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DeliCiousVP
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden343 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-28 03:20:51
May 28 2012 01:38 GMT
#1
There are many forms of idealogies and forms of goverments, very many -isms one thing ithey have commen however is that they are all based on an idea a sort of a ultimate truth about human nature and they bicker about which ism is the best one for humanity. One thing they all share aswel is that they are all based in the monetary system where we use currency for obtaining goods/Services..

In a resource based economy however you do not use the monetary system, It gets rid of the middle hand allowing us the use our resources more efficiently and conservative providing for all people on the planet. Allowing technologies that were previously to monetary expensive to flourish with research basicly never going un/der-funded. At this point you might have alot of questions most of them will be answered bellow.

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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334953

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Meeting human needs/
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http://zeitnewsblog.blogspot.se/2011/03/meeting-human-needs-how-resource-based.html

Incentive/current state of automation
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Communication/Inventional evolution
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Satyrs(PM me for Satyr RBE aswel)
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Resource Based Economy Technologies

When it comes to cranking out goods/products efficiently we cant have hundreds of factories for hundres or thousands of diffrent stuff we need a technology that can create almost all products using 3D technology


This technology is revolutionary and can be adapted for so many things not only to create small products, But can be used to create houses and blocks in days, Our old way of construction is obsolete.

this can also be used(Theoreticly) to construct biological parts such as hearts and kidneys. And hopefuly we will reach a point and i dont doubt it where we wont have a need for creatur because we can grow/create our meat.

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A ted talk using 3D technology to create residential homes.


For transportation we want Vac-trains which is a form of maglev technology, Puting the train in a vaccum filled tube allows for super-sonic travel and speed up to 8000km/h teoreticly.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vactrain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maglev

We have people developing and testing this stuff in switzerland aswel the chinese are also trying out forms of vac-train technology. Obviously it is very monetary expensive but not as resource expensive.

Maglev video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aIwbrZ4knpg
Concept video for vactrain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Rx9EVTg95eM

Circular city design
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Concept art some outdated




Automated food production, and advanced hydroponics.

According to the Institute of Simplified Hydroponics, a group of impoverished children in India has developed a 20 square meter hydroponic garden that produces 730 kg/year(1). If these yields were scaled to a full acre, those yields could increase to ~147,000 kg/acre(2). Using orbitropism, increased CO2 concentrations in the air, and LED lighting, yields could theoretically increase to between ~800,000 to ~1,500,000 kg/acre(3). By adding fulvic acid and gibberellin, yields could increase further. Aeroponic variants have demonstrated an 80% increase in production on top of standard hydroponic yields. With these estimates, it is theoretically possible to produce between 1.8 to 3 million kg/acre(4) – between 180 to 300 times 2007 production, enough to feed a few thousand people every year – and with vertical farming, these yields could be increased linearly. If 4.2 billion acres(5) were required to produce 1.3 thousand kg of food for each living person in 2007, the amount of land used for agricultural means could be dramatically reduced to as little as 3.5 million acres without stacking crops(6), to 1.75 million acres using 2 stacks(6), to 700,000 acres using 5 stacks(6), to 350,000 acres using 10 stacks(6), etc. Using advanced aeroponic facilities and vertical farming, it is physically possible to feed an entire city of up to a million people using only 10 acres of land and 50 stacks(7) – if the population increases, simply add more vertical stacks.

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http://www.nass.usda.gov/Publications/Ag_Statistics/2009/chp04.pdf
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ezRcpPE6EGwJ:www.carbon.org/senegal/india1.doc&cd=4&hl=en
http://www.omegagarden.com/index.php?content_id=1521
http://homeharvest.com/carbondioxideenrichment.htm
http://www.greenhousecanada.com/content/view/1562/38/
http://www.hydroponics.com/howtoinfo/hydroponics articles/gold_fulvic.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibberellin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroponics#Aeroponics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_farming



Automated hydroponic lettuce aka "The sallad factory"

Concept art for vertical farming aka "Skyfarming"
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Poll: Do you support a Resource based economy

No (29)
 
56%

Yes (21)
 
40%

Not sure yet (2)
 
4%

52 total votes

Your vote: Do you support a Resource based economy

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Not sure yet


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HellRoxYa
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1614 Posts
May 28 2012 01:42 GMT
#2
Maybe you should explain what a Resource Based Economy is and why it's desireable?

