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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
Ventris
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany1226 Posts
October 04 2012 02:14 GMT
#13001
"Obamacare is a government takeover of health care? That was the 2010 Lie of the Year. "

Yeah, yeah Mitt
kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
October 04 2012 02:14 GMT
#13002
On October 04 2012 11:13 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 11:12 Taekwon wrote:
I really really

really really

really really

hope they get to foreign policy

nvm

i think it's all domestic tonight.


I'm so fucking pissed they spent so much time on healthcare and the economy.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
October 04 2012 02:14 GMT
#13003
I gotta get more beer for the next debate.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
MWY
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany284 Posts
October 04 2012 02:14 GMT
#13004
On October 04 2012 11:10 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 11:09 MWY wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:02 Deathmanbob wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:00 MWY wrote:
Why is Romney saying that Obamas points and numbers about his plans are completely wrong every single time?

Can't be true that Obama is this misinformed right?


Romney is lying, the best line from obama so far has been about this "Romneys big bold plan is nevermind"


So Romney really wants to cut taxes and reduce deficit? Or he doesnt want to cut taxes because it would add to the deficit.
Pretty different statements..

Anyways, Romney looks pretty good in this discussion.. I always fear Obama will run out of words when he's talking..


How is Romney looking pretty good? He's like a child arguing.

"I have to respond to that!"

Holy shit, shut the fuck up.


Haha. I meant talking-wise. He's talking with like much more confidence or much more confident about his points than Obama.
ey215
Profile Joined June 2010
United States546 Posts
October 04 2012 02:14 GMT
#13005
On October 04 2012 11:08 acker wrote:
So...what was Romney's plan for healthcare?



In place of Obamacare, Mitt will pursue policies that give each state the power to craft a health care reform plan that is best for its own citizens. The federal government’s role will be to help markets work by creating a level playing field for competition.

Restore State Leadership and Flexibility

Mitt will begin by returning states to their proper place in charge of regulating local insurance markets and caring for the poor, uninsured, and chronically ill. States will have both the incentive and the flexibility to experiment, learn from one another, and craft the approaches best suited to their own citizens.

Block grant Medicaid and other payments to states
Limit federal standards and requirements on both private insurance and Medicaid coverage
Ensure flexibility to help the uninsured, including public-private partnerships, exchanges, and subsidies
Ensure flexibility to help the chronically ill, including high-risk pools, reinsurance, and risk adjustment
Offer innovation grants to explore non-litigation alternatives to dispute resolution
Promote Free Markets and Fair Competition

Competition drives improvements in efficiency and effectiveness, offering consumers higher quality goods and services at lower cost. It can have the same effect in the health care system, if given the chance to work.

Cap non-economic damages in medical malpractice lawsuits
Empower individuals and small businesses to form purchasing pools
Prevent discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage
Facilitate IT interoperability
Empower Consumer Choice

For markets to work, consumers must have the information and the power to make decisions about their own care. Placing the patient at the center of the process will drive quality up and cost down while ensuring that services are designed to provide what Americans actually want.

End tax discrimination against the individual purchase of insurance
Allow consumers to purchase insurance across state lines
Unshackle HSAs by allowing funds to be used for insurance premiums
Promote "co-insurance" products
Promote alternatives to "fee for service"
Encourage "Consumer Reports"-type ratings of alternative insurance plans


Source
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
October 04 2012 02:14 GMT
#13006
On October 04 2012 11:13 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 11:12 Taekwon wrote:
I really really

really really

really really

hope they get to foreign policy

nvm

i think it's all domestic tonight.

Yeah this is the domestics night, half off. Imports is later.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Nanikure
Profile Joined August 2010
United States53 Posts
October 04 2012 02:14 GMT
#13007
Mitt Romney #1 Mod Interrupter NA

I don't think he understands that he isn't supposed to get the last word in every single fucking segment. Like a child he is.
"I hate everyone and everything seems stupid to me."
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
October 04 2012 02:14 GMT
#13008
On October 04 2012 11:11 xDaunt wrote:
Now that the healthcare debate has shifted away from the Medicare issue and is focusing on the guts of Obamacare vs Romneycare, Obama has the advantage.

