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Regardless of the ridiculousness of even thinking it is possible to include in the olympics:
Tetris as a single player game is not well suited for a competitive format. Sure, you can modify the speeds and modify the shapes to make it easier to differentiate between the best, but it still seems like a pretty bad spectator sport.
Starcraft 2 is a 2 player game and there is enough to differentiate the players in terms of "abilities". A 1v1 sport is an advantage in many cases since it makes it easier to set up correctly (Oh the horrors of badly run lan's!). On the downside you have a huge problem in terms of IPR since the game is owned and controlled by Blizzard (The KESPA case - even though it did not give any precedence on copyright concerning replays and the rights of the copyrightholder in terms of compensation and attribution - does point towards a potential risk of getting sued concerning rights to the broadcasts/replays etc.). Having no lan is very bad for the ability to run the game competitively in a controlled way (you are screwed if Blizzards servers go down or if the internet is cut off, which are non-existing concerns for lan-ready games!). The fact that the game has a salevalue is another brick in the wall since it makes it almost a necessity to include Blizzard in the sponsor-lounge even if they did not give money/resources to the tournament!
League of Legends is a multiplayer game and therefore has an even higher propensity for errors and drops. It is FTP and could therefore potentially demand a lesser interaction with the developer, but the copyright/trademark-issues still remain, as does the problems of no lan.
In terms of legal issues I would go for freeware multiplayer games with a highly competitive scene and no issues in terms of third part engine and patented code. I am not sure they exist at the moment. ESWC developed a game of their own in the past to avoid these issues but it did not fly completely.
In all honesty I think there is a need for looking at international agreements on how the IPR should work in the digital environment for esports to even be a viable contender.
ACTA in all its unbalanced, badly worded and dishonest terminology could be a small step in the right direction in terms of enforcement. However, it might have been slightly better to actually agree on the substance (both in terms of laws and exceptions) and make it clear in something that is not being pushed as a "Trade Agreement", before agreeing on how to enforce it (Which is the actual "trade agreement" part)...
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the poll is really silly. Sc2 Tetris or Lol, seriously? I vote fo Chess.
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Every Olympic I hear about people talking how chess might make it into the games - it has yet to happen.
One of the articles on the badminton incident claim that badminton as a sport has a wobbly status in the Olympic committee and if harsh punishments are not given out then the sport has a chance to be removed from the games. I will vote to keep something such as badminton over starcraft any day.
While "esports" such as starcraft takes a lot of skill and godly high apm: its player base is no where close to meeting that of the "traditional sport". Video games also changes way too frequent to be part of something that will most likely continue to happen a century later.
DDR have a much higher chance of making it into the Olympics before SC2.
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On August 03 2012 07:36 llamasrule1214 wrote:
Eh, while this is a interesting idea, i feel like its kinda disregarding the tradition of the Olympics, physical competition among the best in the world, and E-Sports doesn't really have that feeling. Being a high level swimmer myself, I know from a first-hand POV that the work ethic needed to be even remotely OK at any sport is ridicioulous, both mentally and physcially, one must push themselves, but E-Sports like sc2 doesn't have the physical component. The Olympics, imo, should be a place of the world's physical best only. just my 2 very biased cents.
this is narrow thinking right there. If there is no physical element it cant be sport. What physical element is in bobsleigh? The running part? Or in all kinds of shooting competitions? And do you really think one can be best in the world in sc2 without pushing oneself? Well you clearly know nothing of the scene.
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On August 06 2012 04:58 Cheerio wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 07:36 llamasrule1214 wrote:
Eh, while this is a interesting idea, i feel like its kinda disregarding the tradition of the Olympics, physical competition among the best in the world, and E-Sports doesn't really have that feeling. Being a high level swimmer myself, I know from a first-hand POV that the work ethic needed to be even remotely OK at any sport is ridicioulous, both mentally and physcially, one must push themselves, but E-Sports like sc2 doesn't have the physical component. The Olympics, imo, should be a place of the world's physical best only. just my 2 very biased cents. this is narrow thinking right there. If there is no physical element it cant be sport. What physical element is in bobsleigh? The running part? Or in all kinds of shooting competitions? And do you really think one can be best in the world in sc2 without pushing oneself? Well you clearly know nothing of the scene.
both bobsleigh and shooting requires a ton of physical training. i find it funny that people complaining about mainstream media for refusing to recognize gaming as a legitimate sports do so by making the same ignorant generalizations about other sports.
