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On September 07 2012 07:43 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 07:13 sevencck wrote:
in a nutshell Paul Ryan seems to want nothing more than to disassemble all social services.. My honest response to you would certainly get me banned here forever so I'll skip all that and just highlight this sentence to see if anyone on the left around here has the integrity to set you straight.
There is a third course available, one that often works well on a public forum. You might try outlining your position using reason and language. If you are correct it should be a very simple point to argue. I didn't make my statement without reason, but I'd be interested in hearing your take on the matter.
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On September 07 2012 07:13 sevencck wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 07:07 Gorsameth wrote:On September 07 2012 07:02 sevencck wrote:
I'm Canadian, but I've always followed U.S. politics a little more closely than Canadian politics, and I've always despised Republicanism in the U.S.A. (the philosophy mainly, I don't really hate on people).
Bill Clinton's speech was top notch, magnificent, so full of substance and passion. It's easy to feel his deep understanding and commitment to improving the situation in the U.S.A. It actually makes me feel proud to identify with the Democrats, and I'm not even capable of voting in the U.S. election. In contrast, the Republican campaign has been a dispassionate and largely dishonest smear campaign, filled with many baseless claims, and an economic platform that doesn't even hold water numerically as determined by a third party group (that Romney now accuses of liberal bias, despite holding them up as third party a year ago). The past several months have also highlighted Romney as a flipflopper on important American sociopolitical issues. The trite response the Republicans gave Clinton's speech was nothing less than totally embarrassing.
I've always had a difficult time understanding why people vote Republican in the U.S.A., as an outside observer, it's not difficult to see that they're truly a terrible option for that country right now. Simple, Brainwashing. The american news system is designed to indoctrinate both sides really. It stops them from being able to objectively view the situation and determine the better outcome. Agreed. There are probably a number of other factors involved, but this election will be much closer than it should be. It's totally baffling. Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 07:12 Chocolate wrote:On September 07 2012 07:02 sevencck wrote:
I'm Canadian, but I've always followed U.S. politics a little more closely than Canadian politics, and I've always despised Republicanism in the U.S.A. (the philosophy mainly, I don't really hate on people).
Bill Clinton's speech was top notch, magnificent, so full of substance and passion. It's easy to feel his deep understanding and commitment to improving the situation in the U.S.A. It actually makes me feel proud to identify with the Democrats, and I'm not even capable of voting in the U.S. election. In contrast, the Republican campaign has been a dispassionate and largely dishonest smear campaign, filled with many baseless claims, and an economic platform that doesn't even hold water numerically as determined by a third party group (that Romney now accuses of liberal bias, despite holding them up as third party a year ago). The past several months have also highlighted Romney as a flipflopper on important American sociopolitical issues. The trite response the Republicans gave Clinton's speech was nothing less than totally embarrassing.
I've always had a difficult time understanding why people vote Republican in the U.S.A., as an outside observer, it's not difficult to see that they're truly a terrible option for that country right now. the Republican party tends to have values that coincide very closely with lots of Christians, and as you know, Christianity and Christianity and religion in general are much more important in everyday life here than in Canada, Europe, Aus, etc. Also, if you grow up watching Fox news your whole life, you don't really have any perspective: Republicanism is the only thing that makes sense to you, and liberals are those lesbian hippies who kill babies. If I'm going to be totally honest, there is far more ignorance and stupidity on the side of the republicans. In fact, there are even some subtle currents of anti intellectual pride associated with that party. I realize ignorance and stupidity will impact an election return, but it can't possibly be enough to account for a 50:50 result that really shouldn't be so close. Mitt Romney is practically made of wood, and in a nutshell Paul Ryan seems to want nothing more than to disassemble all social services. I don't see how this can compete with Obama to the extent that the return is close to 50%.
There's lots of stupidity in the Democratic party as well. Case in point - some supporters of the Democratic party try to paint the other side as being a bunch of brainwashed morons. Can you believe it? I mean really, how stupid can people be?
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On September 07 2012 08:15 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 07:13 sevencck wrote:On September 07 2012 07:07 Gorsameth wrote:On September 07 2012 07:02 sevencck wrote:
I'm Canadian, but I've always followed U.S. politics a little more closely than Canadian politics, and I've always despised Republicanism in the U.S.A. (the philosophy mainly, I don't really hate on people).
