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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
October 04 2012 02:19 GMT
#13041
On October 04 2012 11:14 Nanikure wrote:
Mitt Romney #1 Mod Interrupter NA

I don't think he understands that he isn't supposed to get the last word in every single fucking segment. Like a child he is.

That's the thing that's getting him offside with the mod. He wants the last word on everything and doesn't get that he's not entitled to it.
HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
October 04 2012 02:19 GMT
#13042
"Poor kids"

Ouch.
Out there, the Kid learned to fend for himself. Learned to build. Learned to break.
Ventris
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany1226 Posts
October 04 2012 02:19 GMT
#13043
On October 04 2012 11:18 Probe1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 11:16 ey215 wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:15 Ventris wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:14 ey215 wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:08 acker wrote:
So...what was Romney's plan for healthcare?



In place of Obamacare, Mitt will pursue policies that give each state the power to craft a health care reform plan that is best for its own citizens. The federal government’s role will be to help markets work by creating a level playing field for competition.

Restore State Leadership and Flexibility

Mitt will begin by returning states to their proper place in charge of regulating local insurance markets and caring for the poor, uninsured, and chronically ill. States will have both the incentive and the flexibility to experiment, learn from one another, and craft the approaches best suited to their own citizens.

Block grant Medicaid and other payments to states
Limit federal standards and requirements on both private insurance and Medicaid coverage
Ensure flexibility to help the uninsured, including public-private partnerships, exchanges, and subsidies
Ensure flexibility to help the chronically ill, including high-risk pools, reinsurance, and risk adjustment
Offer innovation grants to explore non-litigation alternatives to dispute resolution
Promote Free Markets and Fair Competition

Competition drives improvements in efficiency and effectiveness, offering consumers higher quality goods and services at lower cost. It can have the same effect in the health care system, if given the chance to work.

Cap non-economic damages in medical malpractice lawsuits
Empower individuals and small businesses to form purchasing pools
Prevent discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage
Facilitate IT interoperability
Empower Consumer Choice

For markets to work, consumers must have the information and the power to make decisions about their own care. Placing the patient at the center of the process will drive quality up and cost down while ensuring that services are designed to provide what Americans actually want.

End tax discrimination against the individual purchase of insurance
Allow consumers to purchase insurance across state lines
Unshackle HSAs by allowing funds to be used for insurance premiums
Promote "co-insurance" products
Promote alternatives to "fee for service"
Encourage "Consumer Reports"-type ratings of alternative insurance plans


Source

Yeah thats really...specific...


What do you want? An actual 3,000 page legislation? You're never going to get that from a candidate.

How about a several page? Like let's say 20. If I was asked to do a term paper and I did less than 2 pages I wouldn't expect a good grade. I hold a presidential candidate to a larger standard than myself. So let's say.. as many pages as it would take to detail an actual plan instead of some wishful thinking and ideas.

Well, thats pretty much what i would have answered
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 04 2012 02:19 GMT
#13044
Meh, I don't like this education answer from Romney. I don't even have to hear Obama to give him a point.

7-3 Romney.
mtn
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
729 Posts
October 04 2012 02:20 GMT
#13045
On October 04 2012 11:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Poor kids -.-



Ya... He really should cut his Poor people, Poor kids, Poor this Poor that...

Low income sounds so much less offensive.
Schvitzer
Profile Joined October 2012
United States15 Posts
October 04 2012 02:20 GMT
#13046
Every time Obama says the word "And", he pauses for 2 seconds.
It is all about you, isn't it?
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
October 04 2012 02:20 GMT
#13047
On October 04 2012 11:18 Deathmanbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 11:17 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:15 Ventris wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:14 ey215 wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:08 acker wrote:
So...what was Romney's plan for healthcare?



In place of Obamacare, Mitt will pursue policies that give each state the power to craft a health care reform plan that is best for its own citizens. The federal government’s role will be to help markets work by creating a level playing field for competition.

Restore State Leadership and Flexibility

Mitt will begin by returning states to their proper place in charge of regulating local insurance markets and caring for the poor, uninsured, and chronically ill. States will have both the incentive and the flexibility to experiment, learn from one another, and craft the approaches best suited to their own citizens.

