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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
Deathmanbob
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2356 Posts
August 31 2012 02:35 GMT
#7441
On August 31 2012 11:30 xDaunt wrote:
This Rubio speech is kinda meh.


really? as a democrat, i thought it was really good, im kinda sad i dont get to see Romenys speech as i have to play a hockey game but still, i thought rubio was good
No Artosis, you are robin
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-31 02:36:58
August 31 2012 02:35 GMT
#7442
On August 31 2012 11:33 Stratos_speAr wrote:
I also don't understand why so many Americans have a reverence for the Founding Fathers and the Constitution that is comparable to how Christians revere the Bible. Obviously the Constitution is very important; you need to have something to lay the foundation for a country's laws and policies, but the damn thing was written by people and was written several hundred years ago. Not only that, the Founding Fathers were incredibly flawed people as well.

The American people are obsessed with a document and hero centric national narrative, it is part of the national consciousness.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
BluePanther
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2776 Posts
August 31 2012 02:35 GMT
#7443
On August 31 2012 11:33 Stratos_speAr wrote:
I also don't understand why so many Americans have a reverence for the Founding Fathers and the Constitution that is comparable to how Christians revere the Bible. Obviously the Constitution is very important; you need to have something to lay the foundation for a country's laws and policies, but the damn thing was written by people and was written several hundred years ago. Not only that, the Founding Fathers were incredibly flawed people as well.


It is a ground-breaking political document. Revolutionary, really. Personally I think it's time to revise it, but it is one of the most significant documents in modern history.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
August 31 2012 02:36 GMT
#7444
On August 31 2012 11:35 BluePanther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 11:33 Stratos_speAr wrote:
I also don't understand why so many Americans have a reverence for the Founding Fathers and the Constitution that is comparable to how Christians revere the Bible. Obviously the Constitution is very important; you need to have something to lay the foundation for a country's laws and policies, but the damn thing was written by people and was written several hundred years ago. Not only that, the Founding Fathers were incredibly flawed people as well.


It is a ground-breaking political document. Revolutionary, really. Personally I think it's time to revise it, but it is one of the most significant documents in modern history.


Of course it is, but it's still blown way out of proportion.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11607 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-31 02:37:40
August 31 2012 02:37 GMT
#7445
On August 31 2012 11:33 Stratos_speAr wrote:
I also don't understand why so many Americans have a reverence for the Founding Fathers and the Constitution that is comparable to how Christians revere the Bible. Obviously the Constitution is very important; you need to have something to lay the foundation for a country's laws and policies, but the damn thing was written by people and was written several hundred years ago. Not only that, the Founding Fathers were incredibly flawed people as well.

The Constitution is the special revelation from heaven to make America, the world's last hope yo. All else has fallen to darkness, but still America stands as the final, shining beacon.
ModeratorWake me up when Trump's term is finished. Slava Ukraini.
BluePanther
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2776 Posts
August 31 2012 02:37 GMT
#7446
On August 31 2012 11:36 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 11:35 BluePanther wrote:
On August 31 2012 11:33 Stratos_speAr wrote:
I also don't understand why so many Americans have a reverence for the Founding Fathers and the Constitution that is comparable to how Christians revere the Bible. Obviously the Constitution is very important; you need to have something to lay the foundation for a country's laws and policies, but the damn thing was written by people and was written several hundred years ago. Not only that, the Founding Fathers were incredibly flawed people as well.


It is a ground-breaking political document. Revolutionary, really. Personally I think it's time to revise it, but it is one of the most significant documents in modern history.


Of course it is, but it's still blown way out of proportion.

It structures our entire legal system, our rights, and drives our entire nation's existence... I'm not sure how you find it blown out of proportion....
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-31 02:39:17
August 31 2012 02:38 GMT
#7447
Romney just doesn't have the presence of a leader. He looks kind of small, slouched, and stiff up there.


It structures our entire legal system, our rights, and drives our entire nation's existence... I'm not sure how you find it blown out of proportion....


It doesn't drive our nation's existence, and that's the problem. People need to see this. The people in this country drive its existence and it needs to be able to adapt to modern times, which it really isn't very good at dealing with at the moment.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
August 31 2012 02:38 GMT
#7448
On August 31 2012 11:37 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 11:33 Stratos_speAr wrote:
I also don't understand why so many Americans have a reverence for the Founding Fathers and the Constitution that is comparable to how Christians revere the Bible. Obviously the Constitution is very important; you need to have something to lay the foundation for a country's laws and policies, but the damn thing was written by people and was written several hundred years ago. Not only that, the Founding Fathers were incredibly flawed people as well.

The Constitution is the special revelation from heaven to make America, the world's last hope yo. All else has fallen to darkness, but still America stands as the final, shining beacon.


The Constitution: it's the tits.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
August 31 2012 02:39 GMT
#7449
On August 31 2012 11:37 BluePanther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 11:36 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On August 31 2012 11:35 BluePanther wrote:
On August 31 2012 11:33 Stratos_speAr wrote:
I also don't understand why so many Americans have a reverence for the Founding Fathers and the Constitution that is comparable to how Christians revere the Bible. Obviously the Constitution is very important; you need to have something to lay the foundation for a country's laws and policies, but the damn thing was written by people and was written several hundred years ago. Not only that, the Founding Fathers were incredibly flawed people as well.


It is a ground-breaking political document. Revolutionary, really. Personally I think it's time to revise it, but it is one of the most significant documents in modern history.


Of course it is, but it's still blown way out of proportion.

