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On July 09 2013 03:35 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 03:33 Sabu113 wrote:
Lawyers: What's the purpose of asking all the questions about every witness' background, experience, history owning a gym etc? Does it just relax the witness or is there some credibility reason to do this? foundation to support his testimony and opinions. he is going to probably say that zimmerman is a fat ass and wasnt good at MMA.
At the time GZ was quite a bit lighter. Having dealt with a lot of drug users his transformation over the months leading up to the trial scream former Meth user.
But that's speculation.
Also... See: Roy Nelson
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On July 09 2013 03:32 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 03:30 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:29 farvacola wrote:On July 09 2013 03:26 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:23 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 09 2013 03:18 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:09 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 09 2013 03:06 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:02 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 09 2013 02:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Punishing his wife would be pretty fucking petty imo. dont lie. i can't believe how stupid they were. People perjure themselves all the time and go unpunished, the only reason they would go after Zimmerman's wife is because of the politics/spite. they dont punish perjury very often because its incredibly difficult to prove. here, they have these dumbasses on video/tape lying. maybe it is spiteful to prosecute her, but so what? she committed a crime. there is no reason why she should go unpunished because allegedly people are always perjuring themselves--a proposition i find unlikely by the way. You find it unlikely that people lie under oath all the time? Further, I don't see why she should be charged. She didn't hurt anyone. She acted stupidly, and in the end she got her husband stuck back in jail. The whole trial is a farce anyway so I honestly don't care one bit that she lied to the fucking judge and prosecutors who are basically risking her husband's life so that they can avoid a political backlash. they were stupid though. But then again, a $1million bond? WTF? it was originally lower because they lied about their finances. also, there is considerable evidence showing zimmerman was about to flee the country. The prosecution wanted a $1 million dollar bond. They argued they were broke (didn't flatly state any numbers), judge set it lower. Jail records Zimmerman's calls and investigates their finances, Mrs. Zimmerman is arrested for perjury. Zimmerman was put back in jail. I wasn't aware Zimmerman was about to flee, though I couldn't blame him if he had. i am apparently not as big a cynic as you. i do not think people commonly lie under oath. they may fudge/bend the truth; they may misremember facts; etc. but i dont believe people commonly outright lie. nobody was hurt? the system is hurt when we allow people to blatantly lie in court. plus, it doesnt matter if anyone is hurt; its the law. "nobody was harmed" is not a defense to perjury. I'm not mounting a legal defense, nor have I ever said that I was. I am suggesting that it would be immoral to actually go after Zimmerman's wife just because they couldn't get Zimmerman. The fact that this trial is going on right now, and wasn't immediately thrown out with a word to the DA not to bring shit like this into the courtroom, is disturbing and that, in my opinion, justifies any lies Zimmerman's wife may or may not have told. No matter how unwieldy the judicial process may seem, subverting its tenants in pursuit of some sort of external justification does nothing positive. At the risk of "going there": If a Nazi court was asking a harbor-er of Jews, under oath, if he was harboring Jews... should he lie or tell the truth? Obviously we would all say that the legal aspect is irrelevant, that he should definitely lie. Lies can be justified, if the law has failed to remain just. wait, how is the law not being just in this case? Zimmerman killed Trayvon, has to go to court to prove its self defense. His wife lying was her mistake and she should be punished for it (or whatever the court decided).
This is pretty much how I feel, though I have to say that I don't blame her for the way she acted. In the beginning when the media got a hold of this case, they literally smeared the guys name to the point the family was receiving threats. If I was her, I would have done the same thing. Daph said that she was being prosecuted for perjury well before the case against Zimmerman started going downhill so that makes it a little better imo, it makes less about revenge and trying to ruin someone else's life just because of a lost case, and more about upholding the law.
