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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
either I or
Profile Joined September 2012
116 Posts
October 23 2012 02:40 GMT
#19621
Boring.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 23 2012 02:41 GMT
#19622
On October 23 2012 11:36 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 11:34 happyft wrote:
On October 23 2012 11:32 xDaunt wrote:
I think this debate was a tie. Both sides have some stuff that they point to in support of the proposition that they "won," but there definitely was no decisive win for either side. Yet, that this was a draw was clearly a victory for Romney.



What...

"This was a draw" => "This was clearly a victory for Romney"

Huh???


xDaunt insists Gallup is accurate.

I don't think that the current polls are reflective of where the election is going to be. Democrats are still bing oversampled in a lot of polls, reflecting turnouts closer to 2008 (or even more favorable to Obama) rather than 2010 turnouts, which this election will be much closer to. Even with those lopsided samples, the polls have clearly moved about 10 points towards Romney and are still moving in his direction. Long story short, I'm not pulling shit out of my ass when I say that Romney is going to win. There is a method to the madness.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 23 2012 02:41 GMT
#19623
The best part of the debate was the conspiracy "secret trade" part by Romney. Anyone else thought that was a bit far stretching?
liftlift > tsm
nevermindthebollocks
Profile Joined October 2012
United States116 Posts
October 23 2012 02:41 GMT
#19624
On October 23 2012 11:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
In trade went up to 60% for Obama

how does that work? If I bet 10 thousand dollars on obama how much do i get the day after the election?
Anarchy!
Splynn
Profile Joined September 2011
United States225 Posts
October 23 2012 02:41 GMT
#19625
What I generally got from the debate was:

Question

Romney: Well I'd do what Obama did, but better!

Obama: I've already done it better :/.

I feel like Obama wins the debate purely on that. If Romney is just going to do what Obama is doing, why are we supposed to switch gears into his candidacy? Incumbents win the overwhelming majority of elections in the US; you can't just echo the incumbent as the challenger and hope to win.
noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
October 23 2012 02:41 GMT
#19626
I would die of joy if someone directly mentioned apple
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 02:42:39
October 23 2012 02:42 GMT
#19627
On October 23 2012 11:41 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 11:36 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 23 2012 11:34 happyft wrote:
On October 23 2012 11:32 xDaunt wrote:
I think this debate was a tie. Both sides have some stuff that they point to in support of the proposition that they "won," but there definitely was no decisive win for either side. Yet, that this was a draw was clearly a victory for Romney.



What...

"This was a draw" => "This was clearly a victory for Romney"

Huh???


xDaunt insists Gallup is accurate.

I don't think that the current polls are reflective of where the election is going to be. Democrats are still bing oversampled in a lot of polls, reflecting turnouts closer to 2008 (or even more favorable to Obama) rather than 2010 turnouts, which this election will be much closer to. Even with those lopsided samples, the polls have clearly moved about 10 points towards Romney and are still moving in his direction. Long story short, I'm not pulling shit out of my ass when I say that Romney is going to win. There is a method to the madness.


You're smarter than to believe Dick Morris. Believe actual aggregators, be they RCP or 538, regarding how accurate the state polls have historically been as well as their methodology.
happyft
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States470 Posts
October 23 2012 02:42 GMT
#19628
On October 23 2012 11:41 Splynn wrote:
What I generally got from the debate was:

Question

Romney: Well I'd do what Obama did, but better!

Obama: I've already done it better :/.

I feel like Obama wins the debate purely on that. If Romney is just going to do what Obama is doing, why are we supposed to switch gears into his candidacy? Incumbents win the overwhelming majority of elections in the US; you can't just echo the incumbent as the challenger and hope to win.


Yeah, Obama's foreign policy is his strong suit and Romney's weak point ... not surprised how this debate went
CursedRich
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom737 Posts
October 23 2012 02:42 GMT
#19629
On October 23 2012 11:40 forgottendreams wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 11:39 CursedRich wrote:
I feel so lucky,safe and secure to live in a country that is an ally to the hope of the earth!!!!!!


