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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On November 06 2012 08:50 oneofthem wrote: man i just found out glenn beck is a mormon, and he converted into it. how is that even possible? i used to think of mormons as this harmless group of utah jehova witness type groups, but it seems like they are like a better organized scientology. this is some shady shit you drew this conclusion because Glenn Beck converted to Mormonism like.... 15 years ago? how does that follow? | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
This election is going to be a nail biter. | ||
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mynameisgreat11
599 Posts
LDS church earns about $7 billion annually. Tax free! USA! USA! | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
it's a testament to the power of a close knit community with strong, self enforced beliefs. as well as the irrationality and brutality of these groups, a part of the reason for their survival. | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
edit: This concludes my Mr. Mod speeches go back to your regularly scheduled programming. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On November 06 2012 08:51 p4NDemik wrote: I really am tired of conspiracy theories, both from those leaning left and right. From here on out keep this shit out of the thread. Stick to real policies that are in place, not hypothetical doomsday fraud or pollster bias situations. On November 06 2012 08:54 p4NDemik wrote: If you bring a sensationalist story here from a left or right leaning news source, you will be held accountable for not reading it critically and looking into it's legitimacy. Go to /r/politics, they post a lot of this shit and pretty much every story I have read has amounted to a gross exaggeration or flat out misrepresentation of what actually happened. Are we allowed to discuss policies actually being put in place and legal actions being taken? Such as the legal action against Ohio Secretary of State Husted's last ballot policy? | ||
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ey215
United States546 Posts
All fine and good, until you consider that provisional ballots start being counted 10 days after the election. As the President won Ohio by roughly 250k votes in 2008 there is chance that Ohio could still be outstanding. Yes this possibility was discussed a couple of weeks ago, but now that actual absentee ballot return numbers are known it looks to be a greater possibility. The good news as I see it is that I doubt that a large number of that 200k will actually turn up to vote. God help us if they do. Nightmare Scenario | ||
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farvacola
United States18818 Posts
Warning: The following is highly polarizing and very biased. I have been politically active since my college days as a member of the University of Texas Young Republicans. Though not a Bush supporter, over the years I worked in countless Republican campaigns, including those of Senator Tower, Governor Bill Clements, Hank Grover, Presidents Nixon and Ford, and though he resigned from his presidential campaign before the Texas primary, John Connally. Though moderates by today's standards, these Republicans do not constitute a rogues' gallery of liberals. I have since become an Independent. I feel that the Republican Party has dramatically turned away from the Grand Old Party (GOP) of old. Since President Reagan, I have supported both President Bush I and II's opponents, President Clinton and Senator McCain. This year, I am supporting President Obama and all the Democratic candidates for whom I can vote. The Republican Party has crossed the Rubicon. When Caesar crossed the Rubicon, he destroyed the remaining dregs of the Roman Republic. If we do not punish the Republican Party's crossing, our appeasement may contribute to destroying the American Republic. Time for a Visit to the Woodshed | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On November 06 2012 08:59 kwizach wrote: Are we allowed to discuss policies actually being put in place and legal actions being taken? Such as the legal action against Ohio Secretary of State Husted's last ballot policy? If it is on the record and was either put forward in legislation, proposed legislation, court cases, or lawsuits, by all means. There is a difference between an unsubstantiated claim and something that is on the public record. Be fully aware of what you are writing and when you are going beyond discussing a news development, and assuming the worst about a situation without the necessary proof to back it up. | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
does anyone else think it's a bit ridiculous that with all the attention being paid to the various voter-ID laws or whatever, that there are STILL problems with getting our deployed-military the absentee ballots they need? I haven't seen much evidence that it's as big a problem as it's been in the past, but supposedly the requests are down by like 70% in some swing states. obviously it's a personal choice for our service members, and if they don't want to vote, they don't have to. but I think we should do everything we can to help them get their vote counted and get registered if they do want to vote, especially considering they have more on the line here than anyone else, pretty much. 70% just seems really high to me... maybe there is something here I'm not seeing though. like I said, I'm not trying to throw out a conspiracy theory, and I do think everyone, including the DoD, is doing everything they can to get the ballots out there, but I think we should try harder. this is a Fox News article, so take the commentary with a grain of salt (I'm only posting it because it talks about the 70% claim, I'm not necessarily alleging what they're alleging): http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/01/military-ballot-requests-down-in-key-battleground-states/ I did read somewhere else (i'll try to find it) that a big part of this is a decrease in actual soldiers being deployed, so keep that in mind too. | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On November 06 2012 09:07 farvacola wrote: I was reading through some election blogs today, and I found this one of particular note, in that the author uses some interesting language to discuss what Romney's possible election failure means to the Republican Party, and more generally what this campaign has signified in terms of a shift in Republican partisan politics. Warning: The following is highly polarizing and very biased. Time for a Visit to the Woodshed This article starts out fairly reasonable then goes completely over the top crazy by the halfway mark. Bait and switch. | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On November 06 2012 09:11 sc2superfan101 wrote: Disclaimer: I'm not calling it a conspiracy, nor do I think it is a widespread problem. Further, I do not think it is indicative of any one party's behavior or policy. does anyone else think it's a bit ridiculous that with all the attention being paid to the various voter-ID laws or whatever, that there are STILL problems with getting our deployed-military the absentee ballots they need? I haven't seen much evidence that it's as big a problem as it's been in the past, but supposedly the requests are down by like 70% in some swing states. obviously it's a personal choice for our service members, and if they don't want to vote, they don't have to. but I think we should do everything we can to help them get their vote counted and get registered if they do want to vote, especially considering they have more on the line here than anyone else, pretty much. 70% just seems really high to me... maybe there is something here I'm not seeing though. like I said, I'm not trying to throw out a conspiracy theory, and I do think everyone, including the DoD, is doing everything they can to get the ballots out there, but I think we should try harder. this is a Fox News article, so take the commentary with a grain of salt (I'm only posting it because it talks about the 70% claim, I'm not necessarily alleging what they're alleging): http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/01/military-ballot-requests-down-in-key-battleground-states/ I did read somewhere else (i'll try to find it) that a big part of this is a decrease in actual soldiers being deployed, so keep that in mind too. I thought that the huge decline in military absentee ballots was due to the huge decline in soldiers actually deployed overseas? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On November 06 2012 09:22 jdseemoreglass wrote: I thought that the huge decline in military absentee ballots was due to the huge decline in soldiers actually deployed overseas? Couldn't be something so simple as that. | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On November 06 2012 09:22 jdseemoreglass wrote: I thought that the huge decline in military absentee ballots was due to the huge decline in soldiers actually deployed overseas? it seems that a big part of it is, but that there is still the age-old problem of getting hundreds of thousands of votes into a war-zone and back again in time for the election. it's never a huge problem, and certainly never enough to make any kind of real difference (I think), but it's one of those things that I always get annoyed by. even if it's inevitable that there will be problems with military voting, it still makes me angry. these are the men and women who deserve the vote most, and a lot of times they can't get their votes in. | ||
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farvacola
United States18818 Posts
On November 06 2012 09:17 p4NDemik wrote: This article starts out fairly reasonable then goes completely over the top crazy by the halfway mark. Bait and switch. Yeah, I definitely agree with you there. This blog struck me as rather hasty and pointed, but of a perspective unlike my own so I can only second guess his exaggeration so much, meaning I genuinely wonder how many Republican minded folk have similar, if not less pointed, opinions. It also struck me as hilarious that the vast majority of political blogs published today, save for a few and regardless of party affiliation, have been written so hastily and with such narrow verve; it's as though they've stopped trying. | ||
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KlinKz
Canada149 Posts
On November 06 2012 09:22 jdseemoreglass wrote: I thought that the huge decline in military absentee ballots was due to the huge decline in soldiers actually deployed overseas? I really do love your logical thinking, and I cannot believe someone would take FOX network serious. I wish the public would understand or learn that Fox network isnt a real news network. It is an entertainment network. PS: I do believe military votes can be made while they are in afgan or stationed in germany, etc etc | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On November 06 2012 09:27 KlinKz wrote: I really do love your logical thinking, and I cannot believe someone would take FOX network serious. I wish the public would understand or learn that Fox network isnt a real news network. It is an entertainment network. PS: I do believe military votes can be made while they are in afgan or stationed in germany, etc etc do you even watch Fox news? edit: I also did reference the fact that there are less troops deployed overseas and that this contributes to the decline... and I referenced this in the very first post I made on the subject so.... edit 2: I also did point out that I don't think it's a widespread problem, nor a problem caused by intention... | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
Source (wikipedia cites the U.S. State Dept if you are wondering) | ||
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