Bill Clinton's speech was top notch, magnificent, so full of substance and passion. It's easy to feel his deep understanding and commitment to improving the situation in the U.S.A. It actually makes me feel proud to identify with the Democrats, and I'm not even capable of voting in the U.S. election. In contrast, the Republican campaign has been a dispassionate and largely dishonest smear campaign, filled with many baseless claims, and an economic platform that doesn't even hold water numerically as determined by a third party group (that Romney now accuses of liberal bias, despite holding them up as third party a year ago). The past several months have also highlighted Romney as a flipflopper on important American sociopolitical issues. The trite response the Republicans gave Clinton's speech was nothing less than totally embarrassing.
I've always had a difficult time understanding why people vote Republican in the U.S.A., as an outside observer, it's not difficult to see that they're truly a terrible option for that country right now. Simple, Brainwashing. The american news system is designed to indoctrinate both sides really. It stops them from being able to objectively view the situation and determine the better outcome. Agreed. There are probably a number of other factors involved, but this election will be much closer than it should be. It's totally baffling. On September 07 2012 07:12 Chocolate wrote:On September 07 2012 07:02 sevencck wrote:
I'm Canadian, but I've always followed U.S. politics a little more closely than Canadian politics, and I've always despised Republicanism in the U.S.A. (the philosophy mainly, I don't really hate on people).
Bill Clinton's speech was top notch, magnificent, so full of substance and passion. It's easy to feel his deep understanding and commitment to improving the situation in the U.S.A. It actually makes me feel proud to identify with the Democrats, and I'm not even capable of voting in the U.S. election. In contrast, the Republican campaign has been a dispassionate and largely dishonest smear campaign, filled with many baseless claims, and an economic platform that doesn't even hold water numerically as determined by a third party group (that Romney now accuses of liberal bias, despite holding them up as third party a year ago). The past several months have also highlighted Romney as a flipflopper on important American sociopolitical issues. The trite response the Republicans gave Clinton's speech was nothing less than totally embarrassing.
I've always had a difficult time understanding why people vote Republican in the U.S.A., as an outside observer, it's not difficult to see that they're truly a terrible option for that country right now. the Republican party tends to have values that coincide very closely with lots of Christians, and as you know, Christianity and Christianity and religion in general are much more important in everyday life here than in Canada, Europe, Aus, etc. Also, if you grow up watching Fox news your whole life, you don't really have any perspective: Republicanism is the only thing that makes sense to you, and liberals are those lesbian hippies who kill babies. If I'm going to be totally honest, there is far more ignorance and stupidity on the side of the republicans. In fact, there are even some subtle currents of anti intellectual pride associated with that party. I realize ignorance and stupidity will impact an election return, but it can't possibly be enough to account for a 50:50 result that really shouldn't be so close. Mitt Romney is practically made of wood, and in a nutshell Paul Ryan seems to want nothing more than to disassemble all social services. I don't see how this can compete with Obama to the extent that the return is close to 50%. There's lots of stupidity in the Democratic party as well. Case in point - some supporters of the Democratic party try to paint the other side as being a bunch of brainwashed morons. Can you believe it? I mean really, how stupid can people be?
On September 07 2012 07:07 Gorsameth wrote:
Simple, Brainwashing. The american news system is designed to indoctrinate both sides really. It stops them from being able to objectively view the situation and determine the better outcome.
Sorry but that argument just failed
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On September 07 2012 07:51 Klondikebar wrote:
the deficit increased under Bush far more than it ever did Obama.
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On September 07 2012 08:28 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 07:51 Klondikebar wrote:
the deficit increased under Bush far more than it ever did Obama.
So...the deficit shoots up immediately following the Bush Tax cuts eh?
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On September 07 2012 08:15 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 07:13 sevencck wrote:On September 07 2012 07:07 Gorsameth wrote:On September 07 2012 07:02 sevencck wrote:
I'm Canadian, but I've always followed U.S. politics a little more closely than Canadian politics, and I've always despised Republicanism in the U.S.A. (the philosophy mainly, I don't really hate on people).
