to social media and other communication devices, is probably a result of that lack of presence in her life. She was alone, as she said. She needed some company, even if it was fraught with hate.
Perspective folks. Just because kids starve and die in Africa, doesn't mean it hurts less to have a living hell of a life in a civilized country where she has many material things at her disposal. It's irrelevant to your mental health. Suicide isn't something that comes easily, you know.
I really feel bad for things like this. Bullying goes unchecked in many MANY schools, despite the obvious severity of the problem and the horrible repercussions of it. Lazy teachers, shitty parents, bored kids, and a weak public school system. More should be done, but it's hard when schools hardly have the resources to TEACH the kids, let alone look after them.
Shit gets so much better after highschool, I remember some of my friends who I played Halo with got bullied, even in Grade 12 that turned around because most of us (Hockey team/Lacrosse team) stood up for them when shit hit the brick.
Tired of idiots going nowhere picking on the few who are simply different :D. I like diversity in people, why can't we all!
Anyway, sad story
Now that's what I call edgy
Yeah it's one of their better videos/songs and it fits really well.
I really don't understand why this is getting so much attention.
Shes a "hot" female that has commited suicide so its front page news all over the internet.
There are 100s of suicides everyday and for much more serious reasons than, "Ï Flashed on cam then fucked someone elses boyfriend and now people don't like me"
Then she has the nerve to post a Youtube video to seek attention. She probably hasn't even told the full story.
I am sorry that this post is angry but why are people wasting so much energy on this.
On October 13 2012 08:27 RagequitBM wrote: She attended my school. She did a lot of really dumb things, that cue card thing is just from her side of it so it looks like she is the victim, and thats why kids were mean to her. I definitely don't agree with what they did though, don't get me wrong. I've never been bullied, and usually the bullying only comes when someone does something dumb, they don't get randomly picked on. But nothing she did should make her deserve this. Ah well. Fourth person in the last year from my school. We must be really suicidal 0.o
Wow. And the conclusion you come to is that "we must be really suicidal". *facepalm* Something is obviously fucked up with the "culture" of your school that it drew 4 people to suicide for "doing something dumb".
On October 13 2012 08:24 DDie wrote: I still don't know why bullying escalate the way it does in US/Canada, i guess it's a cultural thing?
Is it actually worse here? I really have no idea. Maybe it's just as bad everywhere else but we don't hear about it? I mean, these things happen all the time here, we just generally don't hear about it.
Here in Brazil there are two types of schools, private ones(with superior education) and public ones(which are trash, seriously, public education here is a joke)
Saying that I went to a private school so my opinion may be biased. From experience i would say bullying was almost non-existant, not only in my school but in others as well, kids sometimes pick on someone, but that's just kids being kids.
Now to get to the point of pointing fingers at one specific person and constantly harassing him/her over the years, to have someone getting beat in front of the entire school just ''for the lulz? No, it doesn't happen here, never heard of anything like that.
Girls here do a LOT more than just flashing and hooking up with someone's else BF, and its no big deal.
On October 13 2012 05:01 TheMooseHeed wrote: Coming from a guy I could never fully understand her perspective but I see bullying as just a fact of life, if she couldnt handle school bullying she would have been hard pressed to handle the real world which is full of even worse bullies.
I am however angered that she wasnt given the tools to deal with bullying from her parents and teachers etc
System let her down
Have you entered the "real world"? Is that a joke? The "real world" as you put it has a lot of people that generally speaking are much better at minding their own business and not gossiping about everything. What "real world" do you live in where bullies are worse? It's generally accepted that bullying is at its worse in middle-high school (imo mostly middle school, only time I was ever bullied was ~2 years, and not severely thank god).
I dunno man, pretty much every job I've had there have been some fucking assholes who are working against you behind your back for little to no reason, probably to take the heat off themselves, I remember one of my old workmates calling me when I was in another room and basically telling me to go say something to the boss just so she could see some drama it was fucking weird.
People are just craftier and less conspicuous about it in the "real world".
I can't imagine how bad it is to grow up with the internet now, teenage years are a clusterfuck as it is.
I wouldn't say that's being bullied. That's more devious and filled with dicks, but it's not as much public ridicule/shaming etc. that we're talking about here. Even today in a meeting I had someone make me look really bad in a situation that he didn't even let me have any input on, which pissed me off, but I wouldn't say I was bullied, even if he was a dick. I tried to help him finish a task we were jointly assigned (with a third person who he's mentoring), he said they had it taken care of, wouldn't let me see the project process flow, and then didn't finish it, but I managed to be the one that looked bad in the process.
sounds to me like this girl had no more problems than the normal teen, she cheated around, she had a few friends, and she got yelled at by the other party. She just didnt have the parental guidance or maturity to handle it what-so-ever. I blame the parents in this case, and most others of teen suicide.
