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On March 31 2012 07:43 Freddybear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 07:37 Defacer wrote:On March 31 2012 07:34 Freddybear wrote:
And with Trayvon, Republicans are objecting to the race-baiting and the rush to condemn Zimmerman before all the facts are out, and pointing out that Martin isn't necessarily the angel that the race-baiters are portraying him as. That's fine. But Republicans have everything to gain by taking the high ground right now. If the facts bear out that Trayvon instigated the attack, then it makes all the rabble-rousing lefties look foolish. Play the long game, bro! It's never good to let fools put their foolishness out there unchallenged. Too many other fools will take the lack of opposition for an admission that the foolishness is something profound.
Opposition and sobriety in moderation = good. But I think whether your left or right, you need to try to keep the differentiation between yourself and the whack-a-doodles distinct.
Ending tangent, back to the topic.
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Oh boy. More fuel for the fire.
George Zimmerman fired for being overagressive
In a week of leaked high school disciplinary records, police reports and police station surveillance video in the war over public perception of Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman, more details have emerged about Zimmerman’s history of violence.
Zimmerman, the 28-year-old Sanford, Fla., neighborhood watch volunteer who shot the unarmed 17-year-old Martin to death last month, was fired from a job securing illegal house parties for “being too aggressive,” according to the New York Daily News, which quoted a former colleague of Zimmerman’s. According to the co-worker, Zimmerman worked for two agencies that provided security for house parties from 2001 to 2005.
“Usually he was just a cool guy,” said the former co-worker, who the newspaper didn't name. “But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When dude snapped, he snapped.” The Daily News said Zimmerman earned $50 to $100 a night for the parties. He was fired for being too aggressive with patrons.
“He had a temper and he became a liability,” the newspaper quoted the former co-worker as saying. “One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,” he said. “It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”
The new portrayal of Zimmerman comes as distinctly different images of both Martin and Zimmerman are being floated by people on both sides of the Martin killing. Zimmerman told police he shot Martin Feb. 26 in self defense after being jumped from behind. He has not been charged.
Photos of a fresh-faced, smiling Martin in a Hollister T-shirt helped attract sympathy to his parents' call for justice, as did a 2005 police mug shot of a scowling, overweight Zimmerman photographed after being charged with assaulting a police officer.
This week, stories challenging both portraits emerged. Photos of Martin with removable gold tooth caps and revelations that he was suspended from his Miami high school three times, including once for possessing an empty baggy that school officials said contained marijuana residue, became ammunition for conservative websites and and people sympathetic to Zimmerman.
Law enforcement in Sanford also leaked a police report to the Orlando Sentinel, offering details of Zimmerman's account of the killing for the first time.
The report said Zimmerman told police that Martin attacked him from behind, punched him in the nose, wrestled him to the ground and violently bashed his head on a sidewalk. It was then, Zimmerman told the police, that he pulled out his 9mm handgun and shot Martin in the chest.
Surveillance video from the Sanford police station recorded the night of the shooting, first broadcast by ABC News on Wednesday, showed a clean-shaven and fit-looking Zimmerman being ushered in to the station without visible abrasions, bruises or bloodstains on his clothes, all of which may fail to support his account of a violent death struggle. In addition, the funeral director who handled Martin’s body reported there were no cuts or other marks on the teen's hands that would suggest violent fisticuffs.
In the days after the shooting, Martin’s family said police officers told them Zimmerman had a clean record. But a cursory search of county records showed a 2005 arrest on charges of resisting arrest and assaulting a law enforcement officer. The charges were later dropped.
Also in 2005, Zimmerman was involved in a bitter domestic violence incident with his ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo. In that case, Zuazo filed for a restraining order against Zimmerman, who she said snatched her cell phone from her hand and pushed her during an argument. The next day, both filed court petitions accusing the other of violence.
According to the Miami Herald, Zuazo said that three years earlier, Zimmerman attacked her while the two were driving to a counseling session. Zuazo said she popped her gum in his face and he repeatedly smacked her in the face. In January 2002, she added, Zimmerman became enraged that she had come home late. They wrestled and he threw her on the bed, smacking her, according to the newspaper.
In September 2003, Zimmerman called police and reported that another motorist spat on him, according to reports, Zimmerman followed the man in his car until the police arrived. Daniel Osmun, the other driver, told police that Zimmerman was tailgating and that he spit his gum out the window "out of frustration."
Osum said that Zimmerman then pulled alongside of him, and the two argued. In a police report of the incident, Osum said “at one point, he thought Mr. Zimmerman was going to attack him." No charges were filed against either man.
Zimmerman was the self-appointed captain of the neighborhood watch at the Retreat at Twin Lakes, a gated community where Martin was visiting his father and his father’s girlfriend when he was killed. Zimmerman noticed Martin, who was walking home from a store, and called 911 to report the youth as "suspicious." (Zimmerman had called 911 46 times in recent years.) According to 911 recordings the night of the killing, Zimmerman followed Martin against a dispatcher’s recommendation. The police initially said that at one point Martin noticed he was being followed, turned to ask what Zimmerman wanted, and a physical altercation ensued.
Zimmerman was questioned and released by police, who said they lacked evidence to contradict his self-defense claim. The State Attorney’s Office is considering whether to file charges. A grand jury is scheduled to be called on April 10.