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On July 09 2013 03:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 03:34 farvacola wrote:On July 09 2013 03:30 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:29 farvacola wrote:On July 09 2013 03:26 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:23 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 09 2013 03:18 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:09 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 09 2013 03:06 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:02 dAPhREAk wrote:
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dont lie. i can't believe how stupid they were. People perjure themselves all the time and go unpunished, the only reason they would go after Zimmerman's wife is because of the politics/spite. they dont punish perjury very often because its incredibly difficult to prove. here, they have these dumbasses on video/tape lying. maybe it is spiteful to prosecute her, but so what? she committed a crime. there is no reason why she should go unpunished because allegedly people are always perjuring themselves--a proposition i find unlikely by the way. You find it unlikely that people lie under oath all the time? Further, I don't see why she should be charged. She didn't hurt anyone. She acted stupidly, and in the end she got her husband stuck back in jail. The whole trial is a farce anyway so I honestly don't care one bit that she lied to the fucking judge and prosecutors who are basically risking her husband's life so that they can avoid a political backlash. they were stupid though. But then again, a $1million bond? WTF? it was originally lower because they lied about their finances. also, there is considerable evidence showing zimmerman was about to flee the country. The prosecution wanted a $1 million dollar bond. They argued they were broke (didn't flatly state any numbers), judge set it lower. Jail records Zimmerman's calls and investigates their finances, Mrs. Zimmerman is arrested for perjury. Zimmerman was put back in jail. I wasn't aware Zimmerman was about to flee, though I couldn't blame him if he had. i am apparently not as big a cynic as you. i do not think people commonly lie under oath. they may fudge/bend the truth; they may misremember facts; etc. but i dont believe people commonly outright lie. nobody was hurt? the system is hurt when we allow people to blatantly lie in court. plus, it doesnt matter if anyone is hurt; its the law. "nobody was harmed" is not a defense to perjury. I'm not mounting a legal defense, nor have I ever said that I was. I am suggesting that it would be immoral to actually go after Zimmerman's wife just because they couldn't get Zimmerman. The fact that this trial is going on right now, and wasn't immediately thrown out with a word to the DA not to bring shit like this into the courtroom, is disturbing and that, in my opinion, justifies any lies Zimmerman's wife may or may not have told. No matter how unwieldy the judicial process may seem, subverting its tenants in pursuit of some sort of external justification does nothing positive. At the risk of "going there": If a Nazi court was asking a harbor-er of Jews, under oath, if he was harboring Jews... should he lie or tell the truth? Obviously we would all say that the legal aspect is irrelevant, that he should definitely lie. Lies can be justified, if the law has failed to remain just. I think you're well aware of just how short that analogy comes in regards to being relative to the case at hand. Floridian courts may not be shining exemplars of the US justice system, but even they are a far cry from whatever a Nazi court would be. Like I said, it was an obviously extreme example to prevent any argument against the idea that lying under oath is ALWAYS wrong/should be punished. Focusing on the example itself is ridiculous.
It really isn't ridiculous though, due in large part to the predication of resistance on the potential "wrongfulness" of a given judicial system. In Nazi court land, lying under oath might be justified, as it would seem reasonable to assume that other societal/governmental factors are at play in determining the sanctity of the judicial process. Contrary to the beliefs of many in this thread, the case against the state bringing this case to trial is not as open and shut as many would make it seem, and it is along those lines that lying under oath in resistance is patently unacceptable.
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On July 09 2013 03:36 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 03:33 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:32 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 09 2013 03:30 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:29 farvacola wrote:On July 09 2013 03:26 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:23 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 09 2013 03:18 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:09 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 09 2013 03:06 sc2superfan101 wrote:
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People perjure themselves all the time and go unpunished, the only reason they would go after Zimmerman's wife is because of the politics/spite. they dont punish perjury very often because its incredibly difficult to prove. here, they have these dumbasses on video/tape lying. maybe it is spiteful to prosecute her, but so what? she committed a crime. there is no reason why she should go unpunished because allegedly people are always perjuring themselves--a proposition i find unlikely by the way. You find it unlikely that people lie under oath all the time? Further, I don't see why she should be charged. She didn't hurt anyone. She acted stupidly, and in the end she got her husband stuck back in jail. The whole trial is a farce anyway so I honestly don't care one bit that she lied to the fucking judge and prosecutors who are basically risking her husband's life so that they can avoid a political backlash. they were stupid though. But then again, a $1million bond? WTF? it was originally lower because they lied about their finances. also, there is considerable evidence showing zimmerman was about to flee the country. The prosecution wanted a $1 million dollar bond. They argued they were broke (didn't flatly state any numbers), judge set it lower. Jail records Zimmerman's calls and investigates their finances, Mrs. Zimmerman is arrested for perjury. Zimmerman was put back in jail. I wasn't aware Zimmerman was about to flee, though I couldn't blame him if he had. i am apparently not as big a cynic as you. i do not think people commonly lie under oath. they may fudge/bend the truth; they may misremember facts; etc. but i dont believe people commonly outright lie. nobody was hurt? the system is hurt when we allow people to blatantly lie in court. plus, it doesnt matter if anyone is hurt; its the law. "nobody was harmed" is not a defense to perjury. I'm not mounting a legal defense, nor have I ever said that I was. I am suggesting that it would be immoral to actually go after Zimmerman's wife just because they couldn't get Zimmerman. The fact that this trial is going on right now, and wasn't immediately thrown out with a word to the DA not to bring shit like this into the courtroom, is disturbing and that, in my opinion, justifies any lies Zimmerman's wife may or may not have told. No matter how unwieldy the judicial process may seem, subverting its tenants in pursuit of some sort of external justification does nothing positive. At the risk of "going there": If a Nazi court was asking a harbor-er of Jews, under oath, if he was harboring Jews... should he lie or tell the truth? Obviously we would all say that the legal aspect is irrelevant, that he should definitely lie. Lies can be justified, if the law has failed to remain just. did you really just go there? REALLY? jesus christ man. You're not understanding... the point isn't the first part, that's just an extreme example to prevent anyone from arguing the underlying premise: lies can sometimes be justified. Now the actual argument is whether this lie was justified. I believe it was. No reasonable DA would ever have brought this case to trial. That is a decision for the Judge and jury, not the prosecution. If the feel it was justified, they can lower the sentence as allowed by law.
