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This is a sensitive and complex issue, please do not make comments without first reading the facts, which are cataloged in the OP.

If you make an uninformed post, or one that isn't relevant to the discussion, you will be moderated. If in doubt, don't post.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 18:55:52
July 08 2013 18:55 GMT
#5961
lol 0.5 and 1 again. At least he recognizes his hard work lol

^ He's pretty much saying Zimmerman can't fight at all even after a year of work etc... Defense is definitely happy lol
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Junichi
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1056 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 18:57:59
July 08 2013 18:56 GMT
#5962
On July 09 2013 03:52 Dosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 03:50 dAPhREAk wrote:
zimmerman is a 0.5 on a scale of 1-10 on physical prowess, etc.

harsh, dude, harsh.

So he's obese, butthurt, constipated, and cant fight for shit.

Poor guy...


Thank god there are guns to feel strong anyway, eh?

Well it's good the witness is not trying to be nice to GZ by handing out these scores that feel like they are right. And ofc this is his purpose to the defense, to show that GZ was not a good fighter.



Edit:

On July 09 2013 03:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
anyone else amazed at how well spoken this muscle head is? O'Mara and West are high fiving themselves mentally right now.


Yes! Gym owners often don't seem this intelligent... :D
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 08 2013 18:56 GMT
#5963
On July 09 2013 03:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
anyone else amazed at how well spoken this muscle head is? O'Mara and West are high fiving themselves mentally right now.

Yeah, he's a great witness. Very compelling testimony.
Msr
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)495 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 18:57:07
July 08 2013 18:56 GMT
#5964
This guy is really working well for the defense**. What he said has been very accurate in general too.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 08 2013 18:56 GMT
#5965
"he never got off shadow boxing." he kept losing to his own shadow, lol.
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
July 08 2013 18:57 GMT
#5966
On July 09 2013 03:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
anyone else amazed at how well spoken this muscle head is? O'Mara and West are high fiving themselves mentally right now.

He's not just a muscle head, he's a coach and trainer who has owned a gym for 14 years. You pretty much have to be well spoken to be successful with that.
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
July 08 2013 18:57 GMT
#5967
On July 09 2013 03:54 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 03:49 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 09 2013 03:43 dAPhREAk wrote:
On July 09 2013 03:40 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 09 2013 03:36 Plansix wrote:
On July 09 2013 03:33 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 09 2013 03:32 dAPhREAk wrote:
On July 09 2013 03:30 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On July 09 2013 03:29 farvacola wrote:
On July 09 2013 03:26 sc2superfan101 wrote:
[quote]
I'm not mounting a legal defense, nor have I ever said that I was. I am suggesting that it would be immoral to actually go after Zimmerman's wife just because they couldn't get Zimmerman.

The fact that this trial is going on right now, and wasn't immediately thrown out with a word to the DA not to bring shit like this into the courtroom, is disturbing and that, in my opinion, justifies any lies Zimmerman's wife may or may not have told.

No matter how unwieldy the judicial process may seem, subverting its tenants in pursuit of some sort of external justification does nothing positive.

At the risk of "going there":

If a Nazi court was asking a harbor-er of Jews, under oath, if he was harboring Jews... should he lie or tell the truth? Obviously we would all say that the legal aspect is irrelevant, that he should definitely lie. Lies can be justified, if the law has failed to remain just.

did you really just go there? REALLY? jesus christ man.

You're not understanding... the point isn't the first part, that's just an extreme example to prevent anyone from arguing the underlying premise: lies can sometimes be justified.

Now the actual argument is whether this lie was justified. I believe it was. No reasonable DA would ever have brought this case to trial.

That is a decision for the Judge and jury, not the prosecution. If the feel it was justified, they can lower the sentence as allowed by law.

No, the DA decides whether they charge or not. Ridiculous charges based entirely upon speculation should NEVER be brought to trial and left up to a jury. To do so is to violate the ethical standard a DA should hold himself/herself to.

blah blah blah.

judge denied the motion for acquittal based on the law, which means she feels there is a case.

Judges are people too (fallible, biased, etc), and honestly, the fact that she feels there is a case pretty much establishes her credibility here.

I'm just going off the word of DA's who I know. They have all said there is no way their office would have pursued this (based on the evidence available) and that if their office did take it they would have refused to prosecute it. (For clarity, some of these DA's have sent white people to prison for life/pursued the death penalty for killing black gang-bangers, so calling racial bias doesn't work)

The Judge thinks your DA is wrong, doesn't know what s/he is talking about and that the matter should be brought to trial. People aren't flawed just because they disagree with you. Just because the DA you now wouldn't have brought the case doesn't mean there is one.