Some of Zimmerman’s neighbors said he had a history of being overly aggressive and followed people whom he thought appeared suspicious back to their homes.
At an emergency homeowner’s association meeting on March 1, days after the killing, “one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home,” a resident who spoke on the condition of anonymity told HuffPost. “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch role.
The former co-worker quoted by the Daily News said he had not recently been in touch with Zimmerman, but his latest troubles came as a shock nonetheless.
“He definitely loved being in charge. He loved the power,” he said. “Still, I could never see him killing someone. Never.”
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The question is did Zimmerman receive a broken nose and numerous head injuries or not?
Would this not immediately atleast suggest Martin DID attack Zimmerman? Rather than 'we don't know whether there was a confrontation or not' etc.
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On March 31 2012 08:02 Defacer wrote:Oh boy. More fuel for the fire. George Zimmerman fired for being overagressive+ Show Spoiler +In a week of leaked high school disciplinary records, police reports and police station surveillance video in the war over public perception of Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman, more details have emerged about Zimmerman’s history of violence.
Zimmerman, the 28-year-old Sanford, Fla., neighborhood watch volunteer who shot the unarmed 17-year-old Martin to death last month, was fired from a job securing illegal house parties for “being too aggressive,” according to the New York Daily News, which quoted a former colleague of Zimmerman’s. According to the co-worker, Zimmerman worked for two agencies that provided security for house parties from 2001 to 2005.
“Usually he was just a cool guy,” said the former co-worker, who the newspaper didn't name. “But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When dude snapped, he snapped.” The Daily News said Zimmerman earned $50 to $100 a night for the parties. He was fired for being too aggressive with patrons.
“He had a temper and he became a liability,” the newspaper quoted the former co-worker as saying. “One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,” he said. “It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”
The new portrayal of Zimmerman comes as distinctly different images of both Martin and Zimmerman are being floated by people on both sides of the Martin killing. Zimmerman told police he shot Martin Feb. 26 in self defense after being jumped from behind. He has not been charged.
Photos of a fresh-faced, smiling Martin in a Hollister T-shirt helped attract sympathy to his parents' call for justice, as did a 2005 police mug shot of a scowling, overweight Zimmerman photographed after being charged with assaulting a police officer.
This week, stories challenging both portraits emerged. Photos of Martin with removable gold tooth caps and revelations that he was suspended from his Miami high school three times, including once for possessing an empty baggy that school officials said contained marijuana residue, became ammunition for conservative websites and and people sympathetic to Zimmerman.
Law enforcement in Sanford also leaked a police report to the Orlando Sentinel, offering details of Zimmerman's account of the killing for the first time.
The report said Zimmerman told police that Martin attacked him from behind, punched him in the nose, wrestled him to the ground and violently bashed his head on a sidewalk. It was then, Zimmerman told the police, that he pulled out his 9mm handgun and shot Martin in the chest.
Surveillance video from the Sanford police station recorded the night of the shooting, first broadcast by ABC News on Wednesday, showed a clean-shaven and fit-looking Zimmerman being ushered in to the station without visible abrasions, bruises or bloodstains on his clothes, all of which may fail to support his account of a violent death struggle. In addition, the funeral director who handled Martin’s body reported there were no cuts or other marks on the teen's hands that would suggest violent fisticuffs.
In the days after the shooting, Martin’s family said police officers told them Zimmerman had a clean record. But a cursory search of county records showed a 2005 arrest on charges of resisting arrest and assaulting a law enforcement officer. The charges were later dropped.
Also in 2005, Zimmerman was involved in a bitter domestic violence incident with his ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo. In that case, Zuazo filed for a restraining order against Zimmerman, who she said snatched her cell phone from her hand and pushed her during an argument. The next day, both filed court petitions accusing the other of violence.
According to the Miami Herald, Zuazo said that three years earlier, Zimmerman attacked her while the two were driving to a counseling session. Zuazo said she popped her gum in his face and he repeatedly smacked her in the face. In January 2002, she added, Zimmerman became enraged that she had come home late. They wrestled and he threw her on the bed, smacking her, according to the newspaper.
In September 2003, Zimmerman called police and reported that another motorist spat on him, according to reports, Zimmerman followed the man in his car until the police arrived. Daniel Osmun, the other driver, told police that Zimmerman was tailgating and that he spit his gum out the window "out of frustration."
Osum said that Zimmerman then pulled alongside of him, and the two argued. In a police report of the incident, Osum said “at one point, he thought Mr. Zimmerman was going to attack him." No charges were filed against either man.
Zimmerman was the self-appointed captain of the neighborhood watch at the Retreat at Twin Lakes, a gated community where Martin was visiting his father and his father’s girlfriend when he was killed. Zimmerman noticed Martin, who was walking home from a store, and called 911 to report the youth as "suspicious." (Zimmerman had called 911 46 times in recent years.) According to 911 recordings the night of the killing, Zimmerman followed Martin against a dispatcher’s recommendation. The police initially said that at one point Martin noticed he was being followed, turned to ask what Zimmerman wanted, and a physical altercation ensued.