7-2, Romney.

xDaunt, you don't realize that the average person does not listen to the points or arguments. They pay attention to the image and the sound of the debate. And Romney is coming across as sort of desperate while the president looks calm and collected. I agree the moderator's behavior is adding to this perception to some degree, but Romney is too hyper.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
October 04 2012 02:14 GMT
#13009
On October 04 2012 11:12 Enki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 11:08 Taekwon wrote:
"I used to consult with businesses- excuse me, hospitals"

Freudian slip at its best


One and the same here. I don't even get why they are debating about healthcare. Nationalize it like every other fucking civilized country. There is no debate. Anything is better then this shitcrock of a system we have now.

............. then why are we debating it? why is the country split 50-50 on it?
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
Rotodyne
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2263 Posts
October 04 2012 02:14 GMT
#13010
On October 04 2012 11:14 BluePanther wrote:
romney smirking at this one. he better destroy obama on this question.


He's been smirking the entire time o.o
I can only play starcraft when I am shit canned. IPXZERG is a god.
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
October 04 2012 02:14 GMT
#13011
On October 04 2012 11:13 Schvitzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 11:11 Taekwon wrote:
romney is doing everything he needs to win.

from the beginning his goal was to eliminate need for specifics by allaying fears during his intro.
he can now focus on the negatives - well constructed, practiced excerpts that exploit the inability of layman to fully analyze what he is avoiding

if only the american public was educated well...

sigh


Romney is the one throwing out the facts and challenging Obama at things he has said in this debate.

Obama is only repeating things his campaign has already said.


i don't know what debate you're watching, please show me
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Deathmanbob
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2356 Posts
October 04 2012 02:15 GMT
#13012
On October 04 2012 11:14 BluePanther wrote:
romney smirking at this one. he better destroy obama on this question.



you know he has something in store, if im obama i dont mention the 47% line because you KNOW romney has a come back
No Artosis, you are robin
Ventris
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany1226 Posts
October 04 2012 02:15 GMT
#13013
On October 04 2012 11:14 ey215 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 11:08 acker wrote:
So...what was Romney's plan for healthcare?



Show nested quote +
In place of Obamacare, Mitt will pursue policies that give each state the power to craft a health care reform plan that is best for its own citizens. The federal government’s role will be to help markets work by creating a level playing field for competition.

Restore State Leadership and Flexibility

Mitt will begin by returning states to their proper place in charge of regulating local insurance markets and caring for the poor, uninsured, and chronically ill. States will have both the incentive and the flexibility to experiment, learn from one another, and craft the approaches best suited to their own citizens.

Block grant Medicaid and other payments to states
Limit federal standards and requirements on both private insurance and Medicaid coverage
Ensure flexibility to help the uninsured, including public-private partnerships, exchanges, and subsidies
Ensure flexibility to help the chronically ill, including high-risk pools, reinsurance, and risk adjustment
Offer innovation grants to explore non-litigation alternatives to dispute resolution
Promote Free Markets and Fair Competition

Competition drives improvements in efficiency and effectiveness, offering consumers higher quality goods and services at lower cost. It can have the same effect in the health care system, if given the chance to work.

Cap non-economic damages in medical malpractice lawsuits
Empower individuals and small businesses to form purchasing pools
Prevent discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage
Facilitate IT interoperability
Empower Consumer Choice

For markets to work, consumers must have the information and the power to make decisions about their own care. Placing the patient at the center of the process will drive quality up and cost down while ensuring that services are designed to provide what Americans actually want.

End tax discrimination against the individual purchase of insurance
Allow consumers to purchase insurance across state lines
Unshackle HSAs by allowing funds to be used for insurance premiums
Promote "co-insurance" products
Promote alternatives to "fee for service"
Encourage "Consumer Reports"-type ratings of alternative insurance plans


Source

Yeah thats really...specific...
ey215
Profile Joined June 2010
United States546 Posts
October 04 2012 02:15 GMT
#13014
On October 04 2012 11:12 Taekwon wrote:
I really really

really really

really really

hope they get to foreign policy

nvm forgot topic specific


Third debate is all foreign policy. I think it's on the 22nd.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 04 2012 02:15 GMT
#13015
On October 04 2012 11:13 Schvitzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 11:11 Taekwon wrote:
romney is doing everything he needs to win.

from the beginning his goal was to eliminate need for specifics by allaying fears during his intro.
he can now focus on the negatives - well constructed, practiced excerpts that exploit the inability of layman to fully analyze what he is avoiding

if only the american public was educated well...

sigh


Romney is the one throwing out the facts and challenging Obama at things he has said in this debate.

