"For the first time, the influx of Asians moving to the U.S. has surpassed that of Hispanics, reflecting a slowdown in illegal immigration while American employers increase their demand for high-skilled workers.
An expansive study by the Pew Research Center details what it describes as 'the rise of Asian-Americans,' a highly diverse and fast-growing group making up nearly 6 percent of the U.S. population. Mostly foreign-born and naturalized citizens, their numbers have been boosted by increases in visas granted to specialized workers and to wealthy investors as the U.S. economy becomes driven less by manufacturing and more by technology...".
My own thoughts: I haven't looked into the numbers, but I can't help the feeling that maybe the title is a bit fallacious. My personal judgement is that illegal immigrants coming from South America would probably still outnumber legal or illegal Asian immigration into the U.S. If anyone knows better, share your knowledge.
Update: Thanks given to smarty pants for providing a link to the Pew Research data.
Lol, seems like a very racist headline "Less hispanics, less illegal immigrants, american jobs require more asians for skillful jobs" is what I read into it...
That being said, who really cares? Whether it be Whites/hispanics/blacks/asians, all the same imo so whichever has a higher influx is whatever. If anything comes from this article, it is kind of saying that Americans can't work at the high-skilled job (america is getting dumber) so they are hiring more foreigners (note Neil Degrasse talks about this many times, how the education system is crippling America's ability to compete)
On June 21 2012 07:42 NB wrote: oh hey.... there are people who can do math in your country now
I always wonder how people get away with calling our country stupid when have virtually all of the highest level college institutions.
we have both sides of the coin in that regard
why are public schooling standards so low? all of those exams designed to test proficiency in any subject throughout school are what is considered to be the bare minimum requirements by the country or state
I always wonder how people get away with calling our country stupid when have virtually all of the highest level college institutions.
Ignorance.
I don't think you understand what intelligence is... That's like saying "we have the best hockey team because we have the best rinks in the world"
America's education system is on a rapid decline, and the average PhD coming out is most certaintly not American... Nor is it Canadian, the entire West's education system is crumbling fast.
So basically, it's not getting away with anything, America is on an intellect level, not nearly as superior as the Asian countries, and following most 1st world nations also.
Furthermore, the University's are privately funded properties... If it they were located in Bosnia I wouldn't simply say "Bosnia so smart", the history of the matter is that in the 20th century, America had the brightest students in the world so the universities built there, but following so many educational reforms, it's not on the very low end scale.
On June 21 2012 07:42 NB wrote: oh hey.... there are people who can do math in your country now
I always wonder how people get away with calling our country stupid when have virtually all of the highest level college institutions.
Because of Bill O´Reilly, Sarah Palin and other people with power in media and politics. Who cares about the real questions when it's so much more fun to watch Jersey Shore and conclude "Americans...".
On June 21 2012 07:42 NB wrote: oh hey.... there are people who can do math in your country now
I always wonder how people get away with calling our country stupid when have virtually all of the highest level college institutions.
we have both sides of the coin in that regard
why are public schooling standards so low? all of those exams designed to test proficiency in any subject throughout school are what is considered to be the bare minimum requirements by the country or state
The U.S.A lets their stupid kids get an education, whereas in most asian or european countries they ship the dumb/less motivated ones off to vocational schools etc... In some places they even have to take entrance exams to get into high school. So naturally the United States will have lower test scores when they measure performance in these subjects, as the pool of students is much more diverse ability-wise.
On June 21 2012 07:39 NeMeSiS3 wrote: Lol, seems like a very racist headline "Less hispanics, less illegal immigrants, american jobs require more asians for skillful jobs" is what I read into it...
That being said, who really cares? Whether it be Whites/hispanics/blacks/asians, all the same imo so whichever has a higher influx is whatever. If anything comes from this article, it is kind of saying that Americans can't work at the high-skilled job (america is getting dumber) so they are hiring more foreigners (note Neil Degrasse talks about this many times, how the education system is crippling America's ability to compete)
What do you mean who really cares? I can't believe this would be a surprise to you, but the racial make-up and demographic representation of incoming/recent immigrants is of immense importance in the US, be it politically, economically, or socially. The burgeoning Asian-American population is already having an impact on higher ed and the cultural sensibilities of admissions boards for colleges. Common ports of entry for Asian immigrants will see increased population growth, both short and long term, so there will certainly be regional and local effects, as there already have been. The interpretations of what this new fact means are varied and difficult to pin down, but I assure you people care.
