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On October 13 2012 09:20 pookadin wrote:
After reading through this, I have to say that we have the worst of TeamLiquid in this thread.
There is good, and there is bad in this thread.
One thing I have to say is that a lot of people seem to be criticising her behaviour before she committed suicide (the video she uploaded), but I don't think anyone had stated that it isn't attention seeking, but a call for help.
Yes, she may be only one person out of how many suicide cases, and it may stand out more... It doesn't mean that we should live and let it die. Do something to recognise what mental disorders/depression/suicide really is about, and that it's not attention seeking behaviour, nor because she had done something "wrong".
Suicide isn't right or wrong. It isn't selfish but neither is it the correct way out. It's simply an escape from the real problem, one that we all need to fix.
Just... Don't abandon people when they're by themself. To abandon someone is a horrible thing to do, and you'd be surprised about what small acts of kindness can do. Let's all think from different perspectives and a broader viewpoint.
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This is tragic. I hope she's found some peace.
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On October 13 2012 08:08 Marti wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 06:18 GreEny K wrote:On October 13 2012 06:17 Marti wrote:On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote:
Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish. Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish", and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself... Juvenile you say? How old do you think she was? At least read something about her before you throw out your opinion. EDIT Actually, looking at your word choices in general I would say you know nothing about suicide. If you did, you wouldn't call people who commit suicide "selfish". You must be romanian ...
No idea what that means... If you have something to say, say it..
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On October 13 2012 09:46 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 08:08 Marti wrote:On October 13 2012 06:18 GreEny K wrote:On October 13 2012 06:17 Marti wrote:On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote:
Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish. Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish", and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself... Juvenile you say? How old do you think she was? At least read something about her before you throw out your opinion. EDIT Actually, looking at your word choices in general I would say you know nothing about suicide. If you did, you wouldn't call people who commit suicide "selfish". You must be romanian ... No idea what that means... If you have something to say, say it..
It's an inside joke on TL.net relating to sarcasm.
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Fuck that.
No one should have endured that much for a mistake.
Too bad on all those kids, no one stood for her.
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On October 13 2012 04:20 AllHailTheDead wrote:
the loss of life is sad and all but......I think this girl is just stupid.....
let me show my boobs to people on the internet(herp derp)
let me give this guy a show so he can make a video(herp derp)
let me go over to this guys house who told me his girlfriend is on vacation(and then she acts like it was his fault "he hooked up with me" no sounds like your just an attention whore......)
also sounds like she has no respect for other people and doesnt give a shit
no smart girl would go have sex with a guy when they have a girlfriend obviously they dont care about you
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
User was temp banned for this post.
Temp Ban for expression of personal opinion on dead people ?
wtf?
agree with everything he said except for last line maybe 
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Port Coquitlam is my hometown. This has been in the local news a lot the last couple of days.
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That video is so painful to watch, especially knowing what happens to her later. She made a mistake, she endured such terrible things for it. So unfortunate that she was unable to find the support that she needed. Suicide should never be the answer
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On October 13 2012 09:49 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:46 GreEny K wrote:On October 13 2012 08:08 Marti wrote:On October 13 2012 06:18 GreEny K wrote:On October 13 2012 06:17 Marti wrote:On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote:
Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish. Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish", and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself... Juvenile you say? How old do you think she was? At least read something about her before you throw out your opinion. EDIT Actually, looking at your word choices in general I would say you know nothing about suicide. If you did, you wouldn't call people who commit suicide "selfish". You must be romanian ... No idea what that means... If you have something to say, say it.. It's an inside joke on TL.net relating to sarcasm.
Well, as you can tell I've been here a while, but I never knew what that was about... care to explain? He was being sarcastic? Really? I love when people say they were being sarcastic when they look idiotic...
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On October 13 2012 09:40 KaRath_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:20 pookadin wrote:
After reading through this, I have to say that we have the worst of TeamLiquid in this thread.
There is good, and there is bad in this thread. One thing I have to say is that a lot of people seem to be criticising her behaviour before she committed suicide (the video she uploaded), but I don't think anyone had stated that it isn't attention seeking, but a call for help. Yes, she may be only one person out of how many suicide cases, and it may stand out more... It doesn't mean that we should live and let it die. Do something to recognize what mental disorders/depression/suicide really is about, and that it's not attention seeking behavior, nor because she had done something "wrong". Suicide isn't right or wrong. It isn't selfish but neither is it the correct way out. It's simply an escape from the real problem, one that we all need to fix. Just... Don't abandon people when they're by themself. To abandon someone is a horrible thing to do, and you'd be surprised about what small acts of kindness can do. Let's all think from different perspectives and a broader viewpoint.
