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On October 13 2012 10:15 Bippzy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:03 GreEny K wrote:On October 13 2012 09:49 FabledIntegral wrote:On October 13 2012 09:46 GreEny K wrote:On October 13 2012 08:08 Marti wrote:On October 13 2012 06:18 GreEny K wrote:On October 13 2012 06:17 Marti wrote:On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish. Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish", and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself... Juvenile you say? How old do you think she was? At least read something about her before you throw out your opinion. EDIT Actually, looking at your word choices in general I would say you know nothing about suicide. If you did, you wouldn't call people who commit suicide "selfish". You must be romanian ... No idea what that means... If you have something to say, say it.. It's an inside joke on TL.net relating to sarcasm. Well, as you can tell I've been here a while, but I never knew what that was about... care to explain? He was being sarcastic? Really? I love when people say they were being sarcastic when they look idiotic... Basically Romanians don't get jokes or sarcasm on TL. It's a proven fact(I mean....pattern) and it happens over and over again. I'll break down his post for you: Show nested quote +Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish" First of all he's parodying the arguments against suicide here. Show nested quote +, and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself... Then he makes fun of people calling suicidal kids cowards when it takes balls of steel to kill yourself. TLDR: He was sarcastic, and Romanians don't get sarcasm, I wish you were a romanian but you're a german.
wow i didn't think it would take sooo many posts to explain. Basically greeny K, if you had just clicked the "spoiler" thingy like this :> + Show Spoiler +, you probably would have understood immediately.
Edit: thanks for breaking this down for me
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There's no fucking reason for this thread to exist. People commit suicide every day. Why is this girl's case so special that it warrants its own thread?
No one here has a fucking clue why she killed herself. It's an insult to her and her family to assume that you know why she killed herself because of some crap you read online. It's a tragedy, leave it at that.
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On October 13 2012 10:15 Bippzy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:03 GreEny K wrote:On October 13 2012 09:49 FabledIntegral wrote:On October 13 2012 09:46 GreEny K wrote:On October 13 2012 08:08 Marti wrote:On October 13 2012 06:18 GreEny K wrote:On October 13 2012 06:17 Marti wrote:On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish. Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish", and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself... Juvenile you say? How old do you think she was? At least read something about her before you throw out your opinion. EDIT Actually, looking at your word choices in general I would say you know nothing about suicide. If you did, you wouldn't call people who commit suicide "selfish". You must be romanian ... No idea what that means... If you have something to say, say it.. It's an inside joke on TL.net relating to sarcasm. Well, as you can tell I've been here a while, but I never knew what that was about... care to explain? He was being sarcastic? Really? I love when people say they were being sarcastic when they look idiotic... Basically Romanians don't get jokes or sarcasm on TL. It's a proven fact(I mean....pattern) and it happens over and over again. I'll break down his post for you: Show nested quote +Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish" First of all he's parodying the arguments against suicide here. Show nested quote +, and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself... Then he makes fun of people calling suicidal kids cowards when it takes balls of steel to kill yourself. TLDR: He was sarcastic, and Romanians don't get sarcasm, I wish you were a romanian but you're a german.
Actually I'm Bosnian...
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On October 13 2012 10:38 Voltaire wrote: There's no fucking reason for this thread to exist. People commit suicide every day. Why is this girl's case so special that it warrants its own thread?
No one here has a fucking clue why she killed herself. It's an insult to her and her family to assume that you know why she killed herself because of some crap you read online. It's a tragedy, leave it at that.
lol did you even read the thread? the whole reason its a thread is because she told everyone why she did it before she did it.