On June 21 2012 07:42 NB wrote: oh hey.... there are people who can do math in your country now
I always wonder how people get away with calling our country stupid when have virtually all of the highest level college institutions.
That only matters if all of your population goes to college. They're refering to the majority of the population, no the small percentage that went through post-secondary education.
On June 21 2012 07:42 NB wrote: oh hey.... there are people who can do math in your country now
I always wonder how people get away with calling our country stupid when have virtually all of the highest level college institutions.
I don't see this generation becoming competent leaders in academia. Moreover, don't you find it a bit odd that despite the best secondary educational resources available to them, Americans fail pretty fucking hard at meeting demands for these high skilled jobs?
On June 21 2012 07:42 NB wrote: oh hey.... there are people who can do math in your country now
I always wonder how people get away with calling our country stupid when have virtually all of the highest level college institutions.
That only matters if all of your population goes to college. They're refering to the majority of the population, no the small percentage that went through post-secondary education.
There was a nice little rant from Michio Kaku about how although America has world leading research and educational facilities, most of the top posts are not filled by Americans. i.e. although American institutions kick ass, its because of foreign input, and they end up educating foreigners more than Americans to the highest level.
No idea how true it is, but it does demonstrate how a country can have world class stuff but not world class citizens.
Sortof like how once the old generation retires, there will probably be much much fewer English doctors, because native Brits are that under represented.
On June 21 2012 07:42 NB wrote: oh hey.... there are people who can do math in your country now
I always wonder how people get away with calling our country stupid when have virtually all of the highest level college institutions.
I don't see this generation becoming competent leaders in academia. Moreover, don't you find it a bit odd that despite the best secondary educational resources available to them, Americans fail pretty fucking hard at meeting demands for these high skilled jobs?
It's not odd at all. Once Americans get to higher education, they do fine in comparison to other countries. It's getting there that is the issue, and the obvious problem is the state of primary and secondary ed in the United States. In addition to a shift in labor concentrations, the current structure of public education is to blame.
What do you mean who really cares? I can't believe this would be a surprise to you, but the racial make-up and demographic representation of incoming/recent immigrants is of immense importance in the US, be it politically, economically, or socially. The burgeoning Asian-American population is already having an impact on higher ed and the cultural sensibilities of admissions boards for colleges. Common ports of entry for Asian immigrants will see increased population growth, both short and long term, so there will certainly be regional and local effects, as there already have been. The interpretations of what this new fact means are varied and difficult to pin down, but I assure you people care.
Congrats, you missed his point completely.
He says its irrelevant what race it is. You're just being a good democrat and making it a race issue. This would be good news for anyone.
On June 21 2012 07:42 NB wrote: oh hey.... there are people who can do math in your country now
I always wonder how people get away with calling our country stupid when have virtually all of the highest level college institutions.
That only matters if all of your population goes to college. They're refering to the majority of the population, no the small percentage that went through post-secondary education.
There was a nice little rant from Michio Kaku about how although America has world leading research and educational facilities, most of the top posts are not filled by Americans. i.e. although American institutions kick ass, its because of foreign input, and they end up educating foreigners more than Americans to the highest level.
No idea how true it is, but it does demonstrate how a country can have world class stuff but not world class citizens.
Sortof like how once the old generation retires, there will probably be much much fewer English doctors, because native Brits are that under represented.
I think I knew immediately what you were referring. This video perhaps?
What do you mean who really cares? I can't believe this would be a surprise to you, but the racial make-up and demographic representation of incoming/recent immigrants is of immense importance in the US, be it politically, economically, or socially. The burgeoning Asian-American population is already having an impact on higher ed and the cultural sensibilities of admissions boards for colleges. Common ports of entry for Asian immigrants will see increased population growth, both short and long term, so there will certainly be regional and local effects, as there already have been. The interpretations of what this new fact means are varied and difficult to pin down, but I assure you people care.
Congrats, you missed his point completely.
He says its irrelevant what race it is. You're just being a good democrat and making it a race issue. This would be good news for anyone.
We can pretend all people and cultures are the same, or we can grow up and learn to toe the line between discussing cultural differences and racism. A thousand Mexicans and a thousand Koreans walk into a bar.......and everyone orders the same drink.
On June 21 2012 07:42 NB wrote: oh hey.... there are people who can do math in your country now
You guys are really out of control just because someone made a comment like this Which is uncalled for but , you guys don't need to take personal offence to it he didn't say YOU as a person can't do math he made a broad generalization ( which isn't very founded)
On June 21 2012 07:42 NB wrote: oh hey.... there are people who can do math in your country now
I always wonder how people get away with calling our country stupid when have virtually all of the highest level college institutions.
