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hanlonbro
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Hypertension
United States802 Posts
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ecstatica
United States542 Posts
On May 03 2012 02:41 sc2superfan101 wrote: have you ever gone a few days without food? i went about two days without eating anything once while i was living with my brother in utah, and i have to say, it was probably the worst two days of my life. i was so fucking hungry by the time i actually got some pizza that i wanted to die. i almost cried the second day. now, i'm not some uber-tough survivorman type that can just beast through any hardship, but i'm not exactly a wimp either. five days without food or water sounds like a living hell to me. 10 days without food or water and 75% chance that your ass is dead (maybe not but who the fuck actually wants to test that and prove me wrong?) even if you aren't dead, that shit would be so fucking terrible i can't even imagine how bad that would be or what i would be doing at the end of it. Actually the feeling of hunger itself and food cravings subside day 3. So you've almost gotten there. Your mind is crystal clear throughout days 4 and 5, a lot of people claim never being this sharp before, seeing things in perspective etc. Read some diaries of ppl that fast, you'll find a lot of that. There's rarely any confusing at all, not even talking about doing outright insane stupid shit. My father went 7 days with no food or water, I vividly remember that. He was obviously prepared for it and did it voluntarily, which makes a difference. But this isn't anything near impossible, you have no idea how many people tried it as a religious practice or fasting for health benefits. | ||
zachMEISTER
United States625 Posts
And to everyone saying "why didn't he scream?" Have you ever been in a holding cell? Ever been processed into jail? Yelling doesn't get you anywhere. And to unbeknownst officers on duty, the story "I'm innocent and waiting to go home" isn't going to fly. I'm sure he gave it his valiant effort before deciding it was pointless. I mean the kid WAS an engineering student, and obviously delved in psilocybin and amphetamines. He's not stupid. Infact, drinking his own piss kept him alive. If everyone gets up in arms about this, I expect to start hearing more about Bradley Manning Or Julian Assange. It's officially been over 500 days for Assange, without charge. | ||
TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
lack of water, on the other hand, even in ideal circumstances (these were not) will almost certainly kill you within a week. The fact that he was experiencing kidney failure says to me that the guy was already in big trouble. Anyway, we are just throwing numbers around now. The point is that this guy was severely mistreated, and whatever his past crimes were doesn't really matter. The fact that he was on drugs says that he already needed help. | ||
AllHailTheDead
United States418 Posts
On May 03 2012 02:47 Hypertension wrote: I like how everyone is assuming this kid will get millions of dollars. People spend decades in jail in the US for false reasons. People get raped in jail, people get beaten in jail, etc, etc. Millions of dollars are not awarded. This kid will be lucky to get a few thousand dollars. I doubt he will even get a lawyer willing to take this case. Is this like a joke post? really? pretty sure he already got someone. Dont know why you would think that when in reality he probably has all kind of high profile lawyers throwing themselves at him just for a huge case like this | ||
Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
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ecstatica
United States542 Posts
On May 03 2012 02:50 TheFish7 wrote: You can go for weeks without food - thats not really an issue. lack of water, on the other hand, even in ideal circumstances (these were not) will almost certainly kill you within a week. The fact that he was experiencing kidney failure says to me that the guy was already in big trouble. Anyway, we are just throwing numbers around now. The point is that this guy was severely mistreated, and whatever his past crimes were doesn't really matter. The fact that he was on drugs says that he already needed help. Come on, people are not stupid. Having water enables you to fast for MONTHS. We were talking about no food no water specifically, and in most cases even a sick person would last a full week before going into coma. The effects of not eating/drinking proposed in this thread (going insane, eating rat's feces thinking it's candy) is pure idiocy, it is nothing like that. That's all we argue about. Who cares how long he could actually last before dieing? By the way, if some of you have ever done drugs, esp synthetic shit like meth or ecstasy, you should know how much of a stress it puts on your body. This moron basically severely injured himself in the most moronic manner. | ||
HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
On May 03 2012 03:12 HaXXspetten wrote: Whaddya mean "forgot" to let him out, what the hell is that supposed to mean? Sickening to say the least. Most probably one guy thought another guy would do it. The other guy thought the first guy would do it. Since they both assumed it had been done, it had been done. It's not a complicated concept. It's something that should be worked in to routine to be avoided. The same thing happened with the guy who shot himself inbetween questioning by the police with a pistol he had on him the entire time. The police officers all assumed he had already been frisked by someone else, at pretty much all points in time up to him shooting himself. Both situations (this one and the guy with the gun) are of course entirely unacceptable but unless you put in to the work routine ways to avoid it, it will happen from time to time. | ||
Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On May 03 2012 03:07 ecstatica wrote: Come on, people are not stupid. Having water enables you to fast for MONTHS. We were talking about no food no water specifically, and in most cases even a sick person would last a full week before going into coma. The effects of not eating/drinking proposed in this thread (going insane, eating rat's feces thinking it's candy) is pure idiocy, it is nothing like that. That's all we argue about. Who cares how long he could actually last before dieing? By the way, if some of you have ever done drugs, esp synthetic shit like meth or ecstasy, you should know how much of a stress it puts on your body. This moron basically severely injured himself in the most moronic manner. Your knowledge of fasting, biology, medicine, chemistry combined with your refined morals are astounding. | ||
Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
Also, I'm not sure about this, because I only read it in one place, but there was a statement about only being able to sue under the FTCA for things which an ordinary, non-government citizen would be liable for. For example, if somebody slips in a post office. However, for functions not performed by ordinary citizens, the government can claim sovereign immunity and not be sued. So, we know the FTCA is the controlling legislation as to lawsuit potential here. We know FTCA only allows suit for actual damages, if at all. So, this guy ain't gonna get rich. http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/suing-government-negligence-FTCA-29705.html | ||
Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
On May 03 2012 03:16 HellRoxYa wrote: Most probably one guy thought another guy would do it. The other guy thought the first guy would do it. Since they both assumed it had been done, it had been done. It's not a complicated concept. It's something that should be worked in to routine to be avoided. The same thing happened with the guy who shot himself inbetween questioning by the police with a pistol he had on him the entire time. The police officers all assumed he had already been frisked by someone else, at pretty much all points in time up to him shooting himself. Both situations (this one and the guy with the gun) are of course entirely unacceptable but unless you put in to the work routine ways to avoid it, it will happen from time to time. Yes, it is a simple concept but that's their job... they were not doing it right in both instances. A few more days and their negligence to do their routine responsibilities might have killed a student. Shitty buzz ![]() | ||
AngryMag
Germany1040 Posts
On May 03 2012 02:32 ecstatica wrote: Make sure you research everything you're about to post in the future, you don't seem to be one of the people that have it easy. People can perfectly survive without water for 7-10 days on average, that's of course if they are not dehydrating themselves by drinking own urine and eating meth off the floor. If you somehow think that 5 days with no food equals clinical insanity - please don't. I'd also like to find out when he took that meth specifically, it probably happened day 1 or 2 which makes all your arguments even sillier. If you don't think that people can go without food and water for 7 days - educate yourself. There's really not much to add here. Your ability to decide whether I'm an idiot or not is severely lacking since you're beyond ignorant. I am sorry, but no the average adult cannot survive without water for seven days. Life expectancy for the average adult without drinking water lies between 3 and 5 days depending on various circumstances (temperature, humidity, metabolism etc). In deserts you will (probably) not even make one day, people often died from dehydration within a few hours in deserts. And yes without water you start to suffer from symptoms which are also linked to clinical insanity for example hallucinations (among others). And no you do not dehydrate via drinking your own urin, the opposite is the case (in the first days without water, before you get "dry"). | ||
cmen15
United States1519 Posts
On May 03 2012 02:42 hanlonbro wrote: I wish they'd bring back things like Electric Chair, Gas Chaimber, Guillotine etc in the U.S. I'd say this kid didn't get enough punishment. He really deserves the death sentence. LOLOL such amazing insight, I can tell you are all over this... But really I find it pretty hard to believe that someone can get forgotten like this. I guess there's always room for a first. Someone is going to be looking for a new job pretty soon. | ||
Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
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NagAfightinG
United Kingdom270 Posts
On May 02 2012 22:41 Acritter wrote: Imagine. You are a guard at that jail. You find a FUCKING CORPSE in your cell, that appears to have died of dehydration. What do you do? Do you 'fess up? "Hey, guys, sorry, but we let this guy die." Hell no. You dispose of the body, and fuss with the records so that it looks like he just "disappeared". This isn't an action movie bro. it doesn't work like that lol | ||
JKM
Denmark419 Posts
Sure he went through a traumatic experience and might not have been directly involved in the drugs (whether he is criminal or not should not rly influence his case anyway), but still this is only 5 days + hospitalization for kidney failure afterwards. I'd be happy to walk away with 20.000 USD from that ordeal - assuming the liver failure was fixed before permanent damage (ie. transplantation or life-long dialysis treatment). 20.000 would more than cover lost work, school and other stuff. Giving million of dollars should only occur in very rare instances, where someone actually is hurt to a degree where he/she loses significant life quality and/or will accumulate large medical bills due to whatever happened. As other people stated, it's very hard to believe someone just gets forgotten, but I suppose the guy who moved him to this (remote?) cell took a weeks leave without telling anyone about the cell transfer :O.. | ||
ecstatica
United States542 Posts
On May 03 2012 03:28 AngryMag wrote: I am sorry, but no the average adult cannot survive without water for seven days. Life expectancy for the average adult without drinking water lies between 3 and 5 days depending on various circumstances (temperature, humidity, metabolism etc). In deserts you will (probably) not even make one day, people often died from dehydration within a few hours in deserts. And yes without water you start to suffer from symptoms which are also linked to clinical insanity for example hallucinations (among others). And no you do not dehydrate via drinking your own urin, the opposite is the case (in the first days without water, before you get "dry"). Don't be sorry for being ignorant, rather do something about it. Here's the first link off a simple google search. There's a table in it. You can guess the approximate temperature in a prison cell, shouldn't be 110F. http://www.survivaltopics.com/how-long-can-you-survive-without-water/ http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_salt_water_dehydrate_you | ||
Detri
United Kingdom683 Posts
On May 02 2012 23:39 BrTarolg wrote: Erm.. am i the only one who read this and thought "wtf..." No you aren't.... be careful though feeding trolls is dangerous. | ||
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