Well, I have to say, my opinion of judges is colored by my conversations with those who have experience with them, so there is that. But like I said: in my opinion (and the opinion of the experts I have consulted about it) there is no case. None whatsoever. My opinion is based off their informed opinion and everything I have seen.

It is also undeniable that this trial is largely (if not wholly) politically motivated.
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
Random_Guy09
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1010 Posts
July 08 2013 18:58 GMT
#5968
lol what does this lawyer not understand about him "not getting past learning how to punch" past 3 questions all lead to the same answer.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 08 2013 18:58 GMT
#5969
On July 09 2013 03:57 Dosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 03:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
anyone else amazed at how well spoken this muscle head is? O'Mara and West are high fiving themselves mentally right now.

He's not just a muscle head, he's a coach and trainer who has owned a gym for 14 years. You pretty much have to be well spoken to be successful with that.

yeah, i only said muscle head to insult farv. ;-) he does appear to be well accomplished.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 08 2013 18:59 GMT
#5970
On July 09 2013 03:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
anyone else amazed at how well spoken this muscle head is? O'Mara and West are high fiving themselves mentally right now.

Its like when congress called Dee Snider before them to testify about free speech when it came to Heavy Metal music and he made them all look pretty dumb. I watch the youtube video once a year just for fun.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 08 2013 18:59 GMT
#5971
On July 09 2013 03:58 Random_Guy09 wrote:
lol what does this lawyer not understand about him "not getting past learning how to punch" past 3 questions all lead to the same answer.

he wants to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Zimmerman can't fight at all since people were saying that he would have the advantage over Trayvon in a fight.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Junichi
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1056 Posts
July 08 2013 18:59 GMT
#5972
On July 09 2013 03:58 Random_Guy09 wrote:
lol what does this lawyer not understand about him "not getting past learning how to punch" past 3 questions all lead to the same answer.


I think he understood that very well, just wants the message to really sink in.
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 08 2013 18:59 GMT
#5973
On July 09 2013 03:58 Random_Guy09 wrote:
lol what does this lawyer not understand about him "not getting past learning how to punch" past 3 questions all lead to the same answer.

The repetitive questioning is a deliberate tactic to drive the point home.
Msr
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)495 Posts
July 08 2013 19:01 GMT
#5974
On July 09 2013 03:59 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 03:58 Random_Guy09 wrote:
lol what does this lawyer not understand about him "not getting past learning how to punch" past 3 questions all lead to the same answer.

he wants to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Zimmerman can't fight at all since people were saying that he would have the advantage over Trayvon in a fight.


this, but i am curious what zimmerman would rate himself on this 1-10 scale.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18865 Posts
July 08 2013 19:01 GMT
#5975
I don't know why folks are assuming this sort of testimony rings so clearly in favor of the defense. If it can be shown that Zimmerman was, for practical purposes, physically incompetent, it isn't exactly a far stretch to show that his proactive engagement in pursuing Trayvon amounted to negligence. In other words, with no physical defense to fall back on, Zimmerman's actions become closer to "looking for a reason to use his gun."
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
July 08 2013 19:02 GMT
#5976
On July 09 2013 03:55 dAPhREAk wrote:
anyone else amazed at how well spoken this muscle head is? O'Mara and West are high fiving themselves mentally right now.


I was gonna do a double take, cuz I thought this was just some white-collar guy when I began watching. Then I hear he runs the gym and all.
Junichi
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1056 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 19:02:50
July 08 2013 19:02 GMT
#5977
"Hearsay" on a discussion the witness had? And the objection is sustained? I've got to be interpreting that wrong...
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 08 2013 19:04 GMT
#5978
On July 09 2013 04:01 farvacola wrote:
I don't know why folks are assuming this sort of testimony rings so clearly in favor of the defense. If it can be shown that Zimmerman was, for practical purposes, physically incompetent, it isn't exactly a far stretch to show that his proactive engagement in pursuing Trayvon amounted to negligence. In other words, with no physical defense to fall back on, Zimmerman's actions become closer to "looking for a reason to use his gun."

I think by showing he can't fight, it shows that if Trayvon got on top of him in the position that was discussed earlier, he won't be able to get him off and his life can be threatened. Not a far stretch imo.

wow, calling him soft is almost like an insult to most guys lol
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
July 08 2013 19:04 GMT
#5979
On July 09 2013 04:02 Junichi wrote:
"Hearsay" on a discussion the witness had? And the objection is sustained? I've got to be interpreting that wrong...

you cant enter evidence of what other people said absent an exception to the hearsay rule. he can discuss what he said, but he cant discuss what the other person said.
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
July 08 2013 19:05 GMT
#5980
Soft... nice guy... but soft as a pillow. A soft pillow.

this has to be such a conflict for Zimmerman. on one hand, he's being called a softie wimp, and on the other, his case is being bolstered.

My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
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