Bill Clinton's speech was top notch, magnificent, so full of substance and passion. It's easy to feel his deep understanding and commitment to improving the situation in the U.S.A. It actually makes me feel proud to identify with the Democrats, and I'm not even capable of voting in the U.S. election. In contrast, the Republican campaign has been a dispassionate and largely dishonest smear campaign, filled with many baseless claims, and an economic platform that doesn't even hold water numerically as determined by a third party group (that Romney now accuses of liberal bias, despite holding them up as third party a year ago). The past several months have also highlighted Romney as a flipflopper on important American sociopolitical issues. The trite response the Republicans gave Clinton's speech was nothing less than totally embarrassing.
I've always had a difficult time understanding why people vote Republican in the U.S.A., as an outside observer, it's not difficult to see that they're truly a terrible option for that country right now. Simple, Brainwashing. The american news system is designed to indoctrinate both sides really. It stops them from being able to objectively view the situation and determine the better outcome. Agreed. There are probably a number of other factors involved, but this election will be much closer than it should be. It's totally baffling. On September 07 2012 07:12 Chocolate wrote:On September 07 2012 07:02 sevencck wrote:
I'm Canadian, but I've always followed U.S. politics a little more closely than Canadian politics, and I've always despised Republicanism in the U.S.A. (the philosophy mainly, I don't really hate on people).
Bill Clinton's speech was top notch, magnificent, so full of substance and passion. It's easy to feel his deep understanding and commitment to improving the situation in the U.S.A. It actually makes me feel proud to identify with the Democrats, and I'm not even capable of voting in the U.S. election. In contrast, the Republican campaign has been a dispassionate and largely dishonest smear campaign, filled with many baseless claims, and an economic platform that doesn't even hold water numerically as determined by a third party group (that Romney now accuses of liberal bias, despite holding them up as third party a year ago). The past several months have also highlighted Romney as a flipflopper on important American sociopolitical issues. The trite response the Republicans gave Clinton's speech was nothing less than totally embarrassing.
I've always had a difficult time understanding why people vote Republican in the U.S.A., as an outside observer, it's not difficult to see that they're truly a terrible option for that country right now. the Republican party tends to have values that coincide very closely with lots of Christians, and as you know, Christianity and Christianity and religion in general are much more important in everyday life here than in Canada, Europe, Aus, etc. Also, if you grow up watching Fox news your whole life, you don't really have any perspective: Republicanism is the only thing that makes sense to you, and liberals are those lesbian hippies who kill babies. If I'm going to be totally honest, there is far more ignorance and stupidity on the side of the republicans. In fact, there are even some subtle currents of anti intellectual pride associated with that party. I realize ignorance and stupidity will impact an election return, but it can't possibly be enough to account for a 50:50 result that really shouldn't be so close. Mitt Romney is practically made of wood, and in a nutshell Paul Ryan seems to want nothing more than to disassemble all social services. I don't see how this can compete with Obama to the extent that the return is close to 50%. There's lots of stupidity in the Democratic party as well. Case in point - some supporters of the Democratic party try to paint the other side as being a bunch of brainwashed morons. Can you believe it? I mean really, how stupid can people be?
Perhaps. But then again, when people are parroting the things they've heard from the Republican candidates or Fox News -- things that are demonstrably either distorted or completely false -- without personally examining their validity, I don't know of many other words that fit the bill quite as well as brainwashed. Nevertheless, I will concede there is some definite goofiness on the left in the U.S. as well, I just feel like the right has so much more. Have you seen Chuck Norris's latest gem? 1000 years of darkness? Really?