You only get to be thankful when we allow you be to thankful, just ask Tony Blair.

No back talking the Hope of the Eart anymore ok?


LOL, yes master
Chill Winston......
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 02:43:50
October 23 2012 02:42 GMT
#19630
On October 23 2012 11:41 Splynn wrote:
What I generally got from the debate was:

Question

Romney: Well I'd do what Obama did, but better!

Obama: I've already done it better :/.

I feel like Obama wins the debate purely on that. If Romney is just going to do what Obama is doing, why are we supposed to switch gears into his candidacy? Incumbents win the overwhelming majority of elections in the US; you can't just echo the incumbent as the challenger and hope to win.

Hence, why it is stupid having an entire debate focused on foreign policy.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
ziggurat
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada847 Posts
October 23 2012 02:43 GMT
#19631
On October 23 2012 11:41 nevermindthebollocks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 11:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
In trade went up to 60% for Obama

how does that work? If I bet 10 thousand dollars on obama how much do i get the day after the election?

If it's at 60% exactly then you put down $6 and get back $10 if Obama wins. If Obama loses then you get nothing back.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 23 2012 02:44 GMT
#19632
On October 23 2012 11:42 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 11:41 xDaunt wrote:
On October 23 2012 11:36 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 23 2012 11:34 happyft wrote:
On October 23 2012 11:32 xDaunt wrote:
I think this debate was a tie. Both sides have some stuff that they point to in support of the proposition that they "won," but there definitely was no decisive win for either side. Yet, that this was a draw was clearly a victory for Romney.



What...

"This was a draw" => "This was clearly a victory for Romney"

Huh???


xDaunt insists Gallup is accurate.

I don't think that the current polls are reflective of where the election is going to be. Democrats are still bing oversampled in a lot of polls, reflecting turnouts closer to 2008 (or even more favorable to Obama) rather than 2010 turnouts, which this election will be much closer to. Even with those lopsided samples, the polls have clearly moved about 10 points towards Romney and are still moving in his direction. Long story short, I'm not pulling shit out of my ass when I say that Romney is going to win. There is a method to the madness.


You're smarter than to believe Dick Morris. Believe actual aggregators, be they RCP or 538, regarding how accurate the state polls have historically been as well as their methodology.

Well, we are going to find out who is right real soon.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 23 2012 02:44 GMT
#19633
On October 23 2012 11:44 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 11:42 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 23 2012 11:41 xDaunt wrote:
On October 23 2012 11:36 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 23 2012 11:34 happyft wrote:
On October 23 2012 11:32 xDaunt wrote:
I think this debate was a tie. Both sides have some stuff that they point to in support of the proposition that they "won," but there definitely was no decisive win for either side. Yet, that this was a draw was clearly a victory for Romney.



What...

"This was a draw" => "This was clearly a victory for Romney"

Huh???


xDaunt insists Gallup is accurate.

I don't think that the current polls are reflective of where the election is going to be. Democrats are still bing oversampled in a lot of polls, reflecting turnouts closer to 2008 (or even more favorable to Obama) rather than 2010 turnouts, which this election will be much closer to. Even with those lopsided samples, the polls have clearly moved about 10 points towards Romney and are still moving in his direction. Long story short, I'm not pulling shit out of my ass when I say that Romney is going to win. There is a method to the madness.


You're smarter than to believe Dick Morris. Believe actual aggregators, be they RCP or 538, regarding how accurate the state polls have historically been as well as their methodology.

Well, we are going to find out who is right real soon.


Yep. At least you don't believe that laughable B.S. about Obama winning only 10 states.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
October 23 2012 02:44 GMT
#19634
On October 23 2012 11:39 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 11:33 sc2superfan101 wrote:
I had some serious doubts about Bob Schieffer tonight, but holy hell that was actually pretty good. He was firm, but flexible. he kept them on topic, but also let them explore.

i'm exaggerating, but he actually was doing a decent job. for some reason I feel very giddy about tonight. Obama did well, Romney did well, America is probably fucked, but who cares? we're alive tonight and this is one fun fucking election.

