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hanlonbro
Profile Joined May 2012
108 Posts
May 02 2012 17:42 GMT
#161
I wish they'd bring back things like Electric Chair, Gas Chaimber, Guillotine etc in the U.S. I'd say this kid didn't get enough punishment. He really deserves the death sentence.

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Hypertension
Profile Joined April 2011
United States802 Posts
May 02 2012 17:47 GMT
#162
I like how everyone is assuming this kid will get millions of dollars. People spend decades in jail in the US for false reasons. People get raped in jail, people get beaten in jail, etc, etc. Millions of dollars are not awarded. This kid will be lucky to get a few thousand dollars. I doubt he will even get a lawyer willing to take this case.
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ecstatica
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States542 Posts
May 02 2012 17:47 GMT
#163
On May 03 2012 02:41 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 02:32 ecstatica wrote:
On May 02 2012 22:52 AngryMag wrote:
On May 02 2012 22:45 ecstatica wrote:
HAHAHAHA

So engineering student thought that meth was food? Maybe he ate his glasses for that same purpose as well?

It's horrible and all but how much of an idiot can someone be (if he was honest about it in his story)?


Well it is really not meant in an insulting way, but you come across as an idiot here.. After some days without water, your brain does not work properly anymore, so labelling someone without a proper functioning brain who commits seemingly stupid desperation acts an idiot, is not the smartest move from you.


Make sure you research everything you're about to post in the future, you don't seem to be one of the people that have it easy. People can perfectly survive without water for 7-10 days on average, that's of course if they are not dehydrating themselves by drinking own urine and eating meth off the floor. If you somehow think that 5 days with no food equals clinical insanity - please don't. I'd also like to find out when he took that meth specifically, it probably happened day 1 or 2 which makes all your arguments even sillier.

If you don't think that people can go without food and water for 7 days - educate yourself. There's really not much to add here. Your ability to decide whether I'm an idiot or not is severely lacking since you're beyond ignorant.

have you ever gone a few days without food? i went about two days without eating anything once while i was living with my brother in utah, and i have to say, it was probably the worst two days of my life. i was so fucking hungry by the time i actually got some pizza that i wanted to die. i almost cried the second day.

now, i'm not some uber-tough survivorman type that can just beast through any hardship, but i'm not exactly a wimp either. five days without food or water sounds like a living hell to me. 10 days without food or water and 75% chance that your ass is dead (maybe not but who the fuck actually wants to test that and prove me wrong?) even if you aren't dead, that shit would be so fucking terrible i can't even imagine how bad that would be or what i would be doing at the end of it.


Actually the feeling of hunger itself and food cravings subside day 3. So you've almost gotten there. Your mind is crystal clear throughout days 4 and 5, a lot of people claim never being this sharp before, seeing things in perspective etc. Read some diaries of ppl that fast, you'll find a lot of that. There's rarely any confusing at all, not even talking about doing outright insane stupid shit.

My father went 7 days with no food or water, I vividly remember that. He was obviously prepared for it and did it voluntarily, which makes a difference. But this isn't anything near impossible, you have no idea how many people tried it as a religious practice or fasting for health benefits.
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zachMEISTER
Profile Joined December 2010
United States625 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 17:54:15
May 02 2012 17:49 GMT
#164
I feel like the DEA is going to wiggle their way out of this because it's pure negligence. And a government agency shouldn't be responsible for negligence. </sarcasm> Also, did they not release/hold ANY detainees for 5 days? Sounds pretty fishy. We raid a drug-operation and lay off the police work for 5 days@

And to everyone saying "why didn't he scream?" Have you ever been in a holding cell? Ever been processed into jail? Yelling doesn't get you anywhere. And to unbeknownst officers on duty, the story "I'm innocent and waiting to go home" isn't going to fly. I'm sure he gave it his valiant effort before deciding it was pointless. I mean the kid WAS an engineering student, and obviously delved in psilocybin and amphetamines. He's not stupid. Infact, drinking his own piss kept him alive.

If everyone gets up in arms about this, I expect to start hearing more about Bradley Manning Or Julian Assange.
It's officially been over 500 days for Assange, without charge.
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TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
May 02 2012 17:50 GMT
#165
You can go for weeks without food - thats not really an issue.

lack of water, on the other hand, even in ideal circumstances (these were not) will almost certainly kill you within a week. The fact that he was experiencing kidney failure says to me that the guy was already in big trouble.

