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Velr
Switzerland10960 Posts
Why? In Switzerland it's also quite easy to get a gun... Or you have one from the Military service... Yet still just about no one thinks about shooting a burglar. Maybe because its stupid and barbaric, maybe because we are all cowards, maybe because the cost of a live is higher than the cost of a Notebook or TV.... | ||
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GohgamX
Canada1096 Posts
Edit for story link: http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/27/investigation-continues-into-teen-shot-by-cops | ||
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
On October 12 2012 22:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Apparently not in your school, because using hyperbole to justify your otherwise invalid argument is inappropriate. "This bag weights a ton, I can't carry it !" "INVALID ARGUMENT, in fact it only weights 3Kg" So if I switch "every single" with "a lot of" then my argument suddenly become valid ? :| | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On October 12 2012 22:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Apparently not in your school, because using hyperbole to justify your otherwise invalid argument is inappropriate. The hyperbole wasn't the part that justified the argument, just like putting words in italic doesn't justify your faulty statement. On October 12 2012 22:20 Nizaris wrote: It is ridiculous that you can even shoot some1 if your life isn't in any danger. Well that's how it is now isn't it. We're all so individualistic and selfish, shooting at people is just fine because our own life is worth a thousand others. Especially if they're poor. | ||
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CaptainCrush
United States785 Posts
On October 12 2012 22:20 Nizaris wrote: It is ridiculous that you can even shoot some1 if your life isn't in any danger. I think its ridiculous that you think you should be able to waltz into someones home without fear of getting hurt, but both of our views are just opinions. However, I think yours is the more wrong one here but posts like these contribute very little to what actually happened here... | ||
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solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
On October 12 2012 22:30 CaptainCrush wrote: I think its ridiculous that you think you should be able to waltz into someones home without fear of getting hurt, but both of our views are just opinions. However, I think yours is the more wrong one here but posts like these contribute very little to what actually happened here... Getting hurt is something else than getting instantly murdered. Who the fuck shoots a burglar in the head anyway? Not even a warning shot.. not even a non fatal shot... nope.. just straight for the head. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46480 Posts
On October 12 2012 22:20 BlitzerSC wrote: "This bag weights a ton, I can't carry it !" "INVALID ARGUMENT, in fact it only weights 3Kg" So if I switch "every single" with "a lot of" then my argument suddenly become valid ? :| No, what I mean is your underlying argument about gun ownership implying this unnecessary gun death is invalid at face value, and you brushing it off as *just* hyperbole (but still implying that you've made a valid point looking past the exaggeration) is incorrect, because there's data on both sides of the gun control issue. Giving someone a gun doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to do something stupid like this. There is not a causal relationship between more guns and more gun-related deaths. You can even check out some data here (specifically, the table): http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list On October 12 2012 22:25 Djzapz wrote: The hyperbole wasn't the part that justified the argument, just like putting words in italic doesn't justify your faulty statement. The hyperbole was attempting to justify it, because it's an argument that more guns in America = more needless deaths, and there's data on both sides of that argument, so simply saying that everyone having a gun means that it makes sense that this guy was wrongfully shot is ridiculous (as opposed to any other country that has a smaller percentage of guns, this scenario can't happen? that's absurd. it's the man's fault, not the fact that more guns exist in this country). | ||
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CaptainCrush
United States785 Posts
On October 12 2012 22:34 solidbebe wrote: Getting hurt is something else than getting instantly murdered. Who the fuck shoots a burglar in the head anyway? Not even a warning shot.. not even a non fatal shot... nope.. just straight for the head. And if he is armed, then what? It's actually very likely that a burglar is armed in the united states. So you shoot him in the leg and then he shoots you in the head, great idea... not even police are taught to shoot to intimidate or shoot to disable. This guy was a retired cop so he had been instructed to shoot to kill for his entire life. If I was put in a situation where I had to shoot a burglar, it would be his head. This debate has been brought up here a million times and it always seems like Denmark and Netherlands (among a few other european nations) are at the extreme opposite end of Americans on gun control. You aren't going to change my mind just like I'm not going to change yours, but just put yourself in this situation for one second. That might be what actually changes your mind, I dunno. | ||
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AlphaWhale
Australia328 Posts
Total bummer, man. | ||
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3772
Czech Republic434 Posts
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TheRealArtemis
687 Posts
I have heard of so many cases from the US where the burglars arent just stealing your shit when they break in, but they will beat, torture, and even kill you if they discover that somebody is home. I understand that he shot first, but he shouldnt have gone for the head. He should have made a leg shot. If this actually was a burgler with a history of violence etc. I bet nobody would hear and care for the guy who died. I for one wouldnt. | ||
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solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
On October 12 2012 22:44 CaptainCrush wrote: And if he is armed, then what? It's actually very likely that a burglar is armed in the united states. So you shoot him in the leg and then he shoots you in the head, great idea... not even police are taught to shoot to intimidate or shoot to disable. This guy was a retired cop so he had been instructed to shoot to kill for his entire life. If I was put in a situation where I had to shoot a burglar, it would be his head. This debate has been brought up here a million times and it always seems like Denmark and Netherlands (among a few other european nations) are at the extreme opposite end of Americans on gun control. You aren't going to change my mind just like I'm not going to change yours, but just put yourself in this situation for one second. That might be what actually changes your mind, I dunno. What kind of situation is that... kill him because he might kill you first. Honestly I dont know how things go in America and I understand your reasoning. Ultimately it makes sense ( sort of), but no matter how you look at it thats just a completely fucked up situation. | ||
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Paperplane
Netherlands1823 Posts
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
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Zirob13
Costa Rica44 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10960 Posts
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Warillions
United States215 Posts
On October 12 2012 15:11 Cascade wrote: Even if it he would be 100% sure that it was a burglar, taking the decision to kill another person over having some stuff stolen, is completely beyond my understanding. Killing before even being sure who it is, is just sad.  Sorry but I do not value your life greater than household possessions. Break into my house and try to steal my shit and you will die If I have the power to do so. Come into my home and try to steal my son's or wife's shit. I will murder you and piss on the gunshot wounds. Actually just break into my home. you will be dead before you have a chance to see what I have to steal. | ||
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ddrddrddrddr
1344 Posts
On October 12 2012 23:22 Warillions wrote: Sorry but I do not value your life greater than household possessions. Break into my house and try to steal my shit and you will die If I have the power to do so. Come into my home and try to steal my son's or wife's shit. I will murder you and piss on the gunshot wounds. Actually just break into my home. you will be dead before you have a chance to see what I have to steal. Pretty sure that last sentence is how this happened. Good to know that this can happen again. | ||
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Holytornados
United States1022 Posts
On October 12 2012 15:22 TheVanillaCoke wrote: Jesus people... He's not some gun toting psychopath. This guy was a HOMICIDE detective for 40 years. Do you have any idea what that can do to a guy? If you think examining a homicide doesn't leave scar tissue in the brain, You're crazy. This guy might have had PTSD, he might have had a flash back of some fucked up shit he saw in his 40 years of homicide, and when his son came in the back door, His instincts took over and he cracked. So basically he should not have been deemed sufficiently mentally stable to own a gun? That's what I got out of this. That the man has been mentally scarred and gun laws should have prevented him from owning a firearm. | ||
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