There is nothing inherently tragic about suicide. This belief is entirely cultural and hinges on the characteristic absence of faith in the modern age. Everyone dies, and fast. Obviously, she wasn't having too much fun and so she left and moved on to whatever pastures.
Perhaps if her mom or dad sat down with her at any point in her life to explain that people in general are retarded and that their opinion is the last thing you should ever care for (how about trying to mention that high school lasts a whopping 4 years) she might have had thought about it twice.
On October 13 2012 08:53 Ssoulle wrote: I really don't understand why this is getting so much attention.
Shes a "hot" female that has commited suicide so its front page news all over the internet.
There are 100s of suicides everyday and for much more serious reasons than, "Ï Flashed on cam then fucked someone elses boyfriend and now people don't like me"
Then she has the nerve to post a Youtube video to seek attention. She probably hasn't even told the full story.
I am sorry that this post is angry but why are people wasting so much energy on this.
Because there aren't that many hot chicks in Canada and we need as many as we can get
It sad that it started because of one mistake when she was younger and it just went on and on. Well it not always a good idea to publish too suicide news anyway since it might probe more to do so especially with the attention she get.
On October 13 2012 09:20 pookadin wrote: After reading through this, I have to say that we have the worst of TeamLiquid in this thread.
YOU are the worst of TeamLiquid. This place is CHOCK FUCKING FULL of elitists and general douchebags who think that they are smater than the average person simply becuase they play a strategy game instead of COD. Truth is that you guys are the ones who bring this site down, you are not any better than this girl or anyone else on this website.
On October 13 2012 08:53 Ssoulle wrote: I really don't understand why this is getting so much attention.
Shes a "hot" female that has commited suicide so its front page news all over the internet.
There are 100s of suicides everyday and for much more serious reasons than, "Ï Flashed on cam then fucked someone elses boyfriend and now people don't like me"
Then she has the nerve to post a Youtube video to seek attention. She probably hasn't even told the full story.
I am sorry that this post is angry but why are people wasting so much energy on this.
Because there aren't that many hot chicks in Canada and we need as many as we can get
What part of buttfuck Canada are you from? Even here in New Brunswick at UNB they're enough smoking women going around to quench any mans need! All jokes aside, I really don't know what you're talking about. I've never noticed in my travels any difference in the attractive ratings. Obviously going to Miama beach or the E-T in France is going to have the extra variable of an attraction :D but generally in normal places it seems linear.
On October 13 2012 09:20 pookadin wrote: After reading through this, I have to say that we have the worst of TeamLiquid in this thread.
YOU are the worst of TeamLiquid. This place is CHOCK FUCKING FULL of elitists and general douchebags who think that they are smater than the average person simply becuase they play a strategy game instead of COD. Truth is that you guys are the ones who bring this site down, you are not any better than this girl or anyone else on this website.
A good portion of people in the General forum hardly play SC2. I know once I got 1.3k masters I just kinda stopped playing and haven't played since sept 4th because I have school, a lot of people I would assume are uni students or in their 20's to 30's and just like the forum to converse ideas.
On October 13 2012 04:31 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: No matter how many mistakes she made nothing can ever justify extortion of a kid. By the time she hooked up with that guy she was probably completely messed up already.
I think this is what everyone is missing, is that she was a very impressionable child. Situations like this are exactly why Statutory rape laws exist, she was a child... For the people saying she sohuld have known better, I just don't understand how you can even think that any of this bullying is justifiable. Bullying is very serious and damaging, I can't fathom how people can sit and firmly believe that just because it's happened to them or someone they knew before, that it is ok to happen to anyone else. If even one life is damaged beyond repair, is lost tragically then it means that something has got to change. To reiterate what Nazgul said, the child was a victim of extortion, when at that age how can she be expected to be properly prepared to deflect it? A person's life is fighting for/saving, one day when we all realize that bullying is NOT acceptable, this world will be a much better place.
On October 13 2012 09:20 pookadin wrote: After reading through this, I have to say that we have the worst of TeamLiquid in this thread.
YOU are the worst of TeamLiquid. This place is CHOCK FUCKING FULL of elitists and general douchebags who think that they are smater than the average person simply becuase they play a strategy game instead of COD. Truth is that you guys are the ones who bring this site down, you are not any better than this girl or anyone else on this website.
Im certainly no elitist, infact I hardly play SC2 anymore but still visit these forums to keep up with the community and events. I dont know how you discerned all that off my post..you must be quick to jump to your own conclusions with little actual information.
I was merely expressing my disgust at some of the horrible posts in here calling this girl a whore, a stupid bitch etc etc..no one deserves this. Absolutely no one. Everyone makes mistakes, especially when they are teens. Thats called growing up.. No one deserves this kind of harassment to the point of doing what this poor girl did. I dont care if she was female, male, trans, black, white, asian..whatever.
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