you should write the admin the open the thread and merge the others ones into it i think we could all have alot of fun with that.
These thread are nice or whatever but the creator of the threads is rarely active dont have the time or energy to structure it, I mss my trolls get the admins to open it up so we have somewhere to hang toasted .
Need you guys to keep me honest make me harder find inconsistences attack everything i say from every angle you can find this is good. Because at the end of the day im trying to convince people like you guys.
On a less serious note, the part made bold above worries me slightly...
In addition, I'd like to add that at, in my opinion, at some point it will come about that some person(/s) will have more resources, or a more important or sought after resource than other people. When this point comes about (it will happen very fast, and this is assuming that: the change to this new technocracy could actually be manageable as an instant transition), human nature, which noone yet has found a way to change on a mass individual level will lead to problems. These problems could include; greed leading to stockpiling; greed leading to the demand for an unfair trade (in terms of true value in the technocracy) for the good that they have an overabundance of... etc.
As an adjunct to the above, i'd like to state that I think it's more important for idealist futurists such as Jacques to present how they are going to achieve their aims more prominently than what their aims actually are. If they just spout what people want to hear about a better society 'because it could happen, and we don't know without trying it' (as some people have said in this thread) then I do not trust them. Luckily, I'm open minded and waiting for the day when they will actually provide some tangible evidence for their ideas coming to fruition out of the current society - the out of part being crucial (NOT over).
On a less serious note, the part made bold above worries me slightly...
Its about solving problems isent it? and if people conceive something as a problem with this direction it matters little if they are right or not. Because it is a problem if they conceive something as wrong that is not.
And if they are right in what they say that is useful information that needs to acknowledge for maximun efficiency.
Either way please open my thread i want my peeps back.
Go to the search function and write in Resource based economy and see how many threads that pop up. The admins rather have several seperate threads talking about a RBE through diffrent organizations who are all working towards a RBE.
Isent it just better to put up a Resource based economy thread up that can have all the diffrent organizations represented? and if not i dont see why closing the Resource based economy thread that is actually the most accurate and important one gets shut down.
From what i can tell the admin/s got emotional and made an error based on the fact that there were alot of people "hmpfing" to get it closed when i was just trying to structure represent and conserve space in the threads.
How is it more efficient for me to make a long as comment like that and include all sources and information about it in every single resource based economy thread out there? And having to repeat or link people to it constantly oh you dont know what i mean ? want sources ? go back to page hmm let me look 56 check out collum 3 from top to down.
And what is peoples natural reaction "stop plugging that shit all the time" Well what choice do i have a new person is wondering where to look what to see and i dont own the original comment to begin with.
This all started when i tried to make such a post in Freeworldcharter and i saw people spaming comments till we were almost at the next page took me an hour to build and add sources and one second later it would all be forgotten.
are the admins censoring me on purpose? Maybe not but the results is still the same. And even tho we have threads that touch on the subject they dont go as deep as i wanted to go where i bring enginers in the answer your questions.
If you can read a touch of frustration im sorry i just liked the way my thread started to look
On May 29 2012 03:25 Toasterbaked wrote: The supporters of the Venus project (and the whole RBE project in general) are more about what it can do rather than how it would work.
Plausibility is much more important than what it can do.
The Venus project assumes superabundance- then the system makes sense.
...except that assuming superabundance is ridiculous from the beginning.
Don't sugar coat it..the supporters are morons with no grounding in reality.
On May 29 2012 04:32 DeliCiousVP wrote:
you should write the admin the open the thread and merge the others ones into it i think we could all have alot of fun with that.
These thread are nice or whatever but the creator of the threads is rarely active dont have the time or energy to structure it, I mss my trolls get the admins to open it up so we have somewhere to hang toasted .
Need you guys to keep me honest make me harder find inconsistences attack everything i say from every angle you can find this is good. Because at the end of the day im trying to convince people like you guys.
Most of us aren't trolling you, we are just laughing at you. There is a huge difference. The reason hardly anyone is bothering to have an intelligent debate with you is because there is nothing intelligent to debate. The entire concept is infantile and naive and anyone who believes it has either deluded themselves to the point of tinfoil hat crazy and or are con artists trying to rope in other dopes who aren't bright enough to see this for what it is.
