Shin Dong-hyuk and the Escape from Camp 14 - Page 3

On April 15 2012 19:22 shaftofpleasure wrote:


We don't have abundance of resources here so I doubt U.N.'s Big 5 would care about it.

On April 15 2012 18:56 TehPrime wrote:

They've successfully tested missiles back in 2006 and 2009. This is their very first rocket failure.

On April 15 2012 16:29 Chaosvuistje wrote:


Because the situation is a lot more complicated than 'lets fight the evil guys'. A quick list:

- Hundreds of artillery pieces aimed at the capitol of South Korea, ready to devastate it like a person held hostage
- Three major world powers coming close together in that area of the world
- Millions of low skilled refugees that we can't just all get rid of with a gun, the country taking in these refugees would take a big economic hit

Sitting back and hoping the regime collapses into itself is far less taxing on human life as a full scale invasion would be.

On April 15 2012 22:06 ninini wrote:

200k North Korean soldiers killed, or 20k innocents killed every year? You pick. And what about freedom? The world have the ability to grant the 25 million North Korean ppl the freedom that they never had. It's been obvious for over 20 years that the North Korean regime have been extremely oppressive towards their ppl.

What would you do if you saw some guys beat up someone in the streets? It's your duty to help him, even if it means that you get caught up in a fight that you had nothing to do with. Ppl these days are so spineless and selfish. They're only willing to help the weak if they don't have to make sacrifices of their own.

Diplomatic relations should always be the first focus, but there comes a point when enough is enough, because you have to think about the ongoing suffering. If a parent in the western world abuses their children, then the authorities will takes over custody against their will, so why should the UN accept North Korea? By common moral standards it's a invalid regime, so it's our obligation to take it down.

On April 15 2012 19:45 shaftofpleasure wrote:


I kid .... no I don't live in NK neither would i like to live in NK.

What I mean to say is that NK doesn't interest other countries because it doesn't have resources on its land.

Obvious the nation is oppressed and brainwashed but I never heard of anything like that happening (not in such richness) in USSR. At least there was some protection and moral ground for citizens, this is just brutal.

On April 15 2012 22:06 ninini wrote:

200k North Korean soldiers killed, or 20k innocents killed every year? You pick. And what about freedom? The world have the ability to grant the 25 million North Korean ppl the freedom that they never had. It's been obvious for over 20 years that the North Korean regime have been extremely oppressive towards their ppl.

What would you do if you saw some guys beat up someone in the streets? It's your duty to help him, even if it means that you get caught up in a fight that you had nothing to do with. Ppl these days are so spineless and selfish. They're only willing to help the weak if they don't have to make sacrifices of their own.

Diplomatic relations should always be the first focus, but there comes a point when enough is enough, because you have to think about the ongoing suffering. If a parent in the western world abuses their children, then the authorities will takes over custody against their will, so why should the UN accept North Korea? By common moral standards it's a invalid regime, so it's our obligation to take it down.

On April 15 2012 14:50 Antimatterz wrote:
Seriously, why the fuck doesn't the rest of the world (everyone not N.K) do something about this? We are sitting here, watching a country that we could probably take over, just torture the shit out of its people and threaten world peace.

On April 15 2012 14:50 Antimatterz wrote:
Seriously, why the fuck doesn't the rest of the world (everyone not N.K) do something about this? We are sitting here, watching a country that we could probably take over, just torture the shit out of its people and threaten world peace.

On April 16 2012 01:03 IrOnKaL wrote:

Last I checked North Korea has around the third largest army in the world.

On April 16 2012 01:14 gruff wrote:

"Largest" is a relative term.

On April 16 2012 00:50 ElMeanYo wrote:


Mini, I agree with you whole heatedly here. Although the analogy of bully-victim-bystander is a good one, it breaks down when talking about the NK-SK situation. Like previous posters mentioned, Seoul is in the cross-hairs of NKs army with it being so close to the border. Should war break out, 100s of artillery pieces are waiting to rain down death upon them. Who's to know if some of them are not already nuclear armed?

Secondly is their relationship with China. China supports NK economically and militarily by trading with the regime which is why international sanctions have not been effective. Any overthrow of the NK government without Chinas approval has the risk of elevating to war with them as well.

And lastly there are the casualties of war itself. Civilians will no doubt get caught in the crossfire, or even be placed there by the NK government themselves. Remember when Saddam was hiding his weapon caches and military installations near schools and mosques? Do you think the NK government wouldn't stoop to that?

Then there is the problem of what you do with North Koreans should you succeed in their liberation. Think of the millions of refugees there would be who are culturally and economically way behind their southern counterparts. The two countries would have to be merged somehow but in the meantime there would be lawlessness and chaos.

No doubt their situation is a difficult one with no clear solution. So sadly right now the world waits and prays for the NK people.

On April 16 2012 01:03 IrOnKaL wrote:

Last I checked North Korea has around the third largest army in the world.

On April 16 2012 02:04 ninini wrote:


People are overestimating China's role. Only weeks before Kim Jong Il died, he traveled to China to meet with some chinese politicians, and considering he had been ill for a while, it shows desperation from their part. It would make sense that he would stay at home, and send out a representative instead. This shows that China doesn't really take NK seriously, or atleast aren't very close. China is not a threat to USA. They don't have a strong enough army to take them on, and they don't want to either. NK haven't been "trading" weapons since the Iron Curtain fell. Their army relies on old russian weaponry from the 80's, which even back then was slightly behind the US weaponry. China will never declare war on USA, and USA will never declare war on China, irregardless of the NK situation.

Anyway, as far as Seoul goes. They are or atleast should be prepared for the North Korean artillery. The thing is, North Korea have no fuel and their air-force is a joke, while SK and USA are the two world leaders in air technology. In these days you win wars with air. If war broke out, the ppl of Seoul would just have to be situated at bomb shelters for a few days max, while waiting for the US/SK airforce to take out all of the North Korean rocketry. This would be similar to what happened in Libya. Economic damage is inevitable, but how could anyone value a couple of skyscrapers over the freedom of 25 million ppl? Concerning who should be paying to build up North Korea afterwards is irrelevant too, since it's just a question of money, but for starters, South Korea's military budget is around half of North Koreas total GDP. North Korea's production is mostly slavery anyway, especially the mining industry.