That only matters if all of your population goes to college. They're refering to the majority of the population, no the small percentage that went through post-secondary education.
There was a nice little rant from Michio Kaku about how although America has world leading research and educational facilities, most of the top posts are not filled by Americans. i.e. although American institutions kick ass, its because of foreign input, and they end up educating foreigners more than Americans to the highest level.
No idea how true it is, but it does demonstrate how a country can have world class stuff but not world class citizens.
Sortof like how once the old generation retires, there will probably be much much fewer English doctors, because native Brits are that under represented.
It's so true. Walk into any decent chemistry or physics department and I guarantee you will hear mandarin being spoken somewhere. Same for biology (especially molecular/cell), though not as severe. There aren't just chinese people either, I was in a meeting just recently where there was a Brit, an Italian, a Chinese guy, and me, the only dude raised in the US and this thing isn't uncommon. The US just houses the best post secondary institutions and attracts other countries' smartest individuals.
On June 21 2012 08:18 farvacola wrote: We can pretend all people and cultures are the same, or we can grow up and learn to toe the line between discussing cultural differences and racism. A thousand Mexicans and a thousand Koreans walk into a bar.......and everyone orders the same drink.
Why should we spend so much time learning about other cultures? How about instead of learning at an early age that everyone is different and we should tolerate those differences we instead find similarities and use them to strengthen relationships.
The Kaku video is very interesting, because both speakers bring very good points about the American education system. The other guy besides Kaku has a really good point. Besides, it doesn't even seem like he's arguing against Kaku. From what I heard him say, he was trying to bring to light of how fucked up our education system is because it's being turned into being a business standpoint. The reason why it's so fucked up is because they don't give a fuck about you your freshman and sophmore year. Therefore, it becomes a survival of the fittest in these institutions of higher learning, where if you struggle to keep up you get kicked out - all they care about is taking your tuition fees. This is a big problem. Both have good points.
On June 21 2012 07:42 NB wrote: oh hey.... there are people who can do math in your country now
I always wonder how people get away with calling our country stupid when have virtually all of the highest level college institutions.
That only matters if all of your population goes to college. They're refering to the majority of the population, no the small percentage that went through post-secondary education.
There was a nice little rant from Michio Kaku about how although America has world leading research and educational facilities, most of the top posts are not filled by Americans. i.e. although American institutions kick ass, its because of foreign input, and they end up educating foreigners more than Americans to the highest level.
No idea how true it is, but it does demonstrate how a country can have world class stuff but not world class citizens.
Sortof like how once the old generation retires, there will probably be much much fewer English doctors, because native Brits are that under represented.
It's very true. Check out the undergraduate profile versus graduate profile for Stanford: 8% versus 33% international (http://facts.stanford.edu/undergraduate.html and http://facts.stanford.edu/graduate.html).
Empirically it used to be the case that those foreign grads would aspire to stay in the US and what not. But when I started working I met several foreign grads who's goal was to make a bunch of money in the US (higher salaries here than lots of the world) then go home and start their own company.
You can blame lots of things for this, but a big part of it is that the standard of living in America isn't hugely higher than say Asia anymore (anyone been to Asia in the 80s? it's worlds different now). And probably the fall of the Soviet Union means less of those Eastern Europeans aren't going to stay in America either (I grew up around *lots* of Russian Jewish families who's parents had come here for education during the Cold War and never went back).
Edit: Just got my report button.. accidentally hit report instead of quote at first; something about great power and all that huh?
On June 21 2012 08:00 epik640x wrote: Note that this includes India.
Article is misleading because Indians are genetically Caucasian and not what Americans think when they hear "Asian".
This is true. Most immigrants now are actually from India if they could afford it. There would be little reason for the majority them to stay in their country in its current state. "Asians" that Americans usually know of such as Chinese, Korean, Japanese usually now only send their children here to study, but not to stay. The way I see it, most people who are immigrants coming here are no longer the poor who seek the once called "American Dream", but now a wealthy man's desire. It's a shame though, that a lot of poorer immigrants have little chance of becoming something more here now...
that is very interesting. wouldnt consider english so close to indian/iranian.
I think it's more a case of 'Caucasian' being more diverse genetically than the other 3 groups. I wonder how distinct the entire middle east / Indian part of the Caucasian grouping is from the rest; like would geneticists laugh at the notion of considering middle east / Indian as a 5th racial group?
that is very interesting. wouldnt consider english so close to indian/iranian.