Come up with an intelligent debate that has grounding in real world application and accounts for the "human" factor and I will gladly debate. Continue posting pure hypothetical nonsense that has zero chance of ever happening outside a small compound filled with cult members and I will just continue to mock you. Currently the only person trolling is yourself, sorry if the truth hurts.
Most of us aren't trolling you, we are just laughing at you. There is a huge difference. The reason hardly anyone is bothering to have an intelligent debate with you is because there is nothing intelligent to debate. The entire concept is infantile and naive and anyone who believes it has either deluded themselves to the point of tinfoil hat crazy and or are con artists trying to rope in other dopes who aren't bright enough to see this for what it is.
Come up with an intelligent debate that has grounding in real world application and accounts for the "human" factor and I will gladly debate. Continue posting pure hypothetical nonsense that has zero chance of ever happening outside a small compound filled with cult members and I will just continue to mock you. Currently the only person trolling is yourself, sorry if the truth hurts.
I had a guy who multiaccounted and went into the thread only to make sure the admins banned me. His first post ever was trying to get me banned. Obviously the admins caughtt him eventualy but not before i managed to get two warnings.
And i dont mind people "trolling" or not "trolling".
Its just i never made a comment or statement urging anyone to get silenced by some authority figure no matter what they say, Irrelevant personal attacks? i eat it i eat it all.
And it made sense to me as the conversation moved away from The freeworldcharter into a more of a RBE discussion to move the conversation to that appropiate thread which is something we might have should have done 60 pages earlier.
where people could get active sources and i could start piling the data people are asking for i can go into my other forums and drag stuff from there and insert it answering every question more efficiently.
You know what happends is that you provide sources and information to one person then 2 pages later another one comes up and say well you still havent showed us how you would solve this and the circle repeats every 2-5 pages. You go to find it and you cant because you cant remember if it were 5 pages or 10 or 17 ago.
Most of us aren't trolling you, we are just laughing at you. There is a huge difference. The reason hardly anyone is bothering to have an intelligent debate with you is because there is nothing intelligent to debate. The entire concept is infantile and naive and anyone who believes it has either deluded themselves to the point of tinfoil hat crazy and or are con artists trying to rope in other dopes who aren't bright enough to see this for what it is.
Come up with an intelligent debate that has grounding in real world application and accounts for the "human" factor and I will gladly debate. Continue posting pure hypothetical nonsense that has zero chance of ever happening outside a small compound filled with cult members and I will just continue to mock you. Currently the only person trolling is yourself, sorry if the truth hurts.
I had a guy who multiaccounted and went into the thread only to make sure the admins banned me. His first post ever was trying to get me banned. Obviously the admins caughtt him eventualy but not before i managed to get two warnings.
And i dont mind people "trolling" or not "trolling".
Its just i never made a comment or statement urging anyone to get silenced by some authority figure no matter what they say, Irrelevant personal attacks? i eat it i eat it all.
And it made sense to me as the conversation moved away from The freeworldcharter into a more of a RBE discussion to move the conversation to that appropiate thread which is something we might have should have done 60 pages earlier.
where people could get active sources and i could start piling the data people are asking for i can go into my other forums and drag stuff from there and insert it answering every question more efficiently.
Don't worry, I have no need to multiaccount nor sugarcoat my opinions. While I think this entire thing is laughable, I don't see any reason you should be banned. I would like to state that I wanted the other thread locked for consolidation purposes.
On May 29 2012 08:23 DeliCiousVP wrote: You know what happends is that you provide sources and information to one person then 2 pages later another one comes up and say well you still havent showed us how you would solve this and the circle repeats every 2-5 pages. You go to find it and you cant because you cant remember if it were 5 pages or 10 or 17 ago.
First of all you never had any sources and you still don't. This has been explained to you (by others, not by me).
Secondly, concidering how much "debating" you're doing wouldn't it be prudent to keep all your "sources" on hand in a document or your favourites in your browser for easy access whenever someone asks for something? That's what I would do, if I was selling readymade propaganda packages like you are.
