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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On May 08 2012 03:52 darkness wrote: I'm not sure if Europe is going through the right path. Socialist and radical parties are increasing their influence these days. :/ The other path is darkness. Aka right extremism. Your vote, your choice ! | ||
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
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noD
2230 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
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SiroKO
France721 Posts
Please, keep on expressing your true selves, you are showing to our international audience on whose side hate and extremist certitudes really are. On May 07 2012 16:23 Macpo wrote: It hurts too see different people right? But guess what, they have the right to vote, they are French citizens and are very welcome in France (much more than you, actually,who do not respect French political principles of equality and fraternity); On May 07 2012 08:02 Otolia wrote: Don't play the victim here because your post reeks of misinformation and contempt. You have obviously been brought up in the fear of socialism even though you don't understand what it means nowadays. On May 07 2012 18:05 Macpo wrote: Well, they still voted for a racist party, [...] Let also note that Marine Le Pen recently went to a neo nazi celebration in Austria. [...] I am not sure what it means to be "bad"; but at least, we have to keep in mind that they are racist and authoritarian. On May 07 2012 18:31 Biff The Understudy wrote: The fact that people still doubt that Le Pen and the FN are racist really puzzles me. I don't know if it is better to blame ignorance? Saying that our civilization is superior is racist. [...] There is no debate anymore. Le Pen says immigration is a problem against all evidences, since it is proven immigration is a chance On May 07 2012 18:34 Macpo wrote: Of course, people are still hiding a bit, and Marine Le Pen is clever enough to not say openly their whole politics; but the inherent, semi-hidden, powerful feeling is there: foreigners are the problem, On May 07 2012 20:38 Macpo wrote: [...] About hallal food, I am just saying it's a ridiculously unimportant issue, which has become important only because many French are getting racist. [...] On May 07 2012 21:16 Macpo wrote: [...] Well I didn't even call anyone nazi. I didn't even use the word. But apparently, being honest is too much of requirement for you. Of course, it's a typical rhetoric strategy to exagerate one's claim to make it easier to answer. As for racists, I didn't call everyone racist [...] On May 07 2012 21:29 MilesTeg wrote: But this whole immigration issue is just a massive paranoia, an irrational fear present in sick frustrated people who want to blame their own shortcomings on people who are different. If people were rational it would be a non issue really. On May 08 2012 00:39 Nyarly wrote: You're full of shit, I'm so glad you lost :D [...] Eat it, loser :D On May 08 2012 03:07 WhiteDog wrote: Most of the thing you are saying are either wrong, uninformed or plain stupid (poor people are poor because they didn't do anything against it? really?). Having lefties friends doesn't mean a thing. Hollande is not a lefty by the way, just a socialist, which mean basically centrist or liberal. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
Do people even pay attention? | ||
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noD
2230 Posts
- Europe spends more money than it earns (health, retirement, salaries, doesnt matter) -The austerity plan is supposed to make they spend less money (be it with older people retiring or lesser salaries) -The average joe doesnt want that even if their children will pay the price and be in a really disastrous situation Can someone from europe answer if that is correct or i missed something ? | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On May 08 2012 04:14 Phenny wrote: I'd say the other path is freedom. I'd say most of Europe does not agree with your definition of freedom. | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On May 08 2012 03:52 darkness wrote: I'm not sure if Europe is going through the right path. Socialist and radical parties are increasing their influence these days. :/ The whole world is in a wrong path for many years now, we need radical change towards a whole new system imo. Crysis make people too scared, everyone wants to guarantee whats theirs and then gtfo. The "if my country is fine, all is fine" mentality must stop. Who will clean this mess if everyone is looking only after themselves? | ||
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Kahlgar
411 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On May 08 2012 04:14 noD wrote: Seeing from another continent perspective people in france want to all-in so they either escape the crysis or they sink so deep that there wont be return is it pretty much it ? Please, learn a little bit of real economy, then come again... On May 08 2012 04:47 Kahlgar wrote: This thread is fairly funny given that the actual differences between Sarkozy and Hollande are mostly superficial and that it won't matter when it comes to the great majority of the important issues (mostly because it's not up to our governement anyway). Hollande is different from Sarkozy in economic matter because he is for a conjonctural intervention of the state in the economy to fight the economical crisis (which means a complete rework of European's rules) while sarkozy (and most european countries) are for structural intervention. This is actually quite big. Also Hollande is a for a complete rework of our tax system, which is not a bad thing. | ||