Zimmerman was questioned and released by police, who said they lacked evidence to contradict his self-defense claim. The State Attorney’s Office is considering whether to file charges. A grand jury is scheduled to be called on April 10.
Some of Zimmerman’s neighbors said he had a history of being overly aggressive and followed people whom he thought appeared suspicious back to their homes.
At an emergency homeowner’s association meeting on March 1, days after the killing, “one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home,” a resident who spoke on the condition of anonymity told HuffPost. “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch role.
The former co-worker quoted by the Daily News said he had not recently been in touch with Zimmerman, but his latest troubles came as a shock nonetheless.
“He definitely loved being in charge. He loved the power,” he said. “Still, I could never see him killing someone. Never.”
thats less than flattering. i especially love the ex-fiancee--although i tend to discount ex's thoughts since, well, they tend to be bitter if the relationship didn't end well (both males and females).
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On March 31 2012 08:09 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 08:02 Defacer wrote:Oh boy. More fuel for the fire. George Zimmerman fired for being overagressive+ Show Spoiler +In a week of leaked high school disciplinary records, police reports and police station surveillance video in the war over public perception of Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman, more details have emerged about Zimmerman’s history of violence.
Zimmerman, the 28-year-old Sanford, Fla., neighborhood watch volunteer who shot the unarmed 17-year-old Martin to death last month, was fired from a job securing illegal house parties for “being too aggressive,” according to the New York Daily News, which quoted a former colleague of Zimmerman’s. According to the co-worker, Zimmerman worked for two agencies that provided security for house parties from 2001 to 2005.
“Usually he was just a cool guy,” said the former co-worker, who the newspaper didn't name. “But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When dude snapped, he snapped.” The Daily News said Zimmerman earned $50 to $100 a night for the parties. He was fired for being too aggressive with patrons.
“He had a temper and he became a liability,” the newspaper quoted the former co-worker as saying. “One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,” he said. “It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”
The new portrayal of Zimmerman comes as distinctly different images of both Martin and Zimmerman are being floated by people on both sides of the Martin killing. Zimmerman told police he shot Martin Feb. 26 in self defense after being jumped from behind. He has not been charged.
Photos of a fresh-faced, smiling Martin in a Hollister T-shirt helped attract sympathy to his parents' call for justice, as did a 2005 police mug shot of a scowling, overweight Zimmerman photographed after being charged with assaulting a police officer.
This week, stories challenging both portraits emerged. Photos of Martin with removable gold tooth caps and revelations that he was suspended from his Miami high school three times, including once for possessing an empty baggy that school officials said contained marijuana residue, became ammunition for conservative websites and and people sympathetic to Zimmerman.
Law enforcement in Sanford also leaked a police report to the Orlando Sentinel, offering details of Zimmerman's account of the killing for the first time.
The report said Zimmerman told police that Martin attacked him from behind, punched him in the nose, wrestled him to the ground and violently bashed his head on a sidewalk. It was then, Zimmerman told the police, that he pulled out his 9mm handgun and shot Martin in the chest.
Surveillance video from the Sanford police station recorded the night of the shooting, first broadcast by ABC News on Wednesday, showed a clean-shaven and fit-looking Zimmerman being ushered in to the station without visible abrasions, bruises or bloodstains on his clothes, all of which may fail to support his account of a violent death struggle. In addition, the funeral director who handled Martin’s body reported there were no cuts or other marks on the teen's hands that would suggest violent fisticuffs.
In the days after the shooting, Martin’s family said police officers told them Zimmerman had a clean record. But a cursory search of county records showed a 2005 arrest on charges of resisting arrest and assaulting a law enforcement officer. The charges were later dropped.
Also in 2005, Zimmerman was involved in a bitter domestic violence incident with his ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo. In that case, Zuazo filed for a restraining order against Zimmerman, who she said snatched her cell phone from her hand and pushed her during an argument. The next day, both filed court petitions accusing the other of violence.
According to the Miami Herald, Zuazo said that three years earlier, Zimmerman attacked her while the two were driving to a counseling session. Zuazo said she popped her gum in his face and he repeatedly smacked her in the face. In January 2002, she added, Zimmerman became enraged that she had come home late. They wrestled and he threw her on the bed, smacking her, according to the newspaper.
In September 2003, Zimmerman called police and reported that another motorist spat on him, according to reports, Zimmerman followed the man in his car until the police arrived. Daniel Osmun, the other driver, told police that Zimmerman was tailgating and that he spit his gum out the window "out of frustration."
Osum said that Zimmerman then pulled alongside of him, and the two argued. In a police report of the incident, Osum said “at one point, he thought Mr. Zimmerman was going to attack him." No charges were filed against either man.
Zimmerman was the self-appointed captain of the neighborhood watch at the Retreat at Twin Lakes, a gated community where Martin was visiting his father and his father’s girlfriend when he was killed. Zimmerman noticed Martin, who was walking home from a store, and called 911 to report the youth as "suspicious." (Zimmerman had called 911 46 times in recent years.) According to 911 recordings the night of the killing, Zimmerman followed Martin against a dispatcher’s recommendation. The police initially said that at one point Martin noticed he was being followed, turned to ask what Zimmerman wanted, and a physical altercation ensued.