Anyway, we are just throwing numbers around now. The point is that this guy was severely mistreated, and whatever his past crimes were doesn't really matter. The fact that he was on drugs says that he already needed help.
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AllHailTheDead
Profile Joined July 2011
United States418 Posts
May 02 2012 17:57 GMT
#166
On May 03 2012 02:47 Hypertension wrote:
I like how everyone is assuming this kid will get millions of dollars. People spend decades in jail in the US for false reasons. People get raped in jail, people get beaten in jail, etc, etc. Millions of dollars are not awarded. This kid will be lucky to get a few thousand dollars. I doubt he will even get a lawyer willing to take this case.




Is this like a joke post?


really?

pretty sure he already got someone. Dont know why you would think that when in reality he probably has all kind of high profile lawyers throwing themselves at him just for a huge case like this
Aterons_toss
Profile Joined February 2011
Romania1275 Posts
May 02 2012 17:57 GMT
#167
He will proly sue them and get a shit load of money, enough to move in a better state or even to a more civilized country ... so i guess he wins after all, as long as he is smart enough to rent money for a lawyer.
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ecstatica
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States542 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 18:08:26
May 02 2012 18:07 GMT
#168
On May 03 2012 02:50 TheFish7 wrote:
You can go for weeks without food - thats not really an issue.

lack of water, on the other hand, even in ideal circumstances (these were not) will almost certainly kill you within a week. The fact that he was experiencing kidney failure says to me that the guy was already in big trouble.

Anyway, we are just throwing numbers around now. The point is that this guy was severely mistreated, and whatever his past crimes were doesn't really matter. The fact that he was on drugs says that he already needed help.


Come on, people are not stupid. Having water enables you to fast for MONTHS. We were talking about no food no water specifically, and in most cases even a sick person would last a full week before going into coma. The effects of not eating/drinking proposed in this thread (going insane, eating rat's feces thinking it's candy) is pure idiocy, it is nothing like that. That's all we argue about. Who cares how long he could actually last before dieing?

By the way, if some of you have ever done drugs, esp synthetic shit like meth or ecstasy, you should know how much of a stress it puts on your body. This moron basically severely injured himself in the most moronic manner.
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HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
May 02 2012 18:12 GMT
#169
Whaddya mean "forgot" to let him out, what the hell is that supposed to mean? Sickening to say the least.
HellRoxYa
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1614 Posts
May 02 2012 18:16 GMT
#170
On May 03 2012 03:12 HaXXspetten wrote:
Whaddya mean "forgot" to let him out, what the hell is that supposed to mean? Sickening to say the least.


Most probably one guy thought another guy would do it. The other guy thought the first guy would do it. Since they both assumed it had been done, it had been done. It's not a complicated concept. It's something that should be worked in to routine to be avoided. The same thing happened with the guy who shot himself inbetween questioning by the police with a pistol he had on him the entire time. The police officers all assumed he had already been frisked by someone else, at pretty much all points in time up to him shooting himself. Both situations (this one and the guy with the gun) are of course entirely unacceptable but unless you put in to the work routine ways to avoid it, it will happen from time to time.
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
May 02 2012 18:24 GMT
#171
On May 03 2012 03:07 ecstatica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 02:50 TheFish7 wrote:
You can go for weeks without food - thats not really an issue.

lack of water, on the other hand, even in ideal circumstances (these were not) will almost certainly kill you within a week. The fact that he was experiencing kidney failure says to me that the guy was already in big trouble.

Anyway, we are just throwing numbers around now. The point is that this guy was severely mistreated, and whatever his past crimes were doesn't really matter. The fact that he was on drugs says that he already needed help.


Come on, people are not stupid. Having water enables you to fast for MONTHS. We were talking about no food no water specifically, and in most cases even a sick person would last a full week before going into coma. The effects of not eating/drinking proposed in this thread (going insane, eating rat's feces thinking it's candy) is pure idiocy, it is nothing like that. That's all we argue about. Who cares how long he could actually last before dieing?