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On September 07 2012 06:56 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 06:39 Defacer wrote:On September 07 2012 06:37 xDaunt wrote:On September 07 2012 06:33 DamnCats wrote:On September 07 2012 06:22 xDaunt wrote:On September 07 2012 05:53 Defacer wrote:On September 07 2012 05:31 Doublemint wrote:On September 07 2012 05:26 Defacer wrote:On September 07 2012 05:16 Doublemint wrote:Hehe, don't be so hard on him! Smart move as he still seems to be a pretty solid and popular guy unlike other former Presidents. I actually really like xDaunt. I actually think he's a far smarter and funnier poster than he gets credit for. He just has the misfortune of defending a party with really clunky leadership and non-sensical policies. I think I know what you are getting at - it's like the (at least hopefully) mutual respect heavy contenders have got for each other, here in the realm of ideas and politics. Cheap shots for entertainment included from time to time - no kumbaya BS :D Let's put it this way -- if Christie was the candidate, it would be a lot easier for xDaunt to defend his positions and a lot harder for me to bust his chops. Xdaunt is not crazy, but the field of Republican nominees this year was terrible. I'm on record saying that this year's republican candidates were John McCain's sloppy seconds. I 'm also on record saying that I would vote for a plywood board over Obama. Ah, the only attitude getting Mittens any votes at all. No, I'm actually far more comfortable voting for Romney now since the convention, and not just against Obama. Why? I'm not being facetious. What made you more comfortable. Would also like to hear this. Also, god damn, the DNC has been so much better than the RNC. Hell, there are even minorities in the crowd :O
And Disabled people. And War veterans.
The RNC didn't mention the war or veterans once. That's how much the GOP platform has changed.
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On September 07 2012 08:28 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 07:51 Klondikebar wrote:
the deficit increased under Bush far more than it ever did Obama.
so it went from budget surplus of ~$180B to deficit of ~$460B. that is a change of $640B
obama went from $460B to ~$1,080, a net change of around $620B. not to mention this is achieved straight after the effects of the GFC
so yer. the deficit increased more under bush than obama. thanks for providing the source
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On September 07 2012 08:28 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 07:51 Klondikebar wrote:
the deficit increased under Bush far more than it ever did Obama.
Please provide a means for controlling/accounting for the economic damage left by the eight years of shoddy leadership prior to Obama's presidency. If you can't, then this data is irresponsible to use as a basis to detract from Obama's economic policies, because it doesn't provide a meaningful frame of reference. Nor does it take into consideration the nature or focus of the plan.
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On September 07 2012 08:01 AyMnRSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 07:56 darthfoley wrote:On September 07 2012 07:52 AyMnRSC2 wrote:
Honestly, Bill Clinton's speech last night was amazing. He refuted literally everything issue that Republicans are running on. I am very interested to see what President Obama has to say tonight at the DNC. About 15 minutes from now (probably longer). 10pm i think. Yea Clinton's speech took a dump on all of the republican talking points, basically. Yeah and honestly, as a college student paying his way through college. It means a lot to me that, if he is reelected, Obama's "college student success" plan goes into effect immediately.
You'd be better off with a strong economy than another Obama spending program with a name that sounds like a nice idea.
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On September 07 2012 07:55 Chocolate wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 07:50 ImAbstracT wrote:On September 07 2012 07:12 Chocolate wrote:On September 07 2012 07:02 sevencck wrote:
I'm Canadian, but I've always followed U.S. politics a little more closely than Canadian politics, and I've always despised Republicanism in the U.S.A. (the philosophy mainly, I don't really hate on people).
Bill Clinton's speech was top notch, magnificent, so full of substance and passion. It's easy to feel his deep understanding and commitment to improving the situation in the U.S.A. It actually makes me feel proud to identify with the Democrats, and I'm not even capable of voting in the U.S. election. In contrast, the Republican campaign has been a dispassionate and largely dishonest smear campaign, filled with many baseless claims, and an economic platform that doesn't even hold water numerically as determined by a third party group (that Romney now accuses of liberal bias, despite holding them up as third party a year ago). The past several months have also highlighted Romney as a flipflopper on important American sociopolitical issues. The trite response the Republicans gave Clinton's speech was nothing less than totally embarrassing.
I've always had a difficult time understanding why people vote Republican in the U.S.A., as an outside observer, it's not difficult to see that they're truly a terrible option for that country right now. the Republican party tends to have values that coincide very closely with lots of Christians, and as you know, Christianity and Christianity and religion in general are much more important in everyday life here than in Canada, Europe, Aus, etc. Also, if you grow up watching Fox news your whole life, you don't really have any perspective: Republicanism is the only thing that makes sense to you, and liberals are those lesbian hippies who kill babies. As a Christian and fairly well trained in theology I would respectfully disagree. Well, I assume you are talking about welfare and social services. Most Christians I know would say that 1. people should choose how much to donate 2. people should choose who they give their money 3. government is inefficient 4. some government servies are immoral (anything to do with abortion) 5. religious groups and volunteer workers are better managers (little bureaucracy/politics) 6. some actions aren't really good charity, like providing cell-phones, ability to get booze, etc. I tend to agree here myself. And finally we have social issues like abortion, gay marriage, capital punishment (some religions), wars (some religions), religion in schools and public sector, etc.