Zimmerman was questioned and released by police, who said they lacked evidence to contradict his self-defense claim. The State Attorney’s Office is considering whether to file charges. A grand jury is scheduled to be called on April 10.
Some of Zimmerman’s neighbors said he had a history of being overly aggressive and followed people whom he thought appeared suspicious back to their homes.
At an emergency homeowner’s association meeting on March 1, days after the killing, “one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home,” a resident who spoke on the condition of anonymity told HuffPost. “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch role.
The former co-worker quoted by the Daily News said he had not recently been in touch with Zimmerman, but his latest troubles came as a shock nonetheless.
“He definitely loved being in charge. He loved the power,” he said. “Still, I could never see him killing someone. Never.” thats less than flattering. i especially love the ex-fiancee--although i tend to discount ex's thoughts since, well, they tend to be bitter if the relationship didn't end well (both males and females).
Hey, if high school suspensions are fair game, than getting fired from a security gig and have a restraining order put on by your ex-fiance is fair game too ...
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On March 31 2012 08:12 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 08:09 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 31 2012 08:02 Defacer wrote:Oh boy. More fuel for the fire. George Zimmerman fired for being overagressive+ Show Spoiler +In a week of leaked high school disciplinary records, police reports and police station surveillance video in the war over public perception of Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman, more details have emerged about Zimmerman’s history of violence.
Zimmerman, the 28-year-old Sanford, Fla., neighborhood watch volunteer who shot the unarmed 17-year-old Martin to death last month, was fired from a job securing illegal house parties for “being too aggressive,” according to the New York Daily News, which quoted a former colleague of Zimmerman’s. According to the co-worker, Zimmerman worked for two agencies that provided security for house parties from 2001 to 2005.
“Usually he was just a cool guy,” said the former co-worker, who the newspaper didn't name. “But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When dude snapped, he snapped.” The Daily News said Zimmerman earned $50 to $100 a night for the parties. He was fired for being too aggressive with patrons.
“He had a temper and he became a liability,” the newspaper quoted the former co-worker as saying. “One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,” he said. “It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”
The new portrayal of Zimmerman comes as distinctly different images of both Martin and Zimmerman are being floated by people on both sides of the Martin killing. Zimmerman told police he shot Martin Feb. 26 in self defense after being jumped from behind. He has not been charged.
Photos of a fresh-faced, smiling Martin in a Hollister T-shirt helped attract sympathy to his parents' call for justice, as did a 2005 police mug shot of a scowling, overweight Zimmerman photographed after being charged with assaulting a police officer.
This week, stories challenging both portraits emerged. Photos of Martin with removable gold tooth caps and revelations that he was suspended from his Miami high school three times, including once for possessing an empty baggy that school officials said contained marijuana residue, became ammunition for conservative websites and and people sympathetic to Zimmerman.
Law enforcement in Sanford also leaked a police report to the Orlando Sentinel, offering details of Zimmerman's account of the killing for the first time.
The report said Zimmerman told police that Martin attacked him from behind, punched him in the nose, wrestled him to the ground and violently bashed his head on a sidewalk. It was then, Zimmerman told the police, that he pulled out his 9mm handgun and shot Martin in the chest.
Surveillance video from the Sanford police station recorded the night of the shooting, first broadcast by ABC News on Wednesday, showed a clean-shaven and fit-looking Zimmerman being ushered in to the station without visible abrasions, bruises or bloodstains on his clothes, all of which may fail to support his account of a violent death struggle. In addition, the funeral director who handled Martin’s body reported there were no cuts or other marks on the teen's hands that would suggest violent fisticuffs.
In the days after the shooting, Martin’s family said police officers told them Zimmerman had a clean record. But a cursory search of county records showed a 2005 arrest on charges of resisting arrest and assaulting a law enforcement officer. The charges were later dropped.
Also in 2005, Zimmerman was involved in a bitter domestic violence incident with his ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo. In that case, Zuazo filed for a restraining order against Zimmerman, who she said snatched her cell phone from her hand and pushed her during an argument. The next day, both filed court petitions accusing the other of violence.
According to the Miami Herald, Zuazo said that three years earlier, Zimmerman attacked her while the two were driving to a counseling session. Zuazo said she popped her gum in his face and he repeatedly smacked her in the face. In January 2002, she added, Zimmerman became enraged that she had come home late. They wrestled and he threw her on the bed, smacking her, according to the newspaper.
In September 2003, Zimmerman called police and reported that another motorist spat on him, according to reports, Zimmerman followed the man in his car until the police arrived. Daniel Osmun, the other driver, told police that Zimmerman was tailgating and that he spit his gum out the window "out of frustration."
Osum said that Zimmerman then pulled alongside of him, and the two argued. In a police report of the incident, Osum said “at one point, he thought Mr. Zimmerman was going to attack him." No charges were filed against either man.
Zimmerman was the self-appointed captain of the neighborhood watch at the Retreat at Twin Lakes, a gated community where Martin was visiting his father and his father’s girlfriend when he was killed. Zimmerman noticed Martin, who was walking home from a store, and called 911 to report the youth as "suspicious." (Zimmerman had called 911 46 times in recent years.) According to 911 recordings the night of the killing, Zimmerman followed Martin against a dispatcher’s recommendation. The police initially said that at one point Martin noticed he was being followed, turned to ask what Zimmerman wanted, and a physical altercation ensued.