By the way, if some of you have ever done drugs, esp synthetic shit like meth or ecstasy, you should know how much of a stress it puts on your body. This moron basically severely injured himself in the most moronic manner.


Your knowledge of fasting, biology, medicine, chemistry combined with your refined morals are astounding.
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Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
May 02 2012 18:26 GMT
#172
Federal Tort Claims Act. This is the law that offers the ONLY opportunity for this guy to sue the government. As part of this, punitive damages ($10 million) do not fly. It looks like he can sue for actual damages, such as loss of life and property loss, neither of which apply here. I'm not sure what kind of health he's in now, but if he's fully recovered, he's not gonna get much. Whatever amount he does get, it will basically cover medical bills for whatever conditions he has developed.

Also, I'm not sure about this, because I only read it in one place, but there was a statement about only being able to sue under the FTCA for things which an ordinary, non-government citizen would be liable for. For example, if somebody slips in a post office. However, for functions not performed by ordinary citizens, the government can claim sovereign immunity and not be sued.

So, we know the FTCA is the controlling legislation as to lawsuit potential here. We know FTCA only allows suit for actual damages, if at all. So, this guy ain't gonna get rich.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/suing-government-negligence-FTCA-29705.html
Utinni
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1196 Posts
May 02 2012 18:27 GMT
#173
On May 03 2012 03:16 HellRoxYa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 03:12 HaXXspetten wrote:
Whaddya mean "forgot" to let him out, what the hell is that supposed to mean? Sickening to say the least.


Most probably one guy thought another guy would do it. The other guy thought the first guy would do it. Since they both assumed it had been done, it had been done. It's not a complicated concept. It's something that should be worked in to routine to be avoided. The same thing happened with the guy who shot himself inbetween questioning by the police with a pistol he had on him the entire time. The police officers all assumed he had already been frisked by someone else, at pretty much all points in time up to him shooting himself. Both situations (this one and the guy with the gun) are of course entirely unacceptable but unless you put in to the work routine ways to avoid it, it will happen from time to time.

Yes, it is a simple concept but that's their job... they were not doing it right in both instances. A few more days and their negligence to do their routine responsibilities might have killed a student. Shitty buzz
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AngryMag
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1040 Posts
May 02 2012 18:28 GMT
#174
On May 03 2012 02:32 ecstatica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 22:52 AngryMag wrote:
On May 02 2012 22:45 ecstatica wrote:
HAHAHAHA

So engineering student thought that meth was food? Maybe he ate his glasses for that same purpose as well?

It's horrible and all but how much of an idiot can someone be (if he was honest about it in his story)?


Well it is really not meant in an insulting way, but you come across as an idiot here.. After some days without water, your brain does not work properly anymore, so labelling someone without a proper functioning brain who commits seemingly stupid desperation acts an idiot, is not the smartest move from you.


Make sure you research everything you're about to post in the future, you don't seem to be one of the people that have it easy. People can perfectly survive without water for 7-10 days on average, that's of course if they are not dehydrating themselves by drinking own urine and eating meth off the floor. If you somehow think that 5 days with no food equals clinical insanity - please don't. I'd also like to find out when he took that meth specifically, it probably happened day 1 or 2 which makes all your arguments even sillier.

If you don't think that people can go without food and water for 7 days - educate yourself. There's really not much to add here. Your ability to decide whether I'm an idiot or not is severely lacking since you're beyond ignorant.


I am sorry, but no the average adult cannot survive without water for seven days. Life expectancy for the average adult without drinking water lies between 3 and 5 days depending on various circumstances (temperature, humidity, metabolism etc).

In deserts you will (probably) not even make one day, people often died from dehydration within a few hours in deserts. And yes without water you start to suffer from symptoms which are also linked to clinical insanity for example hallucinations (among others).

And no you do not dehydrate via drinking your own urin, the opposite is the case (in the first days without water, before you get "dry").
cmen15
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1519 Posts
May 02 2012 18:30 GMT
#175
On May 03 2012 02:42 hanlonbro wrote:
I wish they'd bring back things like Electric Chair, Gas Chaimber, Guillotine etc in the U.S. I'd say this kid didn't get enough punishment. He really deserves the death sentence.