Lastly, your new thread didn't add anything new, nor did it consolidate anything. It didn't rehash any arguments, it didn't even explain what RBE entails. Seems like a real shitty OP for a thread on RBE then, doesn't it? But no matter, we have two other threads on the subject to keep me and everyone else entertained.
Skimmed OP, saw Zeitgeist references and immediately started to move on to next thread.
Pretty much this.
Unfortunately, the ideas presented in OP are still presented on a very immature and impractical level that they undermine the ideas they are built upon, rather than reinforcing them.
Skimmed OP, saw Zeitgeist references and immediately started to move on to next thread.
Pretty much this.
Unfortunately, the ideas presented in OP are still presented on a very immature and impractical level that they undermine the ideas they are built upon, rather than reinforcing them.
Here is the source guide for the 1st/2nd movie. I answer and provide proof for almost all questions. But what happeneds is they either get ignored because Yuck it has a Z in it so they wont gonna watch that. so they dont and ask the same question again and once that happends it dont matter what i show anything that dont agree with what they belive will be rejected.
TL mods never get emotional. They are gods.
Yeah you dont say TL is renowned for their harsh moderaters. as god is not very forgiving hehe .
On May 29 2012 08:00 DeliCiousVP wrote: Go to the search function and write in Resource based economy and see how many threads that pop up. The admins rather have several seperate threads talking about a RBE through diffrent organizations who are all working towards a RBE.
Isent it just better to put up a Resource based economy thread up that can have all the diffrent organizations represented? and if not i dont see why closing the Resource based economy thread that is actually the most accurate and important one gets shut down.
From what i can tell the admin/s got emotional and made an error based on the fact that there were alot of people "hmpfing" to get it closed when i was just trying to structure represent and conserve space in the threads.
How is it more efficient for me to make a long as comment like that and include all sources and information about it in every single resource based economy thread out there? And having to repeat or link people to it constantly oh you dont know what i mean ? want sources ? go back to page hmm let me look 56 check out collum 3 from top to down.
And what is peoples natural reaction "stop plugging that shit all the time" Well what choice do i have a new person is wondering where to look what to see and i dont own the original comment to begin with.
This all started when i tried to make such a post in Freeworldcharter and i saw people spaming comments till we were almost at the next page took me an hour to build and add sources and one second later it would all be forgotten.
are the admins censoring me on purpose? Maybe not but the results is still the same. And even tho we have threads that touch on the subject they dont go as deep as i wanted to go where i bring enginers in the answer your questions.
If you can read a touch of frustration im sorry i just liked the way my thread started to look
Here is the source guide for the 1st/2nd movie. I answer and provide proof for almost all questions. But what happeneds is they either get ignored because Yuck it has a Z in it so they wont gonna watch that. so they dont and ask the same question again and once that happends it dont matter what i show anything that dont agree with what they belive will be rejected.
While I'm at it, I find taking quotes from various sources (and often using them wholly out of context) to add an aura of legitimacy to your claims to be a ridicolous practice to say the least.
In any case these are sources to idiotic movies and not sources to back up your arguments. (Edit: If you want to use them as such you need to learn to be specific. Pick one area of sources, post those and make sure they say what you want them to say. You can't just link to whole movies and go "Well look, the answer's in there!". Not only has it not been in the movies you've linked it's also not a proper way to argue and it just shows that you lack understanding of whatever issue it is that you're trying to debate)
Naturally you can conviniently ignore all the criticism because you "have sources", right?
While I'm at it, I find taking quotes from various sources (and often using them wholly out of context) to add an aura of legitimacy to your claims to be a ridicolous practice to say the least.
First of you need to look at the sources and discriminate them before you can go on a tangeem about how everything is wrong and every source ever provided to you must be lies.
And when you come to the philisophical argument what is knowledge? then you have reached the last defence put up by your static identity you are one step away from it. Just stop shaking your head from left to right and try to see it from my perspective no matter how insane it seems to you.
Naturally you can conviniently ignore all the criticism because you "have sources", right?
While I'm at it, I find taking quotes from various sources (and often using them wholly out of context) to add an aura of legitimacy to your claims to be a ridicolous practice to say the least.
First of you need to look at the sources and discriminate them before you can go on a tangeem about how everything is wrong and every source ever provided to you must be lies.