Zimmerman was questioned and released by police, who said they lacked evidence to contradict his self-defense claim. The State Attorney’s Office is considering whether to file charges. A grand jury is scheduled to be called on April 10.
Some of Zimmerman’s neighbors said he had a history of being overly aggressive and followed people whom he thought appeared suspicious back to their homes.
At an emergency homeowner’s association meeting on March 1, days after the killing, “one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home,” a resident who spoke on the condition of anonymity told HuffPost. “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch role.
The former co-worker quoted by the Daily News said he had not recently been in touch with Zimmerman, but his latest troubles came as a shock nonetheless.
“He definitely loved being in charge. He loved the power,” he said. “Still, I could never see him killing someone. Never.” thats less than flattering. i especially love the ex-fiancee--although i tend to discount ex's thoughts since, well, they tend to be bitter if the relationship didn't end well (both males and females). Hey, if high school suspensions are fair game, than getting fired from a security gig and have a restraining order put on by your ex-fiance is fair game too ...
no doubt. thats why i immediately put it in the op.
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On March 31 2012 08:09 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 08:02 Defacer wrote:Oh boy. More fuel for the fire. George Zimmerman fired for being overagressive+ Show Spoiler +In a week of leaked high school disciplinary records, police reports and police station surveillance video in the war over public perception of Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman, more details have emerged about Zimmerman’s history of violence.
Zimmerman, the 28-year-old Sanford, Fla., neighborhood watch volunteer who shot the unarmed 17-year-old Martin to death last month, was fired from a job securing illegal house parties for “being too aggressive,” according to the New York Daily News, which quoted a former colleague of Zimmerman’s. According to the co-worker, Zimmerman worked for two agencies that provided security for house parties from 2001 to 2005.
“Usually he was just a cool guy,” said the former co-worker, who the newspaper didn't name. “But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When dude snapped, he snapped.” The Daily News said Zimmerman earned $50 to $100 a night for the parties. He was fired for being too aggressive with patrons.
“He had a temper and he became a liability,” the newspaper quoted the former co-worker as saying. “One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,” he said. “It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”
The new portrayal of Zimmerman comes as distinctly different images of both Martin and Zimmerman are being floated by people on both sides of the Martin killing. Zimmerman told police he shot Martin Feb. 26 in self defense after being jumped from behind. He has not been charged.
Photos of a fresh-faced, smiling Martin in a Hollister T-shirt helped attract sympathy to his parents' call for justice, as did a 2005 police mug shot of a scowling, overweight Zimmerman photographed after being charged with assaulting a police officer.
This week, stories challenging both portraits emerged. Photos of Martin with removable gold tooth caps and revelations that he was suspended from his Miami high school three times, including once for possessing an empty baggy that school officials said contained marijuana residue, became ammunition for conservative websites and and people sympathetic to Zimmerman.
Law enforcement in Sanford also leaked a police report to the Orlando Sentinel, offering details of Zimmerman's account of the killing for the first time.
The report said Zimmerman told police that Martin attacked him from behind, punched him in the nose, wrestled him to the ground and violently bashed his head on a sidewalk. It was then, Zimmerman told the police, that he pulled out his 9mm handgun and shot Martin in the chest.
Surveillance video from the Sanford police station recorded the night of the shooting, first broadcast by ABC News on Wednesday, showed a clean-shaven and fit-looking Zimmerman being ushered in to the station without visible abrasions, bruises or bloodstains on his clothes, all of which may fail to support his account of a violent death struggle. In addition, the funeral director who handled Martin’s body reported there were no cuts or other marks on the teen's hands that would suggest violent fisticuffs.
In the days after the shooting, Martin’s family said police officers told them Zimmerman had a clean record. But a cursory search of county records showed a 2005 arrest on charges of resisting arrest and assaulting a law enforcement officer. The charges were later dropped.
Also in 2005, Zimmerman was involved in a bitter domestic violence incident with his ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo. In that case, Zuazo filed for a restraining order against Zimmerman, who she said snatched her cell phone from her hand and pushed her during an argument. The next day, both filed court petitions accusing the other of violence.
According to the Miami Herald, Zuazo said that three years earlier, Zimmerman attacked her while the two were driving to a counseling session. Zuazo said she popped her gum in his face and he repeatedly smacked her in the face. In January 2002, she added, Zimmerman became enraged that she had come home late. They wrestled and he threw her on the bed, smacking her, according to the newspaper.
In September 2003, Zimmerman called police and reported that another motorist spat on him, according to reports, Zimmerman followed the man in his car until the police arrived. Daniel Osmun, the other driver, told police that Zimmerman was tailgating and that he spit his gum out the window "out of frustration."
Osum said that Zimmerman then pulled alongside of him, and the two argued. In a police report of the incident, Osum said “at one point, he thought Mr. Zimmerman was going to attack him." No charges were filed against either man.