Right now this thread is about technology. Interesting technology, but still.
DeliCiousVP
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden343 Posts
May 28 2012 01:44 GMT
#3
I will be adding and editing this for a while it will be a couple of days before its realy concisive.
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D u o
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada381 Posts
May 28 2012 01:54 GMT
#4
I remember designing my buildings like this in my draft class back in high school. Looks so much like what people are doing in minecraft. Lol. I think buildings like these will eventually replace a lot of what we have in the near future. I mean the human race is growing at an obscene rate I think it'll be a necessitation for humanity to eventually adopt architecture like these and innovative solutions to problems that will always arise when there are huge populations. In North america we're expanding outward but eventually that wont be feasible so things like this are innovative solutions. But i don't think that the western world needs this at the moment.
wot?
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
May 28 2012 02:09 GMT
#5
Oh god no!!! DeliCiousVP with his own thread?!?!

THE WORLD IS DOOMED! DOOMED I SAY!!!

[see Free World Charter thread and learn of the beauty that is DeliCiousVP's lunacy]
Dekoth
Profile Joined March 2010
United States527 Posts
May 28 2012 02:21 GMT
#6
Why did you start another thread to push this idealistic garbage that has zero credible real world application? It was fine in the other thread. We don't need another discussion about the same crap.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
May 28 2012 02:33 GMT
#7
How is it different from the other thread besides the new videos?
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DeliCiousVP
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden343 Posts
May 28 2012 02:35 GMT
#8
idealistic garbage that has zero credible real world application

Another well informed opinion, lets try and keep it a bit less emotional in this thread no need to spam this one into 75 pages in a few weeks.
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Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
May 28 2012 02:51 GMT
#9
I would support this significantly more if some actual experiments were done where a few hundred people lived like this for 6-12 months. Unfortunately, the people who would volunteer for such a project are not the kind of people I'm worried would screw it up in the real world. Still, I think that it would be an excellent way to raise attention and improve the technology: Nothing improves technology quite like the demands of reality.
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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-28 02:58:57
May 28 2012 02:53 GMT
#10
There's already another thread about this. Nearly every point brought up here by Delicious has been debunked on a massive scale. If you truly think such a thing like this currently possible, I highly suggest you take a basic course in economics, sceience, or intelligence.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334953
see for yourselves
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DeliCiousVP
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden343 Posts
May 28 2012 03:09 GMT
#11
There's already another thread about this. Nearly every point brought up here by Delicious has been debunked.

Like what?
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PineapplePizza
Profile Joined June 2010
United States749 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-28 03:16:38
May 28 2012 03:15 GMT
#12
By "Resource based economy" I'm assuming you mean "economy without money".

I'm not sure anybody could predict what the future could look like if people with crazy ideas were allowed to make things happen without being tied down by a budget. I don't think you could argue against having massive automated skyscraper farms that use modern techniques to feed thousands of impoverished people while taking up relatively little space...assuming nobody had to pay for it. If valued today, these massive automated skyscraper farms would probably cost a pretty penny, but definitely not too pricey for a corporate blob that pays their upper management millions for being terrible at their job, or for governments who eagerly dive into astronomical debt holes without a second thought.

The issue, though, is "How do we convince these crazy people to let our crazy people be crazy?" I don't know. I don't think anybody knows, but I'm sure this forum will tell you that you should have this thread deleted, because it's a dumb idea because my professor told me all we have to do to solve today's crisis is to go deeper into debt.

Does anybody's else's professor think otherwise?
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aebriol
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-28 03:20:31
May 28 2012 03:15 GMT
#13
I hope you know you are delusional, such idiocy ...

To clarify: you don't understand what money is.
liberal
Profile Joined November 2011
1116 Posts
May 28 2012 03:20 GMT
#14
Anyone who honestly believes that scarcity is obsolete should not be allowed to create their own threads. Sorry but I don't know how else to put this, to think we are beyond scarcity when people are still starving to death in the world...
Tortious_Tortoise
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States944 Posts
May 28 2012 03:22 GMT
#15
Among the many other problems and crises that a resource-based economy would bring, the lack of liquidity among common commodities used for trade is the most glaring and dangerous. Money brings stability to the marketplace. Without it, what becomes the common denominator for trade? Gold? Bread? Cars? While all of these commodities are valuable in their own ways, none of them is as efficient, as liquid, or as readily available as money.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43269 Posts
May 28 2012 03:23 GMT
#16
How do you deal with the fact "no currency" as ppl are greedy, always?
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
May 28 2012 03:26 GMT
#17
One thread on this is enough, thanks.
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