EPTOn October 13 2012 01:56 riotjune wrote:
better safe than sorry
better safe than sorry
Yup. Bet the father feels very safe and not at all sorry now.
Retired cop shoots son, mistook him as burglar - Page 10
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Edlina
Denmark28 Posts
Yup. Bet the father feels very safe and not at all sorry now. | ||
Gatored
United States679 Posts
On October 12 2012 14:53 heliusx wrote: Jeez that's one fucked up story. But why are you asking why they had firearms? You know as well as I it's their right guaranteed to them. You shouldn't use a sensational story to further your view on others. Ah, but it is inevitable that the vast majority of EU people will do exactly what you said they shouldn't. | ||
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Holy_AT
Austria978 Posts
Even if the this man owned a gun I am still puzzled where he kept it and if it was loaded, when he was able to respond so fast. So this man had a loaded gun with him all the time or in an easy accesible place. That is just nonsense, if I would feel so threatend that I had to carry a gun or have it so easily accessible I would do something against the root cause instead of arming myself this way ... | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
Obviously, this father had some serious mental issues that pushed him over the edge like this. It is unfortunate. | ||
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Holy_AT
Austria978 Posts
You know as well as I it's their right guaranteed to them. I think I also have the right to go arround dressed like a clown, but this wouldnt stop other people from asking why I do this. Having the right doing something and actually doing something are two different pairs of shoes. | ||
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
But then again I doubt anything conclusive would happen, as a cursory glance at Wikipedia's entry for "Gun control" reads: University of Chicago economist Steven Levitt argues in his paper, Understanding Why Crime Fell in the 1990s: Four Factors that Explain the Decline and Six that Do not,[38] that available data indicate that neither stricter gun control laws nor more liberal concealed carry laws have had any significant effect on the decline in crime in the 1990s. While the debate remains hotly disputed, it is therefore not surprising that a comprehensive review of published studies of gun control, released in November 2004 by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, was unable to determine any reliable statistically significant effect resulting from such laws, although the authors suggest that further study may provide more conclusive information. But its been 8 years. So there should be something new by now, right? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On October 13 2012 00:15 Magnious wrote: I guess that I don't understand why they shot the "intruder" in the head in the first place? I don't think there should be a gun control arguement. I think it should be more of a gun responsibility. Why not disable the "intruder", instead of shooting them in the head. The "intruder" didn't have a gun, it was their own son. From my understanding, for the retired police officer, doesn't shooting in the head go against their training? Well we're talking about an ex-cop who went through rigid training to be allowed to carry a gun as a policeman. Clearly it's not a problem of some "idiots" being irresponsible about having a gun. If it was well here's a newsflash: As a civilian you probably won't get anywhere close to or even better than an ex police officer about handling guns. If that's really the case it's not about a minority but probably the vast majority. Of course the situation is retarded and so is the legislation but guess what, you've got things like that in every country about something cultural people feel very strongly about. We're allowed to drive 300km/h on the Autobahn in germany. Most people outside Germany probably consider it ridiculous as well, especially if you take away the "aaaaaw, I'd really love to do that once in my lifetime as well"-argument and you're probably left with a bunch of guys telling you it's retardedly dangerous and stupid on a daily basis. Guess what, we're still allowed to drive 300km/h because we like our cars and we like driving fast while being perfectly aware of the situation. There's nothing more to it than "buuuuuut we like it so much". Same with guns. If you're fine with those accidents feel free to have guns in your country the way you've got them right now. It's not going to change (even if it was to change it'd take a while until there's way fewer guns around) and if you're against it you're probably best to move somewhere else. There's plenty of places you can life outside the US that have the same living standard. Not saying you shouldn't try to optimize things or change stuff that's just wrong but this issue won't change. It just won't because it's to deeply into peoples minds. | ||
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psychopat
Canada417 Posts
If someone's breaking into my place, the alarm will go off, the insurance will pay for whatever they take. Not worth taking someone's life for generic stuff or risking my own life. Yes, it is all just about generic stuff because people breaking in aren't looking for confrontation. They're hoping no one's home anyway... either that or they're your family. | ||
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CrtBalorda
Slovenia704 Posts
 Pathetic. A cop that is scared enough to instantly shoot the traspasser in the head without even seeing his face. He could have just called the cops while holding the guy hostage. But stupid stuff always happens and it is possible that this actully happened but he could also be lieing. Have to wait for more. Edit: Can people stfu about poeple having guns? He is a retired cop not some random person. | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On October 13 2012 02:06 Dienosore wrote: The gun is only a tool for the murderer. Obviously, this father had some serious mental issues that pushed him over the edge like this. It is unfortunate. I think its unfortunate that you just believe things based off your feelings. How do you know if he had serious mental issues or not? Unless I missed it in the article or something, you should try not talking out of your ass. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On October 13 2012 02:08 Holy_AT wrote: I think I also have the right to go arround dressed like a clown, but this wouldnt stop other people from asking why I do this. Having the right doing something and actually doing something are two different pairs of shoes. I was alluding to the fact that he was using this story to start round #212 of gun debate on tlnet. Which I believe is completely pointless. Every single time it's round and round of people ignoring each other and posting their opinions. And with a few pages it becomes a ban trap because people get all passionate. Let's also no forget the obligatory america bashing from europe. | ||