No, the DA decides whether they charge or not. Ridiculous charges based entirely upon speculation should NEVER be brought to trial and left up to a jury. To do so is to violate the ethical standard a DA should hold himself/herself to.
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On July 09 2013 03:33 Sabu113 wrote:
Lawyers: What's the purpose of asking all the questions about every witness' background, experience, history owning a gym etc? Does it just relax the witness or is there some credibility reason to do this?
Not a lawyer, but I'd say it's building a rapport with the witness for the jury to better understand where said witness is coming from with his/her answers. If I were to just throw someone up there without establishing that he's well versed in martial arts and start asking him martial arts questions, the jury would question who the hell this guy is and why they should simply take his word for it.
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On July 09 2013 03:38 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 03:35 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 09 2013 03:33 Sabu113 wrote:
Lawyers: What's the purpose of asking all the questions about every witness' background, experience, history owning a gym etc? Does it just relax the witness or is there some credibility reason to do this? foundation to support his testimony and opinions. he is going to probably say that zimmerman is a fat ass and wasnt good at MMA. At the time GZ was quite a bit lighter. Having dealt with a lot of drug users his transformation over the months leading up to the trial scream former Meth user. But that's speculation. Also... See: Roy Nelson
the nurse said he was obese on the day after the fight. it was based on BMI so its not exact science, but thats what she said.
its beginning to sound like this guy doesnt have personal knowledge of zimmerman, but rather is discussing MMA in general and the "ground and pound" style. the initial foundational questions are essential to allowing this testimony.
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On July 09 2013 03:40 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 03:36 Plansix wrote:On July 09 2013 03:33 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:32 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 09 2013 03:30 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:29 farvacola wrote:On July 09 2013 03:26 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:23 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 09 2013 03:18 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:09 dAPhREAk wrote:
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they dont punish perjury very often because its incredibly difficult to prove. here, they have these dumbasses on video/tape lying. maybe it is spiteful to prosecute her, but so what? she committed a crime. there is no reason why she should go unpunished because allegedly people are always perjuring themselves--a proposition i find unlikely by the way. You find it unlikely that people lie under oath all the time? Further, I don't see why she should be charged. She didn't hurt anyone. She acted stupidly, and in the end she got her husband stuck back in jail. The whole trial is a farce anyway so I honestly don't care one bit that she lied to the fucking judge and prosecutors who are basically risking her husband's life so that they can avoid a political backlash.
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it was originally lower because they lied about their finances. also, there is considerable evidence showing zimmerman was about to flee the country.
