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Kakaw
13 Posts
On August 04 2012 23:18 Zer atai wrote: I really don't see the difference between this and a conservative vowing to ban gay marriage in his or her city or state. People will stand up for corporations though ^^ | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
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Kakaw
13 Posts
On August 04 2012 23:31 1Eris1 wrote: So why didn't Merino and Emmanuel campaign against Obama in 2008? This is one single issue: But Obama wanted to recognize gay couples within the law from the beginning I believe, | ||
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
On August 04 2012 23:18 Zer atai wrote: I really don't see the difference between this and a conservative vowing to ban gay marriage in his or her city or state. Banning gay marriage and banning a fast food chain because it says it supports/opposes gay marriage are very different things. You can't ban a corporation because their CEO doesn't agree with your personal views. | ||
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throttled
United States382 Posts
On July 26 2012 05:57 whatevername wrote: Self evidently it is not baller for the Government to openly [or discreetly] favour one business over another for whatever reason. This is an abuse of power, and for that matter its basically an attempt by local Government to bully businesses politically. Anyone who supports this is basically a fascist. Yeah dude! If McDonalds gives aid to terrorist organizations, banning them is just a facist, immoral abuse of power! Companies should be able to do whatever they want with their money with no repurcussions! Ron Paul 2013! NO MORE FASCISM! P.S. I seriously hope your post is a joke in the first place and I just got trolled. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On August 04 2012 23:59 ampson wrote: Banning gay marriage and banning a fast food chain because it says it supports/opposes gay marriage are very different things. You can't ban a corporation because their CEO doesn't agree with your personal views. but you can ban people from being legally 'together' because you dont agree with their personal views? | ||
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Sawajiri
Austria417 Posts
Edit: as for the topic at hand, I don't know why people still don't get that it's not about Cathy not being allowed to have his views. (TBH, I also blame the liberals/gay-rights activists for this for focusing on the wrong issue and making it seem as if the debate was solely about gay marriage and Cathy's opinion, and the mass media for continuing to report it in a way that suggests this. The LGBTQ community and their allies seem to be rather awkward at picking their battles sometimes). What's objectionable about Chick-fil-a is not that the CEO favors 'traditional values', it's that he's donated money to groups who support, among other things, the criminalization of homosexuality,the re-education camps for gay youth (or those perceived as such), the censoring of TV shows and violent video games, and a lot of other objectionable efforts. One of them, the Family Research Council, spent $25,000 in 2010 to lobby US Congress not to condem Uganda 'Kill the Gays' bill. | ||
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Kakaw
13 Posts
On August 04 2012 23:59 ampson wrote: Banning gay marriage and banning a fast food chain because it says it supports/opposes gay marriage are very different things. You can't ban a corporation because their CEO doesn't agree with your personal views. But you can discriminate in law based upon what the bible says? | ||
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Cutlery
Norway565 Posts
On August 04 2012 23:59 ampson wrote: Banning gay marriage and banning a fast food chain because it says it supports/opposes gay marriage are very different things. You can't ban a corporation because their CEO doesn't agree with your personal views. This only makes sense because you treat this issue as a theocracy. By 'western norms' you're politically incorrect. In arab countries your biblical views would make sense. But, after seeing Mitt Romney in action in the UK and Jerusalem: I think many of you americans are perfectly happy being your own island. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
This Chick-Fil-A scandal has got me worried. I want to go to Arby's but I don't know where they stand on the unrest in Syria Conan O'brien can even see how silly the reactions of this whole Chick-Fil-A thing are. Though this thread has just turned into another gay marriage debate. Totally overlooking the point of this thread, legit. | ||
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RavenLoud
Canada1100 Posts
On August 05 2012 00:02 throttled wrote: Yeah dude! If McDonalds gives aid to terrorist organizations, banning them is just a facist, immoral abuse of power! Companies should be able to do whatever they want with their money with no repurcussions! Ron Paul 2013! NO MORE FASCISM! P.S. I seriously hope your post is a joke in the first place and I just got trolled. That's very different things. This company isn't killing people or sponsoring murderers. If McDonalds did that people will just have (another) reason to not buy their crap. Unlike petroleum companies, they don't have the luxury of selling products with non-elastic demand and very little alternatives.  The concept that the government should not meddle with businesses or people for expressing their view isn't that bad of a thing really. Obviously nobody will take you seriously if your views are outdated or just plain suck, but there's a line between respectfully disagreeing or boycotting and to just to shut them down. Cut it with the hyperbole please, I are for gay marriage (it has been legalized in Canada a long time ago anyway) but don't advocate it by making yourself look like a self-righteous jerk instead of a critical thinker. It can be counter-productive, especially in matters that depends on winning the hearts and minds. | ||
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inn5013orecl
United States227 Posts
On August 05 2012 14:00 Irave wrote: Conan O'brien can even see how silly the reactions of this whole Chick-Fil-A thing are. Though this thread has just turned into another gay marriage debate. Totally overlooking the point of this thread, legit. Am I the only one here that is pro gay rights that supports Chick Fil A in this "debate" if you will. I think Evelyn Beatrice Hall's famous quote is relevant here: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." edit: point for me has never been about pro vs anti gay marriage...it's always been a matter of freedom of speech. | ||
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my0s
United States193 Posts
The memes basically sum it up, lets all ask a open and devote christian his views on gay marriage and then get upset when he gives us an answer that we dont like. Maybe im missing something in this story, but the guy just doesnt support gay marriage. It has 0 to do with his business, it doesnt discriminate and follows every law. The guy personally just doesnt support gay marriage and may or may not use some of his money to support his beliefs (which is not to support "torture straight" camps or whatever non-sense). Sounds the like exact ideals this country was founded under. I am all for equal rights myself, but I can understand this guys position and personal beliefs, and he doesnt support it. And frankly if you dont like it, too bad imo. Never seen a country so proud about its freedom, turn and condemn each other for not thinking the same so quickly. | ||