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On October 13 2012 10:36 Marti wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:15 Bippzy wrote:On October 13 2012 10:03 GreEny K wrote:On October 13 2012 09:49 FabledIntegral wrote:On October 13 2012 09:46 GreEny K wrote:On October 13 2012 08:08 Marti wrote:On October 13 2012 06:18 GreEny K wrote:On October 13 2012 06:17 Marti wrote:On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote: Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish. Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish", and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself... Juvenile you say? How old do you think she was? At least read something about her before you throw out your opinion. EDIT Actually, looking at your word choices in general I would say you know nothing about suicide. If you did, you wouldn't call people who commit suicide "selfish". You must be romanian ... No idea what that means... If you have something to say, say it.. It's an inside joke on TL.net relating to sarcasm. Well, as you can tell I've been here a while, but I never knew what that was about... care to explain? He was being sarcastic? Really? I love when people say they were being sarcastic when they look idiotic... Basically Romanians don't get jokes or sarcasm on TL. It's a proven fact(I mean....pattern) and it happens over and over again. I'll break down his post for you: Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish" First of all he's parodying the arguments against suicide here. , and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself... Then he makes fun of people calling suicidal kids cowards when it takes balls of steel to kill yourself. TLDR: He was sarcastic, and Romanians don't get sarcasm, I wish you were a romanian but you're a german. wow i didn't think it would take sooo many posts to explain. Basically greeny K, if you had just clicked the "spoiler" thingy like this :> + Show Spoiler +, you probably would have understood immediately. Edit: thanks for breaking this down for me
First post wasn't clear, I second post explained it... I didn't ask for the other ones so suck a nut... JK, I love you
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She showed her breasts? Something tells me there is a lot of missing info here
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On October 13 2012 10:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: This is one of the most depressing threads I've ever seen on TL. Not just for this awful story, but for all the disgusting opinions that have spilled out because of it. It boggles my mind how people are fucking blaming the victim. It's the same sickening mentality that allows stupid shit like "She was asking for it by wearing those clothes" or "he was begging to get shot" or whatever. No, showing your chest on the internet is not grounds for public shaming, extortion, stalking, and beatings.
It's not grounds for it, but it can lead to it. Just like taking a stroll through gang territory at 2 am isn't grounds for being assaulted, but can lead to it.
We teach children to be wary of strangers because we somehow expect children to play a part in keeping themselves safe from pedophiles. No one screams that PSA ads on stranger danger equate to blaming children for their own victimization. No one claims that a kid who ignored the advice and got molested as a result will blame himself whenever he hears someone say, "Don't take candy from strangers," so we should never, ever say that stuff to any children, ever.
Yet when it comes to telling women that exercising restraint in the expression of their sexuality will help minimize their risk of sexual assault/harassment, this is treated as blaming them, and telling women they were asking for it. The truth is, women should be able to dress however they want, and they can dress however they want--but when they do, it's only wise to minimize their other risk factors to compensate. In other words, if you're going to behave in ways that attract a lot of sexual attention from a lot of men (flashing people online), you should not make yourself vulnerable or an easy target (giving away your personal info). Conversely, you're going to behave in ways that make you vulnerable, you shouldn't behave in ways that attract everyone's attention, because a single bad person could target you.
On October 13 2012 10:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: Anyone who says this is in any way her fault (even if she did do something stupid, it's something of ill consequence unless a sick piece of shit does their best to ruin her life for it) needs to reevaluate their mindset, because it's a depraved, almost sociopathic one.
No, it's not. The depraved mindset is that of white knights who think it's okay to discourage others from taking responsibility for their own behavior, and in doing so encourage others to put themselves in danger.
On October 13 2012 10:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: The gross inflation of member count has really brought the scum out of the woodwork.
Yeah, I hate irresponsible white knight scum that thinks they're better than people who do understand personal responsibility.
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On October 13 2012 10:31 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:20 tokicheese wrote: This girl actually went to school with me before she changed schools. Unless there was another Amanda Todd at my school...
What happened is disgusting but she does have some fault in this. I can't imagine someone showing themselves naked to some random person on the internet and not expecting some horrific backlash after hundreds of these stories have happened now... It feels like smoking. It's so painfully obvious that it will have negative consequences down the road and people still do it...