The prosecution wanted a $1 million dollar bond. They argued they were broke (didn't flatly state any numbers), judge set it lower. Jail records Zimmerman's calls and investigates their finances, Mrs. Zimmerman is arrested for perjury. Zimmerman was put back in jail. I wasn't aware Zimmerman was about to flee, though I couldn't blame him if he had. i am apparently not as big a cynic as you. i do not think people commonly lie under oath. they may fudge/bend the truth; they may misremember facts; etc. but i dont believe people commonly outright lie. nobody was hurt? the system is hurt when we allow people to blatantly lie in court. plus, it doesnt matter if anyone is hurt; its the law. "nobody was harmed" is not a defense to perjury. I'm not mounting a legal defense, nor have I ever said that I was. I am suggesting that it would be immoral to actually go after Zimmerman's wife just because they couldn't get Zimmerman. The fact that this trial is going on right now, and wasn't immediately thrown out with a word to the DA not to bring shit like this into the courtroom, is disturbing and that, in my opinion, justifies any lies Zimmerman's wife may or may not have told. No matter how unwieldy the judicial process may seem, subverting its tenants in pursuit of some sort of external justification does nothing positive. At the risk of "going there": If a Nazi court was asking a harbor-er of Jews, under oath, if he was harboring Jews... should he lie or tell the truth? Obviously we would all say that the legal aspect is irrelevant, that he should definitely lie. Lies can be justified, if the law has failed to remain just. did you really just go there? REALLY? jesus christ man. You're not understanding... the point isn't the first part, that's just an extreme example to prevent anyone from arguing the underlying premise: lies can sometimes be justified. Now the actual argument is whether this lie was justified. I believe it was. No reasonable DA would ever have brought this case to trial. That is a decision for the Judge and jury, not the prosecution. If the feel it was justified, they can lower the sentence as allowed by law. No, the DA decides whether they charge or not. Ridiculous charges based entirely upon speculation should NEVER be brought to trial and left up to a jury. To do so is to violate the ethical standard a DA should hold himself/herself to.
blah blah blah.
judge denied the motion for acquittal based on the law, which means she feels there is a case.
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On July 09 2013 03:38 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 03:35 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 09 2013 03:33 Sabu113 wrote:
Lawyers: What's the purpose of asking all the questions about every witness' background, experience, history owning a gym etc? Does it just relax the witness or is there some credibility reason to do this? foundation to support his testimony and opinions. he is going to probably say that zimmerman is a fat ass and wasnt good at MMA. At the time GZ was quite a bit lighter. Having dealt with a lot of drug users his transformation over the months leading up to the trial scream former Meth user. But that's speculation. Also... See: Roy Nelson
I think he's been really stressed and probably eating a lot thus the extra weight
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On July 09 2013 03:43 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 03:38 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 09 2013 03:35 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 09 2013 03:33 Sabu113 wrote:
Lawyers: What's the purpose of asking all the questions about every witness' background, experience, history owning a gym etc? Does it just relax the witness or is there some credibility reason to do this? foundation to support his testimony and opinions. he is going to probably say that zimmerman is a fat ass and wasnt good at MMA. At the time GZ was quite a bit lighter. Having dealt with a lot of drug users his transformation over the months leading up to the trial scream former Meth user. But that's speculation. Also... See: Roy Nelson I think he's been really stressed and probably eating a lot thus the extra weight
Yeah I don't think Zimmerman is a drug user, I just think he has been very afraid these past months. Not that these fears are unwarranted, but a lot of people eat their stress away.
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On July 09 2013 03:43 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 03:38 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 09 2013 03:35 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 09 2013 03:33 Sabu113 wrote:
Lawyers: What's the purpose of asking all the questions about every witness' background, experience, history owning a gym etc? Does it just relax the witness or is there some credibility reason to do this? foundation to support his testimony and opinions. he is going to probably say that zimmerman is a fat ass and wasnt good at MMA. At the time GZ was quite a bit lighter. Having dealt with a lot of drug users his transformation over the months leading up to the trial scream former Meth user. But that's speculation. Also... See: Roy Nelson I think he's been really stressed and probably eating a lot thus the extra weight
Yeah to be fair my assessment is based off of more than just his weight gain.
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On July 09 2013 03:43 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 03:40 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:36 Plansix wrote:On July 09 2013 03:33 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:32 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 09 2013 03:30 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:29 farvacola wrote:On July 09 2013 03:26 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:23 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 09 2013 03:18 sc2superfan101 wrote:
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You find it unlikely that people lie under oath all the time?
Further, I don't see why she should be charged. She didn't hurt anyone. She acted stupidly, and in the end she got her husband stuck back in jail. The whole trial is a farce anyway so I honestly don't care one bit that she lied to the fucking judge and prosecutors who are basically risking her husband's life so that they can avoid a political backlash.
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The prosecution wanted a $1 million dollar bond. They argued they were broke (didn't flatly state any numbers), judge set it lower. Jail records Zimmerman's calls and investigates their finances, Mrs. Zimmerman is arrested for perjury. Zimmerman was put back in jail.