Block grant Medicaid and other payments to states
Limit federal standards and requirements on both private insurance and Medicaid coverage
Ensure flexibility to help the uninsured, including public-private partnerships, exchanges, and subsidies
Ensure flexibility to help the chronically ill, including high-risk pools, reinsurance, and risk adjustment
Offer innovation grants to explore non-litigation alternatives to dispute resolution
Promote Free Markets and Fair Competition

Competition drives improvements in efficiency and effectiveness, offering consumers higher quality goods and services at lower cost. It can have the same effect in the health care system, if given the chance to work.

Cap non-economic damages in medical malpractice lawsuits
Empower individuals and small businesses to form purchasing pools
Prevent discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage
Facilitate IT interoperability
Empower Consumer Choice

For markets to work, consumers must have the information and the power to make decisions about their own care. Placing the patient at the center of the process will drive quality up and cost down while ensuring that services are designed to provide what Americans actually want.

End tax discrimination against the individual purchase of insurance
Allow consumers to purchase insurance across state lines
Unshackle HSAs by allowing funds to be used for insurance premiums
Promote "co-insurance" products
Promote alternatives to "fee for service"
Encourage "Consumer Reports"-type ratings of alternative insurance plans


Source

Yeah thats really...specific...

how specific do you people want? be realistic here, even if you are biased. he's got two minutes with a Mod who doesn't like him and is all over Obama's junk, he doesn't have much time for specifics.


He has had 18 months to let out a plan, if you go oh i dont have enough time in a 2 minute debate then you damn well better of done something before

he has discussed his plan, has specifics on his website.

you don't want him to have a plan, so even if he gave you a detailed plan, you would say: "wheres the details?"
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18870 Posts
October 04 2012 02:20 GMT
#13048
"It wasn't very detailed, which seems to be a trend." LOL bazing
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
October 04 2012 02:20 GMT
#13049
I just turned the debate off this shit is so fucking boring, they never got to anything interesting.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 04 2012 02:20 GMT
#13050
On October 04 2012 11:17 Mindcrime wrote:
i lol @ Romney bringing up "the principles of the Constitution"

the entire purpose of the Constitution was to greatly expand the power of the federal government


It kinda hurts that he didn't mention a single right from the Constitution.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-04 02:21:17
October 04 2012 02:20 GMT
#13051
On October 04 2012 11:17 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 11:15 Ventris wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:14 ey215 wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:08 acker wrote:
So...what was Romney's plan for healthcare?



In place of Obamacare, Mitt will pursue policies that give each state the power to craft a health care reform plan that is best for its own citizens. The federal government’s role will be to help markets work by creating a level playing field for competition.

Restore State Leadership and Flexibility

Mitt will begin by returning states to their proper place in charge of regulating local insurance markets and caring for the poor, uninsured, and chronically ill. States will have both the incentive and the flexibility to experiment, learn from one another, and craft the approaches best suited to their own citizens.

Block grant Medicaid and other payments to states
Limit federal standards and requirements on both private insurance and Medicaid coverage
Ensure flexibility to help the uninsured, including public-private partnerships, exchanges, and subsidies
Ensure flexibility to help the chronically ill, including high-risk pools, reinsurance, and risk adjustment
Offer innovation grants to explore non-litigation alternatives to dispute resolution
Promote Free Markets and Fair Competition

Competition drives improvements in efficiency and effectiveness, offering consumers higher quality goods and services at lower cost. It can have the same effect in the health care system, if given the chance to work.

Cap non-economic damages in medical malpractice lawsuits
Empower individuals and small businesses to form purchasing pools
Prevent discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage
Facilitate IT interoperability
Empower Consumer Choice

For markets to work, consumers must have the information and the power to make decisions about their own care. Placing the patient at the center of the process will drive quality up and cost down while ensuring that services are designed to provide what Americans actually want.

End tax discrimination against the individual purchase of insurance
Allow consumers to purchase insurance across state lines
Unshackle HSAs by allowing funds to be used for insurance premiums
Promote "co-insurance" products
Promote alternatives to "fee for service"
Encourage "Consumer Reports"-type ratings of alternative insurance plans


Source

Yeah thats really...specific...

how specific do you people want? be realistic here, even if you are biased. he's got two minutes with a Mod who doesn't like him and is all over Obama's junk, he doesn't have much time for specifics.

obamacare is how many pages in the actual legislation? you can summarize it in a few lines. because there is a general framework and approach. romney doesn't really care about all the underlying social welfare objectives in government healthcare. maybe if he's golf buddy with a health insurance guy he'll care about how to make their business better, but that's about it.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
October 04 2012 02:20 GMT
#13052
Obama's losing debate for two reasons

1) Romney can basically claim to have any position he wants.
2) Obama has four years of decisions Romney can just pick apart.