Fun? FUN!?! This is war. You are supposed to view yourself as a group and hate everyone who isn't a part of that group. Reps vs. Dems, Minority vs. White, Rich vs. Poor, Women vs. Men, Us vs. Them. You are supposed to hate your fellow Americans for destroying the country. Don't you ever forget it.

Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 11:35 eshlow wrote:
On October 23 2012 11:24 acker wrote:
Where the hell is Ron Paul when you actually need him?


Def gonna vote for him

You can't. Don't bother trying, it won't be counted. But, you ever hear of Gary Johnson?


Can't vote for Ron Paul since he went the Repub national convention route?

Will look up Gary Johnson...
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
ey215
Profile Joined June 2010
United States546 Posts
October 23 2012 02:45 GMT
#19635
Castellanos calling Romney a "safe Republican".

I'm actually wondering if Romney wasn't actually debating the ghost of George W. Bush's presidency.
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
October 23 2012 02:45 GMT
#19636
On October 23 2012 11:42 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 11:41 xDaunt wrote:
On October 23 2012 11:36 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 23 2012 11:34 happyft wrote:
On October 23 2012 11:32 xDaunt wrote:
I think this debate was a tie. Both sides have some stuff that they point to in support of the proposition that they "won," but there definitely was no decisive win for either side. Yet, that this was a draw was clearly a victory for Romney.



What...

"This was a draw" => "This was clearly a victory for Romney"

Huh???


xDaunt insists Gallup is accurate.

I don't think that the current polls are reflective of where the election is going to be. Democrats are still bing oversampled in a lot of polls, reflecting turnouts closer to 2008 (or even more favorable to Obama) rather than 2010 turnouts, which this election will be much closer to. Even with those lopsided samples, the polls have clearly moved about 10 points towards Romney and are still moving in his direction. Long story short, I'm not pulling shit out of my ass when I say that Romney is going to win. There is a method to the madness.


You're smarter than to believe Dick Morris. Believe actual aggregators, be they RCP or 538, regarding how accurate the state polls have historically been as well as their methodology.

Additionally, 538 and RCP have both debunked the "oversampling" claims. Claimed party ID is not a demographic variable, it's a fluid attitude. And tea partiers are calling themselves "independent" these days...
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
October 23 2012 02:45 GMT
#19637
On October 23 2012 11:41 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 11:36 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 23 2012 11:34 happyft wrote:
On October 23 2012 11:32 xDaunt wrote:
I think this debate was a tie. Both sides have some stuff that they point to in support of the proposition that they "won," but there definitely was no decisive win for either side. Yet, that this was a draw was clearly a victory for Romney.



What...

"This was a draw" => "This was clearly a victory for Romney"

Huh???


xDaunt insists Gallup is accurate.

I don't think that the current polls are reflective of where the election is going to be. Democrats are still bing oversampled in a lot of polls, reflecting turnouts closer to 2008 (or even more favorable to Obama) rather than 2010 turnouts, which this election will be much closer to. Even with those lopsided samples, the polls have clearly moved about 10 points towards Romney and are still moving in his direction. Long story short, I'm not pulling shit out of my ass when I say that Romney is going to win. There is a method to the madness.


nate silver is still predicting a 40 point EC victory for obama with 67% certainty of victory.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 23 2012 02:49 GMT
#19638
Rachel Maddow going full lecture mode...
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Darknat
Profile Joined March 2011
United States122 Posts
October 23 2012 02:49 GMT
#19639
I wasn't listening to the debate however I had the TV on and every once and awhile glanced at the TV and I think it's a tie just based on their body language. And a tie is a win for Romney.
Swazi Spring
Profile Joined September 2012
United States415 Posts
October 23 2012 02:51 GMT
#19640
Pretty boring debate, Romney won, but it probably won't affect the polls too much.
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