I do not want to morph this into a religioun thread, so I will respond quickly and once. I am pro-life, but nothing will change the status of that. So I do not think that is an issue. Gay marriage, while I do not agree with homosexuality, is a church issue. Marriage shouldn't be a government and political issue.
If you read about Jesus he tends to focus on the ophan, poor, widows, disabled, and such. His focus was on the least of these. His encounters with the wealthy didn't really go very well. He usually spoke against their love and trust of their wealthy, and their selfishness. We can learn by His example. The Christian life should be one of hard work, trying to better the lives of the least of these, and spreading the life and work of Christ. You can not do that while aimlessly chasing profits, mansion, and other materialistic pleasures. There is nothing wrong with owning a nice house, car, and possession. However, when getting more and more becomes the sole focus of all your time and effort then it leaves little to nothing to do that for which we are called.
I would also disagree that government is inherently inefficient. That is a strangly and prodominately American idea, most likely birthed from the founders. I think creating a more moral and sustainable system is much more important than just efficiency.
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On September 07 2012 08:33 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 08:28 dvorakftw wrote:On September 07 2012 07:51 Klondikebar wrote:
the deficit increased under Bush far more than it ever did Obama. so it went from budget surplus of ~$180B to deficit of ~$460B. that is a change of $640B obama went from $460B to ~$1,080, a net change of around $620B. not to mention this is achieved straight after the effects of the GFC so yer. the deficit increased more under bush than obama. thanks for providing the source
You're funny. I like you. Anyway deficits start at zero so you lose. That's even allowing you to stick Bush with budgets he never signed because Democrats refused to actually pass any.
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On September 07 2012 08:39 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 08:01 AyMnRSC2 wrote:On September 07 2012 07:56 darthfoley wrote:On September 07 2012 07:52 AyMnRSC2 wrote:
Honestly, Bill Clinton's speech last night was amazing. He refuted literally everything issue that Republicans are running on. I am very interested to see what President Obama has to say tonight at the DNC. About 15 minutes from now (probably longer). 10pm i think. Yea Clinton's speech took a dump on all of the republican talking points, basically. Yeah and honestly, as a college student paying his way through college. It means a lot to me that, if he is reelected, Obama's "college student success" plan goes into effect immediately. You'd be better off with a strong economy than another Obama spending program with a name that sounds like a nice idea.
I'd be best off with both.
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On September 07 2012 08:44 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 08:33 Doraemon wrote:On September 07 2012 08:28 dvorakftw wrote:On September 07 2012 07:51 Klondikebar wrote:
the deficit increased under Bush far more than it ever did Obama. so it went from budget surplus of ~$180B to deficit of ~$460B. that is a change of $640B obama went from $460B to ~$1,080, a net change of around $620B. not to mention this is achieved straight after the effects of the GFC so yer. the deficit increased more under bush than obama. thanks for providing the source You're funny. I like you. Anyway deficits start at zero so you lose. That's even allowing you to stick Bush with budgets he never signed because Democrats refused to actually pass any.
you're funny too. are you actually arguing we should overlook the net effect?
what if clinton left with a $500B surplus and bush left with $0B, does that mean bush did a fantastic job because he didn't have a "deficit"? cmon, it's ARITHMETIC
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On September 07 2012 08:31 sevencck wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 08:15 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 07 2012 07:13 sevencck wrote:On September 07 2012 07:07 Gorsameth wrote:On September 07 2012 07:02 sevencck wrote:
I'm Canadian, but I've always followed U.S. politics a little more closely than Canadian politics, and I've always despised Republicanism in the U.S.A. (the philosophy mainly, I don't really hate on people).
Bill Clinton's speech was top notch, magnificent, so full of substance and passion. It's easy to feel his deep understanding and commitment to improving the situation in the U.S.A. It actually makes me feel proud to identify with the Democrats, and I'm not even capable of voting in the U.S. election. In contrast, the Republican campaign has been a dispassionate and largely dishonest smear campaign, filled with many baseless claims, and an economic platform that doesn't even hold water numerically as determined by a third party group (that Romney now accuses of liberal bias, despite holding them up as third party a year ago). The past several months have also highlighted Romney as a flipflopper on important American sociopolitical issues. The trite response the Republicans gave Clinton's speech was nothing less than totally embarrassing.
