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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

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Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
October 04 2012 02:16 GMT
#13021
Won't cut military but will cut PBS . . .
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 04 2012 02:16 GMT
#13022
On October 04 2012 11:14 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 11:11 xDaunt wrote:
Now that the healthcare debate has shifted away from the Medicare issue and is focusing on the guts of Obamacare vs Romneycare, Obama has the advantage.

7-2, Romney.

xDaunt, you don't realize that the average person does not listen to the points or arguments. They pay attention to the image and the sound of the debate. And Romney is coming across as sort of desperate while the president looks calm and collected. I agree the moderator's behavior is adding to this perception to some degree, but Romney is too hyper.

Sure, I'm just scoring the debate points right now. I'll definitely be considering image in my summary post after the debate.
BluePanther
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2776 Posts
October 04 2012 02:16 GMT
#13023
romney punted this question. gg
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
October 04 2012 02:16 GMT
#13024
by our creator!?!??! GOD ISN'T MENTIONED IN THE CONSTITUTION
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 04 2012 02:16 GMT
#13025
On October 04 2012 11:16 ey215 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 11:15 Ventris wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:14 ey215 wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:08 acker wrote:
So...what was Romney's plan for healthcare?



In place of Obamacare, Mitt will pursue policies that give each state the power to craft a health care reform plan that is best for its own citizens. The federal government’s role will be to help markets work by creating a level playing field for competition.

Restore State Leadership and Flexibility

Mitt will begin by returning states to their proper place in charge of regulating local insurance markets and caring for the poor, uninsured, and chronically ill. States will have both the incentive and the flexibility to experiment, learn from one another, and craft the approaches best suited to their own citizens.

Block grant Medicaid and other payments to states
Limit federal standards and requirements on both private insurance and Medicaid coverage
Ensure flexibility to help the uninsured, including public-private partnerships, exchanges, and subsidies
Ensure flexibility to help the chronically ill, including high-risk pools, reinsurance, and risk adjustment
Offer innovation grants to explore non-litigation alternatives to dispute resolution
Promote Free Markets and Fair Competition

Competition drives improvements in efficiency and effectiveness, offering consumers higher quality goods and services at lower cost. It can have the same effect in the health care system, if given the chance to work.

Cap non-economic damages in medical malpractice lawsuits
Empower individuals and small businesses to form purchasing pools
Prevent discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage
Facilitate IT interoperability
Empower Consumer Choice

For markets to work, consumers must have the information and the power to make decisions about their own care. Placing the patient at the center of the process will drive quality up and cost down while ensuring that services are designed to provide what Americans actually want.

End tax discrimination against the individual purchase of insurance
Allow consumers to purchase insurance across state lines
Unshackle HSAs by allowing funds to be used for insurance premiums
Promote "co-insurance" products
Promote alternatives to "fee for service"
Encourage "Consumer Reports"-type ratings of alternative insurance plans


Source

Yeah thats really...specific...


What do you want? An actual 3,000 page legislation? You're never going to get that from a candidate.
his plan is business as usual.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
October 04 2012 02:17 GMT
#13026
On October 04 2012 11:15 Ventris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 11:14 ey215 wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:08 acker wrote:
So...what was Romney's plan for healthcare?



In place of Obamacare, Mitt will pursue policies that give each state the power to craft a health care reform plan that is best for its own citizens. The federal government’s role will be to help markets work by creating a level playing field for competition.

Restore State Leadership and Flexibility

Mitt will begin by returning states to their proper place in charge of regulating local insurance markets and caring for the poor, uninsured, and chronically ill. States will have both the incentive and the flexibility to experiment, learn from one another, and craft the approaches best suited to their own citizens.

Block grant Medicaid and other payments to states
Limit federal standards and requirements on both private insurance and Medicaid coverage
Ensure flexibility to help the uninsured, including public-private partnerships, exchanges, and subsidies
Ensure flexibility to help the chronically ill, including high-risk pools, reinsurance, and risk adjustment
Offer innovation grants to explore non-litigation alternatives to dispute resolution
Promote Free Markets and Fair Competition

Competition drives improvements in efficiency and effectiveness, offering consumers higher quality goods and services at lower cost. It can have the same effect in the health care system, if given the chance to work.