Obama is only repeating things his campaign has already said.



There is literally no way for Obama to throw out facts against what Romney has said because every time he has Romney has said "oh, that's not what I'm doing now."
ey215
Profile Joined June 2010
United States546 Posts
October 04 2012 02:16 GMT
#13016
On October 04 2012 11:15 Ventris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 11:14 ey215 wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:08 acker wrote:
So...what was Romney's plan for healthcare?



In place of Obamacare, Mitt will pursue policies that give each state the power to craft a health care reform plan that is best for its own citizens. The federal government’s role will be to help markets work by creating a level playing field for competition.

Restore State Leadership and Flexibility

Mitt will begin by returning states to their proper place in charge of regulating local insurance markets and caring for the poor, uninsured, and chronically ill. States will have both the incentive and the flexibility to experiment, learn from one another, and craft the approaches best suited to their own citizens.

Block grant Medicaid and other payments to states
Limit federal standards and requirements on both private insurance and Medicaid coverage
Ensure flexibility to help the uninsured, including public-private partnerships, exchanges, and subsidies
Ensure flexibility to help the chronically ill, including high-risk pools, reinsurance, and risk adjustment
Offer innovation grants to explore non-litigation alternatives to dispute resolution
Promote Free Markets and Fair Competition

Competition drives improvements in efficiency and effectiveness, offering consumers higher quality goods and services at lower cost. It can have the same effect in the health care system, if given the chance to work.

Cap non-economic damages in medical malpractice lawsuits
Empower individuals and small businesses to form purchasing pools
Prevent discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage
Facilitate IT interoperability
Empower Consumer Choice

For markets to work, consumers must have the information and the power to make decisions about their own care. Placing the patient at the center of the process will drive quality up and cost down while ensuring that services are designed to provide what Americans actually want.

End tax discrimination against the individual purchase of insurance
Allow consumers to purchase insurance across state lines
Unshackle HSAs by allowing funds to be used for insurance premiums
Promote "co-insurance" products
Promote alternatives to "fee for service"
Encourage "Consumer Reports"-type ratings of alternative insurance plans


Source

Yeah thats really...specific...


What do you want? An actual 3,000 page legislation? You're never going to get that from a candidate.
TotalBalanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada475 Posts
October 04 2012 02:16 GMT
#13017
On October 04 2012 11:14 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 11:12 Enki wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:08 Taekwon wrote:
"I used to consult with businesses- excuse me, hospitals"

Freudian slip at its best


One and the same here. I don't even get why they are debating about healthcare. Nationalize it like every other fucking civilized country. There is no debate. Anything is better then this shitcrock of a system we have now.

............. then why are we debating it? why is the country split 50-50 on it?


Look how many people want creationism in school. lots of agreement does not mean a good idea.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
October 04 2012 02:16 GMT
#13018
Liberty is apparently an afterthought.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
October 04 2012 02:16 GMT
#13019
On October 04 2012 11:15 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 11:13 Schvitzer wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:11 Taekwon wrote:
romney is doing everything he needs to win.

from the beginning his goal was to eliminate need for specifics by allaying fears during his intro.
he can now focus on the negatives - well constructed, practiced excerpts that exploit the inability of layman to fully analyze what he is avoiding

if only the american public was educated well...

sigh


Romney is the one throwing out the facts and challenging Obama at things he has said in this debate.

Obama is only repeating things his campaign has already said.



There is literally no way for Obama to throw out facts against what Romney has said because every time he has Romney has said "oh, that's not what I'm doing now."

I would say Obama used many facts to counter Romneys plans and positions.. and then Romney clarified that "THAT was LAST WEEK the plan is DIFFERENT today."
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 04 2012 02:16 GMT
#13020
Oh boy, the Declaration of Independence is being pumped out. Will he even mention the Constitution here? Anyone want to guess?
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