And when you come to the philisophical argument what is knowledge? then you have reached the last defence put up by your static identity you are one step away from it. Just stop shaking your head from left to right and try to see it from my perspective no matter how insane it seems to you.
Your perspective is detached from reality.
And no, all your sources aren't lies. Some of them are spot on, some are misquoted or misinterpreted, and some are flat out wrong. Might want to read the link I gave you. I would never blindly dismiss something out of hand. Fortunately RBE is based on the assumption that resources are abundant, which they are not, which essentially stops RBE in its tracks (as has been explained to you by others, repeatedly, in a variety of ways). As the guide shows when it comes to Zeitgeist, there are a lot of misunderstandings about the economic system and a lot of erronous calculations, often based on these misunderstandings.
The really interesting thing is that you will do the very thing you just accused me of. You will out of hand dismiss the criticism and call it untrue because you already know you have the real truth (in fact you already have).
On April 20 2012 22:19 Dr.Lettuce wrote: I see this posted on my facebook quite a bit.
Jeesus christ, I truly hope people don't believe in this venus project.
This is the most unsustainable unrealistic economy I've ever seen. Look at the models they've created, how on earth is that a feasible way to live? It's incredibly inefficient. It absolutely cripples any sense of incentive to work above average or for personal reasons. I admire the idea of parts of a collectivized state, but this really isn't feasible.
Additionally, whilst the current system is under justified scrutiny, I find it laughable that anyone who believes in this system stumbles at this question. 'Can you tell me any problems under the venus project resource based economy that will occur?' Always draws a blank- because people that believe in this system do not understand economics. Period. I'm sorry to be that arrogant, but stuff like this pisses me off.
We should be spending more time/effort in to re-vamping the current system. Massive changes are needed, and focus and effort should be put there. Not theorycrafting pointless impossible economic models to follow.
Zeitgeist is just as stupid.
Come on people, tell me I'm a corporate blind puppet that listens to the mans propaganda. Yawn.
Your a corporate blind puppet that listens to the mans propaganda.
I watched the videos a bit (they are quite lengthy) and read up some on this topic and I have to say, it comes off a bit silly. Basically, from what I have seen it takes a principle of idealism, which is incredibly hard to realize in the world, and tries to apply it to all things.
I do no feel, like some, that we should accept and Ayn Rand-esque system modeled entirely after our baser instincts. It is, under very special circumstances, an important function of society to forsake individual interests in favor of a stronger collective well being. But this is far too extreme.
On April 20 2012 22:19 Dr.Lettuce wrote: I see this posted on my facebook quite a bit.
Jeesus christ, I truly hope people don't believe in this venus project.
This is the most unsustainable unrealistic economy I've ever seen. Look at the models they've created, how on earth is that a feasible way to live? It's incredibly inefficient. It absolutely cripples any sense of incentive to work above average or for personal reasons. I admire the idea of parts of a collectivized state, but this really isn't feasible.
Additionally, whilst the current system is under justified scrutiny, I find it laughable that anyone who believes in this system stumbles at this question. 'Can you tell me any problems under the venus project resource based economy that will occur?' Always draws a blank- because people that believe in this system do not understand economics. Period. I'm sorry to be that arrogant, but stuff like this pisses me off.
We should be spending more time/effort in to re-vamping the current system. Massive changes are needed, and focus and effort should be put there. Not theorycrafting pointless impossible economic models to follow.
Zeitgeist is just as stupid.
Come on people, tell me I'm a corporate blind puppet that listens to the mans propaganda. Yawn.
Your a corporate blind puppet that listens to the mans propaganda.
On May 29 2012 11:58 DeliCiousVP wrote: First of you need to look at the sources and discriminate them before you can go on a tangeem about how everything is wrong and every source ever provided to you must be lies.
And when you come to the philisophical argument what is knowledge? then you have reached the last defence put up by your static identity you are one step away from it. Just stop shaking your head from left to right and try to see it from my perspective no matter how insane it seems to you.
Maybe you should actually check out this guys sources before you "discriminate" them. He has over 100, some of them from reputable journals.
On May 29 2012 12:01 Zinnwaldite wrote: dammit,, thought this project would be full of naked women for some reason... >_>
First thing that popped into my mind when I saw the thread name
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