She didn't know how to ask for help. I feel like a lot of the things she complains about in her last video are things that can be dealt with pretty quickly if you just know who to ask for help. I feel bad for her but I also recognize that posting videos on Youtube isn't really calling for help as much as it is asking for attention. I myself have had a really hard time in the past asking for help, often you don't know who to ask, but its important that you ask and spread that information around locally. The internet is not a tool for people who feel depressed and suicidal unless all your looking for a therapist, psychiatrist, or cute pictures of animals.
I had a really hard time dealing with drug addiction but nobody could help me until I started asking for help and was completely honest about what was going on. It was hard, it hurt, it was embarrassing, and I didn't know who to ask. But I just realized at one point that I couldn't go on any further and I asked the next person I talked to for help, who led me to who could actually help me.
I am not trying to be heartless because I really feel bad that she felt she had nothing left to do but take her own life. But I feel like this all could have stopped at "someone was blackmailing me for sexual favors with a naked picture of me" which is where it all started. Being a Martyr for the bullied this way will not make an impact long term.
R.I.P Amanda
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On October 13 2012 09:58 QuackPocketDuck wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 04:20 AllHailTheDead wrote:
the loss of life is sad and all but......I think this girl is just stupid.....
let me show my boobs to people on the internet(herp derp)
let me give this guy a show so he can make a video(herp derp)
let me go over to this guys house who told me his girlfriend is on vacation(and then she acts like it was his fault "he hooked up with me" no sounds like your just an attention whore......)
also sounds like she has no respect for other people and doesnt give a shit
no smart girl would go have sex with a guy when they have a girlfriend obviously they dont care about you
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
User was temp banned for this post. Temp Ban for expression of personal opinion on dead people ? wtf? agree with everything he said except for last line maybe
Theres a thing called respect and decency. He can speak him mind about her, but his lack of decency towards a suicide makes me cringe. I would have perma banned his ass.
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i can't believe that there are so many people that are completely dismissing on the basis that she was "stupid"
she was a kid. she was 15 when she died. i'm 22 now and i feel i'm lucky that i grew up with the evolution of the internet into everyday life. i did some stupid stuff when i was a kid too, just none of it was captured on the internet. aside from which, making a few mistakes doesn't mean she deserved to die. anybody that holds that belief is a fucking idiot. humans make mistakes.
are people really just challenging the legitimacy of this being reported in the media? here's a newsflash - the media report things that will get a reaction. a kid getting shot in rwanda probably won't be reported. they're both sad events. direct your spite at the media.
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On October 13 2012 10:03 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:49 FabledIntegral wrote:On October 13 2012 09:46 GreEny K wrote:On October 13 2012 08:08 Marti wrote:On October 13 2012 06:18 GreEny K wrote:On October 13 2012 06:17 Marti wrote:On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote:
Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish. Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish", and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself... Juvenile you say? How old do you think she was? At least read something about her before you throw out your opinion. EDIT Actually, looking at your word choices in general I would say you know nothing about suicide. If you did, you wouldn't call people who commit suicide "selfish". You must be romanian ... No idea what that means... If you have something to say, say it.. It's an inside joke on TL.net relating to sarcasm. Well, as you can tell I've been here a while, but I never knew what that was about... care to explain? He was being sarcastic? Really? I love when people say they were being sarcastic when they look idiotic...
he was clearly being sarcastic.
And the romanian thing is an inside joke from TL having to do with romanians that couldnt comprehend sarcasm.. It was funny maybe the first hundred times like back in 06. Now anyone that says it just looks like they showed up to the party 6 years late.
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Honestly, I'm so fortunate to old enough not to have been a teenager just as social media was/is exploding.
I was such an emo kid, and made an ass out of myself on a regular basis. I'm just lucky that no one remembers or cares.
I feel so sorry for this kid.