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What a ridiculous suggestion , they won't even allow motorised sport at the olympics and you think they will allow this? Motorised sport is more physical than video games.Olympics is about physical activity not mental.Also they should bring back tug-o-war.
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Both SportAccord and The IOC recognize Chess and Bridge as sports, even if they aren't held as events at the Olympics. Their definition of a sport does not include physical activity. Why it is that cars, boats, horses, Chess, playing cards, guns, and bows are all ok to use in sports but a computer isn't is beyond me. I'm not sure where people get this idea that sports have to have a physical component from? We live in an era of computers, and our understanding of sports needs to change to accomodate that.
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On August 07 2012 01:43 sfdrew wrote:
Both SportAccord and The IOC recognize Chess and Bridge as sports, even if they aren't held as events at the Olympics. Their definition of a sport does not include physical activity. Why it is that cars, boats, horses, Chess, playing cards, guns, and bows are all ok to use in sports but a computer isn't is beyond me. I'm not sure where people get this idea that sports have to have a physical component from? We live in an era of computers, and our understanding of sports needs to change to accomodate that.
Because Computer games require electricity. And I believe that as long as the activity doesn't involve motors/engines, it is okay.
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Sc would be nice though i have small hopes for this.
Things like chess and bridge or snooker never made it to the olympics either.
I guess its only for physical sports.
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What physical element is in bobsleigh?
Gravity.
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On August 06 2012 04:58 Cheerio wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 07:36 llamasrule1214 wrote:
Eh, while this is a interesting idea, i feel like its kinda disregarding the tradition of the Olympics, physical competition among the best in the world, and E-Sports doesn't really have that feeling. Being a high level swimmer myself, I know from a first-hand POV that the work ethic needed to be even remotely OK at any sport is ridicioulous, both mentally and physcially, one must push themselves, but E-Sports like sc2 doesn't have the physical component. The Olympics, imo, should be a place of the world's physical best only. just my 2 very biased cents. this is narrow thinking right there. If there is no physical element it cant be sport. What physical element is in bobsleigh? The running part? Or in all kinds of shooting competitions? And do you really think one can be best in the world in sc2 without pushing oneself? Well you clearly know nothing of the scene.
i know right, nascar and F1 is just turning the wheel left and right while sitting in a chair 
irony is strong with this one
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Why is there no "StarCraft: Brood War" to vote for?!
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On August 03 2012 07:31 Jaso wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 07:30 aeroblaster wrote:
You put LoL up on that list but not Dota 2? mega hard fail dude Why? LoL has a much bigger competitive scene right now.
It is about the skill though. In that regard neither Dota 2 nor LoL should be on that list. If BW would still be played it would be an even better option than SCII.
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I do not understand, why it is that professional athletes are glorified and considered productive members to society, but professional gamers considered parasites and pathetic?
If you really think about it, the determination is the exact same. You can spend your entire life training for what ever sport you want, be it Baseball, Soccer, Football, whatever, and you will become a very skilled player in the respective sport. Some people may be naturally gifted and thus better than you, but most will be left in awe at what you have achieved.
The EXACT same can be said about professional gamers. Most people out there just assume professional gaming is as easy as slicing a cake, when in reality these professionals train almost everyday for countless hours to perfect their skill and get to where they are. And it's this determination that baffles me, in the eye of the public they are just shut ins who have no life when the same can be said about professional athletes. Sure athletes have hot and sexy bodies which are lusted over by anyone, but if a professional gamer had as much determination to play a physical sport as he did for an e-sport he too would be a great athlete in it.
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On August 07 2012 03:08 Schlootle wrote:
I do not understand, why it is that professional athletes are glorified and considered productive members to society, but professional gamers considered parasites and pathetic?
If you really think about it, the determination is the exact same. You can spend your entire life training for what ever sport you want, be it Baseball, Soccer, Football, whatever, and you will become a very skilled player in the respective sport. Some people may be naturally gifted and thus better than you, but most will be left in awe at what you have achieved.