Cap non-economic damages in medical malpractice lawsuits
Empower individuals and small businesses to form purchasing pools
Prevent discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage
Facilitate IT interoperability
Empower Consumer Choice

For markets to work, consumers must have the information and the power to make decisions about their own care. Placing the patient at the center of the process will drive quality up and cost down while ensuring that services are designed to provide what Americans actually want.

End tax discrimination against the individual purchase of insurance
Allow consumers to purchase insurance across state lines
Unshackle HSAs by allowing funds to be used for insurance premiums
Promote "co-insurance" products
Promote alternatives to "fee for service"
Encourage "Consumer Reports"-type ratings of alternative insurance plans


Source

Yeah thats really...specific...

how specific do you people want? be realistic here, even if you are biased. he's got two minutes with a Mod who doesn't like him and is all over Obama's junk, he doesn't have much time for specifics.
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
October 04 2012 02:17 GMT
#13027
The role of government question - Obama danced around it. Romney is answering it.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
October 04 2012 02:17 GMT
#13028
The people of the USA are all Christians apparently.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 04 2012 02:17 GMT
#13029
On October 04 2012 11:16 Slow Motion wrote:
Won't cut military but will cut PBS . . .

lots of old ladies watch pbs.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-04 02:18:05
October 04 2012 02:17 GMT
#13030
On October 04 2012 11:16 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Oh boy, the Declaration of Independence is being pumped out. Will he even mention the Constitution here? Anyone want to guess?


He's no Ron Paul, he probably doesn't even know what it says

GAHHH TRICKLE DOWN
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/trickledowntheory.asp
IS ABOUT GIVING COMPANIES/RICH MONEY AND HAVING THE MONEY TRICKLE DOWN

STOP SAYING TRICKLE DOWN SYSTEM GHEREHRHEARHAERHAE
FoTG fighting!
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
October 04 2012 02:17 GMT
#13031
i lol @ Romney bringing up "the principles of the Constitution"

the entire purpose of the Constitution was to greatly expand the power of the federal government
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 04 2012 02:17 GMT
#13032
TBh the rights of Americans were thrown out a long time ago.

Also expect an Ad of Romney saying he doesn't want more teachers, to tonight saying he never said he didn't want more teachers.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Ventris
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany1226 Posts
October 04 2012 02:17 GMT
#13033
WTF is this. Has this rant something to do with the question?
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
October 04 2012 02:17 GMT
#13034
ugh cant blv i thought today was a permutation of topics
2008 was fp first so i went psychotic.

▲ ▲ ▲
Rotodyne
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2263 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-04 02:18:43
October 04 2012 02:17 GMT
#13035
Religion talk makes me cringe, but Billybob Redneck loves that shit in mississippi
I can only play starcraft when I am shit canned. IPXZERG is a god.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
October 04 2012 02:18 GMT
#13036
On October 04 2012 11:16 ey215 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 11:15 Ventris wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:14 ey215 wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:08 acker wrote:
So...what was Romney's plan for healthcare?



In place of Obamacare, Mitt will pursue policies that give each state the power to craft a health care reform plan that is best for its own citizens. The federal government’s role will be to help markets work by creating a level playing field for competition.

Restore State Leadership and Flexibility

Mitt will begin by returning states to their proper place in charge of regulating local insurance markets and caring for the poor, uninsured, and chronically ill. States will have both the incentive and the flexibility to experiment, learn from one another, and craft the approaches best suited to their own citizens.

Block grant Medicaid and other payments to states
Limit federal standards and requirements on both private insurance and Medicaid coverage
Ensure flexibility to help the uninsured, including public-private partnerships, exchanges, and subsidies
Ensure flexibility to help the chronically ill, including high-risk pools, reinsurance, and risk adjustment
Offer innovation grants to explore non-litigation alternatives to dispute resolution
Promote Free Markets and Fair Competition

Competition drives improvements in efficiency and effectiveness, offering consumers higher quality goods and services at lower cost. It can have the same effect in the health care system, if given the chance to work.