Zimmerman was the self-appointed captain of the neighborhood watch at the Retreat at Twin Lakes, a gated community where Martin was visiting his father and his father’s girlfriend when he was killed. Zimmerman noticed Martin, who was walking home from a store, and called 911 to report the youth as "suspicious." (Zimmerman had called 911 46 times in recent years.) According to 911 recordings the night of the killing, Zimmerman followed Martin against a dispatcher’s recommendation. The police initially said that at one point Martin noticed he was being followed, turned to ask what Zimmerman wanted, and a physical altercation ensued.
Zimmerman was questioned and released by police, who said they lacked evidence to contradict his self-defense claim. The State Attorney’s Office is considering whether to file charges. A grand jury is scheduled to be called on April 10.
Some of Zimmerman’s neighbors said he had a history of being overly aggressive and followed people whom he thought appeared suspicious back to their homes.
At an emergency homeowner’s association meeting on March 1, days after the killing, “one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home,” a resident who spoke on the condition of anonymity told HuffPost. “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch role.
The former co-worker quoted by the Daily News said he had not recently been in touch with Zimmerman, but his latest troubles came as a shock nonetheless.
“He definitely loved being in charge. He loved the power,” he said. “Still, I could never see him killing someone. Never.” thats less than flattering. i especially love the ex-fiancee--although i tend to discount ex's thoughts since, well, they tend to be bitter if the relationship didn't end well (both males and females).
Fuck, re-reading her account makes their relationship sound horrible. "Popping gum in his face ... ." That is obnoxious. LOL.
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That article causes me to believe Zimmerman isn't innocent when it came to initiating force like he insisted. A few weeks ago I read a story about a neighbor and his wife that said Zimmerman was really pressuring them to get a gun and how they need to defend themselves. In other words he came off like a typical "gun nut." Imo, people like these are naturally more suspicious of other people, which is why they carry their gun with them at all time and why they think others should carry guns at all times. I think they also fantasize about using their gun in self-defense and being the "hero." I think their idea of justice is a very harsh one: pro-capital punishment, very stiff sentences, and seeing a crime in progress makes their blood boil and seeing a criminal get away makes their blood boil even more. The fact that there had just been a few robberies means he was probably pissed that his friends were getting victimized and as the neighboor watch guy he might have felt partly responsible and helpless. The problem is that witnessing a crime and being a hero is very rare, so if you want to be a hero you have to invent the situation in your head where you have to stop a criminal and defend yourself. Suddenly any kid with a hoodie and some skittles is suspicious. One thing leads to another...
I wonder how many people are going to call me out for generalizing and speculating about what is going through Zimmerman's heads based on my perceived stereotypes of gun owners? Probably none  <3 double standards.
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On March 31 2012 07:09 Holy_AT wrote:
I hope there will be a proper investigation into this.
The things that I find strange is the missing blood, if they were truly struggling and T was on top of Z and Z somehow managed to pull out his gun and shoot him, where is the transfered blood from T to Z ?
On the video tapes he looks very clean no major signs of injury not even a limp or anything.
It is a likely explanation that T felt being threatened because he was followed and Z believed T to be a criminal because he was well ... black I'm sure he wouldn't have followed a white guy and phoned the police because of a white guy to begin with.
The next step was that some confrontation erupted and Z shot T.
An unarmed boy going to buy slushies or whatever in a game break is not very likely to start attacking someone who is stronger and looks like a Hispanic cartel member without good reason. The only reasons I can imagine for T to attack first was if he felt seriously threatened or if he was seriously provoked in both cases Z is the one responsible.
I am a terrible person, but I saw this and I was like T AND Z? TvZ and ZvT. Z says T takes out one of his expos and rolls him with a broodlord infestor combo, then it turns out Z didn't actually get his expo taken out, while T was just on an innocent mining operation though it turned out in previous games he was guilty of proxy 2 raxxing.
But seriously, the way the information has been trickling out is very strange. First Trayvon is an innocent kid visiting his dad who gets shot by the big evil white not-police Zimmerman. Then it turns out Trayvon was suspended from school, and that Zimmerman is actually Hispanic. Then it turns out Zimmerman is actually pretty fit and NOT FAT. Then some hackers get Trayvon's stuff and he's all like thuglyfe and stuff. And then a video surfaces of Zimmerman with no injuries, and the funeral guy says Trayvon didn't look like he'd been in a scuffle (past being shot in the chest). Now, it seems Zimmerman is looking scummier and scummier with each new leak. There's a bit of an odd pattern as info keeps swinging the case everywhere. Bet something nasty about Trayvon or his family comes out soon. Yay 24 hour media cycle.
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On March 31 2012 08:55 BlackJack wrote:That article causes me to believe Zimmerman isn't innocent when it came to initiating force like he insisted. A few weeks ago I read a story about a neighbor and his wife that said Zimmerman was really pressuring them to get a gun and how they need to defend themselves. In other words he came off like a typical "gun nut." Imo, people like these are naturally more suspicious of other people, which is why they carry their gun with them at all time and why they think others should carry guns at all times. I think they also fantasize about using their gun in self-defense and being the "hero." I think their idea of justice is a very harsh one: pro-capital punishment, very stiff sentences, and seeing a crime in progress makes their blood boil and seeing a criminal get away makes their blood boil even more. The fact that there had just been a few robberies means he was probably pissed that his friends were getting victimized and as the neighboor watch guy he might have felt partly responsible and helpless. The problem is that witnessing a crime and being a hero is very rare, so if you want to be a hero you have to invent the situation in your head where you have to stop a criminal and defend yourself. Suddenly any kid with a hoodie and some skittles is suspicious. One thing leads to another... I wonder how many people are going to call me out for generalizing and speculating about what is going through Zimmerman's heads based on my perceived stereotypes of gun owners? Probably none <3 double standards.