I wasn't aware Zimmerman was about to flee, though I couldn't blame him if he had. i am apparently not as big a cynic as you. i do not think people commonly lie under oath. they may fudge/bend the truth; they may misremember facts; etc. but i dont believe people commonly outright lie. nobody was hurt? the system is hurt when we allow people to blatantly lie in court. plus, it doesnt matter if anyone is hurt; its the law. "nobody was harmed" is not a defense to perjury. I'm not mounting a legal defense, nor have I ever said that I was. I am suggesting that it would be immoral to actually go after Zimmerman's wife just because they couldn't get Zimmerman. The fact that this trial is going on right now, and wasn't immediately thrown out with a word to the DA not to bring shit like this into the courtroom, is disturbing and that, in my opinion, justifies any lies Zimmerman's wife may or may not have told. No matter how unwieldy the judicial process may seem, subverting its tenants in pursuit of some sort of external justification does nothing positive. At the risk of "going there": If a Nazi court was asking a harbor-er of Jews, under oath, if he was harboring Jews... should he lie or tell the truth? Obviously we would all say that the legal aspect is irrelevant, that he should definitely lie. Lies can be justified, if the law has failed to remain just. did you really just go there? REALLY? jesus christ man. You're not understanding... the point isn't the first part, that's just an extreme example to prevent anyone from arguing the underlying premise: lies can sometimes be justified. Now the actual argument is whether this lie was justified. I believe it was. No reasonable DA would ever have brought this case to trial. That is a decision for the Judge and jury, not the prosecution. If the feel it was justified, they can lower the sentence as allowed by law. No, the DA decides whether they charge or not. Ridiculous charges based entirely upon speculation should NEVER be brought to trial and left up to a jury. To do so is to violate the ethical standard a DA should hold himself/herself to. blah blah blah. judge denied the motion for acquittal based on the law, which means she feels there is a case.
That's his way of saying the Judge doesn't agree with your argument or have ethical problems with it.
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On July 09 2013 03:43 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 03:40 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:36 Plansix wrote:On July 09 2013 03:33 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:32 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 09 2013 03:30 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:29 farvacola wrote:On July 09 2013 03:26 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:23 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 09 2013 03:18 sc2superfan101 wrote:
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You find it unlikely that people lie under oath all the time?
Further, I don't see why she should be charged. She didn't hurt anyone. She acted stupidly, and in the end she got her husband stuck back in jail. The whole trial is a farce anyway so I honestly don't care one bit that she lied to the fucking judge and prosecutors who are basically risking her husband's life so that they can avoid a political backlash.
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The prosecution wanted a $1 million dollar bond. They argued they were broke (didn't flatly state any numbers), judge set it lower. Jail records Zimmerman's calls and investigates their finances, Mrs. Zimmerman is arrested for perjury. Zimmerman was put back in jail.
I wasn't aware Zimmerman was about to flee, though I couldn't blame him if he had. i am apparently not as big a cynic as you. i do not think people commonly lie under oath. they may fudge/bend the truth; they may misremember facts; etc. but i dont believe people commonly outright lie. nobody was hurt? the system is hurt when we allow people to blatantly lie in court. plus, it doesnt matter if anyone is hurt; its the law. "nobody was harmed" is not a defense to perjury. I'm not mounting a legal defense, nor have I ever said that I was. I am suggesting that it would be immoral to actually go after Zimmerman's wife just because they couldn't get Zimmerman. The fact that this trial is going on right now, and wasn't immediately thrown out with a word to the DA not to bring shit like this into the courtroom, is disturbing and that, in my opinion, justifies any lies Zimmerman's wife may or may not have told. No matter how unwieldy the judicial process may seem, subverting its tenants in pursuit of some sort of external justification does nothing positive. At the risk of "going there": If a Nazi court was asking a harbor-er of Jews, under oath, if he was harboring Jews... should he lie or tell the truth? Obviously we would all say that the legal aspect is irrelevant, that he should definitely lie. Lies can be justified, if the law has failed to remain just. did you really just go there? REALLY? jesus christ man. You're not understanding... the point isn't the first part, that's just an extreme example to prevent anyone from arguing the underlying premise: lies can sometimes be justified. Now the actual argument is whether this lie was justified. I believe it was. No reasonable DA would ever have brought this case to trial. That is a decision for the Judge and jury, not the prosecution. If the feel it was justified, they can lower the sentence as allowed by law. No, the DA decides whether they charge or not. Ridiculous charges based entirely upon speculation should NEVER be brought to trial and left up to a jury. To do so is to violate the ethical standard a DA should hold himself/herself to. blah blah blah. judge denied the motion for acquittal based on the law, which means she feels there is a case.