It structures our entire legal system, our rights, and drives our entire nation's existence... I'm not sure how you find it blown out of proportion....

I'd say that part especially is up for a great deal of debate.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
August 31 2012 02:39 GMT
#7450
On August 31 2012 10:50 kwizach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 10:35 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On August 31 2012 10:24 kwizach wrote:
On August 31 2012 10:18 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On August 31 2012 10:16 kwizach wrote:
On August 31 2012 10:12 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On August 31 2012 10:08 kwizach wrote:
On August 31 2012 10:02 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On August 31 2012 09:48 kwizach wrote:
On August 31 2012 09:35 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
[quote]

That's not what they did!

They just took 5 line items out of a CBO report and chucked them into a graph that 'explains' the deficit.

That is what they did. Or do you in mind any other individual policy enacted under Bush or Obama that had a bigger impact?

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Ignoring changes in the economy the Bush tax cuts and wars explained about 1/3 of the change in the budget situation from 2001 to 2011. The CBPP report either ignores the other 2/3 factors or includes it in the tax cuts and wars (interest).

You realize that the only two specific policies that appear on that graph are the Bush tax cuts and the wars, right?

You realize that's irrelevant, right?

You realize that the reason it's not irrelevant is that it's precisely what the article is about, namely pointing out the impact of the policies of the Bush and Obama administrations that weighted and will weight the most on the deficit?


So if the Bush tax cuts were passed one bit at a time we could ignore their impact on the deficit?

Is there something called the "Bush tax cuts", or is that a made-up term for something fictional?
Since they exist, their impact can be evaluated. That's what the article did.


Their impact can certainly be evaluated. I'm pointing out that their evaluation was faulty.

$1 in Bush tax cuts and war cannot be assumed to be $1 in new deficits. If you want to make that assumption it must be justified. The article does not justify it, neither do you.

Their evaluation was not faulty. Nobody is saying that $1 in Bush tax cuts = $1 in deficits. The point the article makes is that the scope of their impact is sufficient to greatly reduce the deficit if they were to disappear (all other things being equal).

The point of the article is to make the Bush tax cuts and wars look more responsible for the deficits than they really are.

If the point of the article was to argue for the removal of the Bush tax cuts because they are bad, then the article would have bothered to explain why the tax cuts are bad.

heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-31 02:43:51
August 31 2012 02:39 GMT
#7451
Had to stop watching the live rnc feed. Got tired of it.

Stopped when he kept going on and on about how we are the best country and ..."we shouldn't make America like the whole world. We should help to make the whole world like America." Here we go again with the whole America should save other nations. Tired of subtly belittling other countries.

Guess Finland, Norway and Sweden systems are inferior.

edit:

On August 31 2012 11:37 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 11:33 Stratos_speAr wrote:
I also don't understand why so many Americans have a reverence for the Founding Fathers and the Constitution that is comparable to how Christians revere the Bible. Obviously the Constitution is very important; you need to have something to lay the foundation for a country's laws and policies, but the damn thing was written by people and was written several hundred years ago. Not only that, the Founding Fathers were incredibly flawed people as well.

The Constitution is the special revelation from heaven to make America, the world's last hope yo. All else has fallen to darkness, but still America stands as the final, shining beacon.

^^this
The value doesn't lie in the document or the creation of the "democracy" but everyone get hyped up when people portray America to be this...sole unique country that has a democracy. We are free and we are the land of the opportunity if you can get past the corruption that goes up the ass here
wat wat in my pants
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
August 31 2012 02:42 GMT
#7452
On August 31 2012 11:39 heroyi wrote:

Guess Finland, Norway and Sweden should start modeling after the U.S


Nah, lack of decent job opportunity, healthcare, and education makes me stronger. School of hard knocks yo
~ ~ <°)))><~ ~ ~
Deathmanbob
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2356 Posts
August 31 2012 02:43 GMT
#7453
2 jobs at 9 bucks a hour! USA! USA!

guys that chant isnt good after every line
No Artosis, you are robin
Fake)Plants
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States373 Posts
August 31 2012 02:44 GMT
#7454
"I wish Obama had succeeded because I want American to succeed."

Yeah, but then you wouldn't be applying for such a sweet new job man!
Q( ' '(Q
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
August 31 2012 02:44 GMT
#7455
hmmmmm there's something a little weird about Romney's presence ... even when he's 'angry' he wears this default expression of a bland smile ... it's bizarre.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11607 Posts
August 31 2012 02:45 GMT
#7456
On August 31 2012 11:43 Deathmanbob wrote:
2 jobs at 9 bucks a hour! USA! USA!

guys that chant isnt good after every line

"To make ends meet, you need to work two jobs without benefits." MURICA!

Yeah, need to time those chants a little better.
ModeratorWake me up when Trump's term is finished. Slava Ukraini.
screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
August 31 2012 02:45 GMT
#7457
LukeRussert Code Pink protestors just removed, chanting "People over profits." #GOP2012 #Nbcpolitics
MMT University is coming! http://www.mmtuniversity.org/
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
August 31 2012 02:47 GMT
#7458
All these democrats and liberals crapping on American exceptionalism in this thread.... And they wonder why conservatives question their patriotism.
TotalBalanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada475 Posts
August 31 2012 02:47 GMT
#7459
Why do American jobs pay so little? 9 bucks an hour? my friends who work as dishwashers for local restaurants get paid more then that. The employers are even nice enough to pay everyone above the minimum wage.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
August 31 2012 02:47 GMT
#7460
Fuck ... Americans really waste a lot of time talking about how awesome America is. LOL. Overcompensating much?
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