Cap non-economic damages in medical malpractice lawsuits
Empower individuals and small businesses to form purchasing pools
Prevent discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage
Facilitate IT interoperability
Empower Consumer Choice

For markets to work, consumers must have the information and the power to make decisions about their own care. Placing the patient at the center of the process will drive quality up and cost down while ensuring that services are designed to provide what Americans actually want.

End tax discrimination against the individual purchase of insurance
Allow consumers to purchase insurance across state lines
Unshackle HSAs by allowing funds to be used for insurance premiums
Promote "co-insurance" products
Promote alternatives to "fee for service"
Encourage "Consumer Reports"-type ratings of alternative insurance plans


Source

Yeah thats really...specific...


What do you want? An actual 3,000 page legislation? You're never going to get that from a candidate.

How about a several page? Like let's say 20. If I was asked to do a term paper and I did less than 2 pages I wouldn't expect a good grade. I hold a presidential candidate to a larger standard than myself. So let's say.. as many pages as it would take to detail an actual plan instead of some wishful thinking and ideas.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Deathmanbob
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2356 Posts
October 04 2012 02:18 GMT
#13037
On October 04 2012 11:17 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 11:15 Ventris wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:14 ey215 wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:08 acker wrote:
So...what was Romney's plan for healthcare?



In place of Obamacare, Mitt will pursue policies that give each state the power to craft a health care reform plan that is best for its own citizens. The federal government’s role will be to help markets work by creating a level playing field for competition.

Restore State Leadership and Flexibility

Mitt will begin by returning states to their proper place in charge of regulating local insurance markets and caring for the poor, uninsured, and chronically ill. States will have both the incentive and the flexibility to experiment, learn from one another, and craft the approaches best suited to their own citizens.

Block grant Medicaid and other payments to states
Limit federal standards and requirements on both private insurance and Medicaid coverage
Ensure flexibility to help the uninsured, including public-private partnerships, exchanges, and subsidies
Ensure flexibility to help the chronically ill, including high-risk pools, reinsurance, and risk adjustment
Offer innovation grants to explore non-litigation alternatives to dispute resolution
Promote Free Markets and Fair Competition

Competition drives improvements in efficiency and effectiveness, offering consumers higher quality goods and services at lower cost. It can have the same effect in the health care system, if given the chance to work.

Cap non-economic damages in medical malpractice lawsuits
Empower individuals and small businesses to form purchasing pools
Prevent discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage
Facilitate IT interoperability
Empower Consumer Choice

For markets to work, consumers must have the information and the power to make decisions about their own care. Placing the patient at the center of the process will drive quality up and cost down while ensuring that services are designed to provide what Americans actually want.

End tax discrimination against the individual purchase of insurance
Allow consumers to purchase insurance across state lines
Unshackle HSAs by allowing funds to be used for insurance premiums
Promote "co-insurance" products
Promote alternatives to "fee for service"
Encourage "Consumer Reports"-type ratings of alternative insurance plans


Source

Yeah thats really...specific...

how specific do you people want? be realistic here, even if you are biased. he's got two minutes with a Mod who doesn't like him and is all over Obama's junk, he doesn't have much time for specifics.


He has had 18 months to let out a plan, if you go oh i dont have enough time in a 2 minute debate then you damn well better of done something before
No Artosis, you are robin
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 04 2012 02:18 GMT
#13038
Poor kids -.-
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
October 04 2012 02:19 GMT
#13039
This debate... leaves much to be desired. The one I'm looking forward to is foreign policy.
NPF
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-04 02:19:50
October 04 2012 02:19 GMT
#13040
On October 04 2012 11:17 acker wrote:
The people of the USA are all Christians apparently.


No but a good part of his base is.

edit: stereotypically
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