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Kahlgar
411 Posts
On May 08 2012 04:48 WhiteDog wrote: Please, learn a little bit of real economy, then come again... Hollande is different from Sarkozy in economic matter because he is for a conjonctural intervention of the state in the economy to fight the economical crisis (which means a complete rework of European's rules) while sarkozy (and most european countries) are for structural intervention. This is actually quite big. Also Hollande is a for a complete rework of our tax system, which is not a bad thing. yeah but reworking the europeans rules is not something Hollande can actually pull off on his own, he will just get a few minor things adjusted at best. As for the tax system, it's a lot of work and even if it turns out great (which is possible), it won't impact the french economy in that a meaningful way compared to how the international markets are doing. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On May 08 2012 04:57 Kahlgar wrote: btw i don't think most americans realize that socialists in France are pretty much democrats in the USA, they are by no means a radical movement, it is legitimate to be concerned about the far right getting close to 20% but being concerned about the socialists is hilarious. yeah but reworking the europeans rules is not something Hollande can actually pull off on his own, he will just get a few minor things adjusted at best. As for the tax system, it's a lot of work and even if it turns out great (which is possible), it won't impact the french economy in that a meaningful way compared to how the international markets are doing. Yep I totally agree with you, but it's still a walk towards the good imo, it's incredible to think how impotant the Europe is. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On May 08 2012 04:41 noD wrote: The way it's presented to the rest of the world is : - Europe spends more money than it earns (health, retirement, salaries, doesnt matter) -The austerity plan is supposed to make they spend less money (be it with older people retiring or lesser salaries) -The average joe doesnt want that even if their children will pay the price and be in a really disastrous situation Can someone from europe answer if that is correct or i missed something ? Yea that's a decent summary. That's pretty much like in the US i guess. | ||
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Geiko
France1939 Posts
Hollande has been elected and as President, deserves our respect. Sarkozy is retiring from politics, he deserves all our respect for having lead France bravely throughout this crisis for the past 5 years. No need for anymore insults and hate on these two. I'll take this occasion to officially retire from my job as "porte parole" of Sarkozy on TL.net, and will leave you with these words "au revoir" | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On May 08 2012 04:32 koreasilver wrote: lol how is the left increasing their influence in Europe when the past several years has seen the rise of the right in general? Do people even pay attention? Greece? France? Bulgaria (between 2001-2009)? I think it's just the beginning. We'll see. | ||
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accela
Greece314 Posts
On May 08 2012 04:41 noD wrote: The way it's presented to the rest of the world is : - Europe spends more money than it earns (health, retirement, salaries, doesnt matter) -The austerity plan is supposed to make they spend less money (be it with older people retiring or lesser salaries) -The average joe doesnt want that even if their children will pay the price and be in a really disastrous situation Can someone from europe answer if that is correct or i missed something ? Well yes this is how major media communicate the crisis even inside eu and it has really nothing to do with the reality. | ||
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
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SiroKO
France721 Posts
On May 08 2012 06:31 Geiko wrote: Hollande has been elected and as President, deserves our respect. Amen ![[image loading]](http://www.rue89.com/sites/news/files/assets/image/2012/05/0705-bastille-drapeaux-algeriens.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.leprogres.fr/fr/images/3A6DE944-F775-45ED-946C-736A5A08DDFE/LPR_03/elus-du-fn-et-de-l-ump-se-sont-offusques-de-la-presence-de-drapeaux-etrangers-lors-du-rassemblement.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://23.pcf.fr/sites/default/files/imagecache/image/arton4847.jpg1275037456) It's so funny and obscene, almost satanical ;D | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On May 08 2012 04:14 Phenny wrote: I'd say the other path is freedom. The far right is freedom how? | ||
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