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Daozzt
United States1263 Posts
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On August 05 2012 14:52 my0s wrote: I have never gotten tired of a media trend so quickly as I have with this story. The memes basically sum it up, lets all ask a open and devote christian his views on gay marriage and then get upset when he gives us an answer that we dont like. Maybe im missing something in this story, but the guy just doesnt support gay marriage. It has 0 to do with his business, it doesnt discriminate and follows every law. The guy personally just doesnt support gay marriage and may or may not use some of his money to support his beliefs (which is not to support "torture straight" camps or whatever non-sense). Sounds the like exact ideals this country was founded under. I am all for equal rights myself, but I can understand this guys position and personal beliefs, and he doesnt support it. And frankly if you dont like it, too bad imo. Never seen a country so proud about its freedom, turn and condemn each other for not thinking the same so quickly. You can have any opinion you like, but so can other people about your opinion. Nobody has to respect your belief, just because you have an opinion. All they need to respect is your right to have one. If you go around saying women are inferior to men, and black people should be slaves again, you can actually say that and nobody will be able to stop you. What you can't demand though, is that people respect your beliefs. Being anti-gay is going where it was always headed, into history with the likes of racism. Sure, current anti-gay people refuse to acknowledge the obvious and what to distinguish themselves from racists of the past, but the truth is that history will treat them the same. I agree that the government shouldn't be banning companies for their expressed views, that is part of their freedom of speech, but nobody is forced to applaud them for expressing a soon out-dated view. | ||
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Daozzt
United States1263 Posts
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my0s
United States193 Posts
On August 05 2012 15:06 zalz wrote: I agree that the government shouldn't be banning companies for their expressed views, that is part of their freedom of speech, but nobody is forced to applaud them for expressing a soon out-dated view. You may have misread my post, but I dont recall asking anyone to applaud him for his views, they are just his own. People keep bringing up slavery and such, which does not compare at all. Sure some legal things need to change to give gay people the same legal rights in relationships/marriage as everyone else. But thats a far stretch from enslavement. And nobody is asking people to praise him for his views, they are his own. But he was actively sought out and made "an example of" for his views. The fact that people are basically demonizing him for his views are ridiculous. Especially since they are religious in nature. Religion has been around long before gay rights, and will be around long after. If peoples idea of "gay rights" is that everyone must accept gay people or be demonized, that will never happen. The only reason its even remotely happening now is because gay rights are this year(s) media hot button. Personally I believe gay people should be afforded every legal right that any other couple is given, and thats about where it ends. And it will happen soon. But this has nothing to do with this guy or his business. This is just him, and his personal non-business related views, and being condemned for them. There is nothing to be gained from this story, just pointless mud slinging and hate. Making it just as bad as the people who are actively opposing gay rights. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On August 05 2012 15:32 my0s wrote: You may have misread my post, but I dont recall asking anyone to applaud him for his views, they are just his own. Exactly. So bashing him for his views is fine. Taking government action is not. People keep bringing up slavery and such, which does not compare at all. Sure some legal things need to change to give gay people the same legal rights in relationships/marriage as everyone else. But thats a far stretch from enslavement. I didn't bring up slavery, but the comparison with racism is valid. And nobody is asking people to praise him for his views, they are his own. But he was actively sought out and made "an example of" for his views. The fact that people are basically demonizing him for his views are ridiculous. Especially since they are religious in nature. Religion has been around long before gay rights, and will be around long after. If peoples idea of "gay rights" is that everyone must accept gay people or be demonized, that will never happen. Religion has been around, but the current morality that religion preaches is pretty new. Don't expect to hear any preacher from a 100 years ago talk about how you had to love everyone. Hell and brimstone were the name of the game, and you would be hard pressed not to find a preacher that explained why Jews were the worst people in the world. Christianity today and a 100 years ago are vastly different. Not everyone must accept gay people, that is impossible. Not everyone has to accept racial equality, and they don't. Doesn't change the fact that eventually your views are so out of line with the mainstream that they begin to affect your personal life. Being anti-gay will one day be as repugnant as being racist. There is nothing wrong with that. You can still hold those views, but they say something about the content of your character, so don't be surprised when people react in a negative fashion when someone reveals being a bigot. The only reason its even remotely happening now is because gay rights are this year(s) media hot button. Being dismissive of the changing tides doesn't change the fact that the tides are changing. This isn't "this years" issue, it is here to stay and can't be stopped. Personally I believe gay people should be afforded every legal right that any other couple is given, and thats about where it ends. And it will happen soon. But this has nothing to do with this guy or his business. This is just him, and his personal non-business related views, and being condemned for them. There is nothing to be gained from this story, just pointless mud slinging and hate. Making it just as bad as the people who are actively opposing gay rights. I agree that the banning of businesses is a bad move, but there is nothing wrong with people giving their counter opinion, whatever that may be. | ||
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Groog
127 Posts
On August 05 2012 15:32 my0s wrote: The only reason its even remotely happening now is because gay rights are this year(s) media hot button. Yes, and Black Rights were the media hot button of the late 60's, right? Oh wait... | ||
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finlurrrr
United States37 Posts
On August 05 2012 14:00 Irave wrote: Conan O'brien can even see how silly the reactions of this whole Chick-Fil-A thing are. Though this thread has just turned into another gay marriage debate. Totally overlooking the point of this thread, legit. QFT, I can't believe the idiots who are incessantly arguing on and on about this. Just stick to the original topic or let it die, ffs! | ||
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