Why were her parents not monitoring her internet usage in grade 7? Or at the very least have the computer in the living room or something. Do you know how much stupid, gross shit people do when they are 12-13? Should they now be held to the same standard of conduct as politicians or EG players? It's partially her fault ... why? For acting like a 13 year old? Nah. She has nothing but my sympathy. That's such a bad excuse. You don't get any more innocence when your young in todays world with social media. Just because your 13 doesn't mean one stupid mistake can destroy your life. I bet you if this girl went to get a job and googled her name they might get pictures of her naked. That's why it's the parents responsibility to make sure what their kids are doing online isn't something like this. It's not like you need to hover 24/7 around the PC just put the computer in the family room.
Girl flashes her boobs at 13 to some creep and then the creep destroys her life. How many times has this exact same thing happened?
This whole drama played out a few times at my school, one girls huge bush and anothers pancake nips and pretty much everyone saw. That was just in my grade that I actually saw. We actually had a huge scandal where a bunch of gr11/12 boys had nude pictures taht gr9/10s sent them. And they keep fucking doing it lol... What do you expect to happen?
It's not like it's rocket science to not go flashing your body to strangers online. I mean what the hell do you think will happen. We had seminars in school in BC about this shit. Girl flashes boobs --> Creep now blackmails you for more shit --> your now at his mercy. I don't understand why people do this at all. You can go on 4chan and see hundreds of random girls of age/underage who decided flashing some random dude was a good idea and now they are going to be forever online with their professional and personal lives in the balance at the mercy of some creep on line.
I'm not claiming I didn't do anything stupid when I was younger. But this isn't the same world that I grew up in. Just like we live in an entirely different world than our parents grew up in. Sadly your time of innocence as a young teen doesn't exist any more.
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On October 13 2012 10:40 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:38 Voltaire wrote: There's no fucking reason for this thread to exist. People commit suicide every day. Why is this girl's case so special that it warrants its own thread?
No one here has a fucking clue why she killed herself. It's an insult to her and her family to assume that you know why she killed herself because of some crap you read online. It's a tragedy, leave it at that. lol did you even read the thread? the whole reason its a thread is because she told everyone why she did it before she did it.
You still don't understand the circumstances. You don't know what was going on in her life. The fact that you viewed a youtube video put up by a suicidal person doesn't make you an expert on her life.
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this poor kid. this poor fucking kid.
it's time like these that i wish social media was 21 and up.
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On October 13 2012 10:46 sc2superfan101 wrote: this poor kid. this poor fucking kid.
it's time like these that i wish social media was 21 and up.
Social media isn't to blame. Bullying has existed since the beginning of time.
There is no one to blame for this tragedy.
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On October 13 2012 10:49 Voltaire wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:46 sc2superfan101 wrote: this poor kid. this poor fucking kid.
it's time like these that i wish social media was 21 and up. Social media isn't to blame. Bullying has existed since the beginning of time. There is no one to blame for this tragedy. true dat.
well, actually, no... i can blame bullies. fuck bullies.
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RIP Amanda live in that town breaks my heart
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On October 13 2012 10:41 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: This is one of the most depressing threads I've ever seen on TL. Not just for this awful story, but for all the disgusting opinions that have spilled out because of it. It boggles my mind how people are fucking blaming the victim. It's the same sickening mentality that allows stupid shit like "She was asking for it by wearing those clothes" or "he was begging to get shot" or whatever. No, showing your chest on the internet is not grounds for public shaming, extortion, stalking, and beatings. It's not grounds for it, but it can lead to it. Just like taking a stroll through gang territory at 2 am isn't grounds for being assaulted, but can lead to it. We teach children to be wary of strangers because we somehow expect children to play a part in keeping themselves safe from pedophiles. No one screams that PSA ads on stranger danger equate to blaming children for their own victimization. No one claims that a kid who ignored the advice and got molested as a result will blame himself whenever he hears someone say, "Don't take candy from strangers," so we should never, ever say that stuff to any children, ever. Yet when it comes to telling women that exercising restraint in the expression of their sexuality will help minimize their risk of sexual assault/harassment, this is treated as blaming victims for their victimization, and telling women they were asking for it. The truth is, women should be able to dress however they want, and they can dress however they want--but when they do, it's only wise to minimize their other risk factors to compensate. In other words, if you're going to behave in ways that attract a lot of sexual attention from a lot of men, you should not make yourself vulnerable or an easy target. If you're going to behave in ways that make you vulnerable, you should not dress in ways that will attract the sexual attention of every man at the bar. Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: Anyone who says this is in any way her fault (even if she did do something stupid, it's something of ill consequence unless a sick piece of shit does their best to ruin her life for it) needs to reevaluate their mindset, because it's a depraved, almost sociopathic one. No, it's not. The depraved mindset is that of white knights who think it's okay to discourage others from taking responsibility for their own behavior, and in doing so encourage others to put themselves in danger. Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: The gross inflation of member count has really brought the scum out of the woodwork. Yeah, I hate irresponsible white knight scum that thinks they're better than people who do understand personal responsibility. You don't have a personal responsibility to not do things you want to do that don't harm anyone else just because other people have the potential to be assholes. It's simpler not to do things where the risk of other people being an asshole is high or the damage an asshole can do is extensive but that doesn't mean you're obligated to make that sacrifice, nor that you deserve the consequences if you don't. I would not advocate a child taking sweets from a stranger because of the asshole risk but that means that the child has been forced to make a sacrifice because the world is a shitty place. Refusing to live in fear or believing that other people are better than they are do not make you deserving of exploitation.
As for the brief attack on female empowerment you felt obligated to throw in there, the reason women need to oppose the whole "you deserved to be raped for leaving the kitchen" thing while we still teach kids to not take sweets from strangers is because we don't live in a world where the defence lawyer for a child molester stands up in court and says "men and women of the jury, how can you believe that the accused kidnapped this child when he was out there in the street taking sweets from any old stranger".
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On October 13 2012 10:41 StateofReverie wrote: She showed her breasts? Something tells me there is a lot of missing info here
And the creep she showed them to got ahold of her info address school, everything and took screenshots of her boobs. Told the girl she had to give him a show or he'd give the pictures to everyone at school. She just ignored him. He went through with the threat and all the kids at her school got the pics on FB and shit.
Then the school kids drove her to switch school with there torture of her. Then the new school found out about it and they beat the shit outta her.
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On October 13 2012 10:50 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:49 Voltaire wrote:On October 13 2012 10:46 sc2superfan101 wrote: this poor kid. this poor fucking kid.
it's time like these that i wish social media was 21 and up. Social media isn't to blame. Bullying has existed since the beginning of time. There is no one to blame for this tragedy. true dat. well, actually, no... i can blame bullies. fuck bullies.
Nope. You don't know all the circumstances of her death. Stop prying into other people's personal matters.
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As much as it was her mistake, she was presumably young when it first started. What baffles me are these following questions though:
1. Why did she not delete her Facebook account? Would any person let social media ruin his/her life? 2. She said she switched schools. I know for a fact that doing so requires that a parent/guardian sign some papers. Who signed the papers? If it was one of her parents, then did the mother/father not ask for a good justification? 3. No police officer would go to a minor and say "Ur nudez got leaked on the internewts, k, bai". If the police came to her door at 4am, surely they spoke to a parent/guardian? 4. Schools in the U.S. are very close to one another (at least in my state). She knew it was a matter of time until the information would catch up. Why not switch states and even change names in order to escape the past and start a new future? 5. She was taken to the hospital for drinking fucking bleach. She was old enough to not mistake bleach for water, or even to assume that it was an accident. Surely a parent would realize that this was a suicidal attempt, yet they didn't take any future and concrete action?
It's a tragic to think that a girl endured so much for such a long time. It really saddens me that she killed herself. What saddens me more is the attitude of the people she believed she trusted, who turned around and bit her in the ass. Where the hell is the parents' response and intervention during the incidents, or even now, after it all ended for her?