Judges are people too (fallible, biased, etc), and honestly, the fact that she feels there is a case pretty much establishes her credibility here.
I'm just going off the word of DA's who I know. They have all said there is no way their office would have pursued this (based on the evidence available) and that if their office did take it they would have refused to prosecute it. (For clarity, some of these DA's have sent white people to prison for life/pursued the death penalty for killing black gang-bangers, so calling racial bias doesn't work)
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zimmerman is a 0.5 on a scale of 1-10 on physical prowess, etc.
harsh, dude, harsh.
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.5 from a scale of 1-10 ouch.
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lol at 0.5 rating but at least it shows he's bad at it (to start).
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On July 09 2013 03:50 dAPhREAk wrote:
zimmerman is a 0.5 on a scale of 1-10 on physical prowess, etc.
harsh, dude, harsh.
He realizes he's sitting right there right...?? hahah probably resents the weight gain since leaving his gym... Wants to tell him "I told you so"
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On July 09 2013 03:50 dAPhREAk wrote:
zimmerman is a 0.5 on a scale of 1-10 on physical prowess, etc.
harsh, dude, harsh.
So he's obese, butthurt, constipated, and cant fight for shit.
Poor guy...
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On July 09 2013 03:49 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 03:43 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 09 2013 03:40 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:36 Plansix wrote:On July 09 2013 03:33 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:32 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 09 2013 03:30 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:29 farvacola wrote:On July 09 2013 03:26 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:23 dAPhREAk wrote:
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i am apparently not as big a cynic as you. i do not think people commonly lie under oath. they may fudge/bend the truth; they may misremember facts; etc. but i dont believe people commonly outright lie.
nobody was hurt? the system is hurt when we allow people to blatantly lie in court. plus, it doesnt matter if anyone is hurt; its the law. "nobody was harmed" is not a defense to perjury. I'm not mounting a legal defense, nor have I ever said that I was. I am suggesting that it would be immoral to actually go after Zimmerman's wife just because they couldn't get Zimmerman. The fact that this trial is going on right now, and wasn't immediately thrown out with a word to the DA not to bring shit like this into the courtroom, is disturbing and that, in my opinion, justifies any lies Zimmerman's wife may or may not have told. No matter how unwieldy the judicial process may seem, subverting its tenants in pursuit of some sort of external justification does nothing positive. At the risk of "going there": If a Nazi court was asking a harbor-er of Jews, under oath, if he was harboring Jews... should he lie or tell the truth? Obviously we would all say that the legal aspect is irrelevant, that he should definitely lie. Lies can be justified, if the law has failed to remain just. did you really just go there? REALLY? jesus christ man. You're not understanding... the point isn't the first part, that's just an extreme example to prevent anyone from arguing the underlying premise: lies can sometimes be justified. Now the actual argument is whether this lie was justified. I believe it was. No reasonable DA would ever have brought this case to trial. That is a decision for the Judge and jury, not the prosecution. If the feel it was justified, they can lower the sentence as allowed by law. No, the DA decides whether they charge or not. Ridiculous charges based entirely upon speculation should NEVER be brought to trial and left up to a jury. To do so is to violate the ethical standard a DA should hold himself/herself to. blah blah blah. judge denied the motion for acquittal based on the law, which means she feels there is a case. Judges are people too (fallible, biased, etc), and honestly, the fact that she feels there is a case pretty much establishes her credibility here. I'm just going off the word of DA's who I know. They have all said there is no way their office would have pursued this (based on the evidence available) and that if their office did take it they would have refused to prosecute it. (For clarity, some of these DA's have sent white people to prison for life/pursued the death penalty for killing black gang-bangers, so calling racial bias doesn't work)
The Judge thinks your DA is wrong, doesn't know what s/he is talking about and that the matter should be brought to trial. People aren't flawed just because they disagree with you. Just because the DA you now wouldn't have brought the case doesn't mean there is one.
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I hope the prosecution asks this witness whether or not Zimmerman was aware of his own lack of fighting expertise.
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anyone else amazed at how well spoken this muscle head is? O'Mara and West are high fiving themselves mentally right now.
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