I think it's more a case of 'Caucasian' being more diverse genetically than the other 3 groups. I wonder how distinct the entire middle east / Indian part of the Caucasian grouping is from the rest; like would geneticists laugh at the notion of considering middle east / Indian as a 5th racial group?
I wouldn't jump to conclusions based off this image, at best you can say we don't know, you can also say that it's false. Indian part is probably true in relation to this discussion, assuming we're talking biology, not geography.
However, reading the article seems to have some interesting stats. Some are predictable (i.e. 2x more Asian women have an interracial marriage compared to Asian men), others I would have never known (Korean-Americans more vocal about their racial treatment, feels less integrated).
What do you mean who really cares? I can't believe this would be a surprise to you, but the racial make-up and demographic representation of incoming/recent immigrants is of immense importance in the US, be it politically, economically, or socially. The burgeoning Asian-American population is already having an impact on higher ed and the cultural sensibilities of admissions boards for colleges. Common ports of entry for Asian immigrants will see increased population growth, both short and long term, so there will certainly be regional and local effects, as there already have been. The interpretations of what this new fact means are varied and difficult to pin down, but I assure you people care.
Congrats, you missed his point completely.
He says its irrelevant what race it is. You're just being a good democrat and making it a race issue. This would be good news for anyone.
We can pretend all people and cultures are the same, or we can grow up and learn to toe the line between discussing cultural differences and racism. A thousand Mexicans and a thousand Koreans walk into a bar.......and everyone orders the same drink.
Almost pointless to discuss immigration these days, especially with respect to hispanics. There are enough hispanics in the US now that immigration is nothing, it's a tiny drop in the bucket, hardly matters. What matters now is birth rates, if you want to talk about future demographics.
that is very interesting. wouldnt consider english so close to indian/iranian.
I think it's more a case of 'Caucasian' being more diverse genetically than the other 3 groups. I wonder how distinct the entire middle east / Indian part of the Caucasian grouping is from the rest; like would geneticists laugh at the notion of considering middle east / Indian as a 5th racial group?
I wouldn't jump to conclusions based off this image, at best you can say we don't know, you can also say that it's false. Indian part is probably true in relation to this discussion, assuming we're talking biology, not geography.
I agree, wikipedia in fact lists Indians as belonging to all 4 racial groups, depending on where they originate from (with a lot of intermarrying between the different regions). So it's hardly cut and dry even if you take the image as gospel.
But I have learned a lot about the Indo-Aryan migration (which is still a theory after all, the other one benig Aryans were indigenous to India not migrants from Central Asia) and Indo-European language divergences to know that Indians share quite a lot more with Europeans than most people would think.
On June 21 2012 08:00 epik640x wrote: Note that this includes India.
Article is misleading because Indians are genetically Caucasian and not what Americans think when they hear "Asian".
This is true. Most immigrants now are actually from India if they could afford it. There would be little reason for the majority them to stay in their country in its current state. "Asians" that Americans usually know of such as Chinese, Korean, Japanese usually now only send their children here to study, but not to stay. The way I see it, most people who are immigrants coming here are no longer the poor who seek the once called "American Dream", but now a wealthy man's desire. It's a shame though, that a lot of poorer immigrants have little chance of becoming something more here now...
+1 my Korean wife for immigration.
She didn't want to come to the US, but my job moved from South Korea to the US. So she followed me over to the US. She prefers South Korea, but she's trying to make it work.
lol she definitely did not come here for the "American Dream" both of her parents are employed and her brother is still in university. Korea is pretty high tech. They have everything that they would need in a lifetime. I'm dumbfounded whenever I go on a train and everyone has smartphones, even the "Ajumas" (older women).
The "American Dream" died a long time ago... if it ever existed. Get an education, know the right people, get a good paying job, invest your money wisely, and profit in retirement. GG
Meh, these threads always end up attracting clueless posters shouting dogmatic political slogans and racial stereotypes.
A nice companion piece to this is the Pew research on Hispanics that was released a month or so ago. They found out that the Hispanic immigration ratio has reserved. More are going back to their home countries than coming to the US. Their population has reached a tipping point where there are no more of the traditionally Hispanic jobs for them to fill.
As an aside, geography plays a huge part in immigration. Immigrants are pretty much self-selecting. In Western Europe, Arab immigrants occupy the niches that Hispanics occupy in the US. In contrast, Arab Americans are pretty well educated. Having to cross oceans does that.
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