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On October 13 2012 11:00 Skeltons wrote: As much as it was her mistake, she was presumably young when it first started. What baffles me are these following questions though:
1. Why did she not delete her Facebook account? Would any person let social media ruin his/her life? 2. She said she switched schools. I know for a fact that doing so requires that a parent/guardian sign some papers. Who signed the papers? If it was one of her parents, then did the mother/father not ask for a good justification? 3. No police officer would go to a minor and say "Ur nudez got leaked on the internewts, k, bai". If the police came to her door at 4am, surely they spoke to a parent/guardian? 4. Schools in the U.S. are very close to one another (at least in my state). She knew it was a matter of time until the information would catch up. Why not switch states and even change names in order to escape the past and start a new future? 5. She was taken to the hospital for drinking fucking bleach. She was old enough to not mistake bleach for water, or even to assume that it was an accident. Surely a parent would realize that this was a suicidal attempt, yet they didn't take any future and concrete action?
It's a tragic to think that a girl endured so much for such a long time. It really saddens me that she killed herself. What saddens me more is the attitude of the people she believed she trusted, who turned around and bit her in the ass. Where the hell is the parents' response and intervention during the incidents, or even now, after it all ended for her?
Maybe her dad knows about it and fucking her too. You like conspiracy?
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yeah whoever that dude was that was an "old guy friend" is really cruel thats taking advantage of a girls situation SOOOO much, she was so vulnerable and everything, sucks how i... or we .. live in a world with fucknuts like these people.
RIP amanda.
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On October 13 2012 10:44 tokicheese wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 10:31 Defacer wrote:On October 13 2012 10:20 tokicheese wrote: This girl actually went to school with me before she changed schools. Unless there was another Amanda Todd at my school...
What happened is disgusting but she does have some fault in this. I can't imagine someone showing themselves naked to some random person on the internet and not expecting some horrific backlash after hundreds of these stories have happened now... It feels like smoking. It's so painfully obvious that it will have negative consequences down the road and people still do it...
Why were her parents not monitoring her internet usage in grade 7? Or at the very least have the computer in the living room or something. Do you know how much stupid, gross shit people do when they are 12-13? Should they now be held to the same standard of conduct as politicians or EG players? It's partially her fault ... why? For acting like a 13 year old? Nah. She has nothing but my sympathy. That's such a bad excuse. You don't get any more innocence when your young in todays world with social media. Just because your 13 doesn't mean one stupid mistake can destroy your life. I bet you if this girl went to get a job and googled her name they might get pictures of her naked. That's why it's the parents responsibility to make sure what their kids are doing online isn't something like this. It's not like you need to hover 24/7 around the PC just put the computer in the family room. Girl flashes her boobs at 13 to some creep and then the creep destroys her life. How many times has this exact same thing happened? This whole drama played out a few times at my school, one girls huge bush and anothers pancake nips and pretty much everyone saw. That was just in my grade that I actually saw. We actually had a huge scandal where a bunch of gr11/12 boys had nude pictures taht gr9/10s sent them. And they keep fucking doing it lol... What do you expect to happen? It's not like it's rocket science to not go flashing your body to strangers online. I mean what the hell do you think will happen. We had seminars in school in BC about this shit. Girl flashes boobs --> Creep now blackmails you for more shit --> your now at his mercy. I don't understand why people do this at all. You can go on 4chan and see hundreds of random girls of age/underage who decided flashing some random dude was a good idea and now they are going to be forever online with their professional and personal lives in the balance at the mercy of some creep on line. I'm not claiming I didn't do anything stupid when I was younger. But this isn't the same world that I grew up in. Just like we live in an entirely different world than our parents grew up in. Sadly your time of innocence as a young teen doesn't exist any more.
Every generation of teenagers believes they're the smartest, the savviest, and that they are the most qualified to pass judgement on each other and police themselves.
I want you to reread this post in ten years when you balls start to sag as low as mine. Then you'll realize how ridiculous it is to justify the demonization of a kid for doing stupid kid shit, and how ridiculous your, 'well gramps, times are a changing' argument actually is.
She made a stupid mistake. The people that bullied her are stupid. And apologist for bullies, in general, are so stupid they don't even realize how stupid they are.
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