Shin Dong-hyuk and the Escape from Camp 14 - Page 4

On April 15 2012 16:14 Otolia wrote:
Seeing the number of people who would accept yet another invasion of a foreign country is really frightening me. A whole country being oppressed isn't a sufficient reason to start a war and massacre them.

On April 16 2012 03:06 Little Rage Box wrote:
Words really cannot describe the feelings I have after reading this idiotic statement. First off going to war with NK would not assure the massacre of civilains. In fact I would go as far to say that going to war with NK would see less civilain deaths during combat, than are executed by the regime each year.

On April 16 2012 03:06 Little Rage Box wrote:



Words really cannot describe the feelings I have after reading this idiotic statement. First off going to war with NK would not assure the massacre of civilains. In fact I would go as far to say that going to war with NK would see less civilain deaths during combat, than are executed by the regime each year.

And do you truly think that parents of young children in NK wouldnt lay down their lives so that their children could be free? But the thing that sticks out most to me is that you don't think freedom is something that needs to be fought and sacrificed for.

Whish only helps to reinforce my (hopefully incorrect stereotype) that the French are nothing more than spineless hippies who think you can just reason with madmen. Like I said I hope thats incorrect, but your statement seems to indicate otherwise.

On April 16 2012 02:56 Froadac wrote:
I bought this book as an ebook last night: finished it last night too. (Slept at like 2 lol) Quite an excellent read though. Left me wanting for more, is a truly sad story.

On April 16 2012 06:40 Ramong wrote:
As far as I know China is actually more interested in getting rid of north Korea and having a unified Korea under south Korean rule.
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Chinas biggest concern is the likely hundreds of thousand refugees that would stream into China from North Korea in the event of a war.

North Korea accounts for 40% of China's foreign aid budget and 50,000 tonnes of oil exports per month to maintain a buffer state against Japan, South Korea, and the United States, but these three nations are no longer China's enemies.


I am not saying a war against North Korea is a good idea, I would say I am against it if I had to take a stance, but most of the world is for a unification, China included.

On April 16 2012 08:17 mastergriggy wrote:


I could see China wishing to cut ties with NK. Since they are looking to become a world power, it seems like a good idea to remove NK as allies as the rest of the world isn't too fond of them.

It's despicable that these types of camps still exist. I'm honestly surprised that the citizens of NK haven't attempted some sort of resistance to this, but I could just be ignorant of the facts. Gives me some things to research at least.

On April 16 2012 08:33 Jisall wrote:
China likes that they have a communist neighbor in North Korea. Russia also enjoyed that, and they support North Korea. North Korea has always been known for not being a stand-up nation.
Nothing we can do about it because of world politics and countries using Korea to leverage power.

On April 16 2012 08:32 OptimusYale wrote:
The reason they don't go to war to do something is mainly because it would be an incredibly difficult war to win. There are not many wars you see with one of the engaged countries sitting right next door to the country your fighting. When was the last time you saw america fight Canada or something similar? The world has reached a stage where wars CANNOT be afforded to be fought in countries which support the global economy. We're in a different world from WWII.

And before people think 'NK EZPZ' you are so horribly wrong. First of all check out how far the NK push got in SK in the 50's war before the US eventually helped SK push back up to where it is now. It was not an easy war by a long shot, and tbh the SK then and now are completely different in terms of world affairs.

The true way to disassemble NK is by China removing all assistance from the country, thus causing the country to go into disarray. Unfortunately there would be many deaths with the public starving and stuff, but it would be the only way. If China maybe allowed refugees to live near the border of NK during any unrest, with monetary aid from South Korea and the UN to help assist China in dealing with the exodus, it could work.

However eliminating NK all together would be bad for all the countries involved in the peninsula. What would be better is for NK to remain largely independent, with a large educational boost from both China and South Korea to help the acclimatize to the modern world. Allow NK to develop it's own industries with investment from any country or company willing to invest. Those companies would then take responsibility of developing the area around the factories (similar to what some companies do in Africa, like create decent homes and schools for their work force to use).

On April 16 2012 02:04 ninini wrote:


People are overestimating China's role. Only weeks before Kim Jong Il died, he traveled to China to meet with some chinese politicians, and considering he had been ill for a while, it shows desperation from their part. It would make sense that he would stay at home, and send out a representative instead. This shows that China doesn't really take NK seriously, or atleast aren't very close. China is not a threat to USA. They don't have a strong enough army to take them on, and they don't want to either. NK haven't been "trading" weapons since the Iron Curtain fell. Their army relies on old russian weaponry from the 80's, which even back then was slightly behind the US weaponry. China will never declare war on USA, and USA will never declare war on China, irregardless of the NK situation.

Anyway, as far as Seoul goes. They are or atleast should be prepared for the North Korean artillery. The thing is, North Korea have no fuel and their air-force is a joke, while SK and USA are the two world leaders in air technology. In these days you win wars with air. If war broke out, the ppl of Seoul would just have to be situated at bomb shelters for a few days max, while waiting for the US/SK airforce to take out all of the North Korean rocketry. This would be similar to what happened in Libya. Economic damage is inevitable, but how could anyone value a couple of skyscrapers over the freedom of 25 million ppl? Concerning who should be paying to build up North Korea afterwards is irrelevant too, since it's just a question of money, but for starters, South Korea's military budget is around half of North Koreas total GDP. North Korea's production is mostly slavery anyway, especially the mining industry.

On April 16 2012 08:42 Ramong wrote:

but that is where you are wrong...

China at least DON'T like how North Korea does things.
North Korea is a great embarrassment to China and a big money sink.

Also the reason China was for North Korea in the past was as a buffer state against Japan and USA, those countries a no longer real enemies of China so North Korea is obsolete.

As you can see in my post a couple of replies further up, China has officially confirmed they would rather have a North Korea under a South Korean rule than the current North Korea.

But it ain't easy, invading North Korea would cost the death of many peoples life, many times greater than Afghanistan and Irak, and is not a real possibility.

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On April 16 2012 09:31 Nancial wrote:
Why the hell does someone think Russia cares about NK ? :D
Afaik that's ignorant.

On April 16 2012 08:42 Ramong wrote:

but that is where you are wrong...

China at least DON'T like how North Korea does things.
North Korea is a great embarrassment to China and a big money sink.

Also the reason China was for North Korea in the past was as a buffer state against Japan and USA, those countries a no longer real enemies of China so North Korea is obsolete.

As you can see in my post a couple of replies further up, China has officially confirmed they would rather have a North Korea under a South Korean rule than the current North Korea.

But it ain't easy, invading North Korea would cost the death of many peoples life, many times greater than Afghanistan and Irak, and is not a real possibility.

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