I've always had a difficult time understanding why people vote Republican in the U.S.A., as an outside observer, it's not difficult to see that they're truly a terrible option for that country right now. Simple, Brainwashing. The american news system is designed to indoctrinate both sides really. It stops them from being able to objectively view the situation and determine the better outcome. Agreed. There are probably a number of other factors involved, but this election will be much closer than it should be. It's totally baffling. On September 07 2012 07:12 Chocolate wrote:On September 07 2012 07:02 sevencck wrote:
I'm Canadian, but I've always followed U.S. politics a little more closely than Canadian politics, and I've always despised Republicanism in the U.S.A. (the philosophy mainly, I don't really hate on people).
Bill Clinton's speech was top notch, magnificent, so full of substance and passion. It's easy to feel his deep understanding and commitment to improving the situation in the U.S.A. It actually makes me feel proud to identify with the Democrats, and I'm not even capable of voting in the U.S. election. In contrast, the Republican campaign has been a dispassionate and largely dishonest smear campaign, filled with many baseless claims, and an economic platform that doesn't even hold water numerically as determined by a third party group (that Romney now accuses of liberal bias, despite holding them up as third party a year ago). The past several months have also highlighted Romney as a flipflopper on important American sociopolitical issues. The trite response the Republicans gave Clinton's speech was nothing less than totally embarrassing.
I've always had a difficult time understanding why people vote Republican in the U.S.A., as an outside observer, it's not difficult to see that they're truly a terrible option for that country right now. the Republican party tends to have values that coincide very closely with lots of Christians, and as you know, Christianity and Christianity and religion in general are much more important in everyday life here than in Canada, Europe, Aus, etc. Also, if you grow up watching Fox news your whole life, you don't really have any perspective: Republicanism is the only thing that makes sense to you, and liberals are those lesbian hippies who kill babies. If I'm going to be totally honest, there is far more ignorance and stupidity on the side of the republicans. In fact, there are even some subtle currents of anti intellectual pride associated with that party. I realize ignorance and stupidity will impact an election return, but it can't possibly be enough to account for a 50:50 result that really shouldn't be so close. Mitt Romney is practically made of wood, and in a nutshell Paul Ryan seems to want nothing more than to disassemble all social services. I don't see how this can compete with Obama to the extent that the return is close to 50%. There's lots of stupidity in the Democratic party as well. Case in point - some supporters of the Democratic party try to paint the other side as being a bunch of brainwashed morons. Can you believe it? I mean really, how stupid can people be? Perhaps. But then again, when people are parroting the things they've heard from the Republican candidates or Fox News -- things that are demonstrably either distorted or completely false -- without personally examining their validity, I don't know of many other words that fit the bill quite as well as brainwashed. Nevertheless, I will concede there is some definite goofiness on the left in the U.S. as well, I just feel like the right has so much more. Have you seen Chuck Norris's latest gem? 1000 years of darkness? Really?
Right back at you with the Democrats. How many times have they repeated blatantly false, or massively exaggerated claims like "the rich pay lower taxes than their secretaries" or blaming everything bad as "Bush's fault".
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On September 07 2012 08:30 Nanikure wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 08:28 dvorakftw wrote:On September 07 2012 07:51 Klondikebar wrote:
the deficit increased under Bush far more than it ever did Obama. So...the deficit shoots up immediately following the Bush Tax cuts eh?
You're forgetting three really important factors. The Dot Com bubble burst, the housing bubble burst (this caused the financial crisis in late 2007), and 9-11 absolutely tanked the economy, especially for airlines.
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If anyone is watching, who is this? She's a good speaker.
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On September 07 2012 08:48 Derez wrote:
If anyone is watching, who is this? She's a good speaker.