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On October 13 2012 10:03 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 09:49 FabledIntegral wrote:On October 13 2012 09:46 GreEny K wrote:On October 13 2012 08:08 Marti wrote:On October 13 2012 06:18 GreEny K wrote:On October 13 2012 06:17 Marti wrote:On October 13 2012 04:13 Fallians wrote:
Killing yourself is never the answer to this, despite how bad this girl had it taking her own life was absolutely stupid, juvenile and selfish. Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish", and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself... Juvenile you say? How old do you think she was? At least read something about her before you throw out your opinion. EDIT Actually, looking at your word choices in general I would say you know nothing about suicide. If you did, you wouldn't call people who commit suicide "selfish". You must be romanian ... No idea what that means... If you have something to say, say it.. It's an inside joke on TL.net relating to sarcasm. Well, as you can tell I've been here a while, but I never knew what that was about... care to explain? He was being sarcastic? Really? I love when people say they were being sarcastic when they look idiotic...
Basically Romanians don't get jokes or sarcasm on TL. It's a proven fact(I mean....pattern) and it happens over and over again.
I'll break down his post for you:
Yes, i am also convinced that ending one's life is very selfish and that everyone who is suffering should be denied the right to end it because that's "stupid, juvenile and selfish"
First of all he's parodying the arguments against suicide here.
, and that anyone who does that is probably a coward, nevermind the fact that it probably takes balls of steel to decide to kill yourself...
Then he makes fun of people calling suicidal kids cowards when it takes balls of steel to kill yourself.
TLDR: He was sarcastic, and Romanians don't get sarcasm, I wish you were a romanian but you're a german.
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This girl actually went to school with me before she changed schools. Unless there was another Amanda Todd at my school...
What happened is disgusting but she does have some fault in this. I can't imagine someone showing themselves naked to some random person on the internet and not expecting some horrific backlash after hundreds of these stories have happened now... It feels like smoking. It's so painfully obvious that it will have negative consequences down the road and people still do it...
Why were her parents not monitoring her internet usage in grade 7? Or at the very least have the computer in the living room or something.
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On October 13 2012 09:58 QuackPocketDuck wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 04:20 AllHailTheDead wrote:
the loss of life is sad and all but......I think this girl is just stupid.....
let me show my boobs to people on the internet(herp derp)
let me give this guy a show so he can make a video(herp derp)
let me go over to this guys house who told me his girlfriend is on vacation(and then she acts like it was his fault "he hooked up with me" no sounds like your just an attention whore......)
also sounds like she has no respect for other people and doesnt give a shit
no smart girl would go have sex with a guy when they have a girlfriend obviously they dont care about you
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
User was temp banned for this post. Temp Ban for expression of personal opinion on dead people ? wtf? agree with everything he said except for last line maybe
Why he was temp banned
and if I was the other girl I would prob beat her up at school also for being a hoe
(herp derp)x2
Those are the most likely reasons. It;s fine to have a ridiculous opinion that berates yourself, it's another thing to be an idiot in the process.
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This is one of the most depressing threads I've ever seen on TL. Not just for this awful story, but for all the disgusting opinions that have spilled out because of it. It boggles my mind how people are fucking blaming the victim. It's the same sickening mentality that allows stupid shit like "She was asking for it by wearing those clothes" or "he was begging to get shot" or whatever. No, showing your chest on the internet is not grounds for public shaming, extortion, stalking, and beatings.
Anyone who says this is in any way her fault (even if she did do something stupid, it's something of ill consequence unless a sick piece of shit does their best to ruin her life for it) needs to reevaluate their mindset, because it's a depraved, almost sociopathic one.
The gross inflation of member count has really brought the scum out of the woodwork.
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I think people who are dismissing her as stupid just aren't putting themselves in her shoes. You don't exactly have things figured out, nor do you really see the big picture at her age.
Could she have alleviated/fixed some or a lot of her issues? Yes
Is that easy to do when you have anxiety, you're 15, your social life is completely crushed, and a ruthless stranger has exposed a naked photo of you to two of your high schools? No
Failure on the part of her parents, school staff, and just society in general to not reach out to someone CLEARLY troubled.
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On October 13 2012 10:20 tokicheese wrote:
This girl actually went to school with me before she changed schools. Unless there was another Amanda Todd at my school...
What happened is disgusting but she does have some fault in this. I can't imagine someone showing themselves naked to some random person on the internet and not expecting some horrific backlash after hundreds of these stories have happened now... It feels like smoking. It's so painfully obvious that it will have negative consequences down the road and people still do it...
Why were her parents not monitoring her internet usage in grade 7? Or at the very least have the computer in the living room or something.
Do you know how much stupid, gross shit people do when they are 12-13? Should they now be held to the same standard of conduct as politicians or EG players?
It's partially her fault ... why? For acting like a 13 year old?
Nah. She has nothing but my sympathy.
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