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strength
United States493 Posts
Being a retired cop, i would think he would have played this ALOT smarter. But then again, if he is retired, he started atleast 20+ years ago.. when it was ALOT easier to join a police department. | ||
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Magnious
United States68 Posts
On October 13 2012 02:17 Toadesstern wrote: Well we're talking about an ex-cop who went through rigid training to be allowed to carry a gun as a policeman. Clearly it's not a problem of some "idiots" being irresponsible about having a gun. If it was well here's a newsflash: As a civilian you probably won't get anywhere close to or even better than an ex police officer about handling guns. If that's really the case it's not about a minority but probably the vast majority. Of course the situation is retarded and so is the legislation but guess what, you've got things like that in every country about something cultural people feel very strongly about. We're allowed to drive 300km/h on the Autobahn in germany. Most people outside Germany probably consider it ridiculous as well, especially if you take away the "aaaaaw, I'd really love to do that once in my lifetime as well"-argument and you're probably left with a bunch of guys telling you it's retardedly dangerous and stupid on a daily basis. Guess what, we're still allowed to drive 300km/h because we like our cars and we like driving fast while being perfectly aware of the situation. There's nothing more to it than "buuuuuut we like it so much". Same with guns. If you're fine with those accidents feel free to have guns in your country the way you've got them right now. It's not going to change (even if it was to change it'd take a while until there's way fewer guns around) and if you're against it you're probably best to move somewhere else. There's plenty of places you can life outside the US that have the same living standard. Not saying you shouldn't try to optimize things or change stuff that's just wrong but this issue won't change. It just won't because it's to deeply into peoples minds. I don't understand why you quoted me here... | ||
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Pusekatten
Norway234 Posts
He knows how the system works, hes been working as a murder investigator for 40 years! The thing Im wondering most about is, how did he wake up? Have you even been woken up by someone walking in the back door, I sure have not been. And why not ask who it is before shooting the guy, like yelling "WHOS THERE?! I GOT A GUN!" I know it might been dark, and he might have a bad eye sight due to old age. But if that was the case, how did he manage to hit the head? And why did he even aim for the head, instead of the body? | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
1) Father falls asleep while bumming in the couch watching Jay Leno 2) Son leaves house 3) Son comes back to the house, enters through the back door 4) Father mistakes son for intruder and shoots him Ok so... My first question is, was the father still asleep on the couch, or somewhere else, when he was woken up by a man coming in the backdoor? Where was the gun before his father picked it up? Where was the father sitting/standing when he pulled the trigger, and where was his son sitting/standing when he was shot? If he had the gun next to him while he was asleep on the couch, then there's something else going on for sure. I've grown up around guns, and no one I've ever known keeps a firearm on their end table next to the couch... It just seems really strange to me that 1) a 77 year old man could be woken up by the opening and closing of a door alone. Most old people I know have really_really bad hearing. The son, knowing his father was already asleep when he left(?) was probably doing his best to be quiet as possible, right? 2) That this old man was able to retrieve his firearm, point, and shoot before his son noticed what was going on and was able to cry out. Has the old man been evaluated for any signs of the onset of Alzheimer's, PTSD, or dementia? He was a homicide cop for a lot of years and no doubt saw a lot of crazy bad stuff in his time. Alzheimer's and dementia can go un-diagnosed for years until the signs are incredibly prevalent (I know because my family has experienced both). If the father is diagnosed with any of those diseases, then this shooting is about a lot more than "why dem 'muricans have 'em guns." True Story about a similar situation my Grandpa experienced: His youngest daughter was a sleepwalker. One night, my grandpa woke up to the sound of stuff rattling in the living room. He grabbed his 12 gauge loaded with 00 buckshot and went to see about it. Thankfully, he didn't pull the trigger before finding out who was in his house. Otherwise, life would sure be different for our family today. I think its also important to note that only weeks earlier, my grandfather's house had been broken into. They stole several (6 or 7 i think) of his guns. So, my grandfather had plenty of cause to be suspicious of someone outside of his family being in the house that night. The moral of the story is that not everyone in America with a gun is itching to pull the trigger on someone. When things like this happen, its a reflection of the individual pulling the trigger rather than a reflection of our citizens as a whole or the freedoms we enjoy. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On October 13 2012 04:08 Magnious wrote: I don't understand why you quoted me here... Me neither, wasn't the point why he shot his son in the head instead of warning and then disabling him? Because that's the thing that confuses me too? Who aims at the head if you are not a killer or at war... especially with police training. | ||
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AgniKai
70 Posts
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
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guN-viCe
United States687 Posts
On October 12 2012 23:38 Nizaris wrote: gun related death in your country shows that you're wrong and i'm not. Some1 robs you here and you kill him, you'll go to jail for murder as it should be. This isn't the Wild West anymore. "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6". This isn't the wild west, it's real life. Some people who rob you will also injure/rape/kill you/your family. You think they care about you? | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On October 12 2012 15:22 TheVanillaCoke wrote: Jesus people... He's not some gun toting psychopath. This guy was a HOMICIDE detective for 40 years. Do you have any idea what that can do to a guy? If you think examining a homicide doesn't leave scar tissue in the brain, You're crazy. This guy might have had PTSD, he might have had a flash back of some fucked up shit he saw in his 40 years of homicide, and when his son came in the back door, His instincts took over and he cracked. One more reason to restrict access to firearms for civilians. | ||
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