LOLOL such amazing insight, I can tell you are all over this... But really I find it pretty hard to believe that someone can get forgotten like this. I guess there's always room for a first. Someone is going to be looking for a new job pretty soon.
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Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
May 02 2012 18:33 GMT
#176
and this is why accounting/book keeping is important. I'm honestly shocked they don't have at least some kind of database to keep track of individuals being held.
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NagAfightinG
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom270 Posts
May 02 2012 18:33 GMT
#177
On May 02 2012 22:41 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 21:16 HellRoxYa wrote:
On May 02 2012 21:14 ddinoboy wrote:
now, imagine if he had died. we would have never known.


Really? How do you figure that?

Imagine. You are a guard at that jail. You find a FUCKING CORPSE in your cell, that appears to have died of dehydration. What do you do? Do you 'fess up? "Hey, guys, sorry, but we let this guy die." Hell no. You dispose of the body, and fuss with the records so that it looks like he just "disappeared".

This isn't an action movie bro. it doesn't work like that lol
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JKM
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark419 Posts
May 02 2012 18:41 GMT
#178
It's amazingly funny to read that some people find suing for millions fit in this case.
Sure he went through a traumatic experience and might not have been directly involved in the drugs (whether he is criminal or not should not rly influence his case anyway), but still this is only 5 days + hospitalization for kidney failure afterwards. I'd be happy to walk away with 20.000 USD from that ordeal - assuming the liver failure was fixed before permanent damage (ie. transplantation or life-long dialysis treatment). 20.000 would more than cover lost work, school and other stuff. Giving million of dollars should only occur in very rare instances, where someone actually is hurt to a degree where he/she loses significant life quality and/or will accumulate large medical bills due to whatever happened.


As other people stated, it's very hard to believe someone just gets forgotten, but I suppose the guy who moved him to this (remote?) cell took a weeks leave without telling anyone about the cell transfer :O..
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ecstatica
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States542 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 18:53:05
May 02 2012 18:44 GMT
#179
On May 03 2012 03:28 AngryMag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 02:32 ecstatica wrote:
On May 02 2012 22:52 AngryMag wrote:
On May 02 2012 22:45 ecstatica wrote:
HAHAHAHA

So engineering student thought that meth was food? Maybe he ate his glasses for that same purpose as well?

It's horrible and all but how much of an idiot can someone be (if he was honest about it in his story)?


Well it is really not meant in an insulting way, but you come across as an idiot here.. After some days without water, your brain does not work properly anymore, so labelling someone without a proper functioning brain who commits seemingly stupid desperation acts an idiot, is not the smartest move from you.


Make sure you research everything you're about to post in the future, you don't seem to be one of the people that have it easy. People can perfectly survive without water for 7-10 days on average, that's of course if they are not dehydrating themselves by drinking own urine and eating meth off the floor. If you somehow think that 5 days with no food equals clinical insanity - please don't. I'd also like to find out when he took that meth specifically, it probably happened day 1 or 2 which makes all your arguments even sillier.

If you don't think that people can go without food and water for 7 days - educate yourself. There's really not much to add here. Your ability to decide whether I'm an idiot or not is severely lacking since you're beyond ignorant.


I am sorry, but no the average adult cannot survive without water for seven days. Life expectancy for the average adult without drinking water lies between 3 and 5 days depending on various circumstances (temperature, humidity, metabolism etc).

In deserts you will (probably) not even make one day, people often died from dehydration within a few hours in deserts. And yes without water you start to suffer from symptoms which are also linked to clinical insanity for example hallucinations (among others).

And no you do not dehydrate via drinking your own urin, the opposite is the case (in the first days without water, before you get "dry").


Don't be sorry for being ignorant, rather do something about it.

Here's the first link off a simple google search. There's a table in it. You can guess the approximate temperature in a prison cell, shouldn't be 110F.

http://www.survivaltopics.com/how-long-can-you-survive-without-water/

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_salt_water_dehydrate_you
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Detri
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom683 Posts
May 02 2012 18:54 GMT
#180
On May 02 2012 23:39 BrTarolg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 22:46 treekiller wrote:
A simple mistake. These things happen.. Ive put my dog in a cage for about 5 days and forgot about him. He died though. tt.


Erm.. am i the only one who read this and thought "wtf..."


No you aren't.... be careful though feeding trolls is dangerous.
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