Incumbent has a huge disadvantage.
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
October 04 2012 02:21 GMT
#13053
On October 04 2012 11:19 HardlyNever wrote:
"Poor kids"

Ouch.

Yeah because only Democrats can talk about poor kids, if Republicans do it it's like white people saying the n-word. They have to use code words like "lower income" so they don't come across as the uncompassionate bastards they are. Am I doing this right?
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
October 04 2012 02:21 GMT
#13054
On October 04 2012 11:20 Defacer wrote:
Obama's losing debate for two reasons

1) Romney can basically claim to have any position he wants.
2) Obama has four years of decisions Romney can just pick apart.

Incumbent has a huge disadvantage.

yet the incumbent almost never loses come election time.
Deathmanbob
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2356 Posts
October 04 2012 02:21 GMT
#13055
On October 04 2012 11:20 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 11:18 Deathmanbob wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:17 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:15 Ventris wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:14 ey215 wrote:
On October 04 2012 11:08 acker wrote:
So...what was Romney's plan for healthcare?



In place of Obamacare, Mitt will pursue policies that give each state the power to craft a health care reform plan that is best for its own citizens. The federal government’s role will be to help markets work by creating a level playing field for competition.

Restore State Leadership and Flexibility

Mitt will begin by returning states to their proper place in charge of regulating local insurance markets and caring for the poor, uninsured, and chronically ill. States will have both the incentive and the flexibility to experiment, learn from one another, and craft the approaches best suited to their own citizens.

Block grant Medicaid and other payments to states
Limit federal standards and requirements on both private insurance and Medicaid coverage
Ensure flexibility to help the uninsured, including public-private partnerships, exchanges, and subsidies
Ensure flexibility to help the chronically ill, including high-risk pools, reinsurance, and risk adjustment
Offer innovation grants to explore non-litigation alternatives to dispute resolution
Promote Free Markets and Fair Competition

Competition drives improvements in efficiency and effectiveness, offering consumers higher quality goods and services at lower cost. It can have the same effect in the health care system, if given the chance to work.

Cap non-economic damages in medical malpractice lawsuits
Empower individuals and small businesses to form purchasing pools
Prevent discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage
Facilitate IT interoperability
Empower Consumer Choice

For markets to work, consumers must have the information and the power to make decisions about their own care. Placing the patient at the center of the process will drive quality up and cost down while ensuring that services are designed to provide what Americans actually want.

End tax discrimination against the individual purchase of insurance
Allow consumers to purchase insurance across state lines
Unshackle HSAs by allowing funds to be used for insurance premiums
Promote "co-insurance" products
Promote alternatives to "fee for service"
Encourage "Consumer Reports"-type ratings of alternative insurance plans


Source

Yeah thats really...specific...

how specific do you people want? be realistic here, even if you are biased. he's got two minutes with a Mod who doesn't like him and is all over Obama's junk, he doesn't have much time for specifics.


He has had 18 months to let out a plan, if you go oh i dont have enough time in a 2 minute debate then you damn well better of done something before

he has discussed his plan, has specifics on his website.

you don't want him to have a plan, so even if he gave you a detailed plan, you would say: "wheres the details?"


can you link me to the deductions and loopholes he will close?
No Artosis, you are robin
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46590 Posts
October 04 2012 02:22 GMT
#13056
On October 04 2012 11:19 xDaunt wrote:
Meh, I don't like this education answer from Romney. I don't even have to hear Obama to give him a point.

7-3 Romney.


Glad to see even you're giving Obama the comeback
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
October 04 2012 02:22 GMT
#13057
I want the argument to get to how Mitt Romney claimed Russia as America's #1 geo-political rival giving Russia claim against the anti-missile system trying to be implemented in Europe.
FoTG fighting!
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 04 2012 02:22 GMT
#13058
Stupid comeback.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Deathmanbob
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2356 Posts
October 04 2012 02:22 GMT
#13059
WHAT A SHITTY LINE!!!! oh man, you cant use a old line like that but tweak it with crap
No Artosis, you are robin
Ventris
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany1226 Posts
October 04 2012 02:22 GMT
#13060
Oh come on. 5 Minutes difference.
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