The EXACT same can be said about professional gamers. Most people out there just assume professional gaming is as easy as slicing a cake, when in reality these professionals train almost everyday for countless hours to perfect their skill and get to where they are. And it's this determination that baffles me, in the eye of the public they are just shut ins who have no life when the same can be said about professional athletes. Sure athletes have hot and sexy bodies which are lusted over by anyone, but if a professional gamer had as much determination to play a physical sport as he did for an e-sport he too would be a great athlete in it.
Simple, it's new.
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Hopefully by 2016 or 2020, Professional Starcraft will have grown to such a level that we would not want it included as an olympic sport.
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On August 07 2012 03:08 Schlootle wrote:
I do not understand, why it is that professional athletes are glorified and considered productive members to society, but professional gamers considered parasites and pathetic?
If you really think about it, the determination is the exact same. You can spend your entire life training for what ever sport you want, be it Baseball, Soccer, Football, whatever, and you will become a very skilled player in the respective sport. Some people may be naturally gifted and thus better than you, but most will be left in awe at what you have achieved.
The EXACT same can be said about professional gamers. Most people out there just assume professional gaming is as easy as slicing a cake, when in reality these professionals train almost everyday for countless hours to perfect their skill and get to where they are. And it's this determination that baffles me, in the eye of the public they are just shut ins who have no life when the same can be said about professional athletes. Sure athletes have hot and sexy bodies which are lusted over by anyone, but if a professional gamer had as much determination to play a physical sport as he did for an e-sport he too would be a great athlete in it.
Because professional gaming has been around a decade. Professional athletics have been around for centuries.
edit: beat to it
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On August 07 2012 05:46 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 03:08 Schlootle wrote:
I do not understand, why it is that professional athletes are glorified and considered productive members to society, but professional gamers considered parasites and pathetic?
If you really think about it, the determination is the exact same. You can spend your entire life training for what ever sport you want, be it Baseball, Soccer, Football, whatever, and you will become a very skilled player in the respective sport. Some people may be naturally gifted and thus better than you, but most will be left in awe at what you have achieved.
The EXACT same can be said about professional gamers. Most people out there just assume professional gaming is as easy as slicing a cake, when in reality these professionals train almost everyday for countless hours to perfect their skill and get to where they are. And it's this determination that baffles me, in the eye of the public they are just shut ins who have no life when the same can be said about professional athletes. Sure athletes have hot and sexy bodies which are lusted over by anyone, but if a professional gamer had as much determination to play a physical sport as he did for an e-sport he too would be a great athlete in it. Because professional gaming has been around a decade. Professional athletics have been around for centuries. edit: beat to it
That, and nerd stuff is still frowned upon.
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On August 07 2012 06:11 rezoacken wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 05:46 rysecake wrote:On August 07 2012 03:08 Schlootle wrote:
I do not understand, why it is that professional athletes are glorified and considered productive members to society, but professional gamers considered parasites and pathetic?
If you really think about it, the determination is the exact same. You can spend your entire life training for what ever sport you want, be it Baseball, Soccer, Football, whatever, and you will become a very skilled player in the respective sport. Some people may be naturally gifted and thus better than you, but most will be left in awe at what you have achieved.
The EXACT same can be said about professional gamers. Most people out there just assume professional gaming is as easy as slicing a cake, when in reality these professionals train almost everyday for countless hours to perfect their skill and get to where they are. And it's this determination that baffles me, in the eye of the public they are just shut ins who have no life when the same can be said about professional athletes. Sure athletes have hot and sexy bodies which are lusted over by anyone, but if a professional gamer had as much determination to play a physical sport as he did for an e-sport he too would be a great athlete in it. Because professional gaming has been around a decade. Professional athletics have been around for centuries. edit: beat to it That, and nerd stuff is still frowned upon.
not much imo. i didnt consider that for a second on this topic and i still find it insulting for the induction of sc2 or any video game for that matter to be part of olympics.
videos gamers should compete amongst video gamers, like WCG. it has no place at all at for a place like olympics. and if there's any consideration, video games should be the last thing. a more traditional, rich in heritage, such as chess or go or poker should be considered first but i'd still say no to those.
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