Scarlett Johnasen
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On September 07 2012 08:47 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 08:31 sevencck wrote:On September 07 2012 08:15 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 07 2012 07:13 sevencck wrote:On September 07 2012 07:07 Gorsameth wrote:On September 07 2012 07:02 sevencck wrote:
I'm Canadian, but I've always followed U.S. politics a little more closely than Canadian politics, and I've always despised Republicanism in the U.S.A. (the philosophy mainly, I don't really hate on people).
Bill Clinton's speech was top notch, magnificent, so full of substance and passion. It's easy to feel his deep understanding and commitment to improving the situation in the U.S.A. It actually makes me feel proud to identify with the Democrats, and I'm not even capable of voting in the U.S. election. In contrast, the Republican campaign has been a dispassionate and largely dishonest smear campaign, filled with many baseless claims, and an economic platform that doesn't even hold water numerically as determined by a third party group (that Romney now accuses of liberal bias, despite holding them up as third party a year ago). The past several months have also highlighted Romney as a flipflopper on important American sociopolitical issues. The trite response the Republicans gave Clinton's speech was nothing less than totally embarrassing.
I've always had a difficult time understanding why people vote Republican in the U.S.A., as an outside observer, it's not difficult to see that they're truly a terrible option for that country right now. Simple, Brainwashing. The american news system is designed to indoctrinate both sides really. It stops them from being able to objectively view the situation and determine the better outcome. Agreed. There are probably a number of other factors involved, but this election will be much closer than it should be. It's totally baffling. On September 07 2012 07:12 Chocolate wrote:On September 07 2012 07:02 sevencck wrote:
I'm Canadian, but I've always followed U.S. politics a little more closely than Canadian politics, and I've always despised Republicanism in the U.S.A. (the philosophy mainly, I don't really hate on people).
Bill Clinton's speech was top notch, magnificent, so full of substance and passion. It's easy to feel his deep understanding and commitment to improving the situation in the U.S.A. It actually makes me feel proud to identify with the Democrats, and I'm not even capable of voting in the U.S. election. In contrast, the Republican campaign has been a dispassionate and largely dishonest smear campaign, filled with many baseless claims, and an economic platform that doesn't even hold water numerically as determined by a third party group (that Romney now accuses of liberal bias, despite holding them up as third party a year ago). The past several months have also highlighted Romney as a flipflopper on important American sociopolitical issues. The trite response the Republicans gave Clinton's speech was nothing less than totally embarrassing.
I've always had a difficult time understanding why people vote Republican in the U.S.A., as an outside observer, it's not difficult to see that they're truly a terrible option for that country right now. the Republican party tends to have values that coincide very closely with lots of Christians, and as you know, Christianity and Christianity and religion in general are much more important in everyday life here than in Canada, Europe, Aus, etc. Also, if you grow up watching Fox news your whole life, you don't really have any perspective: Republicanism is the only thing that makes sense to you, and liberals are those lesbian hippies who kill babies. If I'm going to be totally honest, there is far more ignorance and stupidity on the side of the republicans. In fact, there are even some subtle currents of anti intellectual pride associated with that party. I realize ignorance and stupidity will impact an election return, but it can't possibly be enough to account for a 50:50 result that really shouldn't be so close. Mitt Romney is practically made of wood, and in a nutshell Paul Ryan seems to want nothing more than to disassemble all social services. I don't see how this can compete with Obama to the extent that the return is close to 50%. There's lots of stupidity in the Democratic party as well. Case in point - some supporters of the Democratic party try to paint the other side as being a bunch of brainwashed morons. Can you believe it? I mean really, how stupid can people be? Perhaps. But then again, when people are parroting the things they've heard from the Republican candidates or Fox News -- things that are demonstrably either distorted or completely false -- without personally examining their validity, I don't know of many other words that fit the bill quite as well as brainwashed. Nevertheless, I will concede there is some definite goofiness on the left in the U.S. as well, I just feel like the right has so much more. Have you seen Chuck Norris's latest gem? 1000 years of darkness? Really? Right back at you with the Democrats. How many times have they repeated blatantly false, or massively exaggerated claims like "the rich pay lower taxes than their secretaries" or blaming everything bad as "Bush's fault".
to be honest the rich are able to pay less % tax. my father earned ~$400K last year, he payed 17% effective tax, i earned <$100K and i paid 22% tax. although this is in australia, i would have thought the american system was similar? maybe i am wrong, but my point is people earning higher salary can pay less tax.
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