What are you talking about? I call bullshit on you sir!
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On March 31 2012 09:06 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 07:09 Holy_AT wrote:
I hope there will be a proper investigation into this.
The things that I find strange is the missing blood, if they were truly struggling and T was on top of Z and Z somehow managed to pull out his gun and shoot him, where is the transfered blood from T to Z ?
On the video tapes he looks very clean no major signs of injury not even a limp or anything.
It is a likely explanation that T felt being threatened because he was followed and Z believed T to be a criminal because he was well ... black I'm sure he wouldn't have followed a white guy and phoned the police because of a white guy to begin with.
The next step was that some confrontation erupted and Z shot T.
An unarmed boy going to buy slushies or whatever in a game break is not very likely to start attacking someone who is stronger and looks like a Hispanic cartel member without good reason. The only reasons I can imagine for T to attack first was if he felt seriously threatened or if he was seriously provoked in both cases Z is the one responsible. I am a terrible person, but I saw this and I was like T AND Z? TvZ and ZvT. Z says T takes out one of his expos and rolls him with a broodlord infestor combo, then it turns out Z didn't actually get his expo taken out, while T was just on an innocent mining operation though it turned out in previous games he was guilty of proxy 2 raxxing. But seriously, the way the information has been trickling out is very strange. First Trayvon is an innocent kid visiting his dad who gets shot by the big evil white not-police Zimmerman. Then it turns out Trayvon was suspended from school, and that Zimmerman is actually Hispanic. Then it turns out Zimmerman is actually pretty fit and NOT FAT. Then some hackers get Trayvon's stuff and he's all like thuglyfe and stuff. And then a video surfaces of Zimmerman with no injuries, and the funeral guy says Trayvon didn't look like he'd been in a scuffle (past being shot in the chest). Now, it seems Zimmerman is looking scummier and scummier with each new leak. There's a bit of an odd pattern as info keeps swinging the case everywhere. Bet something nasty about Trayvon or his family comes out soon. Yay 24 hour media cycle.
The media is trying to balance TvZ right now. LOL.
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The part that really disgusts me in all of this is that, with the media slinging shit all over the place, there is no chance that, should Zimmerman be charged, a fair and balanced trial will actually take place. This fucking 'trial by the national news' business is outrageous.
And to be clear, I'm not expressing any opinion either way. The possible trial could be negatively affected by the media circus regardless of what the actual truth is..
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On March 31 2012 09:21 Brett wrote:
The part that really disgusts me in all of this is that, with the media slinging shit all over the place, there is no chance that, should Zimmerman be charged, a fair and balanced trial will actually take place. This fucking 'trial by the national news' business is outrageous.
And to be clear, I'm not expressing any opinion either way. The possible trial could be negatively affected by the media circus regardless of what the actual truth is..
I couldn't agree more with the first part of your post. The fact that is turning into a giant smear campaign against both parties is dispicable and in all reality it in no way proves either parties innocence or guilt. It's all just speculation.
I've had a violet history, does that mean I'd go out and purposely kill someone? No.
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I live in downtown Sanford where all of these rallies and marches and things are happening. Al Sharpton was literally right across the street from my house at a rally. I honestly haven't been following this much because other more important things fill my life versus paying attention to two people who I'll never meet or care about. I will say however I absolutely CANNOT wait for this shit to be over. One night after one of these "rallies" these same people that say Trayvon is innocent stole my motorcycle from in front of my house. I honestly couldn't care less if Zimmerman goes to jail or not but the way EVERYONE on both sides of the fence are acting towards this is just insane. Nobody will ever know the whole story because 1/2 the story is dead.
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On March 31 2012 10:35 Infernal_dream wrote:
I live in downtown Sanford where all of these rallies and marches and things are happening. Al Sharpton was literally right across the street from my house at a rally. I honestly haven't been following this much because other more important things fill my life versus paying attention to two people who I'll never meet or care about. I will say however I absolutely CANNOT wait for this shit to be over. One night after one of these "rallies" these same people that say Trayvon is innocent stole my motorcycle from in front of my house. I honestly couldn't care less if Zimmerman goes to jail or not but the way EVERYONE on both sides of the fence are acting towards this is just insane. Nobody will ever know the whole story because 1/2 the story is dead.
No one will know because the media has muddied the whole story so much, the truth is buried in all the lies.
It's just like the Duke University Rape Case. The 24 hour news cycle explodes, and reports every last little hairbrained thing as "BREAKING NEWS", so we get absolutely no news about anything else. The worst part is, just like with the Duke case, if Zimmerman is found innocent, the news won't really care. They'll mention it briefly and just move on to the next inane story. So the public will remember the whole trial and all the nonsense, but none of them will remember that Zimmerman turned out to be innocent. So his life is effectively over regardless of whether he's found guilty or not.
We desperately need stricter legislation on what journalists are allowed to report on when it comes to local court cases.
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On March 31 2012 10:48 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 10:35 Infernal_dream wrote:
I live in downtown Sanford where all of these rallies and marches and things are happening. Al Sharpton was literally right across the street from my house at a rally. I honestly haven't been following this much because other more important things fill my life versus paying attention to two people who I'll never meet or care about. I will say however I absolutely CANNOT wait for this shit to be over. One night after one of these "rallies" these same people that say Trayvon is innocent stole my motorcycle from in front of my house. I honestly couldn't care less if Zimmerman goes to jail or not but the way EVERYONE on both sides of the fence are acting towards this is just insane. Nobody will ever know the whole story because 1/2 the story is dead. No one will know because the media has muddied the whole story so much, the truth is buried in all the lies. It's just like the Duke University Rape Case. The 24 hour news cycle explodes, and reports every last little hairbrained thing as "BREAKING NEWS", so we get absolutely no news about anything else. The worst part is, just like with the Duke case, if Zimmerman is found innocent, the news won't really care. They'll mention it briefly and just move on to the next inane story. So the public will remember the whole trial and all the nonsense, but none of them will remember that Zimmerman turned out to be innocent. So his life is effectively over regardless of whether he's found guilty or not. We desperately need stricter legislation on what journalists are allowed to report on when it comes to local court cases.
whats even worse is that the people (politicians, celebrities) touting this as a huge civil rights issue will just go on about their daily lives if it is determined zimmerman is innocent. there will be no repercussions. their images will not be changed. it will be like it never happened.
then, there is the fact that because the media, rallies, etc. are making such a huge deal about how zimmerman is guilty that if it is determined no charges should be brought, or if he is acquitted by a jury, people will likely riot. even if zimmerman is found guilty, its likely that he wont get very much time since he has no real criminal history. what do you think the people will do when he only gets 5-10 years (or something similar)? they won't be saying justice is served; i'll guarantee that.
this whole situation is getting out of control, and nobody seems to want to control it at all for fear that they'll be accused of being pro-zimmerman/pro-racism/etc.
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On March 31 2012 11:07 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 10:48 Millitron wrote:On March 31 2012 10:35 Infernal_dream wrote:
I live in downtown Sanford where all of these rallies and marches and things are happening. Al Sharpton was literally right across the street from my house at a rally. I honestly haven't been following this much because other more important things fill my life versus paying attention to two people who I'll never meet or care about. I will say however I absolutely CANNOT wait for this shit to be over. One night after one of these "rallies" these same people that say Trayvon is innocent stole my motorcycle from in front of my house. I honestly couldn't care less if Zimmerman goes to jail or not but the way EVERYONE on both sides of the fence are acting towards this is just insane. Nobody will ever know the whole story because 1/2 the story is dead. No one will know because the media has muddied the whole story so much, the truth is buried in all the lies. It's just like the Duke University Rape Case. The 24 hour news cycle explodes, and reports every last little hairbrained thing as "BREAKING NEWS", so we get absolutely no news about anything else. The worst part is, just like with the Duke case, if Zimmerman is found innocent, the news won't really care. They'll mention it briefly and just move on to the next inane story. So the public will remember the whole trial and all the nonsense, but none of them will remember that Zimmerman turned out to be innocent. So his life is effectively over regardless of whether he's found guilty or not. We desperately need stricter legislation on what journalists are allowed to report on when it comes to local court cases. whats even worse is that the people (politicians, celebrities) touting this as a huge civil rights issue will just go on about their daily lives if it is determined zimmerman is innocent. there will be no repercussions. their images will not be changed. it will be like it never happened. then, there is the fact that because the media, rallies, etc. are making such a huge deal about how zimmerman is guilty that if it is determined no charges should be brought, or if he is acquitted by a jury, people will likely riot. even if zimmerman is found guilty, its likely that he wont get very much time since he has no real criminal history. what do you think the people will do when he only gets 5-10 years (or something similar)? they won't be saying justice is served; i'll guarantee that. this whole situation is getting out of control, and nobody seems to want to control it at all for fear that they'll be accused of being pro-zimmerman/pro-racism/etc.
Indeed. My brother works at a pizza shop down the road and they closed the bathrooms because of how many people were coming in to use them. Everyone was taking pictures of the signs saying the bathrooms are closed and calling the owner racist, and the shop should be burned, and many other extremist things. The owner is Venezualuan (spelling?) and has lived here for almost 10 years. I really don't see a good way for this to end. Shows true human nature though, you can turn anything into racism or any other negative light if you really want to.
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look at this bullshit with Al Sharpton (referencing the Duke Lacrosse case). he is not even apologetic.
O'REILLY: So you didn't go down, Jackson did go down. I don't want what happened to Amadou Diallo, remember Amadou Diallo.
SHARPTON: Oh, absolutely.
O'REILLY: He was the African immigrant who was shot by police, shot dead here in New York and there were demonstrations. You were out there demonstrating and all that. And then when the trial came, the jury, which included African-Americans said not guilty.
SHARPTON: No, you jumped too far. They moved the trial out of town.
O'REILLY: Doesn't matter.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192277,00.html
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